so i noticed some cool things while listening to the underworld saga.

but before i begin.

*clears throat*

hey jay WHEN I CATCH YOU. WHEN I CATCH YOU JAY. /j

THIS FREAKING BROKE ME OMG. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS SO BAD but i'll do that tmrw since it's too late for me rn.

in the meantime please enjoy this list of cool noticings (BIG SPOILERS AHEAD)

Me : Oh my gods I can't wait for the 14th Feb !

Nobody : Ah, Valentine's day with your s/o ?

Me : Aha, yeah, yes ofc, why else

maybe I should just give in and start posting my Epic the Musical stuff here too

im gonna be so insufferable on friday when the underworld saga comes out it's not even funny i am so sorry

I've seen takes about "There Are Other Ways", saying that Circe should have successfully gotten Odysseus to have sex with her because it would've kept up with the "will of the gods" being non-negotiable, as Circe's a half-goddess. And maybe there are good arguments in favor of that���I'm no expert on Greek mythology, but from what I know about Jay's vision, which differs from the og myth, I have some "counterpoints" (not really a definite argument, I know I could be wrong, so it's more like a question almost).

In Jay's TikTok (sorry it's muted 🙄) where he and Talya act out the song, Circe is backed against the wall with Odysseus's knife or sword (represented by a censored plastic fork in the video) at her throat, but as she prompts the "choice" to have sex, Odysseus stops fighting her, in distressed contemplation, and she's able to get herself out of the corner and get his weapon. She's only pretending to offer sex to him, but in actuality plans to stab him with his knife or sword while he's vulnerable and she has control over him in a way his flower doesn't aid. The video cuts out after that, but from the song we know that Odysseus rejects what he thinks were her sexual advances, Circe pauses as he explains that he's loyal to Penelope, and her mind changes, deciding to help him get to the underworld.

Odysseus didn't overpower Circe's will by turning down sex with her, since that wasn't her will at all. Her will was to not be physically backed against the wall, which she got, make him occupied with his thoughts enough so he'll stop fighting, which she got, and get his weapon, which she got. Circe gets her will, and if her will was to then stab him she would've been able to easily. Her will changes when Odysseus talks about his wife, but he isn't overpowering her will by doing that, he's only explaining why he doesn't want to sleep with her and begging to not have to do it, a thing she also didn't want to do herself, as her intent was to kill him. Circe got her will to not sleep with Odysseus, but she changed her own mind on killing him by her own choice. Odysseus was trying to not do what he thought was her will, but he was wrong. Yet his attempt to get out of what he thought was her will indirectly caused Circe to change her mind about her actual will, but he doesn't know that. He's not convincing her to go against her will, he's speaking his feelings and she decides to do something else on her own will. She still could've killed him, but she changed her mind. It's a nice thought to say that Circe respected his loyalty, but I don't think his loyalty had to do with her change of heart in that way, but his love in general. She just seems to know what it's like to be in love and wants to help him get home for that (and maybe she has beef with or reservations against Poseidon based on her "Poseidon, eh?", but I'm not sure. She likely knows a lot about him though, being the daughter of a sea-nymph). Circe is still in control. She changes her own mind.

I hope I made sense.

Again, I'm not a Greek mythology expert, and not even an expert on this musical, but I've just been thinking about this. If there's any detail or angle I'm missing here let me know!

Wouldn’t You Like is literally about Hermes convincing Odysseus to take some drugs

@wolfythewitch

Odysseus in Epic: the musical

So.

The Odyssey // The Odyssey, if Odysseus' men hadn't opened the bag of winds

He...uh, isn't doing too well

GUYS EPIC THE MUSICAL IS TRENDING ON TUMBLR. I REPEAT. EPIC THE MUSICAL IS TRENDING ON TUMBLR.

epic the musical is trending, we did it guys

If you haven't already heard of it, I implore you to check out Epic The Musical by Jorge Rivera-Herrans. From the musical artistry, storytelling, vocal performances, and acting, Jorge Rivera-Herrans has it all. It is truly one of the best pieces of art that I have ever experienced. The emotions that it invokes are truly something that needs to be experienced. The Underworld Saga just dropped today, so check it out!

Polites died believing that the world is kind, and yet his death contributes to Odysseus deciding to become a monster. Absolutely devastating

Circe: I can’t send you home but I know this dead prophet who might be able to help so you’re gonna have to take a little trip to the underworld :)

Odysseus “I miss my wife so much please let me go home” of Ithaca: