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#how hard can i project onto ronance
sapphicmemos · 2 years
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i like the idea that nancy cannot cook at fucking all like she just cannot cook while robin somehow always makes a fucking gourmet meal.
like the reason nancy sucks is because she’s too scared of over seasoning or overcooking or doing literally anything wrong in the kitchen. like it gives her extreme anxiety. she actually made plans to either date/marry someone who can cook or depend on eating out for the rest of her life.
and robin gets so bored sometimes she just fuckjng taught herself. like her parents were working late and she was like 11 in the house by herself and they left no food for her and she doesn’t have the money to order out so she just fucking winged it and cooked for herself with whatever’s in the kitchen.
i wanna say like before they started dating nancy somehow ended up saying that she cannot cook to save her life and robin’s like “i’ll teach you! it’s honestly easier than you think! :D” and nancy doesn’t know how to tell robin it’s more likely with the both of them in the kitchen it’s more likely that everything ends up on fire
so they do this thing where they both cook the same dish for the other to try and robins literally trying to get her to let loose in the kitchen and nancy is just so fuckjng worried and robin is like “im not gonna hate you if you put a little bit more pepper than what’s recommended” but nancy is like robin is so nice for lying to my face about this she’s so sweet
so they eat each others food and nancy is like this fucking amazing and robin is just like “nancy you took this off the stove way too early but beside that it’s fine” (she’s slightly lying, but she doesn’t mind teaching nancy how to cook and trust herself with non emergency things) and nancy is barely listening because all she’s thinking is about how great robin is and she’s a great cook???? she’s all like ‘oh if robin was single (because how could robin not be dating someone it’s robin she’s amazing) and if i were a guy i’d propose to her right in this moment’
nancy later realizes that that was not a platonic thought to have about a Very Platonic™ best friend of hers
idk i might put this in the jealous nancy fic (WHICH IM FINISHING THE FIRST CHAPTER OF ISTG ITS JUST THAT DANCE IS A LOT RN)
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scoupsahoy · 1 year
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so i, like most people, pretty much subscribe to the bisexual steve harrington and bisexual nancy wheeler cinematic universes and all that and i've never really had any conflicting thoughts about it
but i was thinking about it this morning and i'm having gay thoughts and i just wanted to pitch them as a lesbian projecting my experiences onto these guys
specifically steve and nancy are so interesting when thinking about this because - partly because they dated - their fanon identities are SO popular and pretty rigid that it's almost accepted as canon. and i dont want to step on that at all but i do want to explore it...
i'm gonna go back and forth but we're gonna dip our toe in with steve.
the thing about him is that basically since season 1 he's been - not queer coded - but definitely immediately latched onto by both fandom and the actors as queer in some way. the guy who played tommy hagan apparently played tommy as harboring feelings for steve, same with dacre as billy, and the way ostensibly one of the only popular ships in the first couple of years or so was stoncy. so like there's this groundwork there which is admittedly impacted by the fact that joe is like. an attractive white adult man. obviously.
but i'm sitting here as a lesbian also really drawn to steve for a lot of reasons but particularly because i see a lot of myself in him? i'm running with something here okay -
season 1 steve is head over heels for nancy. that's, like, undeniable, and honestly the main reason people think he's attracted to women at all but !
he's practiced. he knows what to say to girls. and everyone tells him he's barking up the wrong tree. nancy is too smart for him and honestly super uncomfortable when tied to him. she's playing hard to get, that's his favorite game. she sleeps with him, sure, but she doesn't tell anyone about it, she doesn't like how affectionate he is all the way up to season 2, is honestly incapable of saying she loves him. he's heartbroken by that, but he's not surprised. he's spent a lot of time basically trying to force this pretty little box to close tightly and it bursts open in his hands. and he's upset even though he knew it wouldn't all fit.
there's this through-line with nancy that she's being misunderstood all the time and she resents it, that she knows what she wants and makes it clear to herself but nobody can read her well enough to figure it out. and steve is part of that. she's vaguely uncomfortable with him and his affection and how much he loves her and honestly deeply resents him for not being able to see her and her priorities.
