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Watching CQL ep49 for the upteenth time and the way Lan Wangji shakes his head at his brother to stop whatever objection he might have, and then nods at Wei Wuxian to go ahead with his funky little resentful energy tunes. And then Jiang Cheng throws WWX his flute, and we see he has feelings about it when WWX starts to play it. The fact that WWX has the backing of both his bae and his bro has me feeling things too.
And if that isn't enough to make me emotional, then there's Wen Ning. Slicing up his hand to stop Baxia from splitting Jin Ling's head open. And Jiang Cheng is watching all this like he's reevaluating his entire worldview. And when WWX leads Baxia to the coffin like the pied piper, and he blasts Wen Ning away and LWJ catches him. People realizing that Wen Ning is Good actually and must be Protected, is my jam.
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Wen Zhuliu for the character ask meme
(And Jiang Cheng if you want, but that’s the obvious one haha)
Wen Zhuliu my mysteriously evil bbg
Favourite thing about them: We know almost nothing about him, which means I can make up whatever bullshit I want and then tell my friend about it as if it's canon. However, we do know that his name used to be Zhao Zhuliu and that he joined the Wen Sect because of some sort of debt he owed them. His loyalty to Wen Chao shows that he really does honour that debt, meaning he must be honourable and he must value debts and promises at least to a certain extent which is quite interesting. Its really frustrating, I know what I want to say but I just can't articulate it.
Least favourite thing about them: He's like kinda evil and melted Jiang Cheng's core (and potentially the cores of his parents), which was #notcool
Favourite line: Bae is not a talker, so I'm gonna go with the "ARRRHHHHHH" sound he makes when lunging for Wei Wuxian right before Jiang Cheng bursts through the ceiling and kills him
brOTP: I actually have no idea. Wen Chao thinks they're besties but that doesn't count because Wen Zhuliu doesn't think/feel the same 💔
OTP: Wen Zhuliu x Yu Yixuan, it's all mapped out in my head
nOTP: I've seen Wen Zhuliu x Jiang Cheng stuff on ao3 which was... yeah really weird
Random headcanon: Used to write letters to Yu Ziyuan although he would never send them. They were filled with random tidbits of information; stuff about his day, what he had for dinner, his opinions on the current political climate of the Wen clan. Idk
Unpopular opinion: I haven't seen any opinions on him, so I can't really answer this one lol
Song I associate with them: For some unknown reason. I always picture Wen Zhuliu's face whenever I hear the song "Romeo" by Basement Jaxx. Idk why 😭
Favourite picture of them: I like this one, personally. Bae has no idea what's going down
#wen zhuliu#zhao zhuliu#core melting hand#the untamed#mdzs#grandmaster of demonic cultivation#mo dao zu shi#asks
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jiang cheng for the character bingo? 💜
Jiang Cheng my beloved, my bae, my silly little dude
#🌟 asks#oddishblossom#do i contradict myself?#maybe#but maybe i'm right have you considered#thank you for asking abt him!
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#basically: i'm a hoe#quite the hoe really#especially where the untamed is concerned#the yunmeng trio#jiang cheng is my bae#even though i dont talk about it much#i want him to be happy;_;#anyway#the untamed#mdzs#mo dao zu shi memes#the untamed memes#mdzs memes
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Jiang Cheng (Courtesy Name: WanYin):
他舅舅是我．你還有什麼遺言嗎?
His uncle is me. Do you have any last words?
The Untamed (Chen Qing Ling) live action
Mo Dao Zu Shi manhua
Mo Dao Zu Shi donghua
#the untamed#mo dao zu shi#mdzsnet#mdzsedit#jiang cheng#mdzs#the untamed edit#my edits#my edits: mdzs#my edits: the untamed#my favorite characters#jiang cheng is bae#100 notes#lol so guess who didn't know you could upload gifs over 3MB#this person here
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My furious lotus 😍
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MEN IN BLUE
Time to celebrate a beautiful color on beautiful men!
