Octavian diplomatically, before going into senate: Look, I know we have this unspoken rivalry thing -

Percy: It’s not a rivalry. You’re just mean to me. And it’s not unspoken. You literally talk about it all the time.

Octavian: Irrelevant. We have to work together so let’s be civil for the time being.

A classic Greek vs Roman situation

Som I'm listening to "We will stand for everfree" from mlp equestria girls(don't ask why) and the song kind of makes me think of what would happen if during the roman invasion in HOO an all out war broke out because of it. Like if Gaia hadn't even woken up and the giants all defeated obviously , then i think the greeks would have probably won. They might not have the numbers but many of them have experience in fighting armies way bigger than theirs and this time the enemy/invading forces don't have a bunch of titans/immortals on their side, they are literally fighting in the greeks home turf and i don't remember the books mentioning the campers taking down any defences from SOM and BOTL so there's that too. If it were to happen i like to think that Percy would side with CHB because he knows them personally he grew and fought along side them for years, he only knew the romans for like 3 days and most that time they didn't trust him. He doesn't have the same with the romans that he does the greeks.

Not to get pedantic (oh who am i kidding that’s most of this blog) but I am genuinely fascinated by the potential applications of the established canon in HoO and TOA that the gods canonically have both historic and regional forms, and can appear as specific versions of those forms and have kids of those specific forms, which influence what powers the kid has/what pantheon they fall under/etc etc (and also the implication that demigods can be born under multiple forms of a singular deity). This is somewhat backed up even earlier in the first series when we’re told that Percy has earthquake powers because of his father being Poseidon “The Earthshaker” (which is Mycenaean Poseidon) - which could also tie into why Percy generally takes leadership roles, is hopping in and out of the Underworld a lot, and is apparently particularly powerful for even just a Big 3 kid, since all that would line up with Mycenaean Poseidon being generally put at the head of the pantheon and also being a chthonic deity.

Now this gets really interesting when we start looking at deities being combined and conflated, because a.) the Romans weren’t the only ones doing that and b.) the Romans had their own gods originally, they didn’t just take the Greek ones and slap a new name on them. They merged a lot with their own preexisting deities alongside adopting worship of deities from other cultures as the Romans spread (and the Greeks also did this), and c.) the ancient Greeks and Romans did exist at the same time.

Like, we know in terms of the Greeks and Romans that if their godly parents are “equivalent” then their demigod children are siblings, just like if Greek demigods have the “same” godly parent then they are also siblings. However, very few Greco-Roman gods are one-to-one, and a lot are like three gods in a trench coat, and then if you want to get into historical forms then you can start running into weird things like “Well, if you go back far enough, these two Greek gods may have originated from the same thing-” and also if we’re talking historical forms, again, the Greeks and Romans existed at the same time! Which means there would be historic forms of godly parents that are both Greek and Roman! So like, where do we go from there? Would Hazel be equally siblings to a child of Plutus as she is to Nico because both Hades and Plutus were conflated into Pluto? Orcus was also conflated with Pluto - does that mean when Nico killed Bryce Lawrence, he was killing his half-brother? (cause then that parallels just a couple chapters later when Will faces off against Octavian-) Are there demigods who, depending on their godly parents’ form(s), are technically both a Greek and Roman demigod? If Hermes and Pan possibly originated from the same god, does that mean all the satyrs are siblings with the Hermes kids? If we want to get into all the nonsense of Dionysus’ origins and Zagreus and Hades, does that mean Nico is technically siblings with Dionysus kids? Does Dionysus joke about this during their therapy sessions? Are some demigods in certain cabins siblings with kids in other cabins but each others’ siblings aren’t siblings depending on what form their godly parents were in?

I have a headache now.

The way the HP girlies on TikTok are fighting for their lives trying to prove that Harry can beat Percy, I'm immensely pleased 🤣

look i have another 50 spam blogs to block but in the meantime what if i ran a tragic woman bracket. or maybe a greek myth/literature woman bracket. or an ancient woman bracket.

I do think the introduction of a trans-ethnic, phonetic writing system that could be used to transcribe (if, inevitably, inadequately) multiple unrelated languages of Asia is really cool and I do have to wonder about the linguistic and social consequences if this had stuck around after the Yuan dynasty

It’s interesting that New Rome is supposed to be the better alternative to Camp Halfblood, yet Adults in New Rome are just continuing the cycle by being protected by a bunch of child soldiers ( I refuse to believe that most Camp Halfblood campers didnt make it to adulthood, especially when before Percys time, the only quest we hear about is Luke’s)

Octavian, narrowing his eyes: What, you think just because you’re bootlicious you can do whatever you want?

