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RS Went Out of Her Way to Give Hades an Oedipus Complex.
Something struck me as odd when I saw images of LO’s pilot.
This was Rhea’s original design; she had galaxy skin like Kronos.
When Lore Olympus became a WEBTOON original, her design changed, which I honestly consider a good thing. Rhea was always associated with nature as opposed to space. So, did RS give her a more rustic design? Did she get her signature turret crown, or maybe a lion motif?
Nope.
Rhea, (who is described as an EARTH titaness within Lore Olympus itself) was redesigned…to be a pink Persephone clone.
And this isn’t a case where you can argue “oh, well everyone is a Persephone clone cuz same face syndrome, it doesn’t mean anything in-universe!!,” because in the comic, Persephone was established to be a canonical Rhea lookalike when Helios mistook a description of Persephone for a description of Rhea.
They have fundamentally identical designs, and both RS and the narrative know it.
On top of this, Hades describes both Rhea & Persephone to be very kind (and otherwise just similar personality-wise). So, um…Hades basically married a fun-sized version of his long-lost mom.
Which makes this line all the more disturbing.
Hades is interested in Persephone being titan-sized, and I feel like it isn’t a stretch to say this is a sexual thing. The fandom treats it as a haha funny joke, like “aw Hades has a giantess fetish lol 🤪” but I feel like everyone’s ignoring the fact that giant Persephone would look exactly like a pale Rhea clone. It’s not rocket science; large Persephone is basically just Rhea.
And Hades wants to see this….for fetish reasons?
RS knows what she’s doing. She deliberately redesigned Rhea to be pink (when she is canonically an EARTH titaness, and would’ve benefited far more from being a shade of green or brown). She went out of her way to create both physical and personality parallels to Persephone and Rhea, even having a character confuse a description of Persephone for Rhea. She threw in implications that Hades has a giantess fetish, meaning he’d be sexually attracted to Persephone when she’d look exactly like his mom. She made all these story decisions…to give Hades an Oedipus complex. There’s no classy way to put it; RS made Hades fall in love with a clone of his dead fucking mom.
You can’t even argue “oh, well, it’s Greek mythology!” because, correct me if I’m wrong, but Hades wanting to fuck his mom was nowhere in the original myths. Plus, RS has taken measures to remove incest from her story. Persephone is not related to Rhea in Lore Olympus, there is no reason she should look this much like her. This serves no narrative purpose, RS did it for shits and giggles, and it only makes Hades look like 10x more of a creep.
I’ll end this post with a little spot-the-difference between Rhea & Perse. To make matters worse, this is arguably the most Rhea-like Persephone has looked…and it was in Hades’ dream. So, uh, do with that as you will.
#anti lore olympus#anti lo#lo critical#lore olympus criticism#lore olympus critical#lore olympus discussion#lore olympus hades#lore olympus persephone#lore olympus rhea#this was a bitch to format
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So, I noticed a little parallel...
#lore Olympus episode 84#lore Olympus episode 200#anya rambles#lore Olympus#lore olympus discussion#lore olympus#lo zeus#lo kronos#lo persephone#lo hades#lore olympus persephone#lore olympus zeus#lore olympus kronos#lore olympus fandom#lo spoilers#lore olympus spoilers#spoiler alert
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On today's episode of "Rachel exaggerates things to make herself sound cooler-"
Soooo this is a lie.
No seriously, this has to be a lie. I don't make these kinds of accusations willy-nilly. This has to be a lie.
First of all, if her file sizes are truly 11GB for each episode, that would mean her file resolutions would have to be stupid high, and I just ain't buying that when so much of her art comes out looking like fried chicken.
But again, look at the backgrounds. Crystal clear. Which supports my theory that Rachel has her assistants draw the characters flat and exports them as PNG's so that she (or another one of her assistants) can slap the backgrounds in afterwards which is why when they pinch and zoom, the backgrounds look fine (as they're added in afterwards) and the characters look like they've been drawn with chalk. The shading itself isn't deep fried though, which is, again, because Rachel adds in the shading in post after her assistants have sent her all the flats.
Anyways, moving on from that, if her file sizes are actually 11GB per episode, that would mean her resolution would have to be STUPID high and that would mean there's no excuse for panels to look like this. This is not a Webtoons compression problem, Webtoons does compress images for you if you don't do it yourself but they don't result in specifically deep fried textures like this, that's ALL happening on Rachel's side. If it were a Webtoons' problem, the entire comic would look like that, not just select panels.
This is also what the panels tend to look like in book form. The book art is clearly very compressed and blurred from being too low of a resolution for print, which means either the editor is not being provided the root files, or the root files weren't ever that crisp to begin with. Either one is plausible and either one isn't good.
