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facettenherz · 7 months

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These pictures describe the relationship of these two idiots perfectly

Albus “I would die for you” Dumbledore and Gellert “I would kill for you” Grindelwald.

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occamiesandtimetravels · 1 year

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Message from an hopefull girl [so if you are absolutely sure that the saga is over, do read this ahaha]

As it has already been said, the FB social media account has been posting A LOT lately. And by a lot, I mean a pic a day… As if the saga wasn’t dead and the promo was still going one.

My opinion is:

Maybe, high placed people in the production of FB are trying to see if the fans are still here and willing to see what happens next to our beloved characters! So I think that we should make a lot noise by reposting, sharing, tagging, writing comments or liking every single photos…

It’s probably nothing but if it’s are a only chance to see FB4 some day, we should take it right ?

Soooo shall we make ourselves heard and bring our saga back? 😇

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calimera62 · 2 years

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Reasons to renew Fantastic Beasts

The franchise’s future is uncertain, we can only hope for the making of a fourth and a fifth movie. While Fantastic Beasts 3 could end the franchise without the fans being frustrated over the ending, I feel like there’s still so much to see, so much to discover, so much of the story to tell. This post has no ambition of trying to convince WB to give Fantastic Beasts a chance, though I would very like them to do so, this is just something I wanted to do for a while.

You are free to add more to the list!

The summer of 1899

We need to see flashbacks of the summer of 1899. What the HP canon and Dumbledore told us in FB is so little to what actually happened. We need to see Albus and Gellert's first meeting. How they befriended each other because they're two solitary genius sharing the same ideology (more or less) and the same interest for the Hallows. We need to see them falling in love with each other, maybe sharing their first kiss (one can dream) and how it fell apart, how they drifted ways. I need to see Albus feeling trapped and frustrated in his own home until he finally met the one who completed him and understood him the most. I need to see how the Dumbledore siblings had to live on their own, the Dumbledore brothers having to take care of themselves and parent an unstable younger girl, without adults being around. We need to see Aberforth distrusting Gellert and how Albus neglected his family for Gellert. We need to see the three ways duel that resulted in Ariana's death and Gellert's departure

Gellert’s past

We also need to see flashbacks of Albus and Gellert before they met each other. We know next to nothing about Gellert's past. Who was he really? Where did he come from? Did he come from a pureblood family and raised with supremacist ideals? What did his parents think of him getting expelled from school? Mads Mikkelsen believe something happened to Gellert while he was young, or his family. Was it true? If so, were Muggles implied in this, thus explaining his hate for Muggles (it would also be a reason why Albus and he bonded, something tragic happened to them or their family because of Muggles). What were exactly Gellert's experiments so Durmstrang, a school reputed for its practice of dark magic, expelled him? How did he came to learn about the Hallows? Was Nurembarg a family castle or was it something he build for his quest?

Albus’s past

It would also be interesting to see the Dumbledore family before and after Ariana's attack, how it shaped Albus to be the young man he grew up to be when meeting Gellert, how he felt the status of secrecy prevented his family to have justice for what happened to Ariana. How he cared for his sister yet felt him having to take care of her after Kendra's death would mean having to sacrifice his brilliant future. How he came to have that ideology of controlling Muggles for the greater good and breaking the status of secrecy.

The 1945 duel

To see the 1945 in CGI (is that the right word?). The duel lasted three hours, what could possibly happened during that time? What led to that duel? Did Gellert surrender like Rita Skeeter suggested? Why? Was love the reason why Gellert lost the fight? We may get flashbacks during that duel, Albus and Gellert remembering their past together as they fight each other. Could you only imagine the moment where Albus won the Elder Wand? How Albus fought to have Gellert alive and imprisoned, rather than killed? Did they share a goodbye kiss? There are so many possibilities!

Newt and Tina

We know Newt and Tina end up getting married... how did they get there? Would we see the wedding? The long awaited kiss?