Hu Ge: Mei Chang Su - Nirvana in Fire
'Leo' Wu Lie: Fei Liu - Nirvana in Fire
Jin Dong: Lin Chen - Nirvana in Fire
Chen Long: Meng Zhi - Nirvana in Fire
Sun Chun: Xiao Ting Sheng - Nirvana in Fire 2
'Turbo' Liu Yuan: Xiao Ping Jing - Nirvana in Fire 2
'Jaco' Zhang Bo: Xun Fei Zhan - Nirvana in Fire 2
Huang Xiao Ming: Xiao Ping Zhang - Nirvana in Fire 2
Kanazawa Hao Kim/Kim Jin/Jin Xin: Yue Yin Chuan - Nirvana in Fire 2
Zhou Yi Wei: Xiao Qi - The Rebel Princess
Fu Meng Bo: Sui Zhou - The Sleuth of Ming Dynasty
'Thomas' Tong Meng Shi: Yang Guo - The New Version of the Condor Heroes
'Wallace' Huo Jian Hua: Ling Hu Chong/Yang Lian Ting - Swordsman
Liu Yao Yuan: Wang Zhi - The Sleuth of Ming Dynasty
Wang Kai: Zhao Zhen/Emperor Song Ren Zong - Serenade of Peaceful Joy
'Darren' Chen Kuan Hong: Zhan Yan - No Boundary
Zhang Zhe Han: Zhou Zi Shu/Zhou Xu - Word of Honor
'Andrew' Yin Zheng: Xhang Xi Rui - Winter Begonia
Jang Hyuk: Lee Bang Won - My Country: The New Age
Yoo Ah In: King Suk Jong - Jang Ok Jung
Jo Seong Woo: Baek Gwang Hyun - Horse Doctor
Ji Chang Wook: Lee Choon Bae (young) - The Bros
Woo Do Hwan: Nam Seon Ho - My Country; The New Age
Lee Jun Ho: Heo Saek - Homme Fatale
Yoo Yeon Seok: Gu Dong Mae/Ishida Sho - Mr. Sunshine
So Ji Sub: King Jung Jo - The Throne
Lee Min Ho: Ghoi Yeong - Faith
Liu Hai Kuan: Lan Xichen - The Untamed
Liu Duan Duan: Li Cheng Ze - Joy of Life
Wang Yi Bo: Lan Zhan - The Untamed
'Vardy' Wang Hao Xuan: Yu Ming Ye - Dance of the Phoenix
'James' Huang Zi Teng: Lan Qi Ren - The Untamed
'Marius' Wang Zhuo Cheng: Jiang Shao - Legend of Two Sisters In the Chaos
Zhang Ruo Yun: Fan Xian - Joy of Life
'Sean' Xiao Zhan: Bei Tang Mo Ran - Oh My Emperor
Guo Qi Lin: Fan Xizhe - Joy of Life
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I love little scenes in The Untamed that upon rewatch strike me as verily so gay. One such scene is in episode 45 and features everyone’s favorite future murder victim, Sect Leader Yao. (It wasn’t me, I just found his corpse right here, he fell on my sword five times!)
Sect Leader Yao as always managed to invite himself into the cool kids’ boat, so he’s gossiping (i.e. talking shit) with a bunch of extras, in front of Nie Huaisang, Sect Leader Ouyang, and also literally right behind Jiang Cheng’s back. First, he starts off talking shit about Su She, then this inevitably leads to him throwing shade at JGY, and then my favorite part happens. Sect Leader Yao says “This Wei Wuxian, as bad as he is, he cannot always tell lies. I just heard that...” And Sect Leader Yao starts whispering to his disciples, apparently loud enough for Jiang Cheng to have an Emotion, and then there’s lots of teenage-like giggling while Nie Huaisang looks like he’s about to throw up, and everyone else is all “Tee hee, I heard the same thing! No wonder!”
In the meantime, Jiang Cheng makes this face towards the boat where Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian have retired to (more on that in a moment).
Now, what could they possibly be gossiping about that’s so funny? I think the inference is supposed to be something raunchy about JGY, but the thing is, Wei Wuxian didn’t accuse him of anything to his face at Jinlintai, so there was nothing for Sect Leader Yao to overhear, and no one has heard from Sisi and Bicao yet, so what could possibly be so juicy? What could he have JUST heard? And why would it make Jiang Cheng look like he’s going to stab a bitch?
So, I feel compelled to remind everyone that according to my very extensive analysis, Lan Wangji has by this point changed a very unconscious Wei Wuxian (and himself) out of his clothes, like completely, the entire outfit and accessories because he’s very devoted like that. I have to imagine, in plain sight of... everyone and his own poor Uncle (as if it wasn’t bad enough that Lan Qiren had to see Wei Wuxian wearing Wangji’s underthings in front of his salad). And then presumably carried him to that PRIVATE boat to continue sleeping it off while he holds vigil over his beloved’s slumber and plays romantic qin music for the bae.
Because when Wei Wuxian wakes up, he’s a) wearing a totally different outfit and b) has no idea what is going on. If that’s not enough to give Sect Leader Yao things to gossip about, I don’t know what is! (Huaisang and I are judging you, Sect Leader Yao.)
To sum up, my theory is that all the giggling is about the #shameless #canoodling Disgustoids (currently sharing a boat), who as we know will arrive at Lotus Pier looking like conjoined twins and end up causing a scene. Wow, the build up to the blow up at Lotus Cove starts here.
(As ever, my gratitude to @significanceofmoths for the illustrative gifs of all the pretty boys)
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CQL/MDZS INSP - Gusu Arc Pt3: Waterborne Abyss
Lan XiChen explained to Wei WuXian and Jiang Cheng, “We are going to exterminate water ghouls. Do some preparations, and we can depart together.”
Lan WangJi's brows knitted with confusion, “Brother, why did you decide to bring them?”