But of course, I'm not going to make these claims without my own proof. So here's the file sizes for Episode 12 of Rekindled, the longest episode in the series so far by panel count and page length, clocking in at 42 panels and an average of 25 layers per page (and that's including the text layers which adds a good chunk on its own, the actual art layers are like, half of that).
Also, here's what a pinch and zoom panel in Rekindled comes out looking like:
You can still pick up on some fuzziness, but the lineart doesn't look straight up chunky like it does in LO.
Meanwhile, one of my longest episodes of TIME GATE: [AFTERBIRTH] has a file size that honestly shocked me with how small it was.
Guess how many panels that episode had?
Go on, guess. Take a second. Compare it to the file size of Episode 12 of Rekindled, take your best educated guess. Time Gate: [AFTERBIRTH] is also a full color webtoon with full shading and rendering that I used to upload once a week. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Ninety-seven.
Ninety. Seven.
Not only is that more panels than what LO dishes out on a weekly basis, but its overall file size doesn't even come out to be 10% of what Rachel is claiming LO's file sizes to be.
This is what Time Gate: [AFTERBIRTH] looks like, by the way:
(don't mind the blurriness that's working against my point, that's Tumblr, not me LMAO)
But, let's face it, I didn't want to just use my own examples as a comparison, because that seems unfair. I'm not an Originals creator, I just put myself under similar pressures as one because I'm an idiot who tries too hard.
So I asked one of my Originals pals. I will not disclose their name, but they are someone who works for Webtoons Originals and has similar panel requirements and deadlines. They also work with a similar flatting + shade workflow as LO, they have cel-shaded colors and bold flat coloring.
When I asked them how big their file sizes were, they said that at 2500px width - similar to what I draw at, 2400px width - and 200-300k pixel length (again, they're drawing an entire episode on one canvas) their episode file sizes come out to roughly one gigabyte, very rarely much bigger than that.
Rachel is full of shit. This is some Tommy Tallarico level shit, exaggerating stupid things that don't matter to try and make herself seem impressive. It isn't impressive. It makes her look like an unorganized dunderhead at best, and at worst, makes her look like a flat out liar who needs to prop herself up on the dumbest shit to make herself look good. File gigabyte size isn't impressive or indicative of anything, you can achieve high quality art without your file size amounting to 11 GB, and let's face it, Lore Olympus is not high quality art. You're telling me art like this:
amounts to 11 GB?
Now the only way I can see this happening is if maybe, maybe she had like, a bajillion layers full of garbage-
Oh. Oh no. Lore Olympus. Is a sprite comic.*
(*edit for clarification: I've had people confused over what I mean by sprite comic because LO clearly isn't made with 16/8 bit sprites. Sprite comic was a term universally used back in the day for comics that reused the same body parts, heads, expressions, etc. much like how sprites are designed, often keeping an entire file full of different layers made up of these assets to make for easier development. This technique was utilized in comics like CTRL + ALT + DEL. LO is definitely not literally a sprite comic but the way its layers are designed feel very much like something that's being cobbled together like 'sprite' comics were. I'm old.)
Even with these pics for proof, with 600+ layers on one canvas, if there's barely anything on those layers, then it still wouldn't make up that 11GB file size because the amount of layers doesn't necessarily add to file size on its own, at least not by that much, unless they're actually filled with stuff. And again, Rachel's art in LO doesn't scream "highly detailed with many layers". It only had many layers because for some reason she insists on working that way even to its own detriment.
From the looks of it, Rachel's importing all of her assistants' PNG's as separate layers and adding all the shading and the extra details on their own separate layers and basically dividing everything up into tiny bite sized pieces. That's the only clear explanation I can come up with. But if so, that means she's being INCREDIBLY inefficient with her workflow that it's amounting to SIX HUNDRED+ LAYERS AT 11 GB PER EPISODE. THAT IS ABSURD. THIS COMIC IS WAY TOO LOW QUALITY TO JUSTIFY THESE FILE SIZES AND LAYER COUNTS. RACHEL DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK SHE'S DOING-
She's also very clearly using the cloud as a way to backup her work and work with her assistants. God knows how much she's spending on cloud space because of her own incompetency.
Honestly, at this point, as I sit here playing the Photoshop equivalent of Cookie Clicker, clicking the 'new layer' button over and over and over again with my mouse to truly understand what it would feel like to operate at 600+ layers per episode of a webtoon, I'm more inclined to believe she's just lying. Capping. Pulling shit out of her ass. Straight up making shit up. It wouldn't be the first time she's done that. But also because the alternative is a lot more grim - the #1 best selling webtoon on the platform is being operated like the world's worst group project and still coming out on the other side looking like deep fried garbage despite its stupid high file size.