Jacob and Queenie

We need to see more of Jacob and Queenie's story. Their story isn't finished just because they got back together and got married. Will Jacob take part in WW2 or will he help during the war against Grindelwald? What about Queenie who betrayed Grindelwald and his followers and left them to join Jacob and Dumbledore's side? Won't Grindelwald and his followers try to get revenge? Not to mention, Queenie may have been able to read Grindelwald's thoughts. As skilled as he is, he must have slipped something from time to time without him noticing, so what could have Queenie possibly seen? Something that may help defeating Grindelwald.

Grindelwald's rise to power.

He may have lost during FB 3, but this isn't over yet. We have yet to see more of his rise to power and his reign of terror. He was the greatest dark wizard until Voldemort, and Voldemort only was active in England, unlike Grindelwald. Also, his defeat in 1945 isn't a coincidence... (I just hope they won't make him a wizard Hitler). The war against Grindelwald was most probably tied to WW2. If so, how?

Dumbledore's plan and tactics to try and stop him.

Now that the blood pact is broken, how will Dumbledore move against him? The blood pact broke in 1927, yet Dumbledore only really defeated Grindelwald much later, in 1945. Maybe there were a sort of chess between the two of them, trying to twart the other without facing each other in a duel.

The other characters

Secondary and tertary characters still have room for development, such as Lally, Yusuf, Theseus, as well as Grindelwald's acolytes. It would be interesting to see a couple of them being more than just acolytes, like Vinda. We might also get other characters introduced, either new characters or characters from the Harry Potter series, such as Bathilda Bagshot (she introduced Gellert and Albus to each other, she’s Gellert’s aunt… what does she think of her nephew now? Have her and Albus stayed in contact?), Hagrid, Slughorn, etc.

Nagini

We need to know what happened to Nagini. She went with Newt and co at the end of FB2. She would be most probably anguished about Credence joining Grindelwald and then dying, and would be angry against Grindelwald and pure-blood wizards whom she saw as the enemy. If so, how come she came to meet and stay with Voldemort as his most faithful companion. Did she pity him because he was an orphan? How come she stayed stuck as a snake?

Tom Riddle

It would be interesting to see Tom Riddle. Maybe in a cameo as he read with fascination the news on Grindelwald's reign of terror, or maybe even reading about the chamber of secrets. The chamber was first opened during Grindelwal's reign. Could you even imagine Dumbledore's state of mind? Him busy with the war against his former lover and Hogwarts, a safe haven for him and his students, being threatened by the opening of the chamber, him suspecting Tom but knowing he has no proof.

The fantastic beasts

To see Teddy the Niffler and Pickett and discover new fantastic beasts, maybe some of them will take an active part in the story, a bigger role, like the Qilin did.

Tina and Queenie

Seeing the sisters having their much needed reunion. Yes, it was important for Jacob and Queenie to find each other, but could you imagine what the sister had been through, away from each other? Tina, the head of the AUROR, knowing her sister joined the enemy, being afraid she lost her sister forever and having another, more personal reason to fight Grindelwald

Tina Golstein

Seeing Tina in action, her having a much active role after having a minor role in FB 3. I've heard she was meant to have a bigger role in FB 3 at first but that it wasn't made possible. Maybe it will be shown in the sequel, should we have one (please yes)

Credence / Aurelius

What happened to Credence? Did he survive? Did he die in Aberforth's arms? Were they able to talk about Credence's mother? To properly say goodbye? Was Credence feeling loved, at least, as he died? What would be the consequences of his death?

Aberforth Dumbledore

With Credence dying and Grindelwald's active role in corrupting his son, Aberforth may take a more active role in the war against Grindelwald. Poor man has lost too much because of Grindelwald. Ariana, Credence, his relationship with Albus never really recovered

The Hallows

We need to have the Hallows being introduced. It was also part of Albus and Gellert's quest. Grindelwald has the Elder Wand, does Dumbledore know it? Is Grindelwald seeking for the stone and the invisibility cloak?

Fawkes

We need to see Fawkes. Was it Credence's phoenix? A gift from Newt? How and when did Albus and Fawkes met and chose each other?

