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chainsawb0y · 5 years

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*BURSTS DOWN DOOR* So a little birdie told me you like Batman. I want names of favorite characters, reasons why you like them, and favorite episodes/comics. GO, I WON'T HESITATE!!!!

y e s i will ABSOLUTELY tell you all my Fun Batman Opinions (specifically TAS because That’s The Best DCA Stuff imo) !! There’s gonna be a lot because I forgot how much I liked writing about Batman TAS

Top characters (in no order bc they’re all p good) (also whoops i put best eps in with some characters ayy)Mr Freeze: Sheerly cause of what Paul Dini did with his story in the TAS. I absolutely adore how they managed to turn Mr Freeze from a One Hit Joke to a real, indepth dude with a legitimate motive and a heartbreaking story. This ties into one of my fave episodes: Heart of Ice because it makes me cry. Every time I watch that episode that little bit at the end just makes me bawl. It’s such a beautiful episode and the muuusiicc.... h

Harley Quinn: she’s just??? amazing??? i love her??? she is adorable I’m sorry. I like how she’s written in the TAS because she can be that giggly cute girl BUT she can also ACTUALLY DEVISE A PLAN AND CARRY IT OUT!!!!! Like. Fave comic/episode with her is Mad Love (because of the whole ‘Harley pulls a plan off better and actually nearly nails the Bat) and also Harlequinaide because she even makes jokes about what people think about her, eg: “Joke’s on you, I’m not even a real blonde!” like oh my god h oney i love you? There are so many more reasons that she’s amazing too eg: the fact that she became a fan favourite character from her sheer existance in the animated series and the TAS comics. Like, she was immediately So Good that she’s one of the main dc villains now I find that just??? great??? also harley & ivy > harley & joker sorry i love both ships but i favour the least problematic and bad :’ )

Harvey Dent/Two Face: I used to crush on him when I was writing this huge paper on the DCAU when I was younger. I legit did. I just really like the emotional depth that’s put in Two Face (part 1 & 2). Like, in general, the emotive motive in this series is really good. Mostly though, the reason I like him so much is because of Almost Got ‘Im. And also the first Hugo Strange ep with “GET OUTTA MY FACE CLOWN!”“Which one?”and the actual look of “oh my fucking god you bitch” face that harv gives the joker ok :’)))

Baby Doll: Her episodes 1. Fucking Hurt me and 2. give me big feels cause I have horrendous babyface and its extremely frustrating to feel babied all the time just because of how i look :’)anyways I really do love her story, the similarities to child stars that were around at the time and the general messages it carries across, y’know, treat people with respect, celebrities are people too, don’t judge based on appearance etc. I just.... really like what they did with her. I like how her whole thing isn’t “IM EVIL CAUSE I WANT TO BE!” its “I’m evil because I’ve been fucked around since I was a kid, I’ve had my career fucked with because people don’t see me past my disability, I’m pissed off and now I want revenge in the form of an exploding cake filled with dynamite”

Joker: Because of both how he’s written and also because Mark Hamill Is A Good. There’s nothing like, good about him. He’s terrible. But he also makes me laugh a lot but I think most of that comes from the voice work and the writing. He’s a stinky clown but he’s like, written so well that he’s especially stinky but also you still can’t help but.... kinda like him???

Favourite Episodes:

Mad Love: It was such a faithful adaptation of the comic. Like, it legitimately just felt like someone had put the comic on screen and just dubbed it or something. It’s just................ good episode :’ ) one thing I wasn’t super into tho was the redesigns for Batman And Robin like oof ow the edges are sharp

Feat of Clay p2: I’m a huge animation nerd so the constant turning from one role to another while Clayface is freaking the fuck out was just absolutely hypnotic to watch. The animation was so smooth and so pretty I just couldn’t stop myself watching it like 10 times over again.

Baby Doll: see above :’ ) also Alan Young.

Almost Got ‘Im: The premise of all the villains playing poker together was amazing. Whoever just thought “hey, lets just have like, 5 bad guys shoot the shit and play poker together and see what happens” needs like $100. The character interaction was hilarious, with the call backs to previous episodes like with Ivy poisoning Harvey.