#hoo boy i wasn't expecting to write an essay today#but i got tagged in this discussion in ULO#my 10+ years of being a deadbeat washed up webcomic creator with zero street cred finally pay off#lore olympus critical#lo critical#antiloreolympus#anti lore olympus
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Sisterly Talk
#lore olympus#lo demeter#lo hera#lo hestia#finally they're together and talking#it was about time ro discuss their mother issues and wow is it a lot
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I have this “ i can fix him” complex about media where if something is outstandingly good i enjoy it but it leaves my mind almost inmediatly. however, if something sucks so bad where consuming it satiates the same morbid curiosity as watching a carcrash its gonna stay in my mind forever, and thus it makes sense i went “ i can fix him” for an “ i can fix him” comic
#garyarts#fanart#anti lore olympus#this is not fanart however this is threatart#sorry for the girlies in the tag if this is most#ly for discussion but i dont wanna deal with insane people in the main tags
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Loneliness: Parallels
Now I’m sure someone’s already pointed out these parallels but…
So Hades not wanting to be alone after the war (and being imprisoned inside his father for so long prior to that), tells Zeus he doesn’t want to be alone 🥺
But also Tartarus seems to not want that either…
Stupid, sad thought, but could Hades’ time limit away from the Underworld and Persephone’s future half a year in the Underworld reflect the fact that Tartarus doesn’t want to be lonely either? Maybe I’m reading too far into things?
I dunno y’all we’re sad here today😭
#lore olympus#lo persephone#my post#lore olympus theory#lo theory#lo hades#lore olympus hades#lore olympus persephone#lore olympus spoilers#hades lore olympus#lo discussion
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If u have to make up everything u like about it what’s the point
#this isn’t even about Batman this is about DP 😭#and smth else I forgot#but I remember dp gets a biiiiit more leeway bc like.#kids show more unlocked potential shit they won’t broach or discuss that u can theorize on yknow?#OH this was mainly about lore Olympus. sad.#unrelated to what I’m reading I just had that on my mind and forgot to say it 💔
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a discussion on greek mythology and its modern adaptations || importance of sex and wrath in mythology
okay before i get into this a couple of things:
this is more of a rant/tangent style post and is just something I thought I would talk about in regards to a major interest of mine. If you dont agree with some of the things I say or reference, thats okay! again this is my perspective on the issue but I do think it adds insight to many communities involved in adaptations of mythology.
this talk involves discussions of sexual assault and uses the word rape and dissects the word in regards to its original meaning, if you are not in the headspace to read stories or read the word, please come back later or do not read.
this talk also focuses on the harsh treatment of women in mythology, and same warning as before click off if you wish
okay now that youve been fully warned, lets get into it.
as someone who reads Lore Olympus(i know! blasphemy) i will say that there are a lot of controversial themes or storylines that do not sit right with me. If you know the series you probably know that I am talking about the storyline between Persephone and Apollo. This is not a defense of it at all, however I am also not fully condemning it.
First, I want to look at Greek Mythology as a whole. To make it clear, not all myths are told the same. A good majority of mythology has been passed down through word of mouth or paintings or any other art form and will have inconsistencies or changes. Mythology as a whole is a tool used to explain human nature, the universe through the eyes of a certain group, and hierarchy systems along with many other things. Mythology and their stories are also used for morality based subjects. What I mean by this is that these stories are meant to teach a lesson or a type of behavior. This is typically why you will see inconsistencies between the retelling of myths. To use a very popular example of this, the myth of Hades and Persephone varies, but still have their own messages attached. For example, the myth where Hades forcibly kidnaps Persephone and highlights Demeter's determination to get her daughter back is a story about how a mother's love conquers all and how that love made her continue on her quest. However, in another telling where Persephone willingly enters the underworld and marries Hades, the story is about breaking free from authority and gaining back your own control. Again, myths vary depending on what message they want to send to their audiences.
Now I want to look at the gods and their behaviors throughout mythology. I know that everyone is tired of the 'Zeus fucks everything' joke but it is important to note it. Specifically, in the Greek mythos, Gods are the reason many things exist. Or at least are involved in some way in that process. This is why sex and wrath are important jumping-off points in creation mythology. Uranus(or the night sky) was born from Gaea, and then produced the Titans. Because of his hateful nature Uranus had his children imprisoned, until his son Cronus(time) castrated him and dispersed his remains. From this, he created Aphrodite, the goddess of love and beauty. The cycle of sex and wrath is seen time and time again through these myths, and unfortunately the combination of these two is also very commonly seen in mythology.