Grindelwald’s followers

What happens to Grindelwald's acolyte after his defeat? Would we have a final battle, much like the battle of Hogwarts? Would we see Newt, Tina, Theseus, Queenie, Minerva, Aberforth and co fighting Grindelwald's followers?

A possible link to the Harry Potter series?

I don't know if it will be told but imagine... FB 5 ending with Newt and co attending Dumbledore's funeral in HP6 and WB MAKING UP TO US BY MAKING GELLERT FACING VOLDEMORT AND REFUSING TO TELL HIM WHERE THE ELDER WAND IS, showing us that even if a new evil rose, there's still hope and that love is the greatest magic ever.

Albus and Gellert

We definitely need more Grindeldore moments, not just because people ship them and hope for a kiss, but because their story is a tragic and fascinating one and there's still so much to say about them. How did they meet, how did they fall apart, did they met each other again between FB 3 and their infamous duel? If so, how? when? what did happen?

The ending

Because Newt, Tina, Jacob, Queenie and co deserve a happy ever after.

#fantastic beasts and where to find them #grindeldore #fantastic beasts #fbawtft #fantastic beasts 3 #the secrets of dumbledore #fantastic beasts 4 #fantastic beasts 5 #save fantastic beasts #newtina #jaqueenie #albus dumbledore #gellert grindelwald #newt scamander #tina golstein #queenie golstein #jacob kowalski #credence barebone

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ascandalincamelot · 2 years

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Imagine the opening scene of Fantastic Beasts 4 being something like this:

We start off with a warm-coloured shot of a bumblebee sitting on a lavender flower in some sort of grassy meadow

The subtitles at the bottom of the screen read

Godric's Hollow, Summer 1899

The camera goes up and now I imagine most of us would like to see the first ever time Albus and Gellert laid eyes on each other, so we see one of them reading some book (maybe Gellert researching next to the Peverell grave?) and the other accidentally gets near. They look at each other, they are almost immediately interested in the other stranger. Enter a well written first ever conversation between the two and we see something click immediately.

Then we might switch to the current time with darker and colder colours, carry on with the storyline and every few scenes we could get more flashbacks, at first all cheerful, about the two falling in love happily and all the way throughout the more tragic part of their backstory.

This is just the way I like to imagine it and kinda wish they do it 🥺

What do you guys think? :3

#grindeldore #summer 1899 #fantastic beasts #fantastic beasts 4 #gellert grindelwald #albus dumbledore #harry potter #im an teenage aspiring movie creator btw #jamie campbell bower #toby regbo #jude law #mads mikkelsen #wizarding world

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forbiddengalaxy · 2 years

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FB4 at some point:

Newt (to Jacob): I promised Tina I wouldn’t do anything stupid

Jacob: Why would you lie to your wife like that?

#newt scamander #tina goldstein #fantastic beasts and where to find them #newtina #fantastic beasts #fbawtft #fantastic beasts 4 #post fbsod #fb4 #incorrect quotes #jacob kowalski #newt x tina

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eveneechan · 2 years

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Theory: Tina Goldstein as MACUSA President

One of the most popular theory about Tina Goldstein’s future plot is she’s become President of MACUSA.

JK had made Kingsley, an auror, become a Minister after war ended in HP, and Hermione, the female lead of HP, become minister years after HP event.

So, some believe Tina has potential plot similar like that.

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Disclaimer:

The theory wasn't mine. This was one of earliest theory after first movie but kinda got buried and currently the theory got resurfaced again. And finally after some procrastinations, i can move my ass to write the theory properly after it just going around in discussions

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Tina and Leadership

There’s some hints and foreshadow from Katherine Waterston’s interview about Tina will become a leader of MACUSA

(interview transcription credit to @melodyjustice on twitter; all reposted with permission):

“Graves has the job that Tina, in her wildest dreams, hopes to have one day (Director of Law and Magical Security Department)”

“She’s really proud to be part of MACUSA…. someday she might be respected at MACUSA”

Tina at least want to be like Graves, the Director of Department of Law and Magical Security, aka president 2nd in command.

