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starlooove · 9 months
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All y’all fixing ur mouths to talk shit about Tanya’s new design will be seeing me in hell btw
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overleftdown · 4 months
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farleigh start and racism; oh boy.
(some people are going to find this post really annoying. some people are like felix catton.)
read this.
just some thoughts from the perspective of a person of color who is slightly too obsessed with this character. this movie leaves the viewer a lot of wiggle room to interpret how dynamics such as race and privilege come into play. there are certain parallels between this movie and the real world, and how unnoticeable white privilege tends to be for white people.
lemme lay some groundwork. from what i understand, the most prevalent form of racism and white privilege within upper- and middle-class circles is implicit bias. this is racist conceptualization that subconsciously interacts with one's perception of society and people. implicit bias is often externalized through microaggressions, differences in treatment and language towards a marginalized person, misplaced guilt or pity, and persistent denial of any existing privilege or marginalization. most of these biases are also founded on stereotypes. some racial stereotypes are heightening (e.g. asians are all smart) and some are lowering (e.g. black people are all lazy). all stereotypes are harmful. i'm going to discuss some of the stereotypes that could theoretically interact within the saltburn canon, as well as some things i've noticed within viewers. can of worms, to be honest. boutta get INTO IT.
to use one of my externalization examples, let's discuss (or, more accurately, let me discuss) the denial of existing privilege or marginalization. this is a subconscious way to uphold a sense of morality, effectively avoiding "white guilt," so to speak. as is clearly presented to us, the cattons are very attached to their methods of upholding their own self-righteousness. saviorism is a common theme within both elspeth and felix. in oliver's conversation with elspeth about poor dear pamela, you can see that oliver recognizes elspeth's need to justify her actions in an attempt to preserve her sense of decency. one can only assume that this applies to how they view farleigh's relationship with them. there's more to talk about there, but i'd like to start with the only overt mention of race in this movie.
in felix's confrontation with farleigh, farleigh makes the bold and brave decision to mention his blackness. i call this brave because it's genuinely a terrifying thing to do, and the end of this conversation is proof. "oh, that is... that is low, farleigh. seriously, that's where you want to take this? make it a race thing? i never know our footman's names; the turnover for a footman is notoriously high!" we have felix's intentional or unintentional shaming of farleigh. we have felix's appalled denial of any involvement of race or racial bias. we have felix's diversion away from farleigh specifically and onto his own inability to know his staff's names. felix made no further attempt to recenter farleigh, aside from telling him that the cattons have "done what they can." (which is SO absurd on its own. they are clearly and obviously able to do more. they are disgustingly rich). farleigh does feel ashamed after felix's response; you can see it on his face, and archie says it directly. here is a relevant and prevalent stereotype for all marginalized people: that the discussion of marginalization is exclusively weaponized to gain something or manipulate a situation. this is how felix chooses to see farleigh's implication of existing white privilege. this conversation results in nothing, does nothing, as felix chooses not to confront what he's probably thinking as he repeats the words "begging bowl" to venetia.
now. saviorism, guilt, and pity. felix specifically tells oliver that sir james made an effort to support farleigh out of guilt. i'd like to order some things in a way that i perceive them. frederica start runs from england, which is explained in a condescending way by felix. frederica start marries a so-referred-to "lunatic" who dug through fred and jame's money, although it's farleigh who only mentions fred's financial irresponsibility. out of guilt, james offers to pay for farleigh's education. the specificity of education is compelling to me. perhaps james is simply a patriotic man who strongly believes that english education is better. or this is a mobilized racial stereotype! who can truly know. i digress. james' offer to pay for farleigh's foreign education puts the cattons in an odd position; if farleigh is to attend english schools, he will need to stay with the cattons. if farleigh is staying with the cattons, he will need to be treated as equal to felix and venetia. this is all one long chain of obligations. none of these acts from one family member to another should be considered "charitable," because family should intrinsically create a trustworthy and supportive dynamic.
i believe that the cattons do consider their fostering of farleigh as obligatory. moral obligation, as they recognize that families are intended to have a sympathetic and loving relationship. they cannot, however, escape the truth that they're just guilty. the "begging bowl" and "biting the hand" are more symbolic of a starving dog and its charitable adopter than a cousin/nephew who's staying with his absurdly rich family. see, the cattons are fully and entirely capable of affording another child, of supporting frederica financially, etc. the only way i can rationalize their reluctance to do so is by assuming that they don't feel like farleigh deserves it. is this a crazy assumption? i genuinely don't see why else. of course, i don't think this mentality is explicit or conscious. it's more-so the reality that when farleigh walks in a room, he's not the same as anybody else. aside from background characters at oxbridge, the only on-screen black people are liam, joshua, and james' godson's wife (who gets degraded on-screen). this is the reality of being different in an environment such as the english aristocracy. the cattons choose to see themselves as the hand that feeds the less fortunate, more entertaining, and least inconvenient. the cattons' inclusion of farleigh is not only reliant on how well farleigh performs, but also on their own pity and guilt.