//Tw SA (i am speaking about this topic from a mythological perspective, but also adding in modern day views of it)
Sexual assault is unfortunately very common place in Greek Mythology. Zeus is typically the mastermind behind these plots, however other Gods are also involved in it as well. The story of Medusa is another myth with many different iterations, however I want to look at the version that falls in line when her name which means "protect, rule" or "guardian". In this myth, Poseidon being jealous of Athena decides to rape Medusa, a servant to Athena, on the steps of her temple. This is again where wrath comes back into play. Athena, being infuriated by the violation of her temple, curses Medusa to become a gorgon. Depending on the interpretation, this 'curse' can also be seen as a gift of protection under the guise of punishment. Most of these horrific acts done by the Gods can be seen as being caused by their own or an outsider's wrath. I do also want to note that the word 'rape' meant something slightly different. Rape used to be defined as "to seize or abduct; carry off by force" as well as our modern definition to it. While in cases like Medusa or anything to do with Zeus really, we understand these cases do mean sexually assalt. Here is where I want to talk about Persephone.
The myth of Hades and Persephone goes by many different names, however one that can be seen around is “The Rape of Persephone”. While in some myths, authors have concluded that Hades may have assaulted persephone, the rape that is being refered to here is abduction. The Rape of Proserpina is the title of a popular sculpture created by Italian artist Gian Lorenzo Bernini between the years of 1621 and 1622. While this statue is about the Roman counterparts of Hades and Persephone, Pluto and Proserpina, the Romans basically stole the Greeks mythos and changed the names slightly. While it is more complex than that, the stories are the same if not similar, which is why I am bringing this statue up. The statue depicts Persephone, being held up by Hades, with her arms and legs in motion kicking away from him. Her expression is fearful and terrified. Hades is joyful and excited. He doesn't look hateful. Why is that? One way to explain it off is the lighting or the fact it's a statue, or that art and its meaning differs from person to person. However, I'm me and I'm very annoying so I'm going to go deeper into this by looking back on a different spin of their myth. While Hades did fall deeply in love with Persephone and was given permission from Zeus to kidnap her, another telling of the story from the Roman perspective sheds more light on the situation. According to a section from Metamorphosis, Aphrodite was wronged by the Gods and wanted to enact revenge. She elected her son Cupid or Eros to shoot Hades with an arrow of love, which would cause him to become infatuated with the Goddess of Spring. It appears wrath is commonplace amongst all the Gods.
I know that I am bouncing all over the place, but stay with me. I now want to talk about Apollo and his connection to all of this. To reference back to Lore Olympus, Apollo in the series plays the role as the story's main antagonist. In the series, he sexually assaults Persephone. Now before I continue, I would like to say that using Apollo in this way is a gross misrepresentation of his mythology and Persephones. In actual Greek mythology, Apollo is a candidate to be married to Persephone. It is even cited that the God of the Sun and Music stated that he was in love with her. Granted this is mythology, and different versions of the story do appear with Apollo involved or not. Even though the series did not capture the true interaction between Persephone and Apollo, he is not free from the nature of his older counterparts. The myth of Apollo and Daphne shows this plainly. In this myth, Apollo falls in love with a nymph named Daphne who is the daughter of Peneus the River God. However, Aphrodite and Eros become involved again. While Eros shoots Apollo with a love arrow, he also shoots Daphne with one full of hate. This causes Apollo to constantly chase after Daphne, even though she has no romantic interest in him at all. While evading him during a chase, she calls out to her father to help her. To save his daughter, he answers her pleas and turns her into a tree right before Apollo catches her. While this very condensed retelling of the events that took place may not seem like Apollo was going to assault Daphne, it is heavily implied. Because of his infatuation from the arrow, his emotions towards her include not only romantic but also sexual attraction. From patterns we have seen from Gods such as Zeus and also Aphrodite, its only common sense to believe that Apollo was going to rape Daphne if he caught her. Even though Apollo did not sexually assault Persephone, Gods in themselves are selfish and narsasistic, and will take whatever they see as rightfully theirs. It's in their mythological nature.
Even with the background of Apollo falling in the trend of Gods taking advantage of beings deemed ‘lesser’ than them, one could argue the cycle of sexual assault of women is still problematic and that the modern adaptations of these stories diminish what happened to these women. Which to an extent, I agree. However, I do think it's also important to look at the society that these myths were circulating around. The Greeks and Romans were a dominantly patriarchal society and women were given few rights compared to men. While some Greek city states differed and there were a few acceptions, thats all they were, acceptions. Because of this role of women in society, it is not hard to believe that women were treated this way as if it is commonplace. When looking at greek goddesses, this narrative heavily tracks. Even though they are powerful and in their own right bring more fear into the hearts of men compared to their counterparts, they are treated with malice and violence. These goddesses are sexually assaulted, pushed to the side, or diminished simply because of their gender and this is not an accident. A powerful female figure is terrifying to men, specifically men seeking power, which is why these events could have happened to them in myths. These goddesses are portrayed to have envy, anger, disgust, remorse, sadness, alongside a lot of other emotions. They portray human emotions.