Trial: Same thing about villains interacting but moreso on the moral compass questioning. the whole “who is the real villain” thing especially. The viewpoint of Batman being the cause of these villains existing being brought into light is something that’s a legitimate question that whole episode but the justification Bats gives with the whole “You would have been bad in other ways if I wasn’t around” is actually a really good point to observe and it... just makes me like that ep ykno

with the comics it’s the usual, Mad Love, Killing Joke. I feel bad because I’ve consumed more animated media because I get overwhelmed by large amounts of text sometimes :’’’ )))

tbh theres probably waaaaaay more to this list but i was gonna make a point of rewatching all of TAS anyways !!

#im yelling i love batman #also aaaaaaa snark !! hi !!#yall and mica are awesome artists : DDD #darkwingsnark

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princessnijireiki · 6 years

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If an older Batman made a young adult clone of himself, with all his knowledge, personality traits and some of his memories, trained him for ten years until the clone has enough experience to be on par to how he was in his prime, how would the Bat Family react if they knew about Batclone soon after the original Bruce shortly died of old age and a hologram of his told the Bat Fam' about him? Note: This scenario could happen in ANY DC universe.

I’m gonna be real & let you know I don’t really read DC (I don’t really read Marvel either lol but I have more of that under my belt), so ig I’ll answer for my limited knowledge of Bruce’s 15 million wards & the DCAU. Thus far there hasn’t been much utilization of the BatFam in the live action movies, so it’s probably pretty irrelevant.

Also this is about to be long as all hell, so I’m moving this under a readmore cut to spare folks’ dashboards lol.

First things first, the major spoiler for the finale of Batman Beyond revealed that Amanda Waller pulled a “Boys From Brazil” & hacked Terry McGinnis’s father’s DNA somehow to like… force his sperm to carry Bruce Wayne’s DNA, and was gonna have his parents killed in front of him to make a Batman 2.0 but her assassin fell through. So he’s Bruce’s biological son & has been all along.

It was the wackest possible scenario tbh that imo completely undermined both Bruce choosing Terry as a protegé off the streets (though Bruce didn’t know at the time, it still sort of undercut the message that background & backstory don’t matter as much as choosing dedication & doing the right thing yk? Terry was just a random kid of the streets with a criminal record who’d done a stint in juvie, but even he could still become Batman; biological predetermination & genetically engineering him into the role is awkward after 3 seasons of this character being a sort of underdog who made good). Particularly since iirc there were implications that Waller’s DNA overwrites made Terry effectively more of a clone.

Unlike “Boys From Brazil,” though, no one goes out of their way to point out that duplication of genes & tragic circumstances do not create a duplicate person, or even duplicate interests or life paths. It’s an excellent film & novel (or at least I remember it as being really good; haven’t seen it in 15yrs), but the point is that you cannot & should not engineer people’s lives like that, and human free will— not nature, not nurture, but individual spirit that makes each person themselves— trumps blood & circumstance almost every time.

So my baseline in cloning for a “purpose” is already honestly 1. this is an evil reason to have kids in general, 2. definitely a classic staple of scifi evil, and 3. I’ve hated it in DC properties before (Superboy’s story is SO WEIRD & UNCOMFORTABLE), and hated it especially in Batman to the point of tbh rejection of that information as canon for Batman Beyond bc it would otherwise literally ruin the show for me.

Beyond that, I think the BatFam would have ethical objections. A few of them might reject Bruce 2.0, especially if his behavior towards them was haughty or like— attempting to step into Old Bruce’s role of leadership over THEM, when they just don’t even know this guy. Especially since that would also be an incredibly intense gesture of Old Bruce having no faith at all in his prior wards, sidekicks, protegés, and biological child(ren). I think there would be a lot of indignation & anger, but again, depending on Bruce 2.0’s personality, protectiveness towards him— bc Bruce essentially engineered tragedy & pain into this person and stripped him of access to a normal life or happiness or a family in pursuit of a paranoid goal.

Keeping in mind also that the Lazarus Pit is a thing (is it still a thing? idk where it is but like— it’s a feature in Jason Todd’s story & I do know Ra’s al-Ghul is Damian’s maternal grandfather, so… if it’s a thing there’s def theoretical access; even besides the CW Gotham series having Ra’s and young Bruce directly interact quite a bit), it’s very weird for a character who has this thing very prominently in his life to… idk, forego THAT, but be okay with essentially torturing a clone, basically acting exactly like Lex Luthor towards Superboy, except using only his own DNA.