all of this is somehow, painfully mirrored by some takes i've seen on farleigh. maybe this entire post is presumptuous, but you know what isn't presumptuous? saying that certain people hold farleigh to an incredibly odd standard. while the cattons never canonically said anything along the lines of "farleigh doesn't deserve our love and support," mfs on the internet have. the number of times people have referred to this character as greedy, lazy, petty, and malignant is so odd to me. i'm insane, i know. i just don't understand how people can hold farleigh to the backdrop of an english aristocratic family and so passionately say that he, of all characters, is the most detestable. or that he, of all characters, has no reason to behave in the way he does.
is farleigh greedy? greed is defined as a desire for more. farleigh has no desire to climb ranks, no desire to replace or surpass felix, no desire to hold any power over any family member. he is maintaining, upholding a standard that has been set for him throughout his life. is it kind or selfless of him to meddle in other people's affairs with the cattons? no. does he have a reason to be upset that non-relatives of the cattons are a threat to his inclusion in the first place? yes. is farleigh lazy? i don't even need to explain this one. no. if you don't consider oliver lazy, then i really don't want to hear anything. is farleigh petty? pettiness is defined as "an undue concern for trivial matters, especially in a small-minded or spiteful way." farleigh's meticulous attention to trivial matters isn't undue in any sense. a person of color and their meticulous attention to trivial matters is almost never undue. elspeth is a good example of petty. is farleigh malignant? there are a lot of definitions of malignant and i've seen people apply all of them, in some way, to farleigh. that's just wrong. archie madekwe once said, "i was interested in humanizing what, on paper, seemed like a mean character, a villain, or a bully. i don't think he's any of that. he's very self-serving, but i think he's really a heartbreaking character." case closed, this was for my own piece of mind. had to write this section because good lord.
in conclusion to this post that has gone tragically off the rails, i think the in-canon and viewer perspective of farleigh is, perhaps, a little racially motivated. sue me. they are all very centered on this idea that farleigh doesn't deserve inherent respect, support, and love. to remove farleigh's rational position within the cattons family would be akin to removing his right to familial love. genuinely, that's how i see it. the transaction nature of farleigh's actions is responsive. he sees felix as a social shield at oxbridge, he sees elspeth and james as the beholders of his perceived security, and he sees saltburn as a way to escape from his lack of privilege and his lack of stability in america. boom. bam. pow.
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pup-pee · 1 month
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jesus ive been reading this comic 4 like 5 yrs
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heres some emilio doodles bc bc idk
emi; “oh tobias! u dont have 2 b flawless 2 b perfect!”
yes im thinking about that 1 panel where tobi was just like “THATS A LIE”
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autistic-katara · 6 months
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i think goyim should just shut the fuck up about jewish people forever actually
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byanyan · 3 months
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i'm always out here talking about byan's trauma with men, but honestly they have almost as much when it comes to boys. most of the bullying, harassment, and mistreatment they received from their peers growing up came at the hands of boys. not all of it, of course, but considering that was the generalized group they were shoved into most of their life, and the one they didn't fit in with... it's where more of the damage came from.
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kof-xiii · 4 months
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exclusionists in the queer community rly are a whole nother level huh. amyway good morning ^_^
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treesbian · 6 months
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the Choctaw fb group im in is full of white natives with no respect for their heritage. someone just posted in it not to dress up as a native american for Halloween and they got so many people lecturing them about letting kids be kids or whatever. when you're white and you're claiming indigeneaty you have a responsibility to be respectful.
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capfalcon · 1 year
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i think people should be required to do 10 hours of volunteering/community service every time they say the word "problematic"
#i hate it. i hate it. as someone who deals w social media and studies it for a living/career#i fucking hate that word#its like just one step away from people saying 'ive decided these things are all immoral' and lumping them all together#i understand why the word is used i just think its literally meaningless#problematic could mean conflict. it could mean important discourse. it could mean someone has had a negative impact#it could mean that what they said has harmed people#problematic means literally nothing#it provides no nuance no substance#and people throw it around like it means something when it doesnt#and they act like its this Terrible Complex issue when in reality#its just some fuckin buzzword people use to describe a myraid of much bigger much more interesting conversations#and you dont get to the heart of those conversations by throwing the word problematic around as if its some#Genuine label#ur not the social justice activist you think you are just by using the word problematic#and its so frustrating listening to people talk on and on about race and 'problematic' people and issues#idk man. shut up and go volunteer somewhere.#make a difference in your community. spend less time talking about old tweets or pedagogy and more time helping people who need it.#and its also. i also really hate the word problematic bc i feel like the only people who use it#are people who think the world can be divided into black and white#like go help build some houses or pack food for homeless people or garden at ur local park#make a difference and then worry about all this shit#actions speak louder than words#stop talking about how fuckin problematic it is that this guy hates queer people and actually go and help some queer people#etc etc. ugh.