I know I know, youre gonna say to me ‘Wrena/Kore, seriously? Now we're talking about humanity? In comparison to Gods?” Yes, but there is an important distinction in this mythology. Mythology is human created. While it does portray all-powerful gods and mighty heroes, it's still human. However, this tends to split from Greek and Roman mythology. Remember when I said the Romans stole the Greeks myths and just switched around the names, well they did do that! But they also took some of the humanity out of the Gods. Greek mythology is known for being very human, having a moral in its stories. While Roman mythology also has a story, the Gods are more like objects, representing their roles and being all-mighty hammers of justice for the 'greater good'. Greek and Roman tellings of mythos can get interchanged or swapped due to how long ago these myths were and how similar they were. This is why mythology is so complicated, you either have an overload of information or not enough. Some events are the same, some contradict each other. This is why mythology is a wonderful source of stories. They tell a different version based on what that individual or society needs at that moment.
To get slightly more personal and not just throw facts or hypotheses at you, when I was little I was told the story of Hades and Persephone. My grandmother told me the version of Persephone being kidnapped by Hades, but falling in love and choosing to stay on her own accord. When I got older, I learned about the other version. I was upset and distraught at this revelation. I thought my grandma was trying to spin a story about stockholm syndrome to get me to accept the patriarchal society we live in. I was pissed. Now that Im older, I realize that wasnt the message she was trying to tell me. What she wanted to say in the story is that even though people will try to control me or take control away from me, dont. Take back the reins and never let someone decide my life for me. Each version of different myths have their own meanings and interpretations, and all are correct.
Unfortunately, that also means all of the bad ones are correct as well. Lets loop back on over to Persephone. Persephone in her myths has been sexually assaulted. Even though Apollo was not the one doing the act, its still stated that it happened. In the creation myth of Zagreus, Zeus sexually assaulted Persephone(his daughter) while she was unconscious. It's fucking despicable and awful to read. But Zeus is gross and that does not diminish the fact that she was in fact sexually assaulted. Wether people like it or not, it's apart of her mythos. Or at least a version. You see, the ‘romanticization’ of mythology is more of a modern trend. Taking old greek myths and modernizing them to make it seem like everything is not terrible is a common trend in writing. However, this attitude is harmful to mythology as a whole. While the modernization of greek myths does leave out some of the awful parts of the stories or ignores them, like incest or graphic violence, it still serves a purpose. While some reasons for re-vamping them could be interest or purely for entertainment sake, some try to stick with a moral messaging. Lore Olympus, while ignoring or misconstruing some of the more graphic details, still has an important story behind it. Persephone being assaulted in that story is a representation of modern day rape victims. She’s scared to tell anyone and terrified of the person who did it to her. When she does finally tell people, she is met with support and comfort. This is the narrative that survivors need today. Support, love, a safe space. Humans are always trying to relate to each other, or see themselves in the things they consume. And mythology is one of those things we just cant help but insert a piece of ourselves into. Mythology changes and shifts with individual needs, and it is all up to the individual and their needs. All versions are right.
TLDR: While I dont like the storyline between Apollo and Persephone in Lore Olympus, it does serve a purpose and reflects on Persephone's mythology without creating a culture shock for modern audiences. Wrath and sex are the two most important themes in greek mythology, and more than often combine in an unsavory way. Mythology has many different versions of its stories, and each version has their purpose. All of those stories are correct depending on the society and individual. Again, you can enjoy an adaptation of mythology while recognizing that there will be inaccuracies and changes you don't like. You can also enjoy traditional mythology while recognizing the values and morals portrayed are from an ancient society with a different view on the world.
heres some links to articles that were insightful into this topic, i recommend checking them out if you want:
#rant#greek mythology#lore olympus#hades#persephone#apollo#mythology#silly little rant go brr#tw: sa#tw: abuse#anyways#please dont send me negative shit#unless its apart of a discussion and healthy#just dont be a prick and were good
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reviving my youtube career, starting with a short vid on Lore Olympus
everyone and their momma has done a critique of LO so i decided to talk about the discussion around it
(subscribe if you might like stuff about character design and storytelling lol)
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Zeus’ Age During The Titanomachy?
This has gotta be worse than LO’s Trojan War continuity.
We know that Hades was canonically consumed by Kronos when he was six, and would be freed by Zeus thirteen years later, making him between the ages of nineteen and twenty-nine during the Titanomachy.
However, this calls both Poseidon & Zeus’ ages into question.
Rhea gave no indication in any of Hades’ flashbacks that Poseidon had already been born. Considering her kind nature, you’d think if Poseidon existed prior to the swallowing of Hades, the brothers would’ve interacted, as from a logical standpoint, raising them separately is strange and inconvenient. We also know that the two had no idea about each other’s existence before Zeus freed them, so I think it’s safe to say Poseidon was born after Kronos consumed Hades.