Katherine kinda hinting about Tina someday might be respected at MACUSA.

Tina has ambition to be a leader.

Also, Tina’s middle name is ESTHER; one of the most famous Jewish Queen.

JK loves to give hints in the name, and probably the reason of why she gives Esther as Tina’s middle name is foreshadow of Tina’s future plot as leader. Both Tina and Esther are orphans too.

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Leadership and Journey to Abolish Rappaport's Law

The theory also suggesting that probably Tina is the president who abolish the Rappaport’s Law in 1960s.

Tina is part of the system; she’s proud to be part of it and know how it is so important to protect people, but at same time she realize there’s flaws in system. With how she saw what happen to her sister, Jacob, and Credence so far, it might be give Tina motivation to change the law and system to protect more people.

Some interview from Katherine Waterston also give hints about that:

“All these things have led to her feeling that the system can have its faults. She is of course still a civil servant and she appreciates the work she does and considers it important. But maybe now she often questions the leaders”

“There’s like a very clear power structure and some people are more powerful but not unfair”

“She is able to reflect on her believe in her work: “Am I not too blindly dedicated to the organization?””… Even though she’s in her favorite MACUSA, she’s begun to question the methods of the organization. What is justice?

“She has a journey there to understand so much that she’s never explored before… There might be something narrow minded about her perspective in beginning.. She comes to understand there’s lots different kinds of points of views”

After the event of FB1, Tina started to realize there’s something wrong in systems. She love to be part of system, but at same time questioning the systems and her leaders.

With what happen to people she loves and with strong sense of justice, it could give Tina motivation to become the leader itself – so she can have more power in the system and can protect more people.

This is actually kinda slowly happen in canon with Tina become the Director of Department of Auror of MACUSA (irl it’s similar with Director of FBI)

Unlike before, in FB1 & FB2, Tina didn’t have power to offer protection to her sister. But now in FB3, she has it and probably it is one of reasons why the wedding of Queenie and Jacob possibly can happen in end of 3rd film.

(For more theory explanation about 3 factors why the wedding is suddenly possible: link)

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Conclusion:

Until this point, it’s clear that seems like Tina’s path in the story is become leader and important figure in MACUSA.

If remembering how in history US join WWII, it’s possible Tina become one of important figure to help win the war.

And probably later after war, Tina might be will got motivated to become President; to abolish Rappaport’s Law, that basically one of reasons why the Global Wizarding War can happen; and root of problem why people that she loves got hurt.

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Bonus:

The year of when Rappaport’s Law got abolished and the year when Newt create Law of Ban on Experimental Breeding also same in 1965.

So far we know, Newt wasn’t the type who active on politic, but in 1965, he suddenly has authority to create a new law. It might be because he has support from people who have powerful influence in politic.

The theory suggest one of people who give support to Newt in politic is his wife, Tina, and at same time, Tina abolish Rappaport’s Law too.

It possible it’s Newt who later move to US and live at there with Tina instead. Their kid(s) probably will going to Ilvermorny. And later after retired, they move together to Dorset, UK.

#newtina #tina goldstein #newt scamander #fantastic beasts theory #fantastic beasts the secrets of dumbledore #fantastic beasts secrets of dumbledore #secrets of dumbledore #fbtsod #fantastic beasts 4 #fantastic beasts 3 #queenie goldstein #goldstein sisters #jacob kowalski #credence barebone #aurelius dumbledore

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raccoonrabbit · 2 years

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Not making FB4 and 5 is so fucking dumb. This is a story. A fictional world with carefully crafted characters, deep and complex storylines, about pasts and love and tragedy. This is art. Art that is already loved by so many, and we could only guess how many it will inspire once its finished. Why should we rip away this piece of art from the future of our kind? Just because nowadays people like to bitch a lot??????

