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starburstdragon · 3 months
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imustbenuts · 7 months
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Reading Grima as an Abrahamic god stand-in in the world of Fire Emblem, and how that is filling in gaps in the narrative.
Preface: this is one possible interpretation out of many, and I will be talking about this pov as a person who resides in SEA.
To get to understand this worldview though, some very dry explanations need to be done, but I'll do my best.
First, an overview of Grima.
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Grima in FE: Awakening's story functions as a god of annihilation/death. They are worshiped and brought back into the world by the Grimleals, an extremist religious group in Plegia, which is visually middle eastern desert-ish.
Meanwhile, their Japanese name is actually Gimlé, a reference to the Norse mythos of the place where survivors of Ragnarok (an end of the world apocalyptic event where gods duke it out way too hard) are foretold to live. It's a super pretty place, almost heavenly.
So there is some credence here to hint that Grimleals are the extremist sect, and that Grima inherently isn't good or evil, but possibly a death god closer to the likes of Anubis or Hades. This can then explain why Plegians who aren't extremists are said to be pretty chill.
Anyway, moving on, because I need to explain the next bit to really highlight how much he looks like an Abrahamic god to a someone like me.
FE's world is structurally polytheistic. Or, Shinto Buddhist.
On the surface, FE puts forth the idea of polytheism in the form of multiple Dragons, without a singular clear, definite distinction for what threshold exactly qualifies one to be a legit God vs just-a-dragon. In fact, it can be summed up as "this one is powerful enough to do things, and/or because we decided so" by the people.
So, that tracks with the belief system in place in Japan and really, the whole of Asia in general. Polytheism is the norm, rather than mono. In this view, any being which are not human all belong into the classification of supernatural, so the question of how god-like they are matters after they are able to pass a certain threshold of power or worshiping status.
A popularity contest of spirits/gods, if you want to put it that way. In fact, lots of eastern gods irl are like this. Power often doesn't factor into things, since these gods are very closely associated with nature in some form, and their popularity in history is very dependent on events.
In fact, Japan follows Shinto Buddhism, a polytheistic belief. Technically made of 2 parts.
Shinto supplies the idea that Gods (or rather, kamis) in general cannot be perceived, and that they must be loved and nurtured to gain their favor. Disregarding them brings instead disharmony and destruction. Shrines are one such places where the love and nurturing or the disregard can be seen/done. (Thebes labyrinth, anyone? 😉👌)
The other, Buddhism. Also polytheistic due to reframing gods as just other beings trying to break out of the cycle of samsara. Buddha is technically not a god, but a title, and an idol to look to to remember the teachings of how to break out of this cycle, by understanding suffering and how to end it.
In some ways, Naga, the biggest defacto "god" which is treated as the 'proper' God by the narrative, is actually more of a Buddha. Her voice lines in FEH even points to this:
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Meanwhile, Libra uses the plural, gods. Frederick's famous crit quote is "Pick a god and pray."
That is what I mean by FE being structurally Shinto Buddhist.
Meanwhile, Abrahamic religion is monotheistic.
Without getting too deep into the details and scholarly debates of it, or even the multiple branches of religion, the singular God in this family does not want his followers to turn their eyes towards other false gods. One is meant to devote themself entirely to this God, follow his teachings and live a life he deems worthy to live with him in the beautiful, heavenly afterlife.
Failure to do so will mean a divine retribution of sorts, but often in the form of eternal damnation.
Another noteworthy bit, Abrahamic religion originated from the place we call the Cradle of Civilization, also known as the Middle East. Which, you know. Deserts.
And now, the pieces of Grima being a Abrahamic god stand-in starts to form. And that then explains a lot of other mundane unexplained bits too.
Basically, Grima is the patron deity of the Plegians, who reside in the harsh desert.
If we assume that normal Plegians are pretty chill despite Grima being associated with straight up annihilation, then a pretty good extrapolation would be that Grima is a watcher type deity of the afterlife for their worship. This type is typically popular as they soothe the anxiety of what happens to a person after death, explaining that there is something else other than pure emptiness, which frankly can kick many people's existential dread into overdrive.
Which, if one really thinks about it, the Abrahamic religion and their God kind of is this.
God watches a human, then judges them for their actions in life when their time is up. In some interpretations afaik, God can also be seen as a 'system' or a 'higher conscious', but the idea of being able to join with him is still the same. This is still the ultimate honor and bliss, ie, heavenly.
But in order to do so, one must wholly devote themself to him. Spread his word. Ignore all other Gods. You know how it goes.
With Grima, this bit manifests in how Grima kills Naga in the Future Past DLC. Even Tiki became a target, who wants to become the next Naga in it. (Which btw this wouldn't make sense unless one treats the word, Naga, as a title, which tracks.)