This claim is even supported by Poseidon’s wiki article.
But that would make Poseidon thirteen (at most) when the Titanomachy started.
Which brings into question…
Just how old was Zeus???
His flashback made him look 17-18
But, uh,
If Poseidon is canonically six years younger than Hades, and Hades was nineteen when the Titanomachy started…that would make Zeus around twelve-years-old at most during this flashback.
Now, to be fair, I know in mythos, a lot of the gods age very fast, but there has been zero indication that any of the LO gods age at an abnormal rate.
In fact, we’ve even seen children forms of both Hades and Zeus, implying they aged at a normal pace (before their aging “stopped,” which is a piece of world-building LO never really elaborated on?)
And this raises an even bigger question: how old was Zeus when he began sleeping with Metis? Because he was only actually legal (by US standards) for (at most) four years of the Titanomachy.
And even if we give Metis the benefit of the doubt and say she did wait till he turned eighteen (like a creepy old man waiting for a celebrity to become legal to sexualize her), she still slept with a young adult she knew since he was a child.
So, um…Rachel has unintentionally made Metis a groomer (or, at least I hope it’s unintentional). Now we know where Hades learned it from, I guess?
Sounds like a certain someone here, *cough, cough, BLUE KINGPIN, cough* doesn’t she? Was Zeus “extremely charming,” or are you just attracted to teenagers? 🤦♂️
I get RS probably wanted to make Hades nineteen at the start of the Titanomachy in order to parallel Persephone, but by doing so, she disregarded the ages of the other brothers, now making Zeus’ entire story even more disturbing, considering a thousand-something-year-old “girlboss” deity basically groomed him when the fate of the entire world was resting on his underaged shoulders.
As if 229 didn’t already make this line fucked up enough…knowing that Zeus could literally not have been older than thirteen during this flashback, that meant Rhea was telling her adolescent son to go seduce a grown ass goddess…
It’s clear making Zeus so young was not Rachel’s intention…but it is certainly food for thought regarding Lore Olympus’ piss poor continuity & overall writing.
#anti lore olympus#anti lo#lore olympus critical#lo critical#lore olympus zeus#lore olympus metis#lore olympus discussion
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You know i stopped reading certain weebtoons after awhile because the writing wasn't good enough to suspend my disbelief after a certain point
#think about lore of olympus#or my deepest secret or maybe even the remarried empress#the last one has issues in not discussing
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Literally insane to me how small the general webtoon fandom is outside of the webtoon app itself (and maybe reddit??)
I've talked to multiple people irl who LOVE reading webtoon, but the online community is borderline threadbare ! Most people on Tumblr have no IDEA who our blorbos are! I've checked tags for some fairly popular webtoon and it was like visiting that Tatooine town in the Mandalorian where there are 5 citizens total, but only if you also count the Mayor, the sheriff, and the deputy.
Lore Olympus is the most popular webtoon and has under 2,000 fics on AO3. Lookism has roughly 1,000. Unordinary, THEE legacy webtoon, only has 600, and it's been running for almost 7 years now. It has nearly 6M subscribers and still gets 50K+ likes each week. It's not dead by any means.
I guess it doesn't help that each webtoon is its own micro ecosystem and once a webtoon ends, that ecosystem typically fades with it. But webtoons can go on runs longer than most shows on streaming services, and those fandoms burn hot and bright even if only for the first month of a new season drop.
By comparison, webtoon fans are largely casual about their enthusiasm, even if they're highly invested in the story or characters. From my experience, only the most passionate try to connect with other fans online. But when you're passionate about one webtoon, I suppose it's hard to show constant excitement about the 20+ other stories one might keep up with. Still, between the 85 million monthly readers, you'd think each major webtoon would at least have a dedicated fan base (meaning people who regularly post theories, thoughts, fics, and fanart) of mere thousands outside of the app.
One exception for this is that Batman webtoon? It actually trends on Tumblr every now and again. But it doesn't count, because Batman has a built in fandom who'll eat up and yell in the streets about any content where he's a decent dad.
People who read romance webtoon all tend to read the same comics, and actively understand the references to other popular romance comics (Trashta, Team Seojun, SLS), so you'd think there'd be a greater sense of unity. More people actively searching out others to discuss with and posting their thoughts online and not just in that webtoon's comment section.