Lan XiChen answered, “You wish for him to go as well, do you not?” Lan WangJi was stunned. Lan XiChen, “I only agreed because you looked as if you wanted the head Jiang disciple Wei WuXian to come with you.” A silence fell upon them, as if the air was frozen solid.
The disciples' boats floated toward the center of Biling Lake. Wei WuXian spoke, “Lan Zhan, beside your boat!”
Suddenly, Lan WangJi warned, “Go back immediately. The underwater beings led the boats to the center of Biling Lake on purpose.” Just as he finished his words, everyone suddenly felt their boats sinking. A large whirlpool had formed without anybody realizing. The boats sunk as they spun, as if they were sucked inside a gigantic, black maw!
The disciple Su She was knee-deep inside the water, his boat engulfed in Biling Lake. Although his face was full of panic, he didn’t call for help, frightened rigid. Without hesitation, Wei WuXian grabbed at Su She. However, a strong force suddenly came for Su She, pulling in Wei WuXian. The whirlpool spun faster and faster, and his body also sunk deeper and deeper. There seemed to be something hiding underwater, holding onto his legs and pulling them down.
Wei WuXian shouted, “Can somebody come help!?" Suddenly, Wei WuXian was lifted into the air. Lan WangJi held the back of his collar with one hand. Although Lan WangJi looked indifferent, he carried the weight of three people, and fought with the mysterious force of the lake at the same time. Lan WangJi calmly turned to Lan XiChen, “It is a Waterborne Abyss.”
As they heard the name “waterborne abyss,” Wei WuXian and Jiang Cheng understood immediately. The scariest part about Biling Lake wasn’t water ghouls, but the water which flowed in it. Once a waterborne abyss emerged, it meant that the whole body of water was turned into a monster.
Lan XiChen shook his head, “This is going to be difficult.”
-- Mo Dao Zu Shi: Novel, Chapters 16-17
MY THOUGHTS & CC CREDITS
MY THOUGHTS
Remember Su She, y’all. (It’ll be hard, I know, LOL.)
I DELIBERATELY gave that wannabe the same hair as my sim!Lan Wangji, cuz with the hair & headband & school uniform he’s LEGIT really trying it! XD
Onto more relevant ACTUAL Lan members, Lan XiChen IS BAE~! ^0^
I was more inspired by the anime/dongua’s use of arrays/sigils, rather than talisman seals from the tv show. And I used a Kraken Attack, cuz the tentacles directly parallel what the Waterborne Abyss looked like in the dongua (the tv show kept it as whirlpool).
CC CREDITS
- Chinese Junk ship at MTS
#sims 3 the untamed#the untamed#sims 3 wangxian#wangxian#mo dao zu shi#sims 3 mdzs#sims 3 island paradise#sims 3 asian#sims 3 world adventures#sims 3 gameplay
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Thanks for answering my ask....I don't think you answered this question before (sorry if you've already answered and I missed it). What are your top 3 favorite moments from CQL or MDZS (your pick)? Thanks again if you want to answer....Hope you have a wonderful day....
(You are one of those that help me, change my perspective of Jiang Cheng, thanks for that)....
1. Wedding clothes scene. Shijie in her wedding clothes makes me cry every single time.
2. When Wei Wuxian crashes a party and tells everyone that he can kill whoever he likes whenever he likes ps. he will drink for the bae
3. Take care
#this is more a list of my favourites at this very moment#my real favourites are everything from the fall of lotus pier to the end of the second life#simply impeccable#I will never recover from my brain liquefying as I moved from#awww fun cheesy nonsense to this is my favourite show of all time at warp speed
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sometimes i try to move on from my past mistakes and then suddenly i’m reminded of how i forgot wei wuxian’s birthday and it hit me like a truck when jiang cheng’s rolled around i am so sorry necromancer bae ily pls forgive me
#everyday i am haunted by this fact#i love you too wwx i swear not just jc#mdzs#sunshine dumbass with a flute#i cant believe i forgot ;-;#dishonor on me#wei wuxian#my post#the a-qing show
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CQL Rewatch - Ep 14
Hey, I’m getting all my screencaps from Netflix now, because I finally figured out how lol. That means I’m also getting the subtitles from there (and I’ve seen a lot of Netflix haters, but at lease we won’t get “Wei Ying, clam down” and other ridiculous errors). This is just for your reference. I hope the quality of the images will be a little bit better.
So I’m both looking forward to and dreading this episode. On the plus side, the first half or so is wangxian, on the downside, the rest is not. And it marks the beginning of the Lan Wangji Drought™, and subsequently my least favorite part in the entire series (not counting the Yi City arc, which, as you may recall, I have not watched yet). But let’s get started, shall we?