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villalunae · 6 months
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"the us is not a christian nation" says who. george washington?? thomas jefferson??? bilbo baggins?? u mean the bitches who u say we shouldnt care abt just cuz they wrote the constitution back in ye old swagless white boy days and their opinions dont matter to us anymore. u mean those bitches. and ur gonna believe their little dumb bitch asses when they say "the us is not a christian nation" Boy Do You Know What Bias Looks Like Cause Im Boutta Woop You With It
#personal#sorry this is such one of those stupid topics#like ofc its a christian nation shut up. shut uppp. those old dusty bitches can say ''no were not!!! were secular!! we swear!!'' all they#want ok but look me in the eye. look at me. ur gonna believe them when they say that. what other shit can come outta their mouth#that youll believe huh. tj said he didnt rape that woman u gonna believe him? u gonna believe washington didnt Like slavery#just cuz he said to release all his slaves after he died???#u gonna believe famous white guy hamilton when he said all women are queens and then had a whole affair. two if u count angie.#like homies idk how to impress upon you that The Words Of Old White Men Do Not Mean Shit#just cuz they said ''oh slavery is wrong!'' does not mean they did jack all abt it when they wrote the constitution#just like it dont mean shit all when they said ''we're not a christian nation'' HOMIE WHATS THE FIRST GD SENTENCE OF THE DOI#LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND READ THAT ALOUD TO ME HOMIE. ''THE US IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION'' SHUT UP YOU ARE SO STUPID#GOD BLESS AMERICA ETC ETC. SHUT UPPPP#''tj was agnostic he didnt believe in god'' homie had so many bibles that he could cut and paste what he liked outta one#and put it in a journal. mind you the bible is double sided pages. he had to have at least two of those he could fuck with like that#get outta my SIGHT dont MENTION those bitches around me i will KILL YOU#anyway. lauras bi-annual I Know More Than You Abt American History post
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mostlykind · 6 months
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sunak has a lot of dumb shit to say for a prime minister that wasn’t even elected
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imaginariancathouse · 8 months
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yall im just sayin that qtpoc need to fuck & make love to each other more, especially black & native folx, we love y'all sm
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aahsoka · 2 years
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no wait about that rahul kholi vs the r*ylos thing is like …. yea. he straight up only said r*ylo doesnt make him horny. and they got incensed over it. john boyega literally just posted some pictures of rey and kyle FROM THE MOVIES and said ‘star wars romance’ like nothing either of these men said was particularly rude to r*ylos specifically but then said r*ylos piled onto them and later decided the actors were misogynists. for just snarkily replying to unwarranted harassment. (as men of color). anyways
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ayoedebiris · 1 year
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who tf sees a gifset and say i’m gonna add my own gif to it to be annoying?
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autistic-katara · 3 months
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u ever see a mildly iffy post and look at the comments and just think “wow, everyone here is so fucking unpleasant in their own special way”
#comments on a post abt i/p stuff nd no one can grasp the concept of it not being 1000% black and white#it’s possible for both groups to be indigenous to palestine and it’s possible for both groups to not be able to “return to where they came#from”#as yk from what i know it’s pretty impossible to leave gaza at all and also most israelis r refugees from really bad antisemitism or r#descended from them#and also its possible to talk abt hamas and antisemitism w/o denying the genocide going on and vice versa#and its really fucking easy to not dehumanise regular israelis/jews and palestinians/arabs#like it’s so very easy to not do that#innocent palestinians don’t deserve to die bcz of the actions of hamas#innocent israelis don’t deserve to die bcz of the actions of the idf#and neither deserve to be displaced (probably into unsafe conditions) bcz u don’t think they’re indigenous enough#so many of u act like either palestine is just a country of antisemitic terrorists or israel’s full of fascist soulless militants#both r incredibly xenophobic (and racist or antisemitic to be more specific abt it)#idk i’m just so tired of ur ability to not be normal abt this while there r people dying#i would say “it’s online discourse ppl r just like that” except this is very much bleeding into real life and existed before the internet#long before the internet#so it does very much affect real life so idk just be better please#sorry tangent in the tags#ryan shut the fuck up#antisemitism#racism
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caruliaa · 10 months
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whenever more conventionally attractive ppl r like omgg im soo hot it bugs me sm. and its literally so stupid bc like yes feel good abt urself thts important to do !! but its also like do u think tht bc u geniunly think tht of urself or bc u have the traits tht society has deemed as being conventionally attractive nd therefore meaning a person is worthy ? nd what do you think of those without those traits ? 🤨
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oatbugs · 2 years
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imagine being a philosophy student and still viewing yourself on a pedestal / inside an ivory tower . like imagine Studying In Depth At Degree Level a discipline that teaches you over and over again that you know very little, imagine reading all these papers by all these very clever ppl, and still at a masters/undergrad level thinking u genuinely somehow know so much more than others and no one gets u bc no one is smart enough to . imagine devoting so many yrs of ur life to a discipline and still missing one of its main points so hard . amazing luv .
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