So. In conclusion.
What I'm trying to say here is that Grima is easily read as a monotheistic, or even a Christian god to many people on this side of the planet. Because there has been precedent in extremism when it comes to religion associated with Abrahamic religion, and this is how it's being expressed through the writers when they create FE.
And yet, because either the world of FE is structurally shinto buddhist, or the writers are, this is the result, and why I have interpreted Grima as this.
There are also elements of that mistreatment of a god narrative going on in FE:A that I think is worth talking about for Grima, too. I'm almost certain that the writers are not saying Grima is inherently evil, in fact, the narrative of good and evil in FE is often easily explained by characters being dreadfully flawed, and even human. And because of how Gods have this piece of humanity in them, it's possible for so many narratives to be the way they are.
And maaaybe why they decided to put Grima in a cat costume for Halloween banner with all the funny lines that comes with them. I think.
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And that's about it, really. Ask is always open. Thanks for reading! 🎃🎃
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felikatze · 5 months
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Grimleal Studies: A Masterpost
Hi. I have been inspired to compile the immense body of work generated by my fellow Grimleal about everybody's favorite maggot. A lot of these are also mine, because, yeah.
These are all of varying length and style by various authors, so obviously not one congruent opinion. We all have different interpretations, after all. Additonally, this is NOT the full breadth of everything that exists, because tumblr search is, not good.
Also known as: I wish Tumblr had nested bullet points, the post.
Bolded for personal recommendations, though everything here is worth reading, honestly.
Required Reading:
Valentian Accordion: Secrets of Thabes Labyrinth
Awakening and beyond:
Grima = Robin Reincarnation Theory (the-priestess-of-dawn) [THE classic Grima essay]
check out Dawn's masterpost while you're at it, so I don't have to reiterate everything she's ever written (it's all very good)
Grima: One Guy in Two Trenchcoats (meeeee)
FP Grima is Tired (cannibal-lesbian)
Reading Grima as an Abrahamic god stand-in in the world of Fire Emblem, and how that is filling in gaps in the narrative. (imustbenuts)
Id, Ego, and Superego as applied to Chrom, Robin, and Lucina (thanatophagency)
Robin, Grima, and Fighting Your Own Nature (ro-botany)
Why does Grima have two bodies? (me <3 ft. Dawn)
On Chrom and Robin instantly hitting it off in Awakening (gimureifeathers)
Grima & personal agency (cannibal-lesbian) [prose]
Naga's treatment of Grima (iturbide ft dawn and cannibal-lesbian)
Guilt-complex Naga (dawn)
Contextualization of Grima's Echoes backstory (iturbide)
Echoes & Agency (ro-botany ft. the whole gang, really)
The Anatomy of Grima:
Grima anatomy per the Awakening artbook (dawn)
RE: Grima having a tongue (cannibal-lesbian ft. the-priestess-of-dawn)
Heroes:
Depths of Despair's continuity (dawn ft. me n salem)
What's up with Brave Robin's Forging Bonds? (me <3, ft. many people with cool opinions)
Let's talk about Grima's personal morals (cannibal-lesbian)
On the Characteristics of the Risen, and the Character of their King (ro-botany ft. the whole gang, really)
Addition 1 & Addition 2 (thanatophagency)
The Risen King and his Tactician (ro-botany)
Additional discussions:
Sombron's Cobra Dragon Form is a call-out to Buddhist Nagas. Or: wait, are Divine and Fell Dragons really that different? (imustbenuts)
Are Dragons mammals? + Addendum (Original post by me, major additions by ro-botany)
An Attempt at a Semi-Realistic Analysis of Thoron Stab Wounds (ro-botany)
The Different Kinds of Risen (dawn)
Resplendant Tiki (iturbide)
Sombron & Grima comparison (thanatophagency, dawn, cannibal-lesbian)
Additional notes:
A lot of us have started keeping track of these! Check out Grima Studies on my blog or dawn's, or Grimleal Studies on ro-botany's.
Accolades! Check out these guys, they're very cool!
cannibal-lesbian
felikatze (meeeeeee)
gimureifeathers
imustbenuts
iturbide
thanatophagency
the-priestess-of-dawn
ro-botany
And if you read all these, congrats! You are now a certified grimleal scholar!
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fore-seer · 1 year
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downed and drowned
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nm-mattuz · 3 months
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I just watched the princess bride, so...
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//Let our hearts connect through our lips// 
Fire emblem various, first kiss drabbles
Edelgard’s nerves are tempting her to retreat. Only for her pride to demand she stays and drives forward. She’s fought in battlefields with near impossible odds against her at every move, and yet... she finds you far more daunting. Not you as an individual, you as the influence you have on her. No one makes her heart stir so great, or for her to hesitate so much. She knows now is the moment, now that you’re both alone, close together as the sun starts to set. It’s when you look at her, waiting, that she finally rallies up the courage to lean across and press her lips to yours. 
