okay so personally, i think both Chris Pine and Paul Wesley did a great job as Jim Kirk. the only difference is that Pine's Jim took 10mins to convince me, while Wesley's Jim did take a while - both of which are on me, not on them.
essentially, they are are portraying two different types of Kirk. at the start of Star Trek AOS, particularly in Star Trek 2009, Jim is still a cadet and is put through a life and death situation where he has to earn everyone's trust. he gets thrown in the captain's seat with zero experience and no one is convinced he can get the job done until the end. this Jim lost his dad and still has that rebellious streak in him - something that Pine captured very well.
while in Strange New Worlds, the Jim we meet is already a First Officer on Farragut and has seemingly gone through the ranks. We get a Jim who genuinely wants to be friends with everyone, who hasn't lost his dad and had time to develop his skills outside of the Enterprise. Wesley's Kirk takes time to grow on you cause the first two times you meet him, he's supposed to be a different version of Jim. It's not until Lost in Translation that we see The Real Slim Shady Jim Kirk. And Wesley did well.
and in terms of his relationship with Spock and how they bonded;
AOS: the world is about the end and we have got to work together if we want to save our asses.
SNW: Sam's a dick, isn't he
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i love neuvifuri’s dynamic and relationship. like. imo they are the epitome of “we are inseparable, we are in love in every way, we are soulmates not by birth or due to fate binding us inexplicably but because we spent those 500 years being the one constant in each others lives and weve come to know each other the best, but we are simultaneously strangers. we never truly knew each other during all that time.“
and neuvillette knew for so long furina was keeping a secret from him and it pained him to force that secret into the light, but he knew he had to in order to save fontaine, and despite that he still wanted to do it as gently as possible. to make the trial the last resort if the travelers conversation didnt work. after the final events of the archon quest, he let furina go wherever she wished, he (if im remembering correctly) gave her a nice house and enough funds to do as she pleased and live comfortably. he used his new authority over hydro to give her a vision made specifically for her, the very first vision he has given out. he has made it as clear as day that she is welcome to talk to him, to ask to have tea, to ask him for whatever or simply just to talk.
neuvillette using those actions to say “i hope you let me know who you truly are, and allow me to stay in your life for as long as you wish, but i love you so i will not force you.”
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Listen, I know this might sound untrue, but Arthur IS mostly a bad dude—or at least not as good a man as some claim. (I love him still but hear me out)
This is not me arguing “he’s bad so you shouldn’t like/glorify him” at all, I promise—I can’t stand that rhetoric. It’s just that I see a lot of “he’s so kind” “so good at heart” “so hard on himself” and I wonder why folks so often adamantly, un-ironically claim him as a misunderstood gentle giant type.
The fact that he’s mostly nice to those he cares about and is willing to help strangers in need (never mind both of those things are optional anyhow, you can just as easily play him as an asshole who doesn’t come to anyone’s aid—) doesn’t undo the harm he’s responsible for throughout the game. Nor does him being told to do so by an authority or being a victim of circumstance undo it.
His good doesn’t make up for his bad, and I don’t think it actually needs to. His bad certainly doesn’t take away from what makes him compelling and likeable to the audience; but within the context of his world, he’s right to be unhappy with who he is. It’s not a matter of low self esteem or self worth issues, his unhappiness with himself comes from self awareness.
(Saying this with a grain of salt because you know, fictional character with no real agency whose actions are as such for plot reasons), he may have had a shit hand dealt to him, but he’s a person who makes bad choices. He’s charming and relatable (and hot lol) but I’m not sure I understand the whole simplifying his character to “good person stuck in bad situation” thing, when it plainly isn’t the case, no matter how much we like him.
I think the “you’re a good man Arthur” line gets thrown around as proof of him being good at heart; but I think it’s more like, he needed to hear it to act as such. He needed to be told how to be good and pushed into reflection and immediate actions. He needed to be told that he’s a good man by others because he needed permission in a sense to be different than he knows himself to be. (Take a shot every-time I say good)
“The Thomas Downes mission was out of character” it really isn’t. He says what kind of man he is multiple times, he hammers the point home that he’s a bad man. And while there is definitely a bit of self loathing in that sentiment, he’s still speaking his truth. He’s just unhappy with it; he IS the type of man to commit an atrocity like beating a dying man for a few bucks. It goes against the beliefs fans have projected onto him, usually coming from their own moral compass instead of what the character shows his own to be, and that’s why it ‘feels so wrong’ to see him doing something actually despicable.
