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uthseikoashx-inflamedme · 2 years

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Gellert Grindelwald: revealing & admitting love

... or a study of Albus and Gellert's last encounter, revealing Gellert's feelings

In FBtSoD, Gellert Grindelwald appears to be, despite the years and the tragedies, still not over Albus Dumbledore. It is quite a surprise to me, I must admit. I have no doubt that it has already been discussed in the fandom, but I want to write down my observations — especially regarding the end of the film.

[disclaimer : i do not support JKR. english is not my native langage, sorry for the mistakes!]

The unworded and unwilling admission (a quick description of the end of the fight scene)

The most evident proof of that is, of course, their duel: Albus and Gellert feel under their palm the beating of their former lover’s heart. The troubled expression on Grindelwald’s face enables us to conclude that his heart beats as well, not just Albus’ (and he is a bit distraught by it).

First of all, a quick description of the scene: they are fighting, closer and closer, and they finally find themselves mirroring each other, palm on heart. The shot is Dumbledore’s perspective: he stares at Gellert’s face, then at his own hand, feeling the beat. The countershot reveals his astonishment (or it is again Jude Law’s choice of playing Dumbledore constantly open very widely his eyes)... and his understanding. A beat (pun intended). Then, they finally both lower their wand, giving up, looking at the world around them crumbling.

I will definitely write a more detailed analysis of that scene, which is very akin to a sex and post-sex scene (it is not a joke, but a quite serious statement based on rather obvious clues). But now, I think that we can agree on the fact that this is at least a revelation scene: Dumbledore understands that Grindelwald’s heart beats and echoes his, ergo, Gellert is still moved by Albus. They both know it. They stop the fight, because neither of them can bring himself to actually fight the other — and there is no solution.

Before diving on the subject of the heart a bit more, I just want to highlight how powerless Grindelwald seems to be at this moment: he has revealed himself.

The beating of Gellert Grindelwald’s heart

The heart beating, in Harry Potter meta and in literature/movies/art, evokes several things — life, passion, sexuality, love. It is 100% sure it is also that it holds the same meaning in the HP/FB imagery & meta, because The Warlock’s Hairy Heart, Beedle the Bard’s tale, confirms it: the warlock extracts his heart to protect himself from love [1].

This very choice of putting emphasis on the beating heart is so telling — and quite romantic, if you ask me. Let us spot the differences between Grindelwald and Beedle the Bard’s warlock (and Voldemort, because the contrast is always interesting).

Grindelwald and the Warlock are ambitious and proud; yet, the Warlock took drastic measures in order to avoid falling in love – he fears to be submitted & to sacrifice his reason. Voldemort never loved anyone: his snake nature, both thematically and physically, links him to coldness (the snakes are “cold-blooded” animals).

'I regret it,' said Voldemort coldly. He turned away; there was no sadness in him, no remorse. — chapter 32, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (murder of Severus Snape by Voldemort)

(I think this example is quite telling; he is devoid of what is considered as “human qualities” (here, consequently, of compassion (com-patior, suffer with: he does not this)) in a few systems of morals and, more importantly, in arts (literature, cinema…).)

In a way, both Voldemort and the Warlock abandoned a human quality — love and by extension, empathy and careness; consequently, they both chose animality over humanity and its weaknesses.

On the other hand, a pumping heart evokes heat – the heat of love, of ire [2]. Gellert still has passions: strong ones, mostly destructive. He is not immune to love because he chose not to. That is a very interesting detail of his personality: he knows the pain of having a heart (having experienced love), as he says to Yusuf Kama. Yet, his heart is very most likely what moves him: his hate for muggles is a pulsion and a passion.

He chose the heart — he chose to not abandon love… and passion.

I bet that his very heart will be why he will hesitate, in 1945 — why Albus will be able to conquer the Elder wand. But I digress.

I think Grindelwald is a very interesting villain, because unlike Voldemort, he is very much human. That fact embraces the morals developed throughout the books — humans are capable of beautiful, and terrible things.

(I am so disappointed by the FB films, because they could be so much better (I really don’t like them), they have such a good raw material)

“Who will love you now, Dumbledore?”

Anyway; regarding our first question, I would like to raise Grindelwald’s — already much discussed — question:

Who will love you now, Dumbledore?