Percy, in neon shutter shades, slurping through his straw: Yeah, pretty much.

Desperately need to know how hera got involved with Leo's mom and then how she just kept visiting for YEARS. Did Zeus just think she was on a business trip or something. Also what was wrong with her 😭😭😭 why'd she do all this, even as far as talking with sammy, instead of just dropping leo off at chb or cj after his mom's death, like she did with jason

I mean, but "Byzantine" is peak Western appropriation of the Roman Empire, so why spread its use? It's not what the Eastern Romans called themselves, it was meant to separate them from the Classical Rome around the time Rome got "hip" with the Western Europeans, its origins are also Western European, and it followed the trend of refusing to call the Roman Emperor with his actual title, instead calling him "King of the Greeks" and using "Roman Emperor" for a Germanic King. That's of course, if

I don’t know if I am missing a part in between but that’s all the mail I got.

If you are saying that Roman history as a whole is part of the eastern heritage then I disagree. I believe the Roman Empire pre-split is either part of the western heritage or both. I also find inaccurate the perception of Ancient Greek heritage as purely western. To my understanding, the Romans were the westernisation of the Greeks but that’s my personal take on it.

Because of that, I find the conundrums created by the use of the Roman label both for west and east and for people of different origins, ethnicities, timelines, language and religion to be expected. Conundrums are the best conditions for appropriation to do its work.

If you mean the Roman empire is heritage of both west and east and thus we shouldn’t be excluded, which is what I think you were saying, I get your viewpoint. The new danger however is that more and more western people will claim Byzantine history as part of the Roman therefore western heritage and, you know what, it really wasn’t. The original Roman might have been inclusive or ambiguous but the East Roman almost certainly wasn’t.

We should never forget that when the Ottomans were approaching Constantinople it was often heard in the streets “Better the Ottoman fez than the Pope’s mitre”. We should never forget that the East Roman Empire would perhaps not have been defeated by the Ottomans (according to many recent historian estimations) if it hadn’t lost almost all its lands, treasures and fighting men after the Crusades the Pope, the Latins and Francs had unleashed against it. Perhaps a few Greeks wouldn’t have internalised so much an ahistorical distaste for the name Greek or a false concept of Byzantine debauchery if they weren’t repeatedly told so by the Western Europeans. Maybe we wouldn’t still hear Protestants say how the Eastern Orthodox Church is straight out paganism and offensive to real Christianity (despite being much older than Protestantism but whatever).

In short, I would rather keep them separating me / us / our ancestors from the inclusion to the western heritage than see them trying to appropriate the eastern heritage as western now that the tables of historical research are turning.

I don’t even care for the whole Western civilisation concept, to be honest. It wouldn’t be the first time west Europeans pat themselves on the shoulder for the bare minimum. Western civilisation is just eastern civilisation that moved west. Greeks did not wake up one day and said “now we are gonna create ‘Western Civilisation’ out of thin air’’. In truth there is just human civilisation and nothing more. The western civilisation is a concept Western Europeans came up with to distance themselves from people they considered inferior, who however had developed advanced civilisations far earlier than those westerners’ ancestors. You see?

So I’d rather be excluded from this western concept rather than be included so that they can claim that stuff they once fiercely hated and trash-talked is now theirs too.

As for telling them, “yes they were Romans, no they weren’t part of your history, do not appropriate” as if they are going to heed us Anon. A person who does not want to understand is simply not going to understand, especially when the issue is objectively perplexing. The woke revisionism of Greek mythology is a perfect example. They suddenly pretend they don’t understand what a mythology is so that they can shred it to pieces freely.

That’s how I feel about this, IDK, I might be wrong and I might have not explained this as eloquently as I would like to but this is something that bothers me so much. The harsh truth is that you can’t get it the right way. Either they will just appropriate Ancient Greeks (i.e it’s a common thing said among N.Europeans that they are closer to Ancient Greeks than Modern Greeks are, a German academic professor told that to my dumbfounded friend) or they will appropriate everything. So I am thinking, better just the ancients than freaking everything. I don’t know.

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the skyrim gods having many different names makes a lot of sense considering the amount of cultures present on Nirn that are able to interpret the divines they witness but also it makes it so fucking hard to remember who the fuck is who