for nancy, she's with steve because he's nice and funny and attractive and he's who she should want to be with. he makes her feel good and gives her butterflies and whatever but it's not really steve she likes, is it? she likes that steve likes her and fights for her and respects her and shows her love and for a year she convinces herself that that's what love is!!
but it's not. of course it's not. she didn't love steve and she doesn't even really know she doesn't until he asks her to say it. and she can't. she didn't know she was lying until she was confronted with it and it's deeply sad for steve but it's also deeply sad for her.
maybe this is just me projecting as someone who was "boy crazy" through middle and high school, but the person you have tricked yourself into thinking you loved noticing that you don't, won't, can't love them, feels like shit. you want to prove them wrong. you want to prove yourself wrong.
because nancy is different than steve. after barb dies, she is no longer friendly with like. any girls. at all. honestly until season 4 when ronance started to get popular she was probably most often headcanoned as this badass straight girl or whatever, which is fine obviously, but also maybe by design?
her best friend is a lesbian (overwhelmingly in fanon) and after she dies she only interacts with men until robin. boys understand her and she wants to prove to them that she's tough and they like her, she's the queen of hawkins high or whatever fred benson says to her.
like. immediately after she ends things with steve, she's with jonathan, because he likes her a lot and he sees her more clearly than steve did and she thinks: okay this is what i needed, this one is right, it's better, it's good
come season 3, she's frustrated again because jonathan doesnt really understand her the way she wants to be understood. but they love each other! she wants to make this work! she's the most driven person she knows, she is determined and stubborn and after everything, there's no reason she shouldn't want to be with jonathan. so they make it work and it's good. all patched up.
brief look back at steve: hitting on women and completely striking out this entire season. it's comical actually. it's actually embarrassing how bad he strikes out, it's like his spark is gone, like he's not even trying! he hardly has the time, anyway, with the kids and work and the upside down. all that.
and then, after some pressing with dustin, he falls for robin. like falls for her. and she's totally different from nancy, because nancy wasn't emotionally available, nancy would never have been able to love him, he's come to terms with that. but robin?
oh she's a lesbian.
season 4. steve is going on dates with girls he doesn't like, who don't like him, who he's not even interested in. robin points it out: you have no idea what you want. which is true. he's very easily swayed. he falls fast and hard but it's never good, he wants something REAL. robin knows exactly what she wants. if only they could combine...
enter nancy wheeler. getting slow-motion broken up with by her boyfriend, too busy to care. boys love her, by the way, she's sought-after, but she has a good excuse. she has a boyfriend that lives far away. she doesnt know why he doesn't come to visit her, but she's also not really interested in coming to visit him either. they're at a stalemate. and it's perfect. she gets to live her life free of romance because she technically already has a boyfriend who loves her very much.
and then her and steve are thrown back together again, and they're so different from how they used to be after less than a year and a half. they've grown and they. woah, they want completely different things. he wants six kids and she thinks that's a nightmare. she doesn't want to be like her mom, doesn't want some big nuclear family, and the problems she and steve had haven't gone away, but she still flirts with him. she thinks it's fun. it doesn't mean anything. she's with jonathan now.
and everyone is up both of their asses like: oh my god nancy and steve need to get back together, they lost each other along the way, they were destined to be together.
but really. steve couldn't be going after someone less interested in him if he tried, with nancy. not with robin or the girls he goes on dates with. he's so positive he likes girls, and these girls never ever like him back (and when they do... he's painfully disinterested), and he doesn't consider why he keeps crawling back to something so unattainable on purpose. over and over again.
and nancy, really is only chasing the opposite of what other people expect from her. she doesn't want to be her mom. she doesnt want to be with steve. she doesnt want to be with jonathan. but thats what everyone thinks she wants. and the worst part is that she doesn't really know what she wants! because this is what she knows she's supposed to want! she's got to be with some man if she's going to get anywhere she wants in life. but god, it is never about the men at all.
im just sitting here holding steve harrington by the face, like: please examine why you are exclusively interested in women that want nothing to do with you. examine why you're so determined to make things work with people you know it will not work with.
and i'm sitting here holding nancy wheeler by the face, like: please examine why you are exclusively interested in men only when they've expressed romantic interest in you first. examine why you're so determined to stay in relationships that you're unhappy in for way past their expiration date. because being pursued feels worse.
i'm just saying that all the crushes i had when i was in high school ended up coming out as gay after graduation or were otherwise extremely disinterested. and every guy i did date had to literally corner me in a hallway to ask me out before the last day of school or something so i wouldnt literally run away from them.