You should be grateful. Grima can take as they please, knowing a life of great offerings for every whim they could have prior to being summoned to your cause. And yet they are ever patient with you, as it’s clear by how many heroes clamor for shreds of your time that your affection has some merit to it. For a human that it is. But their patience has grown thin, you’re skittish. Letting something as worthless as embarrassment get in the way when they finally seem to get close enough. “Human, come here.” Not this time, they have you to themselves. And when you do come close, you’re being pulled into their lap, a heated kiss only a starting point for the affection they plan on claiming from you. 
It should be easy, all Inigo needs to do is ask if he can kiss you. How hard could it be? He can practically tell you anything, from bad jokes which if they don’t make you laugh you at least smile, to whatever is bothering him at the time and when he does you’re always sympathetic. But as he looks between you, your lips and the vacant space behind you, he realises it is in fact quite difficult to ask you such a thing. He’s considering making a quick escape when you start to pout at him. “You know for someone who talks a big game, I’m disappointed that you haven’t asked to kiss me yet.” He sputters an excuse that he was just about to do that, you don’t seem convinced but he doesn’t let it stop him from finally asking you the question. When you say yes, he wastes no time to make his move, all his nerves from earlier spilling away as he kisses you. 
Alfonse isn’t normally so forward. It seems that whenever you’re involved impulsiveness becomes an apparent trait in him, to the point that at times his own actions surprise himself. It was coincidental running into you so late, however a moment where it’s just you and him is rare, an opportunity he quickly snatches by asking you to walk with him. You’ve both paused, noting how bright the moon is and as he stares at you, he finds that it’s light behind you has formed a halo. He’s in awe as he reaches out and presses a hand to your face, only becoming aware of his actions after he does so. A silence falls over you both, waiting for a reaction or action from the other. He decides, that since he’s already come this far, to close the gap between you, eventually causing his lips to meet against yours. 
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rosecelebi · 7 months
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Posting my favorite FEH Meet the Heroes art every day
Male Grima
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kplays · 3 months
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Robin still lives through even this despair
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kauniia · 2 years
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halloween grima for halloweenie
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pansexualkiba · 11 months
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grimafuckers question: does grima lay eggs
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eway · 7 months
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I fixed him. Now the eyes are more connected and his normal eyes are red!
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starburstdragon · 1 year
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I had a vision
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silvaruslupus · 2 years
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New Grima dropped, new +10 target acquired
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felikatze · 1 year
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Grima: One Guy In Two Trenchcoats
Let‘s establish: Is Robin possessed or not? Well, I argue…. no.
There‘s a huge difference between one character being controlled by another with no agency in their actions, and someone struggling against their own conflicting nature. Personally, the latter allows for much more depth on Grima‘s part, instead of „ohhh poor Robin :(„
On that question, Robin certainly believes they‘re the same being. Future Past Robin, that is.
Welcome, to Grima apologism hours, in which i do not repent, and overanalyze how my favorite maggot is Complex, actually.
Fire Emblem Awakening‘s Future Past DLC allows a glimpse into an alternate future destroyed by Grima, one extremely similar but ever so slightly different than the one Lucina hails from.
In the „bad end“ of the DLC, achieved if any of the future children (excluding Lucina) die before defeating Grima in Future Past 3, Grima and Lucina hold an extended conversation that gives us a lot of perspective on Grima.
Wherein before Grima shrouded his vessel in shadow, those shadows have lifted and Lucina comes to slowly recognize Robin. She asks if Robin can be saved somehow if Grima is defeated, and very much believes them to be distinct beings. At this moment of Grima‘s weakness, Robin can „shine through“ and speak their own desires without Grima‘s influence, or so it seems.
Robin disagrees.
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Lucina: You‘re human, aren‘t you- a person, like us? Grima is using you to-
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Grima: ...I am Grima! There is nothing human about me!
Lucina: …..
Grima: ...I have always been the fell dragon… since the day I was born…
There we have it, right from the horse‘s mouth.
Lucina is convinced she is talking to Robin, and I‘d agree. Compared to Grima‘s usual behaviour, Robin is much calmer, and speaks more rationally. In addition, their text is formatted different. Grima‘s speech is peppered with bold and bright red text to highlight his wrath, whereas Robin‘s speech features many ellipses, likely to punctuate their fading strength.
And yet, the speech associated with Robin „taking back control“ has them directly admit to being the fell dragon. Previously in this scene, Robin also blames themself for the harm brought to the world.
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Grima: „… I snuffed out the very Voice of the divine dragon… and I just finished killing the friends you sent for the Gemstones…“
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„Don‘t you hate me? I‘m the cause for all of this.“
Robin takes responsibility in the first person. If they were truly possessed in this instance, they‘d shift the blame to Grima, but they do not.