We arrive at this misunderstanding due to fandom projection, as well as this rampant desire to problem solve by ‘fixing’ the canon material to fit a sort of agenda. Ie, ‘I only like the good attributes in this character’ ‘it’s only acceptable to like this bad dude provided he’s always feeling guilt for his actions’ or ‘he’s not really at fault for them.’
But the thing is, even if Arthur is at conflict with his actions, the guilt he may feel isn’t an indication of anything pure within him. He’s in total control and chooses still to go along with everything. I tend to think an action done in guilt is functionally the same as an action done with enjoyment. Arthur feeling bad at the end of the game for his faults and complicity doesn’t mean he is good. Nor does it mean he ‘was a good the whole time’, nor does it excuse what he’s done.
We don’t have to make him a better person than he is in order to like him, is what I’m trying to say I guess. It’s fine to acknowledge all parts of him, to do otherwise does a disservice to his character as it often flattens them beyond recognition. And it’s also fine to hone in on what you appreciate most and write and draw and celebrate that while functionally ignoring the rest if you so choose—but it’s also fine (and usually important) to acknowledge who the character is without the plethora of projections placed upon them.
Arthur ends the game with a loving act, more or less saving John, saving Abigail, Tilly, paving the way for them to become something better than he was. None of these things are meant to be a great action done to save his soul or redeem him in any eyes, especially not his own. He dies on a good note (and yeah I would say low honour/back for the money is still a ‘good’ choice for a low honour story), and shifts his focus to the last good deed he’s done in his final moment as a way to leave off peacefully despite all his wrongdoings. He doesn’t get redemption really, and he doesn't wholly achieve 'goodness', despite all the potential for growth the audience can see in him, that’s the deliberate tragedy of it all.
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Rom-halan Mahk (The Parting Glass) T'Vulkansu
Lyrics under the cut (Original english, Vulkansu in bold, literal translation in italics)
Of all the money that e'er I had
Svi’ma-vel t’ek pinkaunu
In possession of wealth, all my earnings
I have spent it in good company
Vlital kau-bosh heh akhlami t’hyle
Spent wise and among lifelong friends
Oh and all the harm I've ever done
Ek’dash-tor t’nash-veh ki’tor svi’mene
All hurt I have done in life
Alas, it was to none but me
Tor fi’t’nash-veh sa’awek
Done upon myself alone
And all I've done for want of wit
Kanon duhik torai t’nash-veh
Every foolish action of mine
To memory now I can't recall
Hal-tor I kwi’vokaya
Gone now from memory
So fill to me the parting glass
Nufau t’nash-veh rom-halan makh
Offer my farewell glass
Good night and joy be to you all
Sochya eh dif fi’ek’du
Peace and long life upon all you
Of all the comrades that e'er I had
Trashu ik fasei t’nash-veh t’hyle
Departing from my lifelong friends
They're sorry for my going away
Olau lak’tra than au trashan
Feel grief they do at departure
And all the sweethearts that e'er I had
Trashu ik fasei ashayam
Departing from beloved
They would wish me one more day to stay
Istaya au wuvau yaret
Wish they to lengthen visit
But since it fell unto my lot
Kupi-ri rubah t’nash-veh buk
Could not change my fate
That I should rise and you should not
Trashu ik du’tu hafau
Departing while you remain
I'll gently rise and softly call
She-tor buk eh stariben
Rising to fate and speak
Good night and joy be to you all
Sochya eh dif fi’ek’du
Peace and long life upon all you
But since it falls unto my lot
Kupi-ri rubah t’nash-veh buk
Could not change my fate
That I should rise and you should not
Trashu ik du’tu hafau
Departing while you remain
I'll gently rise and softly call
She-tor buk eh stariben
Rising to fate and speak
Good night and joy be to you all
Sochya eh dif fi’ek’du
Peace and long life upon all you
So fill to me the parting glass
Nufau t’nash-veh rom-halan makh
Offer my farewell glass
And drink a health whate'er befalls
Fudau fam, nartau mene
Regardless embrace life
Then gently rise and softly call
She-tor buk eh stariben
Rising to fate and speak
Good night and joy be to you all
Sochya eh dif fi’ek’du
Peace and long life upon all you
Good night and joy be to you all
Sochya eh dif fi’ek’du
Peace and long life upon all you
So fill to me the parting glass
Nufau t’nash-veh rom-halan makh
Offer my farewell glass
And gather as the evening falls
Hokau vah tevan-tor khru
I’ll gently rise and softly call
She-tor buk eh stariben
Gather as falls evening
Good night and joy be to you all
Sochya eh dif fi’ek’du
Rising to fate and speak
Peace and long life upon all you
Good night and joy be to you all
Sochya eh dif fi’ek’du
Peace and long life upon all you
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