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gay ass parrots
okay i miss my birds of paradise au so this is post is gonna be a wicked amalgamation of my thoughts
base summary tho is how the wings play into the world of stranger things, not just on the characters, more headcanons, and in general more wing au details lol
im gonna TRY to label when my train of thought switches so that its easier for y’all to follow lol
okay so! when it comes to how my au applies to the main plot, the upside down does exist!! most of the stuff that changes is character dynamics, as certain personalities have intensified traits and in general wings are super expressive of inner feelings (and conflicts).
how it relates to the upside down: el is the only character who is wingless. there are people who were naturally born wingless, but el is not one of them, with her wings being worn down and eventually destroyed by her time in the lab. this is a massive point of trauma for her. she has no idea what species she was but around s3 time point max tries to get a read on her traits to find out so that she can be accommodated for best
(point of conflict: mike thinking that max delving into that stuff is just el being forced to relive old trauma and think of what she’s lost, kinda resembles their main season 3 conflict).
vecna has (demo)bat wings lol
how wings shift dynamics:
certain characters actually learn to compensate for how revealing their wings are, like robin, will, nancy, and karen, and actively work to hide how their wings would naturally appear
robin and will do it more as a defense mechanism, being shunned for who you are and how you express yourself makes walls go up. as well as the fact that their affections for people they shouldn’t have affections for are in great danger of being discovered if they let themselves be fully expressive. (robin’s guard is let down near the end of season 3, while will’s just gets way worse).
nancy and karen on the other hand are conditioned to repress how they feel and express themselves. karen growing up and being forcibly tamed by the life she ended up in, and then projecting that onto nancy, even if she didn’t mean to. in season one it’s at it’s worst, with the only times nancy really emotes at all with her wings being around barb, and when barb is gone its a mix of erratic expression and constant stress. nancy lets go almost entirely with jonathan, with flickers of old behavior appearing when they fight in season 3. season 4 she’s just a mess lol. karen is in limbo with this problem and nancy is even more complicated. on one hand, nancy officially gives 0 fucks about what people read off of her wings, while on the other nancy actively shoves off what’s bothering her in the face of what she deems “real problems”, which will sometime translate to her wings.
how wings affect ronance:
okay ronance fans its time for dinner bc this is an official Ronance Moment(tm)
nancy and robin meeting under entirely unideal circumstances, made even more unideal for nancy because no matter how hard she tries she can’t ignore robin buckley, who gets under her skin and stays there with her pretty feathers and quick wit, and she’s relieved that robin doesn’t recognize when the annoyed ruffling of her well kept feathers turns into flustered surprise, fluffing up where she doesn’t want them to when robin calls her a genius.
robin buckley who gets the chance to spend the day with the illusive nancy wheeler, who, according to steve, really isn’t a priss like her perfect hair, grades, and wings make her out to be. robin isn’t afraid to be herself, and all nancy’s behavior does is confuse her more, and she jumps to conclusions, and pisses her off more. when she needles nancy about her literal shot in the dark, she learns to never doubt her, and finds that they actually make a good team, with robin’s relatively open mind and nancy’s detective skills. 
its during the unseen makeover scene that nancy fully notices how messed up robin’s wings are, before she starts her makeup, insisting that if they were to be convincing robin needed neat wings (and not saying aloud that it ruffled nancy’s inner bird BAD), and robin surprisingly doesn’t fight her on it, agrees pretty quickly, and other than a few complaints when nancy pulled on a tender spot in the knots of feathers, was entirely compliant.