He says this seconds after they lower their hands; after he made a small step towards Dumbledore (as if to… be closer? I can’t help but wonder if he wanted to touch his face, or kiss him, and for a reason I am about to expose, I think he is doing it sincerely). The pendant is slowly falling, and he is a mess — dishevelled, panting, glancing around him with a very expressing face.

I would like to stress the fact that it is implied that Grindelwald actually loved him (meaning: before the moment Dumbledore started to fight him, several minutes before). Just after that, the pendant breaks, the world appears again, and he adds:

You are all alone.

It is a Albus’ leitmotiv — and a GGAD essential dynamic: only he can truly understand me. Quite toxic, already confirmed since HPDH, I still hesitate if Gellert can understand Albus entirely in 1932. Not the subject. But here is the context of the infamous quote.

Of course, it could be Gellert playing gleefully (cruelly) with Albus’ feelings — just like he did in the diner scene, at the beginning of the movie: he is glad Dumbledore love(d) him. My personal interpretation is that he intended to do just that, but failed miserably: he was losing the battle (not of wands, but of the lethal game they are playing not really willingly) and grasped the most accessible and more deadly weapon he had within reach — out of sheer anguish and, most likely, heartache.

Somehow, I think that this move revealed more of his own despair than Albus’ suffering: he lost Albus and managed to admit, unwillingly, his feelings (a second time in a minute). I think it is a mistake to believe that he is mostly troubled by the loss of his immunity: Grindelwald is moved.

(I want to highlight that I love how Mikkelsen plays Grindelwald, really)

The fact that the world is breaking, the pendant is breaking, while Dumbledore walks away, might refer to both of their (broken) hearts, by the way, both magically and metaphorically (the more I think about it, the more I find that scene actually rather tragic, I must admit).

Not much more to say about that, except the fact that I will analyse also that part in a future post, and that Gellert’s cruelty is literally deadly — but in a more subtle way that it was in FB2: in FB2, he was killing babies, now he strikes right to his former lover’s (beating) heart, albeit not that efficiently. A way better characterisation, in my opinion, showing several facets of the man at the same time.

The heart and the question have something in commun: they reveal Grindelwald’s emotions. The beating heart states that Gellert is still very human in front of Dumbledore. The question fails to be rhetorical: his desperation shows the fact that he is probably concerned by the answer – that someone will love him, and not nobody, just like he wanted to imply.

“I was never your enemy”

Another (last) moment quite telling about Grindelwald’s feelings is his last speech before disappearing. Dumbledore walks away (you can see him at the bottom of the shot), while the rest of the group (Newt, Theseus, the officials, etc) are approaching and trying to fight him, without success.

He speaks one last time. It is clear that his speech has two addressees: the world, and Dumbledore.

“I was never your enemy.” A beat. He looks in the direction of Dumbledore, whose eyes are piercing him. “Then, or now.”

(the description is written by myself, I am guilty)

“I was never your enemy” is partly addressed to the world, because he seeks support among the wizarding world. But despite the fact that he says this while he looks at the crowd gathered in front of him, I believe it makes even more sense when we consider he says this to Albus.

“Never his enemy” may imply several things considering the context:

not his enemy when they made the blood pact: I am a firm believer that the pact was not just a move to protect himself, but a way to protect Albus as well (I refer to the theory of the 1945 vision Gellert might have had in 1899) and an act of love (which is almost confirmed by Dumbledore, if I am correct) (once again talking about the blood pact, but it is first and foremost a troth, something evoking marriage and bonding)

not his enemy when he sent Credence: he probably knew that Dumbledore would be largely capable of overpowering Credence, or hoped so; even better, saw (thanks to his visions) that Albus would not be defeated.

But even more important: “then, or now”. He says that looking right at Dumbledore. If he is still not his enemy, in my opinion, it means two things:

Gellert does not want to fight Albus.

Gellert still wants Albus by his side.

The former is obvious, we talked about it in the fight and the heart section.

The latter might seem to come out of nowhere and I must admit we cannot be sure; but the context forces us to at least seriously consider this possibility. Indeed, the pact shattered and their bubble exploded — but Albus walked away before Gellert had been able to talk to him. Thus, it is quite possible that he feels the urge to express what he has to say quite cryptically. In that context, he may have chosen euphemism — not your enemy now, so your ally tomorrow, if you want to.