(Note: iirc there was/is? also a same-age clone of Bruce in CW Gotham, played by the same actor in a bad wig, but the dynamic there is very different than what’s being asked here. And I believe both Bruce & Alfred raised ethical concerns about the boy’s welfare & existence etc. as soon as he showed up and they realized what was going on. Selina Kyle also had interactions with him & worries in her own way.)

As another aside, switching gears to Marvel for a minute: Peter Parker’s also been cloned a few times (mainly by villains) and had his backstory imprinted on those same-age clones. It causes a lot of strife every time, particularly when each man has to grapple with having or denying access to May or Mary Jane, for example, and all of everybody’s guilt issues, and self doubt as to whether each of them is “real” or not. I don’t recall how cartoons have handled it, but in the comics, they acknowledge that a clone is effectively a genetically engineered identical twin, NOT a child— and in the Mayday Parker Spider-Girl comics (not Araña), they say Peter’s clone in that continuity changes his name to Ben Parker & moves upstate, away from all the chaos of NYC. Spider-Girl refers to him as her uncle/Uncle Ben since that is, both in a familial sense & genetically speaking, who & what he is.

Marvel is inconsistent about this, notably with Laura Kinney (X-23) & Logan, though the age gap lends itself to a parental relationship anyway… and in Laura’s debut (like Terry McGinnis & Harley Quinn, she was originally developed as a cartoon character & migrated from there to the comics), Logan is enraged & distraught that someone would do everything that has happened to him to a little kid, including training her as a killer. He tracks her down & smuggles her over the border into the Canadian wilderness to keep her away from both the people who made/abused her & SHIELD. She does eventually come back ofc; and her origin story & circumstances in the movies differs as well, as does Logan’s reaction to her. But it’s worth pointing out both those Marvel clone narratives just in terms of relationship dynamics, ethics, and imo “normal” realistic reactions to both having been cloned & knowing that clone has been mistreated to create a second, weaponized you.

To say nothing of like… the pain & drama & emotional complexities associated irl with siblings or twins who are separated & only find themselves late in life, or how families cope with gaining “surprise” relatives from genetic testing or people searching them out.

I know this is already a long ass answer, but… it’s just one of those things that the question itself says a LOT about Bruce & his ethics as a person, who recorded a hologram to basically devastate his family post-mortem— and possibly says something about Alfred keeping Bruce “in check” in life, bc I feel pretty secure in assuming he’s dead as well if Bruce dies of old age, and probably wouldn’t condone this. Like it’s not just “how do you feel about New Bruce,” it’s “wow, Bruce just fucked up like ten separate people’s lives from beyond the grave.”

Especially if this clone is younger than any of the old wards/kids now— even if we say Bruce starts taking on teenagers & children in his early to mid 30s at youngest up to his 50s at oldest, and except for Damian, none are younger than 14 or so (which is really young; we’re being generous with math here)… and that Bruce dies no younger than 65-70… that means his earliest Robins/Batgirls would be at least in THEIR 30s-50s. Jason Todd might physically be younger (idk what his aging process is like tbh), but psychologically this would be a grown ass to middle aged man at his absolute youngest. Barbara Gordon started out older than the others did. Kate is Bruce’s cousin & her career started much later than theirs did, but she’d be long in the tooth, too.

So if we say a “young adult” clone starts out somewhere between 15-21, gets a decade of training in, and then Old Bruce dies, you have a 25-31yo New Batman— grown in a lab & getting his ass kicked every day in secret for ten years, for some old man’s twisted sense of breaking a young man & depriving him of a family that’s literally ALREADY RIGHT THERE, UPSTAIRS, all for Gotham’s “greater good"— trying to step into this role & potentially trying to tell these 30-50+ year olds (again, at youngest, AND assuming Bruce didn’t live to like 85 or something, which would skew everyone else much older) what to do. When like… not to be too galaxy brain about it, but like I said, that’s definitely villain material in DC & in the Batman franchise alike. If the BatFam was young, it would be hard, but as grown ass people themselves, it’s nothing short of horrifying.