I mean, C'MON girls!!! Millions of people log into that app like everyday!!! WHERE is the community?? WHERE is the fanart?? WHERE is the fanfic?? WHY does Odd Girl Out only have 7 fanfics?? WHY are there like 2 people on Twitter posting about Weak Hero?? Head in hands fr
#weak hero#odd girl out#true beauty#Lookism#mercenary enrollment#unordinary#surviving romance#marry my husband#cursed princess club#the remarried empress#jackson's diary#your throne#Lumine#after school lessons for unripe apples#Morgana and Oz#lore Olympus#down to earth#Eleceed#webtoon
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I've come to the stunning realization-
-that Lore Olympus is basically to the webtoons industry what Youtube Kids is to Youtube.
And I'm not talking about the general "Youtube Kids" label, I'm talking about those videos - Elsagate, Johny Johny, Cocomelon, Mickey Mouse tattooing Spongebob or whatever other weird example you can think of - which are explicitly designed to game the algorithm, turn views into money, and most of all, gain and keep the attention of the one demographic that won't question what they're consuming - children.
!!!!THIS POST HAS FAST PASS SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!
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I mean, this is undoubtedly just a tinfoil hat theory, but think about it:
Bright oversaturated colors that are attention-grabbing.
Meme faces and 'lol rAnDoM' humor even when it doesn't suit the situation at all.
Art that's all around ugly and cheap on a technical level but still stands out due to its color design and prioritized advertising.
Vapid surface level scene-to-scene writing that doesn't connect or have any meaning in any coherent way.
One-dimensional projection characters who are easy to manipulate and sway for audience sympathy or anger even if those opinions change on a dime based on actions in the moment.
Cliffhangers that are less like true cliffhangers and more like clickbait. Episodes nowadays tend to be filled with drawn out plotlines, vague hints that can be applied to just about any school of thought, and non-sequitur memes to fill the time until they can hook the reader with another cliffhanger to keep them coming back next week.
Coin prices have gone up but episode length, substance, and quality have noticeably gone down. Even if they reach the same panel count they usually have, dialogue is minimal and pacing is brutally inconsistent to the point that plot progression is often non-existent.
Banner ads that run constantly, often in the first or second (or both) slots, with push notifications and pop-up ads also becoming more frequent whether you're subscribed to the comic or not.
And underneath ALL of that, we've got blatant objectifying and sexualization of female characters regardless of context, misogyny that claims to be progressive, racist undertones, borderline fetish content that constantly toes the Terms of Services line, normalization of problematic/toxic relationship dynamics, a creator who's more interested in 'getting back' at critics than writing an actual story, and underlying messaging both from the characters' and the creator's behavior that encourage witch-hunting, rejection of accountability, and blind devotion.
All this is essentially why I've given up consuming LO entirely, beyond just on a critical level as of late. There was a time long ago when I stuck around in the hopes it was going to get better, that maybe it was just going through a "rough patch" as some stories do. After that I stuck around because I wanted to see how it could possibly pull off its ending. And then after that, I simply stuck around for the laughs and community banter. But now I don't even find it funny anymore, the punchline of how bad it is has gotten incredibly old. And at this rate, as much as we'd like to believe it's going to end in its third season as it's been mentioned in the past, we also were told it was going to end between 100-200 episodes prior to that - the way it's going, I can't even stick around "for the ending" because LO is going to be around for as long as WT tries to milk it, despite it no longer having a heartbeat.
As much as I've loved talking shit about this comic and it's undoubtedly the main reason so many of you followed me here in the first place, I'm not going to lock myself in some kind of purgatory hell just to be proven what I already know is going to happen - either the comic continues on forever, doomed to be a lifeless mascot for the zombie corporation that is WT, or RS eats shit while trying to stick the landing with a plane that has no functional parts.
There's a quote from Caddicarus that I couldn't help but think of as I typed this up, from his nearly-decade-old review of Dalmations 3 (oh god, it's nearly been a decade since that video came out what the actual fuck-)
"And this is where I officially lost all fucking care. I realized it wasn't going to end anytime soon. It's one of those rare instances where the novelty of how awful everything is actually gets really tiresome and unfunny." - Caddicarus
#this isn't me saying i'm not gonna talk about LO ever again#i'm just explaining why i haven't engaged with it directly for weeks now and why my LO essays are less often nowadays#i'm even slowly phasing out of the critical community for it#it's just exhausting#and bad for my mental health#i'd rather put my efforts into something positive like rekindled than continue to give this propaganda on a stick more attention#i still love all the pals in the community but it's more to do with the content itself that's being discussed than the people discussing it#lore olympus critical#anti lore olympus#antiloreolympus#lo critical
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Awww
#lore olympus#lo hades#lo persephone#this this this what i love about this couple#their conversations are always so personal and its so significant that they talk to one another of their struggles and vulnerabilities#it doesn't always happen but when they do discuss their issues its all the more meaningful that its with each other#they are to one another their own safe haven
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"People need to stop saying Lore Olympus is disrespectful to Apollo. Do yOu kNow WHat a ReTeLlinG iS?"