We left our heroes in the Xuanyu Cave. Lan Wangji was asleep and Wei Wuxian as being thoughtful and adorable. Now they are both awake and hatching a plan to defeat the Tortoise of Slaughter. Wei Wuxian is talking about the fame and glory that they’ll receive if they defeat it, but on the other hand, if they are killed by the monster, that’s not a bad way to go. Again, even though Lan Wangji’s leg is doing better, even though they survived the first brushes with death with both the Wens and the mythical monster, here they are, about to face death again. But they have no choice, right? It’s either fight the Tortoise of Slaughter or starve. The crux of this whole arc for me is that it changes their relationship forever. You don’t almost die together and not have that change you and the relationship you have with that other person. And I think that’s what makes their reunion after several months so much harder and so much sadder (I’m itching to get to that scene, which is so far from here, ughhh).
Arts and crafts project with bae! Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I kind of love this scene, though, for what it is: the two of them quietly working together, each with his own task. There’s something kind of domestic about it, even in this dire situation. Also Lan Wangji is doing most of the work. It’s fucking hard to string/unstring a bow.
And when they’re picking up all the bows and arrows, I’m always thinking that the others made such a mess! They just chucked the arrows everywhere, dropped their bows. But why are there so many arrows on the ground? You’d think they’d mostly be in the water, as that’s where the Tortoise of Slaughter was. You know? I’m not gonna think to hard about this.
Imagine that instead of the bowstring, it’s actually one of those sticky hand things that you can swing around and stick to walls.
I spent too much time on that, I’m sorry.
Again, Lan Wangji is reminded that he’s injured and can’t be a ton of help in this situation. And I think he’s bothered by this quite a bit—not because he wants to play hero and save Wei Wuxian, but I think because he doesn’t want Wei Wuxian to bear too great a burden alone. And I think Wei Wuxian is coming from a place of caring and kindness when he points all that out. It’s not as if he wants glory either: he realizes that he is their best chance of survival, and he also knows he can count on Lan Wangji to be there for him.
This smile is so warm, so kind, so loving. Yeah, it is loving. And I do think that this sort of relationship is a big deal in the context of this story. You have two people from different clans, who have vastly different upbringings (although there are similarities with their parents’ deaths), able to come together and genuinely feel friendship for one another. This kind of thing is not that common, seemingly, in this world. It happens, right? It happens for political reasons (sworn brothers, etc.), it happens when there are marriages between clans—but we know that it isn’t common to have this particular kind of friendship, because the script literally pointed it out to us: Xiao Xingchen and Song Lan. They are different—they are close, they are soulmates, even (in a platonic way). And Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji are held up to them as a direct comparison (“Lan Zhan and I went on a night hunt together”). And wangxian isn’t a friendship of convenience—they weren’t forced here together and then they have to tough it out—this was all chosen. And I think this is where the whole “soulmate” conversation becomes important, in that them coming together and forming that bond in the Cloud Recesses was driven by some kind of fate. That initial meeting, those subsequent experiences they had—if those things hadn’t happened, they probably wouldn’t be in this cave together right now. That being said, the fact that they are in this cave together right now is definitely not fate. This was a choice—or a series of choices—made by the two of them. Had there been no friendship or love between these two, Lan Wangji would have left the cave with the others. Maybe Jiang Cheng would have stayed behind, or maybe someone else would have, or possibly no one! I like to think Lan Wangji would have stayed regardless of any feelings he has towards Wei Wuxian, simply because he’s that kind of person. He stands up for Mianmian because it’s the right thing to do, for example. But as things are, it’s important that Lan Wangji stayed because of Wei Wuxian—because of his feelings for him, because of their friendship, because they have this connection to each other. And I think it’s vital that Lan Wangji is the one to first see what the Yin Iron can do to a person, specifically the person he loves.
So I thought this whole little section here was just Wei Wuxian monologuing in his head the first time I watched this. And then he’s suddenly having a conversation with Lan Wangji, and I was like, “huh?” I am pretty sure I had to rewind and rewatch just so I could understand it with the newly-acquired knowledge that Wei Wuxian was actually talking to Lan Wangji. I’m find being a little confused, but would it have killed them to make Lan Wangji say, “Now we can communicate while you’re inside” or something to that extent, after using his little powers?
Anyhow, fuck, it’s horrible in there! I feel like the smell is visceral, even though I’m watching it on my laptop, it’s like I can feel the damp, air, thick with the smell of death and decay. Credit to Xiao Zhan for just really selling me on what it feels like to be in there. Also I’m so curious what they’ve got him walking through. I wish there were some BTS on that scene. I can imagine (because this is how my mind works) how difficult it was to clean his costume after that. Like that crap must have gotten into every tiny little nook and cranny of his shoes, and just YUCK! They were like, “Just throw them out. We have another pair.”
Since Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji are in a sense psychically linked here, does that mean that Lan Wangji can feel the energy that Wei Wuxian feels from the sword? He’s definitely reacting to something going on, but then I think Wei Wuxian talks about it later as if Lan Wangji doesn’t know. The romantic in me says that Lan Wangji is reacting because they are so spiritually connected that he can feel when something is wrong.