Dumbledore understands that Grindelwald is talking to him, of course. I am still unsure about how he deals with it, but his melancholy before the wedding (even though he seems genuinely happy for Newt’s team) makes me wonder — he does not enter, after all; he chooses to stay alone, and that is the end of the movie. That is why I tend to believe, for the moment, that Dumbledore thinks Grindelwald is right: despite his relatively close friends and numerous acquaintances, he is… alone — guilty of his past, penitent [3].

Conclusion

I repeat that I am surprised about the film: somehow, I thought the film would be far less talkative about GGAD. I focused a lot on Mikkelsen’s acting here, it surely contributes to the overall experience (the man knows how to play the well-dressed handsome enemy in love with the main morally grey character) (I am referring to Hannibal NBC)

I have not evoked Albus’ very direct (and a bit performative, if you ask me, but still welcomed) declarations of love (the poor man can finally talk about his crush and he does, without filter and to everybody, he is just like me fr); a win for the GGAD nation — even though I am convinced the film itself is quite a disaster, both on a narrative and on a coherence-of-the-universe level (but it is my humble opinion). Anyway, back to the conclusion.

Gellert Grindelwald and Albus Dumbledore’s short but intense encounter has a lot to offer, first and foremost answers: neither of them is over the other, as far as I can tell.

But Albus seems to be healing. He refuses to stay near Gellert and has the upper hand in their last encounter — whereas Gellert has the upper in the very first sequence of the film. It indicates an evolution of the two of them as characters which might be very interesting in the future, especially in a crisis context like 1945…

Notes:

[1] – It is 100% sure it is also that it holds the same meaning in the HP/FB imagery & meta, because “The Warlock’s Hairy Heart”, Beedle the Bard’s tale, confirms it : it might seem a stretch to give that importance to a tale. Yet, I think it is justified.

Roughly, tales (as literary genres) are meant to:

be a thesaurus of the morals and knowledge of the human heart: they synthesise people’s common knowledge and their brevity enables the author, a moralist (someone having knowledge about the human soul and heart), to convey a lesson.

represent a system of signs the reader has to decipher: works referring to tales refer actually to a system of signs and convey a message thanks to those signs.

Thus, a work referring to a tale builds a metatextual/metacinematographical level of communication made of correspondences: a scene in a film is thus multilayered — a layer of signs and associations, a layer of knowledge of the human heart (emotions and morals). JKR actually wrote tales in the universe, meaning they are all the more relevant regarding the correspondences of signs, and the morals in the wizarding world (in the UK). That is why, I think, we can affirm that the theme of the heart, in HP/FB, has to be linked to The Warlock’s Hairy Heart and hold a similar meaning (or at least, the tale can inform us on a metatextual level).

[2] – a pumping heart evokes heat – the heat of love, of ire : I don’t want to develop that aspect that much, but throughout literature or arts history, it is quite often linked — just think of Achilles and the Iliad beginning by “ire” as its first word — and artists always look back to what has been made before.

[3] – he is… alone — guilty of his past, penitent : a Gellert’s word struck me when I watched the film, “sinful”; the religious dimension on a textual level (what the characters think and how they see themselves) and a metatextual level (what religious figures are they embodying?) has to be addressed at some point. (once again, I highly recommend the fanfiction “Illumine” by meanwhiletimely, exploring (among others) the theme of religion)

Anyway, thank you for reading! :)

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eveneechan · 2 years

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Tina Goldstein's enchanted photos

Analysis about lore of enchanted pictures on Wizarding World, and how many interaction from Tina's photo probably show her magical skills level

Compilation video of Tina Goldstein's enchanted photo from SoD and CoG

One of lore on wizarding world is degree of interaction in enchanted painting is depend on skill of the witch/wizard

Now i wonder if is this lore of enchanted painting applied in enchanted photo too?

Usually enchanted photo only replaying moment when the photo got captured

But just like we can see in SoD and CoG, Tina's photo can have movement other than "replayed moment"

Her photo can give additional interaction beside "replayed moment", like enchanted painting

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Part 1: Crimes of Grindelwald

First time we saw Tina's enchanted photo is on CoG. It's her photo from newspaper.

Her replayed moment on the photo seems like when she smiles

Deleted scenes of CoG

In extended version, we saw Tina's photo give additional movement nodding below to up when Newt open his case

Later that additional movement also happen when baby niffler going down to the case

Her photo is like looking to below, before nodding up and replay her smile movement

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Part 2: Secrets of Dumbledore

First time we saw new Tina's photo with MACUSA logo is when Newt open his case for Qilin

Her photo is like give reaction and looking up to Newt who are on above her, and then she looking to front left that seems like it is her "replayed moment"

Next we saw her photo give another new movement. Tina's head direction is to Wyvern, even tho her eyes like looking to camera (us lol).