and yeah nancy def straddled robin trying to get into the inner part of her wings and robin had to do everything in her power to not die bc wtf nancy wheeler was literally in her lap rn
as they do more together they find that they get really good at reading each other’s weird, kinda fucked up wing quirks. robin notices that every time she thinks nancy would be bothered by something, her suspicions are affirmed by the way nancy’s wings suddenly shut off, go back to neutral, like she’s unconsciously silencing her own reaction (this gets her to back off about steve way quicker, and to pick up on nancy’s problems with jonathan faster)
nancy notices that every time she turns to share a look with robin or tries to engage in casual touches, like brushing her wings against robin’s or even holding her hand, her wings tense up, like she’s trying to physically restrain her wings from expressing her emotions, it confuses nancy, at first she’s almost hurt by it, but she quickly realizes it’s not discomfort, robin talks about stuff that makes her uncomfortable all the time without fail, this is robin trying to hide a reaction she doesn’t want nancy to see.
they don’t sort that out till later lol
how wings impact teenager plot:
ok so something plot wise does change! the lake being where the gate is is a Big Fucking Problem, because wings actively make it way harder for you to swim! like way harder! unless ur bird species is a sea bird/ducks/goose/swan/whatever water is basically a no go because feathers get soaked and heavy.
this makes steve’s volunteering way more controversial, since his wings are fucking huge, and nancy’s following way more controversial, because she’s got a LOT of feathers. also makes robin’s following  lot braver, since she’s generally not coordinated and is very likely to drown, but goes anyways. also make’s eddie’s cowardice a little less cowardly lol
it also makes the upside down way scarier, their two most proficient fighters being weighed down with soaked wings in the freezing cold upside down, they’re all effectively grounded and are forced to travel on foot. nancy’s back gets shredded, which affects how well she can move her wings, (and also adds urgency to robin getting that thing the fuck off).
also neat detail: when someone is getting vecna’d their wings go frighteningly slack, like slumped to the floor in an unnatural way that no one would do because it places them in a vulnerable position.
im probably gonna actually write out the makeover scene but im a little scared so who knows
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nancyqueerler · 2 years
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Would you be so kind to provide a ronance info dump scene? I just need them to be so soft! Or a movie night OH WAIT THEM FANGIRLING TOGETHER-
Or hcs you have and wanna share <3
Hcs at the end!
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"... You're seriously a fan of Metallica?" Robin pinched her eyes at Nancy, who shrugged.
"What's the big deal? They're cool." Nancy curved around her bed and scurried over to her cabinets, pulling out an squared black linen cloth from the back.
She had been cranking at a secret project for the entirety of Robin's ramble concerning a song Eddie had played for her at his trailer, which led to an extensive study on this so-called Metallica. Robin scoured the inches of each record shop within a twenty mile radius until she got her hands on a shiny, rectangular cassette with big, jagged letters screaming METALLICA: RIDE THE LIGHTNING in a shocking, thunderstorm blue.
"Sorry, but it's just—I never expected that Nancy Wheeler would like a hard-rock band." Robin turned on her stomach, forcing her eyes to another corner of the frustratingly pink room. The Tom Cruise poster above Nancy's nightstand shimmered, patronizing Robin with is sparkly teeth.
Nancy huffed out, and Robin couldn't tell if it was because of her comment or because of whatever she was working on at the foot of her bed.
"Metallica's just... cool, okay?" Nancy spoke with a drawl, like her tongue folded in on itself and tucked away an extra word or two. Robin knew how that felt—hell, she could feel her mouth reenacting it at that moment.
Robin sat up on Nancy's floral bedding. "I agree there, Nance. But..." She picked at the cuff of her jeans, tightening a loose thread around her index. "I don't know. They're a bit weird, don't you think? Some of their songs didn't rub off on me that well."
She treaded dangerous territory, like standing on a foot-wide, foot-long block, surrounded by a shiver of sharks—and Robin had just bled out bright red bait.
Nancy made a noise at the back of her throat. "Then, if you don't like their music all that much, why are we having this conversation?" Nancy, of course, knew why; she just did not catch on to Robin's careful plan.
If she was right about this, then she would get to experience Nancy's end and know what it's like to listen to a person yapper about a fixation. Like when Robin motormouths about how bees create honey or goes on about the underlining symbolism in movies created for children below the age of seven.
"I don't know. I guess I thought you'd have better taste in music or something." Robin let the words drip off the tip of her tongue like thick honey: slow, heavy, and impossible to scrub off.
Nancy rose and turned on her heels.