And now we have this very long action sequence where Lan Wangji does a lot of flying around and Wei Wuxian clings to that sword like Harry Potter on that bucking broomstick in the first movie. I’m sorry, that’s all I think about, and that thought will never leave my mind. What’s kind of cool is that they remind us immediately that Lan Wangji is still injured, by showing us his bloody leg right at the start of this sequence. So he’s flying around, using everything he’s got left, while still being gravely injured—it shows you just how powerful Lan Wangji is. He’s no weakling.
Another cool detail is that you can actually see the staining on Wei Wuxian’s boots from the muck he was walking around in! Nice continuity!
I can’t help it, anytime Lan Wangji yells out, “Wei Ying!” I melt into a puddle on the floor. There’s something about how little he does talk that when he does, it’s important and meaningful and impactful. And, yes, most of his lines are yelling out Wei Ying’s name, but that doesn’t make it any less meaningful when he does it. Every time he says it, it’s a reminder that there is a strong relationship there. As I’ve said before, even Jiang Cheng doesn’t call him by his given name. This is not just an everyday friendship here—it’s more than that—it’s a bond that can’t be broken even in death. That might sound silly and dramatic, but it doesn’t make it any less true. And that’s why when I hear him say, “Wei Ying!” it draws to the surface all of these other feelings. It’s not just a name, it’s not just a line—it’s something so much more.
Also, I want to point out that as soon as Lan Wangji figures out something is indeed very wrong with Wei Wuxian, he goes into overdrive. His hands are bleeding from the bowstring in his hand, his teeth are gritted, he somehow reaches into himself for even more power to defeat this monster.
Seriously? How dare you interrupt my wangxian scene with this garbage? I could not care less about anything going on in this scene. Just fuck off. The worst cut ever. What a stupid cut.
So, as if the Tortoise of Slaughter wasn’t bad enough, this poor kid (because he is just a kid) is now traumatized by the voices coming out of that sword. The pain, the fear, the negative energy—all of it was coursing through him, and worst of all, perhaps, he was even able to use that energy to defeat the monster. And I think, now that he’s felt it and seen it and used it, there’s really no going back. Dangerous? Yes, it’s dangerous, but it’s also powerful, and it saved their lives.
This part kills me every time, though, no matter how many times I see it. Wei Wuxian is just a husk of the person he was ten minutes ago. Where’s that cocky, smirking smartass? Where’s the Wei Wuxian we all know and love? But the reality is, part of him is lost. And throughout the scene, he’s clutching that sword, as if his life still depended on it. He won’t let that thing go, and I also find that hard to watch. And Lan Wangji here is out of his mind, desperate to help him. He runs into the water so fast, as if there is no leg injury at all. And, of course, that’s adrenaline for you, but it’s also just a testament to his strength and resolve and his willingness to go into a literal hell for Wei Wuxian.
And even in his feverish state, Wei Wuxian can’t help but tease Lan Wangji a little, pointing out that he never expected Second Master Lan to be this concerned about him. But it’s interesting that he uses that formal title there, as if he’s putting distance between them. Wei Wuxian is just Wei Wuxian—Wei Ying—and Lan Wangji is Second Master Lan. Whether it’s intentional or not, he’s drawing attention to this hierarchical difference between them, and I don’t think it’s a self-worth issue at all, because I think Wei Wuxian is okay with who his is—I don’t think he has qualms about that really. It’s more driving home the point of we shouldn’t be this close. Or isn’t it funny that we are this close? And he later draws a parallel to Jiang Cheng (again) by saying that at least Jiang Cheng wouldn’t be a boring companion (EDIT: Okay, he doesn’t say that—maybe in the book?). Ironic, because their stay in Xuanwu cave has been anything but boring. But I also think Jiang Cheng would not have been able to maintain his cool at all in that cave. No, I think that Wei Wuxian needed Lan Wangji to survive. He needed someone a little cold, logical, quick-witted, but desperate.
OMG, ALSO! Can I point out the lovely, beautiful, haunting cello music that’s playing this whole time? Not on the OST, which is a damn shame. So you’ll have to watch the episode to hear it, but it’s just so beautiful.
And pause for the clip show that will also make you cry!
“Wangxian.” Yes, yes, the greatest mystery of this whole series—the name of the song and how Lan Wangji immediately recognized Wei Wuxian in the second episode. So I don’t think they ever actually tell you the name of the song, right? It’s like this fun little thing for the fans of the book, and maybe they couldn’t say it because of censorship (because of what it implies, you know?). I’m not a great lip reader, but it looks like “Wangxian” to me. And if he’s saying something else, I don’t care—it is going to be Wangxian to me, regardless.