Her expression is worried, like bcs knowing Newt got injured. Later her expression change into smile after Wyvern helping Newt

Later when Wyvern going to close the case, we can see Tina's head direction change into right.

She's like give "shock" reaction when Wyvern close the case

In next scene, we saw a completely different photo of Tina with size of pocket. The photo was on Newt's passport and slipped out from it.

The photo was almost got stomped. Tina is like knowing she almost got stomped and looking to Newt with shock face like saying "help!"

Later we saw that Tina's photo on Newt's case again.

Her photo was looking to below when Newt going down to the case

Next we saw her photo again when Newt open his case.

This pose is probably the original pose of the photo (direction looking to left), because in another scene, there's exactly same pose like that

Later Tina's photo change direction to right, looking to Newt and Bunty

And she smiles 🥺

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Conclusion:

Tina Goldstein's enchanted photo can give many interactions beside "replayed moment", almost like enchanted painting

If degree of interaction of enchanted painting depend on magical skills, could enchanted photo is like that too?

And if that so, is it kinda hinting how skillful magical skills of Tina Goldstein?

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siren-of-redriver96 · 2 years

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Illvermorny is coming! (theory)

(spoilers for SoD)

just look at SoD!

Jacob's snakewood wand, the same as Salazar's and the tree growing from it at the school

Lally, a teacher who's subject is charms, the same as Chadwick Boot's, one of it's founders

the theme of twins, like Isolt's daughters Rionach and Martha

the idea that @eveneechan proposed, that a character appearing in just a photo takes a big role in the next one - first it was Leta, then Lally - this movie has Tina in a photo

Katherine said she knows "so much" when asked about the sister's days at Illvermorny but "can't tell us" and "at some point, we will learn more"

JK explained that Dumbledore's mother "not looking british" may still come up - Harry describes her as reminding him of native american - part of Isolt's family, her daughter Martha's, were Pocomtuc - also Kendra didn't like talking about being muggleborn - but what if, very distantly, she descended from Isolt?

what if the Goldstein sisters do too?

there's also Tycho Dodonus' prophecy and what the Horned Serpent said to Isolt "Until you accept me, your family is doomed"

there's so much more here: https://old.reddit.com/r/FantasticBeasts/comments/kqaxxa/the_history_of_illvermorny_is_the_key_theory/

What do you think?

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obscurebelief · 2 years

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Walk of the Qilin Theory

Have two ideas of who else the Qilin could have bowed to.

Spoilers ahead for SoD

I honestly wanted the little Qilin to have bowed before Jacob or even Credence before going to their final choice or making their final choice.

Jacob

I believe it was said that Qilin only bow to those with magic and that’s why it didn’t go to Jacob. But I still wonder what if it did. A muggle that loved Queenie, a witch, that was tortured before wizardkind and still loved magic. A Qilin that sees pure hearts bowing to a muggle that Grindelwald hated. It would be shocking to witness by all magickind but would have been amazing to show that not just magic can possess rare souls.

Jacob would be full on confused and probably be in the: I’m a shmo, I’ve no idea how this world works!

Full on protesting until the small original Dumbledore’s Army and even Credence smile at him with the intent of teaching him and helping him out if he will allow them.

Next is Credence. He has endured so much pain and abuse throughout his years. And finally found his family, and stood up against Grindlewald knowing he could die at any moment due to the Obscurus or the dark wizard himself. He showed so much courage in that moment. While he probably wasn’t seen as the nicest, hell given how MACUSA acted towards the Obscurus over trying to calm him, I am sure the wizarding world disliked and feared him for something they helped create.

The Qilin who knew what Credence did to it’s twin still saw that spark of goodness in him, seeing the boy collapse before everyone did the little Qilin walk to him and bow before the weak man that everyone feared or never knew besides a few. Truly believing he can help lead the Wizarding World even if there was little time left for him. But perhaps it also saw that Newt, Tina, Aberforth and others that loved him still and believed in him even after he chose wrong.

That could be when Grindelwald tries to kill him for good and the ending plays out normally but with: there has to be a way to save Credence, we won’t give up.