Literally Lore Olympus' comment section (and other places!):
And my personal favorite:
(and yes, apparently (cuz im not the one who took the screenshot) this was found under a LO discussion on Instagram)
#anti lo#anti lore olympus#anti rachel smythe#anti rs#apollo#apollon#apollo worship#greek mythology#hellenic polytheism#hellenic pagan#apollo devotee#greek myhts#greek myth#mythos
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Re-visiting Demeter and Persephone: A Complicated Affair
Spoilers for all of Lore Olympus
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I have a few posts on this blog discussing the complex relationship between Persephone and Demeter. I’ll make no bones about it, the Demeter slander was strong in my posts especially early on in the Webcomic.
But in light of the trial I feel that maybe all my assessments weren’t fair enough or balanced.
And I’m not exactly alone in the thought that Demeter wasn’t the best parent. Let’s just be clear, her most egregious actions won’t be excused here. I will instead be giving context to her actions and trying to understand them through the lens of a mother and a woman in light of her environment.
While Demeter isn’t spot on when it comes to why Zeus is targeting Persephone, as we see the actions he goes through to keep Persephone away from Apollo (while not punishing Apollo at all) is a testament to that.
I can understand why she would want to keep Persephone from Zeus on the principal of his other cruelties. As we see in chapters 192 and 96 among others Zeus has a habit of knocking up women and leaving them on Demeters doorstep. Implied to hide them from Hera but most likely for Demeter and the other nymphs to break the hard truth that Zeus won’t likely be returning for them or the resulting child.
With that in mind, keeping the young, inexperienced, and beautiful Persephone away from the womanizing, serial cheating, no boundaries detected Zeus is a practical move as a mother.
I’m my opinion, teaching her daughter about the dangers of men like Zeus would have been effective against this. But then again, when there are gods who can use their powers of manipulation like Apollo, who believe themselves above the word no and boundaries besides that. What training could work?
After all there there’s the further tragic context of episode 192. We see more in depth the aftermath of Zeus’ flings and empty promises, he moves on to a new fling or runs back to Hera leaving broken hearts and pregnant women in his wake.
Setting aside the fertility goddess aspect of all this, it makes practical sense as well.
The poster above is from Episode 83, and while it could definitely be a throwaway joke/gag it could also add more context to the world.
The flings of gods are so well known and have become an issue to the extent that this is a thing.
Am I reading too far into this? Yes probably, but still it says something about Zeus and gods like him
And in Episode 68 when Aphrodites line of “Nymphs don’t take gods from us” comes up. It all seems to cement this stigma further, that being with a nymph or certain kinds of nymphs would be highly frowned up relationship or marriage wise.
With all that being said, Persephone isn’t a nymph but the grand truth is that the gods likely have flings and leave the pregnant party holding the bag.
To Demeter maybe Persephone wanting to leave triggered flashbacks like the one above. Of nymphs who were left broken hearted, pregnant, and alone to grapple with the fact that Zeus was never going to return despite any hollow promises.
And in the mind of her mother, Persephone being a beautiful, trusting, sweet young goddess from the Mortal Realm with no street smarts could make her an easy target to predatory gods or other beings.
I think at some point we have to view our parents as people in their own right and at times it can be a harrowing but maturing experience. A lot of parents are awful people end of who don’t really warrant deeper understanding. While others may be more complicated depending.
The same maybe could be said for my earlier interpretations of Demeter, working with the available context at the time and her seemingly overprotective actions toward her daughter I passed the judgement that she was a toxic parent.
While I do think that a lot of her actions are unacceptable (isolating her daughter, withholding truths from her, not allowing her to find her own happiness, etc).
The added context helps give it more dimension.
Then there’s the Fertility Goddess side of all this. Demeter suspects that her daughter is a being that could be used as practically a weapon of war and taken advantage of.
The context we have are the three preceding FG (fertility goddesses):
1. Gaia, whether or not she willingly joined with Ouranos is not touched on but still it looks like a strange arrangement.
2. Rhea who likely had a good relationship with her husband Kronos until he lost his mind and began eating his kids to keep power.
3. Métis, Demeter, Hera, and Hestia’s beloved mother who was consumed (perhaps forcefully) by Zeus.
Like any other parent Demeters whole parenting ethos was to keep her child safe as well as she could as best as she could.
While no one lives on an island of their good intentions, and the fallout of what she’s done can’t be undone I hope that with Persephone maturing into a more secure and firm person, that they can talk in depth about their relationship as mother and daughter as well as two powerful goddesses.
#lore olympus#lo persephone#my post#lo apollo#lore olympus theory#lo theory#lo hades#lore olympus hades#lore olympus persephone#lore olympus spoilers#persephone theory#hades lore olympus#lo demeter#lo discussion#lore olympus hera
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