#fantastic beasts #the secrets of dumbledore #fantastic beasts 3 #wizarding world #harry potter #tsod #fbtsod #secrets of dumbledore #grindeldore #albus dumbledore #gellert grindelwald #fantastic beasts 4

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dumbledore-and-grindelwald · 2 years

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Things I want to see:

I want someone to attack Aberforth and Albus to have the equivalent of a 'not my brother you bitch' moment. I don't see Albus going in for the kill like Molly did, but I want him to save Aberforth.

I NEED interactions between Aberforth and Gellert. It's been a long time coming. And as much as I LOVE Gellert as a character, I need a scene of Aberforth punching him in the face and drawing blood. Gellert manipulated, used and abused his son for YEARS. Also, I know this is a Wizarding World movie and fighting escalates to dueling, not sparring matches. But I just love the idea because an actual punch in the face has something more physical and direct to it, and at the same time it's the kind of physical and common gesture that Gellert would find beneath him but Aberforth wouldn't.

#fantastic beasts #fantastic beasts 4 #albus dumbledore #aberforth dumbledore #gellert grindleward

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dragoneyes618 · 1 year

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The book jacket of the Screenplay of The Crimes of Grindelwald referred to it as “the second of a five-film series.”

So, there’s going to be two more films in Fantastic Beasts?

#the crimes of grindelwald #fantastic beasts and where to find them #fantastic beasts 4

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occamiesandtimetravels · 2 years

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Well … I don’t know what to feel about this :/ Johnny’s a great actor and I love what he brought to the saga in CoG… but I also believe that Mass was REALLY good in his role ! I would be a bit sad for him I guess … What do you think folks?

#fantastic beasts #newtina #secrets of dumbledore #fantastic beasts and where to find them #fbsod #fbawtft #fantastic beasts secrets of dumbledore #fantastic beasts 4 #fantastic beasts and the secrets of dumbledore #johnny depp #mads mikkelsen #mads as grindelwald #gellert grindelwald #crimes of grindelwald

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mustnotbenamedblog · 1 year

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The 'Fantastic Beasts' Franchise Might Be Dead At Warner Bros.

The ‘Fantastic Beasts’ Franchise Might Be Dead At Warner Bros.

Fantastic Beasts, J.K. Rowling’s prequel/spin-off of the Harry Potter franchise, might be dead at Warner Bros. – with the studio reportedly making no plans to produce a fourth film. The Harry Potter franchise was a massive success for the studio, making billions at the box-office and even more in merchandising. The Fantastic Beasts franchise, however, hasn’t managed to find the same success. The…

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forbiddengalaxy · 2 years

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Anyone else wondering how the hell they are going to cover the time gap in two films? I mean even if we go with the latest time in Secrets of Dumbledore of about 1932 then we have THIRTEEN YEARS UNTIL THE GRINDELWALD SLAP DOWN!

And there’s still some storylines which need to be tied up really this side of the final battle. Obviously the biggie being Newt and Tina: According to verified canon they get married and have children but both are going to be in their mid to late forties by the final battle. But there’s also Aurelius, Queenie and Jacob are surely going to face other things, what’s going to happen to Theseus, more into Lally’s backstory etc.

So what’s going to happen? In my opinion there’s only three options:

1. They do the next film in massive time jumps. Putting the date at the beginning of the scene then doing some hopping around with the more background relationship stuff.

2. JK completely ignores her own storylines (wouldn’t be the first time) and brings forward the final battle or disregard the canon she’s laid out .

3. There’s more films than the original five.

This is based on keeping the hope alive that they do all five films (or more) and I feel like if anything it will be bringing forward the final battle or 1. But you never know.

What are peoples thoughts?

#newtina #newt scamander #tina goldstein #fantastic beasts and where to find them #secrets of dumbledore #fantastic beasts secrets of dumbledore #fantastic beasts #fbawtft #theseus scamander #fantastic beasts and the secrets of dumbledore #fbsod #jacob kowalski #scamander brothers #newt x tina #jk rowling #fantastic beasts 4 #fb fan thoughts

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