And honestly I’d have loved that more. From someone who no one cared about that was ignored by magickind that became a wanted fugitive and a follower of the darkest wizard of the age, to a leader everyone looks up to, the first Obscurial to have survived so long that became hell bent on making sure all young witches and wizards suffering and oppressed will be helped and treated kindly.

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Only Eddie can wear such a delicate color!!

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY EDDIE REDMAYNE!!!!!!

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Happy Birthday to the one and only Eddie Redmayne! I have loved Eddie as an actor ever since I saw him in 2014 in “The Theory of Everything”, meaning that this year marks 10 years of me being one of his fans! ❤️ I am so proud of how far he has come, and he deserves ALL of the success he’s had and more.

I’ve also been lucky enough to meet him a few times - at the last two London Fantastic Beasts premieres and twice during his run of Cabaret in London - and every time he’s been the sweetest, kindest, politest, most incredible human being (and yes, I WILL keep talking about it, you would if you’d met him too!). He’s as lovely to his fans as he is talented, taking the time to talk to them and make their days wherever he goes, and for that to reason he will always be one of my most favourite people in this world.

Again, Happy Birthday to Eddie! I hope he’s having an amazing day! 🫶🏻

(Also, it’s exciting that our birthdays are only one week apart - Capricorns for the win! ♑️)

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uthseikoashx-inflamedme · 2 years

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Albus' secret network of forgers?

(or: how might function the creation of (magical) artefacts, according to the (quite confusing) film FBtSoD)

[ disclaimer: greetings, those who followed that account when I still posted essays & theories here. I am not quite back - I will post the thing about Dumbledore's boggart soon, though, despite the fact that it is... not exactly finished and satisfying. some things still could be interesting - that is why I will post it anyway. and by the way, if you are interested in the show WWDITS, you might be interested by this account: @uthseikoashx-itsnighttime. and, oh, sorry for the mistakes! 2 years later, i am still not fluent... :) ]

The fact that Bunty (Newt's assistant) must ask an actual craftperson to replicate the case suggests that a simple spell does not work. Two possible explanations may be :

the wizards can detect or feel when a product is a spell-crafted replica (...it is quite canon already)

every magical artefact has to be built by a craftperson gifted in magic and be enchanted by them (... once again, logical)

It justifies why Dundy does no use a simple spell. Furthermore, it implies that a lot of objects in the wizarding world are suffused with magic.

Nonetheless, Albus gives Newt and other characters, several times, items helping them in their respective quests: invitation cards, authorisation papers (when Newt saves Theseus (in a maze, quite ironic considering the myth)), etc. Official items, probably crafted magically to avoid... replicas, precisely. But those papers are most likely forged - how can Jacob attend to the tea party, if they are not? (or it would indicate a terrifying lack of security mesures - an absurd lack, so a logical explanation is preferable in my opinion).

Thus, I think we can infer two things:

there are wizards doing counterfeit papers, authorisations... and there are most definitely organisations in charge of forging fake documents or objects (a mafia of sorts?).

Dumbledore is in touch with one of those wizards/witches, or with one of these organisations - we can even suppose that in dark times, Dumbledore himself gathers a team of wizards/witches skilled in that kind of illegal activities (I headcanon that the Order of the Phoenix counted far more people than the main team for that very reason, even if those people were not as important as the Square Grimmault's team)

Sure, one might affirm that Albus is capable of forging those papers by himself - I don't think he would spend time on that, though. I guess that the credibility of the second point depends on how each fan sees Albus.

But it suggests two other things:

knowing that people forge false documents, instances (such as ministries) must stay alert and develop advanced methods of detection.

but in FBTSOD, Newt, Jacob... can walk in and out official buildings & meetings very easily: so, either their documents are particulary well counterfeited, either Grindelwald (or his minions) ordered the security staff to let Newt's team infiltrate the tea party and other official meetings (when Vogel announces that Grindelwald is now free of charges, for example)

So, Albus' probable secret network of forgers might not be that secret - but still quite useful, albeit not fooling Grindelwald's team - I mean, the bad guys know how the good guys look like, and Newt is quite well known - so in that situation, fake authorisations are almost... accessories (except in Newt's case, when he saves Theseus)...

Oh, besides, I interpret the fact that Grindelwald allows (supposedly) Newt's team to act as something not entirely done for the sake of his nomination as the new great leader; I tend to think that he is somehow curious of what Dumbledore is doing. But I will definitely come back to that in another post.