Even Naga acknowledges that it was the fell dragon that teleported Chrom and Robin from the main game to safety, an action we‘d associate with Robin thwarting Grima‘s control to keep their friends safe.
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Go King get that Dissonance!
Naga: „Hm? The fell dragon returned you here… Is everything all right?“
What do I mean by „dissonance“? Well, I‘ve said that Robin admits they and Grima are one being. There are many points where Grima doesn‘t, however. And that‘s like, weird, right. I mean, Future Past Grima does this too, when I‘ve been using Future Past Robin as proof.
I think we all remember the famous “the man who owned this body” line.
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But let‘s point out when Grima does this. To taunt others. In Future Past, Grima brings up Robin‘s love for Chrom to enrage Lucina, and in the maingame, it precedes the final battle, too, though more indirectly, as Grima asks Robin to “join them.” It solidifies Grima‘s appearance as the big bad who must be killed, all typical FE antagonist trash talk, really. Gets you rearing to kill this guy!
Which might be the point.
It‘s an oddity that Grima wants Robin to be remembered fondly. And it‘s a recurring one. Remember how Grima will differentiate between themself and Robin, but Robin won‘t?
On the final map, Grima offers Robin the chance to give themself up in exchange for the Shepherd‘s lives. No matter what you choose, battle commences regardless.
But….
If Robin refuses Grima:
Robin: Do you think me a fool? You'll kill them anyway!
Grima: ...Well, of COURSE I would. I only thought you might want to leave your comrades with a heroic, selfless image. ...But so be it. Leave them with the final memory that you were their undoing!
And if Robin accepts Grima:
Robin: First, let my friends go... You promised to spare them.
Grima: Oh come now, we both knew that was never going to happen... But I am not altogether cruel... I did spare you the pain of damning them openly.
Robin: You…
Grima: In truth, I simply don't understand why you care so deeply for the creatures... No matter. Your soul is mine now; you cannot escape. Your mind will descend into the shadow of my own!
„I only thought you might want to leave your comrades with a heroic, selfless image.“ Grima is offering for Robin to martyr themself, and for Grima to be the undisputed villain of this story. It‘s the same thing that happened with Morgan. Morgan doesn‘t remember Grima, only the kind and caring Robin.
This leads me to believe that Grima‘s theatrics, the whole „I am the breath of ruin and the wings of despair“-spiel, is a mask.
In Future Past, Grima knows they need to die. Future Past Grima basically admits to being suicidal. Just look at the bad ending!
Grima: ...Don't you hate me? ...I'm the cause of all of this... ...If it weren't for me, you would never have had to take up the sword... ...You and your loved ones would be living in peace... ...I am to blame for everything... ...You must destroy me, Lucina…
And furthermore… in the Future Past 3 good ending, before Lucina strikes the final blow, Grima turns into a green unit.
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For just a second. And then they‘re dead.
Grima: ...At last...I can rest... ...No one else...will suffer... ...because of me... ...Thank...you... ...I hope your lives are...filled... ...with...joy... ...... ...... ...Morgan...please forgive me... ...I put you through...so...much... ...... ......
Grima, Robin, desperately wishes they weren‘t Grima. That Robin is all there was. They wish so badly that they could just stay with the Shepherds, with the people they love. And they love so much. They still love Chrom, they still love Morgan, but Grima needs to die for the world to be saved.
But if Grima makes themself into a big bad villain with no redeeming qualities, if Grima taunts and riles up, then maybe everyone will forget that they‘re Robin, too. And everyone can remember Robin fondly. Robin is the human part of Grima, and who they wish to be.
What does it mean for Grima to follow Lucina back in time? It's as Naga said; only Grima's own power can end him for good. If Robin never awakened, Grima's power would remain in the world, sealed inside the Dragon's Table for eternity, or perhaps, until another reincarnation of Grima came along. Instead, Grima takes that power onto himself (so Robin does not, cannot),with just enough left to end it all. Grima knows that he must die.
There are some very notable moments when Grima does call himself and Robin one. However, these moments have something in common; Grima is talking to Robin.
In Invisble Ties, this is most evident. 
???: I told you. I'm Robin. The Robin that murdered you and became the fell dragon, Grima. When this "Marth" of yours decided to come back in time...I came with her.
Grima is Robin, burdened by fate, weighed down by grief and madness and a lifetime of horrible choices.
Robin has become his own murderer. To be dead is better than to be Grima.
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manaketemillennium · 2 years
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✨3 days left before pre-orders✨
Tremble in fear before the adorable Grima Worm Acrylic Charm designed by Haleysaur
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nm-mattuz · 10 months
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Perfect.
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