And I would hope they treat this kid better than Old Bruce did, but a lot depends on who Bruce 2.0 is as a person. Will he allow himself to try out a normal life? Will he try to fight the family he got overnight? Does he know about them? How does he feel about Old Bruce? How will he feel knowing that his tragic backstory isn’t from villains or his “parents” getting shot, it’s literally all artificial & arbitrary machinations of Old Bruce? Does he even actually want to be there, or is that just all he knows? Because he’s not a robot, he’s not Old Bruce made young or inherently a duplicate of Old Bruce by dint of DNA, he’s a person who got royally fucked over by the BatFam’s dead dad slash mentor figure and dropped into their laps to sort out the trauma & aftermath & pick up the pieces. So tl;dr it’s hard to speculate for a lot of involved reasons that have moving parts, but either way: What The Whole Fuck, Batman?

#this post is… long as shit #but i clearly have a lot of opinions on scifi cloning #(which is also why even though people hate the movie ''the island'' i actually like it lol #like yeah it's stupid but it's a movie about ethics not about fucking logic. duh)#frostbite883 #asks #batman

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semiconducting · 7 years

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okay so i wanna give my share of thoughts on wonder woman!!

spoilers under the cut lmao

alright so? holy shit first of all i absolutely loved it to death i was sitting there talking to my best friend who went to see it with me the entire time and just. screaming abt it honestly my mom told me to quiet down a couple of times lmao

so i suppose like it’s a very similar story to the 2009 animated film (though im sure this is kind of a staple plotline for wonder woman leaving themyscira and all, it’s been done a lot, it’s just a part of her story) except it was like. actually done well.

so to begin i really do love how they portrayed the amazons and themyscira, it was so beautiful and i loooove all the diverse women of all colours there. like it made my heart sing thank GOD. i do wish more of them had speaking roles, but i suppose i understand it being partially focused strictly on diana and her becoming a warrior or w/e between antiope’s encouragement and hippolyta’s dismay. but it would have been nice. i do wish to see more of the amazon mythos in films honestly because as entertaining as her adventures with the justice league and such are, i really want there to be more emphasize how crucial they are to who she is! she’s the child of the amazons my dude

also the island itself does remind me of living/touring in europe and i also really hope they based some of it off of turkish architecture? since themyscira is placed in turkey. but idk man.

the scenes with the germans coming to themyscira and how they portrayed the mirage/cloak/whatever was super cool, honestly. cheesy-ish but fun. i loved introducing steve and showing the amazons ready to fight. the bit with the first bullet killing one of them literally got a verbal reaction out of me and the battle was sooooo fucking COOL. as much as i hate war/brutal death scenes, just for my own reasons, it was quick and also just. really what it should have been.

antiope’s death really kinda pissed me off but i just am not a fan of death so early in a film to fuel a character idk. idk man. i guess i should’ve expected especially bc i recognized her tiara as the one diana wears so it. it was there.

i’m glad that she got a role, for sure, but ngl i thought she was supposed to be artemis at first and im kinda disappointed that artemis wasn’t. there. but i mean i love artemis so dsfjd

steve was genuinely good in this film. and i mean really, really good. i’ve never really liked steve trevor, a lot of the times because hes just a boring “charming” soldier (thinking dcau justice league) or a sexist, not-all-men type fucker (ww 2009) and just. ew. but in this film he was like, genuinely funny and sweet and really worth being the love interest. i love that he never took her naivety to take advantage of her, as simple a concept it sounds but it was something that made me smile especially because i just. tensed up at every opportunity that it could have happened. and it didn’t. bless.

the romance was so gradual, it wasn’t a priority, it didn’t take over the plot and the little bits were so cute and it was like? actually likable? holy shit

i REALLY loved doctor poison and god i wish she got so much more screentime than fucken. ludendorf? :/ but every scene with her was amazing i LOOOOVE her mask design and shit, i really wish we could’ve expanded more on her and i would soooo appreciate having just. extra scenes with more on her working/the experiments because that was SO fucked up and well done. a perfect placement for world war i, too, since chemical warfare a huge part of it and all

also i dig the wwi backdrop? wonder woman fighting in a world war is always something that i need in my wondy mythos, though i always figured it was world war ii because of the comics originating in that time period and whatnot.

it, however, was a great choice as a background for the grey-morality plotline, and showing that all sides of war are flawed. instead of world war ii, which, frankly, the nazis should and always should be seen as objectively bad from any standpoint, and standing against them is not.