It's been a while since I have written - or read - any meta in the fandom; I hope this theory is still relevant, guys. And understandable. Thank you for reading :)

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eveneechan · 2 years

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Theory: Tina Goldstein as MACUSA President

One of the most popular theory about Tina Goldstein’s future plot is she’s become President of MACUSA.

JK had made Kingsley, an auror, become a Minister after war ended in HP, and Hermione, the female lead of HP, become minister years after HP event.

So, some believe Tina has potential plot similar like that.

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Disclaimer:

The theory wasn't mine. This was one of earliest theory after first movie but kinda got buried and currently the theory got resurfaced again. And finally after some procrastinations, i can move my ass to write the theory properly after it just going around in discussions

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Tina and Leadership

There’s some hints and foreshadow from Katherine Waterston’s interview about Tina will become a leader of MACUSA

(interview transcription credit to @melodyjustice on twitter; all reposted with permission):

“Graves has the job that Tina, in her wildest dreams, hopes to have one day (Director of Law and Magical Security Department)”

“She’s really proud to be part of MACUSA…. someday she might be respected at MACUSA”

Tina at least want to be like Graves, the Director of Department of Law and Magical Security, aka president 2nd in command.

Katherine kinda hinting about Tina someday might be respected at MACUSA.

Tina has ambition to be a leader.

Also, Tina’s middle name is ESTHER; one of the most famous Jewish Queen.

JK loves to give hints in the name, and probably the reason of why she gives Esther as Tina’s middle name is foreshadow of Tina’s future plot as leader. Both Tina and Esther are orphans too.

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Leadership and Journey to Abolish Rappaport's Law

The theory also suggesting that probably Tina is the president who abolish the Rappaport’s Law in 1960s.

Tina is part of the system; she’s proud to be part of it and know how it is so important to protect people, but at same time she realize there’s flaws in system. With how she saw what happen to her sister, Jacob, and Credence so far, it might be give Tina motivation to change the law and system to protect more people.

Some interview from Katherine Waterston also give hints about that:

“All these things have led to her feeling that the system can have its faults. She is of course still a civil servant and she appreciates the work she does and considers it important. But maybe now she often questions the leaders”

“There’s like a very clear power structure and some people are more powerful but not unfair”

“She is able to reflect on her believe in her work: “Am I not too blindly dedicated to the organization?””… Even though she’s in her favorite MACUSA, she’s begun to question the methods of the organization. What is justice?

“She has a journey there to understand so much that she’s never explored before… There might be something narrow minded about her perspective in beginning.. She comes to understand there’s lots different kinds of points of views”

After the event of FB1, Tina started to realize there’s something wrong in systems. She love to be part of system, but at same time questioning the systems and her leaders.

With what happen to people she loves and with strong sense of justice, it could give Tina motivation to become the leader itself – so she can have more power in the system and can protect more people.

This is actually kinda slowly happen in canon with Tina become the Director of Department of Auror of MACUSA (irl it’s similar with Director of FBI)

Unlike before, in FB1 & FB2, Tina didn’t have power to offer protection to her sister. But now in FB3, she has it and probably it is one of reasons why the wedding of Queenie and Jacob possibly can happen in end of 3rd film.

(For more theory explanation about 3 factors why the wedding is suddenly possible: link)

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Conclusion:

Until this point, it’s clear that seems like Tina’s path in the story is become leader and important figure in MACUSA.

If remembering how in history US join WWII, it’s possible Tina become one of important figure to help win the war.

And probably later after war, Tina might be will got motivated to become President; to abolish Rappaport’s Law, that basically one of reasons why the Global Wizarding War can happen; and root of problem why people that she loves got hurt.

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Bonus:

The year of when Rappaport’s Law got abolished and the year when Newt create Law of Ban on Experimental Breeding also same in 1965.

So far we know, Newt wasn’t the type who active on politic, but in 1965, he suddenly has authority to create a new law. It might be because he has support from people who have powerful influence in politic.

The theory suggest one of people who give support to Newt in politic is his wife, Tina, and at same time, Tina abolish Rappaport’s Law too.

It possible it’s Newt who later move to US and live at there with Tina instead. Their kid(s) probably will going to Ilvermorny. And later after retired, they move together to Dorset, UK.

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