Man, this scene, though. I can never really hear the humming because you have to turn up the volume so damn loud, and even then it’s hard to hear. Maybe it’s just me. The first time I watched it, I was like, is he actually humming? I don’t hear anything. I was, again, confused. But anyway, it’s good that we see all those scenes with Lan Wangji, because guess what? You’re not going to see him for three or four episodes, FML. FML. FML.
FML.
Can you tell I’m not excited about these upcoming parts? Honestly it’s so tempting to skip it, but that’s not the point of this rewatch. I likely won’t have a ton to say, though, so maybe I’ll do more than one a week (don’t count on it, though).
Okay, guys. Here we go. If you think Jiang Cheng is a kind, gentle soul with a rough exterior, then you may not want to read the next few episodes. I like Jiang Cheng. I do. However, he is an asshole. A complete and total asshole with the occasional kind word thrown someone’s way. I think he cares about Wei Wuxian, as I’ve said before, but that he cares about himself far more. He is the antithesis to Lan Wangji. And that’s definitely on purpose. So, feel free to send me asks or whatever (and that goes for anyone, by the way—I don’t bite and I like to chat with people), but you’re not going to be able to convince me even that CQL Jiang Cheng is a good guy. I think you could try and read him that way, but you’d be ignoring some key things in his behavior and his character.
All right. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s start anew. It fucking sucks that the first people Wei Wuxian sees upon waking up are Jin Zixuan and Jiang Cheng, both of which essentially scold him immediately, as if he didn’t fucking save their lives back there. I’m sorry, that guy right there—yeah, him—he was read to sacrifice himself to save you. Jin Zixuan, “I didn’t do it for you.” Then why? You did it for Lan Wangji? Or you did it because it would be politically advantageous to you because you were engaged to Jiang Yanli? I’m just saying, be nicer to the man who was willing to die for you, okay?
Oh, my god, as if that weren’t enough, Jiang Cheng actually gets angry that Wei Wuxian doesn’t thank him! And this isn’t some macho guy thing where he just can’t show that he cares about him—this is just who Jiang Cheng is. He thinks of himself first and others second. Period.
So aside from those two being assholes, we do at least get some information here. The clans are now all resolved to fight against the Wen Clan. They all know what’s going on and they’re finally ready to stand up against it. The Cloud Recesses is trashed and Lan Wangji left on his own to go back, presumably to take it back from the Wens. I would have loved a heartfelt scene of them getting out together, but that isn’t even in the book, so CQL isn’t going to add that kind of nice stuff, I guess. But they did add this scene, which is mostly just showcasing that Jin Zixuan and Wei Wuxian still don’t like each other, Jiang Cheng is an asshole, and the world is generally fucked up right now.
A reminder that even though he’s in the bright sunlight, Wei Wuxian still has this darkness. It’s permeated him now. He can’t turn away from it. It’s part of him. And it’s something he can’t really share with anyone else—Lan Wangji to a point, but even he doesn’t get to know everything. However, he is, I think, the only one who would have listened.
Cute detail from the book, that Wei Wuxian had carved this into his headboard. What a romantic lol. I don’t have anything special to say other than, y’know, those two could be both guys.
It’s hard to even know what to say here. So much is going on, so many emotions, so many accusations—and Wei Wuxian is caught up in all of this. Madam Yu starts by chastising him for making trouble when he didn’t need to (she thought it better to let the Jins and Lans handle things, no need for the Jiangs to get involved), and then it spirals into this horrible tirade about Jiang Fengmian being hung up on Wei Wuxian’s mother, and in turn favoring Wei Wuxian over his own son because of it. There is so much jealousy and hatred and guilt wrapped up in all of this, it’s hard to even comment. I can’t imagine growing up the way Jiang Cheng did, feeling second best in everything by someone who’s not even your actual brother, feeling like your own father doesn’t really love you as much as he loves someone else. And now throw in that your father doesn’t love your mother because he had an affair with another woman. I can’t imagine how awful that would be. And despite what people might say, it’s hard to really, truly, break away from your parents, especially in a culture like this. It’s important to honor your parents in everything, so standing up to them is a definite no-no. And Jiang Cheng probably feels like the only parent who really loves him is his mother, even though she is the worst person ever. This doesn’t excuse his behavior, but it does help explain a bit of why he does the things he does to Wei Wuxian. I think he’s itching to feel superior over him, and that he’s been extremely jealous of him for a long, long time.
And then, god, what Wei Wuxian is feeling here! He’s the first one to always take the hit for Jiang Cheng. He’s always going to do whatever he can to make him feel better. He makes the sacrifices. That’s part of who Wei Wuxian is—he’s very selfless and courageous. I also can’t imagine how he feels, to be stuck in the middle of this very personal, very private family argument. The kind of raw emotion that’s on display in this scene is hard for me to watch. It’s awkward, it’s ugly, it’s a dark side to family dynamics that a lot of us thankfully never have to experience. It’s horrible to think that even when Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji were basically awaiting death in that cave, it was quite peaceful, though the landscape was harsh. And now that he’s back in this peaceful setting of Lotus Pier, he’s faced with another monster in the form of his adoptive family.