but yes! grey-morality was very well done here and it’s great to pair with a newly-introduced-to-the-world wonder woman. like GOD i hate born-sexy-yesterday troped wonder woman because it is so so so easy to paint her that way, but just so wrong. she’s not stupid or clueless, and it bugs the hell out of me because it just. throws her as a man-hating violent “feminist” or w/e and just. hlfgh.

however they didnt do that here, while still keeping her naive to introduce that whole grey morality and choosing whats right for yourself, not because everyone is objectively good and one bad man can be stopped to save everyone. her innocence wasnt just because she was amazonian in “man’s world,” because she was shown to be naive and ideological with the amazons themselves as well. it made all the difference and settled one of my biggest fears for this movie

by the way! the clothes scenes and bits with etta were so cute! etta candy was ABSOLUTELY adorable and such a good part of the film, thank god.

also in general it was so pretty? the scenes were so well done and the cinematography was GORGEOUS especially the fight scenes. fuck man fight scenes are so good on the eyes. the choreography was great, i digged the occasional cartoony punch-drop bit? im sure theres a name for the trope but idk how to describe it. also i know so many people have issues with the slo-mo but honestly it didn’t bother me at all, it didn’t feel cheesy to me and i actually thought they did wonderfully by timing it right to place such good emphasis on it? also all the flips and take downs and fUCK man im jsut. oooo i cant wait to watch that again.

also the jumping on shields/that shingle the boys were holding up for her? good fuckin. fuck. AAAAAAAAAA

and goodness diana was so cute. her gasping and going “a babyyyy!!” made me smile oomg. and the ice cream bit. i love the wonder woman ice cream bit she’s so fucking cute. mhm. i love her constant protesting and not quieting the fuck down when steve was trying to reason with her, like she just. it’s so refreshing to see, yknow? and always proving everyone wrong and choosing to save everyone when she’s told she can’t. goooooood that’s a wonder woman i love.

her saving the village and all the celebration was adorable too. but it made the death all the more heartbreaking and just. :(

i’m so glad they made diana a bringer of peace, because any war-mongering wonder woman just isnt her in my books. like i dont mind her not having a no-kill rule? it is necessary sometimes. but she won’t perpetuate an unnecessary fight. war must be stopped. all that. yeah.

which brings me to ares. i feel like the plot twist could’ve brought more hints, because there was no indication that the peace-brokering brit should’ve been the god of war. it kinda made me just. :/ it was pretty clear ludendorf wasnt gonna be him, but i didnt like whatshisface to be ares. sure i dont mind the whole, he inspires war but doesnt control it i suppose, but to literally be a peace-advocate? kinda defeats his purpose imo.

also good guy zeus. lmfao. anyway

speaking of zeus fuck did i not enjoy diana ~ACTUALLY BEING THE DAUGHTER OF ZEUS~ i was afraid it would come and i was so sad to see them take being molded from clay away from her. it made me roll my eyes. stop doing this to her tbh let her not have a ~manly~ influence, tbh? like i just read someone else’s review that mentioned a better take would’ve been to make her an incarnate of athena and like. yeah? yeah. no look i want my wonder woman completely originating free of any man’s influence.

oo and also. the guys she ran around with. idk what to call them but sameer the chief and charlie. they were absolutely adorable, honestly? they were well rounded, enjoyable characters with depth and i appreciate them being flawed. best sidekicks she could have for this movie, tbh. i really REALLY enjoyed sameer being there, because shit! not a total translation but any bit of representation of a race similar to mine is greatly appreciated. also the over-exaggerated stereotype when they were sneaking into the party? great. loved it. made me laugh so hard.

also they were REALLY daring with recognizing the whole, fuckin, white man taking from the native americans shit? damn. that was unexpected but appreciated.

and charlie was cute, the whole singing part was so sweet a bit of his character and i love how they portrayed his ptsd. it’s ugly, it’s not poetic or anything, it’s very realistic and i love what they did with it.

also the music was absolutely beautiful and i lost my mind every time wonder woman’s theme came up. dude. good shit.

anyway i’ve run out of steam and coherence but it was a fantastic movie, 9.5/10, i definitely recommend going to watch it. it was such a satisfying way to finally place her on the big screen and just incredibly well done. bravo to everyone who was involved.

#also i got a free poster and some free comics so that was awesome #dc #wonder woman #wonder woman movie #idk how im gonna tag it i might change it later #anyway #gggggggg this is mostly me rambling about things i thought but in short #it was VERY good #my posts #shut up megan

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