"Robin, you know good and well that you're lying." Nancy crossed an eyebrow, deadpanned, with her arms crossed over her dull brown vest. "Metallica is exactly your taste in music. Hell, even if it weren't, you'd at least appreciate the technicalities of it all."
Robin watched her. How she flung out her arms in gestures as she spoke, and how her eyes never set on anything. They wandered, fidgeted as her mind riled up in a hurricane.
"You'd even let Eddie teach you Master of Puppets on his guitar!" Nancy was completely burrowed in her brain now. Not really talking to Robin, but an empty room that had the ghost of her presence.
"Yeah, that's a good song," Robin commented, wondering if Nancy would even hear her from so back in her head.
"Yes! It is!" She did, it seemed. "And don't get me started of Fade To Black!"
A jolt lurched up in Robin, and she was suddenly on her feet beside Nancy. "Oh, hell yeah! I can feel that song right at the soles of me feet when I listen to it. Like, like it's—"
"—bouncing off the walls of her own head?" Nancy finished, and Robin swore a star at just plunged right through her pupil.
"Y—Yeah! Oh my God, and please tell me you like Seek & Destroy."
Nancy held onto Robin's shoulder. "Are you kidding? One of my favorites, Robs! Right next to Battery."
And Robin might have just imploded right there. "Why the hell have you not told me about your love for metal before?! It's official—you're coming with me over to Eddie's trailer, and we are absolutely going to blast Metallica and Black Sabbath"—Nancy's eyes blew and her mouth opened like a thought had just ruptured any and all other functions—"and we're going to lose our minds!"
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Okay, yeah, I love these girls. Nancy and Robin being metalheads is just... yeah.
HC time!
Robin is almost always the one to hyperfixate on something first, subsequently dragging Nancy into her fixations. They end up raving about the Fixation of the Week during sleepovers.
Nancy loves collecting random trinkets she finds lying around (sea shells, coins, postage stamps, etc.) while Robin likes to collect stuff like records, T-shirts, pins, etc. (things that are bought. If she spots a thrift store on a walk, she'll grab Nancy by the wrist and drag her over there.)
Robin asks Nancy to pick out a pin/patch for her Family Video uniform so she can have something of Nancy's with her at work. Nancy chooses a [insert artist/movie Robin would dislike]-themed one to annoy her.
Robin attempts to climb up to Nancy's room the same way Steve would, but finds that she's not exactly fit to haul herself up to a second-story room. So, Nancy hides a latter in the bushes for Robin to use whenever she wants to come over but can't go through the front door because of her parents.
When Nancy and Robin are not alone together, they're probably hanging out with Max. They wheel her around town, taking her to the park or the grocery store just so she's not holed up at her house all day. The gang usually tags along as well, and they all have rowdy fun when everyone's together.
Thanks for the ask! I really enjoyed writing this one.
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shopcat · 2 years
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WOOF anyway after all that i literslly don't even #love nancy all that much LOL but i'm not an idiot about it?? like yeah she was horrible to steve and they weren't good for each other and they won't BE good for each other now things ended with them in a very sad upsetting way and i can see where people come from when they say she was cruel about it and it was MESSY but she was also a GRIEVING 16 year old who had the weight of a horrible secret on her shoulders and she did NOT accuse steve of fucking. killing barb she believes she did it too!!!! she is traumatised!!! and steve was ALSO traumatised but he was dealing with it by trying to move on and live life normally and they didn't agree over this and it also sucks that she fell for jonathan so soon after and probably actually in the midst of it all but nancy is not a BAD PERSON?!
also like yeah i want steve to scream and cry and hate her i want him to get his breakdown moment over everything but especially her but then i want him to be able to move on i just want the catharsis cuz he never got the closure LOL. and i like ronance and whatever robin/vicky is too but like for ronance i want the acknowledgement there from steve that nancy really hurt him and i want him to be conflicted and scared for robin in multiple ways and i want it to be COMPLEX because he knows how much she struggles with you know BEING GAY and it would be hard for her TOO they're not like fucking. 2d beings. well they are but relationships are COMPLEX !!! feelings change and shift you can't just project your OWN hurt onto it all like yah i love robin & stve. but i also love nance 👍 but also it doesn't have to be all deep all the time like they can just be cliche romcom rose coloured glasses dynamic too who like cares
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