Of course Wei Wuxian knows that Jiang Fengmian doesn’t love him more—he’s harsher with Jiang Cheng because he’s the heir and he needs to be tougher, he needs to be able to lead this clan. I’m curious if Jiang Fengmian actually did have an affair, but if anything, it was probably emotional. I don’t think that Wei Wuxian is his love child or anything. But at the end of the day, the way I read this is just that the man has trouble being there for his son on an emotional level, and he feels bad for Wei Wuxian and overcompensates for that by giving him more attention. The thing is, while I don’t agree with it, I think he’s harder on his son because Jiang Cheng needs to someday lead. All Wei Wuxian needs to do is support that. And he does. He always supports Jiang Cheng. Always, that is, until Wei Wuxian finally starts to think about what he wants to do with his life, and he doesn’t want to spend it torturing people who don’t deserve it.
The Twin Prides of Yunmeng. It’s a nice idea, but it relies on Wei Wuxian submitting himself to Jiang Cheng at all times for the rest of their lives. It makes Wei Wuxian give up his agency. It makes him give up his dream to do what’s right and always have a clear conscience. If he had followed Jiang Cheng into fire, he would have had to lose himself in the process. So this is a promise that Wei Wuxian could never hope to keep. Although it’s a nice promise, it was said to make Jiang Cheng feel better.
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ngl i hate xiancheng i hate xuexiao and i hate xiyao, if someone shipped JFM with YZY i'd hate it too. i just don't like ships where a person is abused and used by another what's wrong with that? denying it is like denying JC XY and JGY are horrible people who did so much damage and didn't even spare the people they supposedly "loved" (according to shippers) from their abuse, there's nothing wrong with pointing out what's literally there on the book and idk why it would be a controversial take
Very valid reasons. Ships are such a subjective, personal thing you don't really even need to give a reason to hate them. Personally there are a lot of criteria I use to rank how insufferable a ship in the mdzs fandom is to me. Like are they trying to shove their ship down fandom's throat as canon? Have they already made me hate their toxic bae w 9000 metas based on their hopes and dreams that have no connection to reality, or canon but that they argue is the one truth. What are the fics like- are they just taking this horrible character, not forcing any growth or change, and basically writing a fic where they're grossly abusive but the fic author repeatedly 'clarifies' how everyone around them actually loves it and approves 🤢? Is there anything in canon in terms of the characters themselves that supports this venture. And how annoying do I find the characters involved. At this point personally, I really can't read anything feat. jiang cheng without dry heaving.
But then again mdzs just didn't spark any strong ships for me. WangXian captured my full focus (& it's canon- at least in the novel *shade to cql onlies*). When people maintain their characterization at least Xue Yang & JGY are interesting from a psychological standpoint. They're outsiders in that society. nature vs nurture. For better or for worse they're actually intelligent. They also formed complicated bonds w other characters. jc is literally the embodiment of 'go king give us nothing'.
#I think I've also been v lucky to not come across that many JGY/XY hardcore stans so I don't have that many negative associations#whereas jc stans are a dime a dozen#I could see how that might differ for others#Xue Yang#mdzs#Jin Guangyao#jiang cheng
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Hi.....
Relationship between wei wuxian and wen qing, can it work? What do you think ?
Oh and can wei wuxian work (romantically) with someone like jiang yanli (not jiang yanli, of course)?
Thanks, I love reading your insights and I enjoy your blog.....
wen qing x wei wuxian
i mean, personally, i dig it. my favorite flavor of wen qing x wei wuxian is that sad and desperate hookup knowing they’re both pining for someone else who they can’t have in the burial mounds which probably explains why I have a harder time shipping it/seeing it work as a long-term committed romantic relationship in a way that I tend to like: I tend to interpret them as caring deeply about each other, respecting and loving each other, and knowing each other in ways that others don’t (knowing the things they’d do for family, knowing that their loyalty and dedication are basically evenly matched as well as their willingness to engage in morally dubious decisions/actions that they believe are For Someone’s Own Good, etc. etc.) which all p important factors in a relationship!!
so like...yes...but I also feel like in some ways they are too similar in their sense of duty, willingness to sacrifice themselves, etc., and also too different in their personal code of ethics (Wen Qing imo def falls on Jiang Cheng’s side of “I am duty-bound to these specific people because they are family/sect, even if what I have to do for them is not what I want to do or feels bad/wrong while Wei Wuxian is much more I am duty-bound to my personal ethical code to help all people suffering from cases of injustice or oppression. ...I feel like there could actually be a rlly fun paper talking about this difference but my brain is currently blanking and I spent too much time reading abt utilitarians in college to readily think of useful sources :((( woe is me)
jiang yanli-esque characters x wei wuxian
as for jiang yanli-esque characters and wei wuxian...I have a hard time with it. this may totally be projecting but i’m of the general opinion that assholes need...assholes....yep. yep that’s the way i’m saying it yikes. Basically: Wei Wuxian can be mean and vicious and bratty! And I think in a relationship with someone who is, generally, soft and gentle and sweet, he’s going to a) feel a lot of guilt and shame about those aspects of his personality and b) wind up crafting a persona that covers that up and shoves down those traits—rather than having the space to actually address them and learn healthier coping methods and relationship patterns.
which isn’t to say that I think wei wuxian should be an asshole to his SO or anything, but I think he would find comfort and security in being able to be less than perfect and having his SO be undaunted by it. both in the sense that his partner(s) can give it back to him at times, that they can stand up and be like “hey, no.” without also being like “i am rejecting all of you”, and that they can also be assholes to other people. and i think that comfort and security both is good for relationships generally (presumably less stress-testing the bae if he feels like both his “good” and “bad” qualities are accepted fully) and allows him the space to make decisions about how he wants to be as a person going forward
#Anonymice#asked & answered#idk if any of this makes sense#also it was rlly hard not to add in why lwj is a good fit bc of those specific elements in the second part whoops#and also probably wildly projecting!#but personally...i feel most secure in relationships where i don't have to be Good and Sweet at all times#and while we know jyl (and presumably characters like her in this scenario) would love wwx with the bad#i don't think //he// would believe that in a way that doesn't feed into a lot of guilt and shame#so i think it's not necessarily abt how much they love or someone being able to love him better or worse#so much as like...wwx's perceptions of who he loves and how he is loved is a HUGE factor in how those relationships pan out#...as we see over and over in canon lol#ANYWAY sorry! i hope this makes a lick of sense orz
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confidence and bullshittery are essential to the creation of headcanons. for instance, I’m well into my 6th month of my mdzs/cql obsession, creating fics & edits & memes. so I can say with absolutely no shame whatsoever shit like “Jiang Cheng probably owned a white duck thinking it’s a baby undeveloping goose who’s not growing properly after he trusted Wei WuXian once in his entire life as a kid and accepted a gift from him at like 10”. I have nothing to fear. I cannot do shit like that with new, undeveloped fandoms on this hellsite. even suggesting a character might be smallspooning their bae at night feels risky. I don’t trust like that. I need me more people spouting nonsense so I feel like I belong first. but everyone is too prep at the beginning to even try. I’m sleep deprived sorry.
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One of the many things I enjoy about Lan Zhan is that he’s always been a ride-or-die bitch, but then once Wei Ying comes back he’s had sixteen years to think about how the biggest mistake he made was not being even MORE all-in for his boo and he just throws himself into it with zero regard for politics or propriety or moderation, etc etc and I love that for him
OOH BIG SAME anon! Lan Zhan is a ride-or-die bitch to the last. Wei Wuxian is such an icon, spending summer school flirting with the teacher’s pet for kicks and three years later the teacher’s pet says “actually fuck the rules, I’ll die for you!” and never looks back. It’s like that terrible 80′s movie cliche where the ice princess/awkward nerd falls for the bad boy who makes her loosen up a bit and have fun.
In cql I was always slightly like “hm, ooc for Lan Zhan not to straight up throw himself down that cliff after Wei Ying :/”
This man has set his priorities right after he watched the love of his life get destroyed over politics and greedy ambitions. He’s not quite there yet during WWX’s final years, still torn between his desire to protect Wei Ying and his duty to the Lan Sect. You can see it quite clearly during the scene where Mianmian secedes from Jin Sect, he keeps trying to speak out for WWX but he cannot bring himself to take that final step and openly declare his loyalties the way Mianmian does. His face when she sheds her robes is pure god-i-wish-that-were-me.jpg though.
Later during Burial Mound Siege? The guy threw hands with half his elders, people he’d been taught to straight-up revere, for WWX. And even after taking punishment for that to the point where he nearly died, he probably still thought of it as too-little-too-late. He failed to keep his love alive,after all. So when he’s handed a second chance he is absolutely past any patience for playing games.
Jiang Cheng tries to kill the person who played the song he wrote for WWX? Who might be WWX? Fuck you, sect leader! Wei Wuxian tries to get him out of trouble by claiming he’s bewitched the righteous Hanguang Jun? Don’t even start with that, bae.
A scene that illustrates this very well, I think, is when WWX first attends the banquet in Koi Tower as Mo Xuanyu, and worries that he’ll somehow embarrass LWJ whose response amounts to “Do whatever, who cares.”
WWX, after 16 years, could probably barge into any conference, tell everyone present to suck it, middlefingers raised, and pour a bottle of wine out over Sect Leader Yao’s face. And LWJ would still cheer him on from the side lines, head completely empty except for “Wei Ying <3″.
MY MAN SAID “FUCK THEM HATERS” AND GOOD FOR HIM! GOOD FOR HIM! THANK YOU FOR THIS DELIGHTFUL MESSAGE!!
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