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AN ISWM ANALYSIS: THE LAMENT OF THE ACTOR

AUTHORS NOTE:

THIS FAN ANALYSIS WILL CONTAIN HEAVY SPOILERS FOR IN SPACE WITH MARKIPLIER (PT. 1 & 2). IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THOSE, PLEASE STOP READING AND GO WATCH THEM, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? If you don’t wish to be spoiled, turn back now! This is your last chance! Go on, Get out of here, go!

Or don’t. It’s your choice after all. But at least now, you know the consequences of your decisions.

For those continuing onward, buckle up for a long one. I loved In Space with Markiplier so deeply, and it resonated so strongly with me, and also with Mark’s other creative works. The man is nothing if not a master of parallels. Grab a snack, and maybe some water. THIS IS 5k WORDS AND A LOT OF PICTURES. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

It’s time… for the End.

ACT I: THE MAN AND THE MIRROR

Actor Mark.

We know him. We hate him. We adore him. We abhor him. He is a man we’ve come to realize, collectively, is the one who is behind all of the stories we, the viewer (the DA), go on. This has been apparent since at least DAMIEN, where Actor confesses to making these worlds and putting the ‘other prisoners’ of the house through his stories. It puts Wilford Mother Loving Warfstache into a more contextual light, and also, frames the narrative to his other stories to come.

The biggest, most important part about Mark though, is that he is a man of grief. And once he realized he couldn’t die while in his house, he turned that immense power of creativity into a means of escapism. Escapism from all his problems, all his loss, all his petty mistakes that cost the lives of his friends. He could make everything beautiful again! He could replay the dream, over and over and over again, because that’s all this was, right?

Mark is in a house, with an unlimited lifespan, choosing to make stories where he can move forward and make a beautiful world, a beautiful future. He’s there with Celine, with Damien, with Abe and Wil and then… there’s… us.

The District Attorney. The person who can’t remember who we are and we are constantly put to sleep, just to wake up into a new story every single time with Mark. We go on a Heist with Mark, we go on a Date with Mark. We meet friends, we meet figures who look familiar, and we see a few faces that, tickle our deja vu, who seem to tell us, ‘you know me, you should see me, you are stuck in his stories’ . Darkiplier, the merging of Celine and Damien’s worst qualities into our body, constantly tries to remind us of the horrible things our ‘dear friend Mark’ has done, tries to get us to see. But he can’t tell, if we are awake or still dreaming. Do we even know what’s going on? Surely you must… surely we’ve seen through his mask by now.

But we haven’t. Not until we go to Space. And not until we start to question things, we start to notice the boat is leaking, and everything, everything starts to fall apart.

Let’s take a Detour really quickly.

This will be quick, I promise. It won’t take long. But I want everyone to think, for a moment, back to Wilford MotherLoving Warfstache. Still, in my opinion, one of the greatest things Mark has ever created. As a standalone, and as a side piece to WKM, it is incredible, astounding. And he had the audacity to directly link it to In Space with Markiplier.

This is important. We’re getting there. You see, understanding Space is a bit like understanding what happens in WMLW. In it, Abe the detective is playing his role, and he plays it well. And finally, he gets to the point where he re-finds Wilford, who he’s been hunting for killing him and his friends and his partner. Abe believes the problem is Wilford and is hunting him down to solve those issues.

He’s determined, he’s the cop. He’s the good guy hunting down a bad guy. He finds Wilford in a disco. Everything goes according to plan.

Except, of course, when it doesn’t.

Abe sees Wilford, talks to him, and then suddenly begins to question everything he has believed up until that point. The smoking gun of this moment is when Wil doesn’t immediately recognize Abe, and Abe questions how this could possibly be. In doing so, a second Wilford appears, realizes he’s in frame, and then as Abe gets back into character, that Wilford disappears off screen. As WMLW progresses, Abe continues to lose touch with his reality, this dream he’s stuck in, and realizes, suddenly, that nothing makes sense and that he’s still technically dead.

This dream he’s stuck in, he’s realizing, is something that he couldn’t escape. He suddenly realizes he’s been turning his wheel but going nowhere, like a ‘hamster ball rolling down the freeway’. But what Abe doesn’t realize is he’s actually awake for the first time in a long time -- aware that the world is broken, confusing, a dream that doesn’t make sense. He’s realizing that the boat is leaking and he’s still on it, sinking. Unfortunately or fortunately for Abe, it was Wilford who woke him up, the man in the whole who is still alive but going mad. He tells Abe he’s been through the same thing, of waking up and realizing, suddenly, that everything is happening to them in a weird dream. But at times, he can’t remember a thing. It’s quite tragic, but also beautiful, these two men realizing that, even in death, there is still something to enjoy, so instead of subjecting themselves to the story again, why not have some fun… outside of it?

Alright Back to the analysis. Where was I again?

ACT II: BUT THATS ALL IN THE PAST

Let’s go back a little bit, shall we? Because to understand Space… we need to understand Mark. Actor Mark, specifically. Yes, we all know that he is a sleazy, near-evil person who forced everyone to his house for a pre-planned party to get back at the people who wronged him. But what isn’t apparent, is what the point of that party actually WAS: To get back at the Colonel for ‘stealing’ his wife, Celine away from him.

So here’s a quick reminder of what happened:

Mark had a plan. A great plan! And in that plan, he was going to frame the colonel for his death and watch it happen, because Mark knew that he couldn’t actually die. The Detective, who was biased into thinking the Colonel did it, would find Mark’s body and would immediately blame the Colonel, because his prior investigations proved the butler and the chef were innocent. The District Attorney, us, would see the evidence, and agree with the Detective without dispute, which we were needed for since Damien wouldn’t be able to point blame at the Colonel, his friend.

But that plan went to ruin.

It wasn’t the detective who found Mark’s body; it was the the DA. Abe didn’t see the Colonel with Mark’s body; he saw us, and immediately placed blame on us for being next to the body. After we were cleared, however, it suddenly wasn’t certain who the killer was. Once that happened, the entity haunting Mark’s house stole Mark’s body back -- a body that was already killed by Mark 40 times before and was broken beyond repair. This left Mark stuck in the Void, with no way out.

But when Celine showed up, an opportunity presented itself. The House entity struck a deal with Mark where the House possessed Celine’s body, making sure she would never steal someone’s heart again. Once the house had possessed Celine, it killed Damien -- or, at the very least, pushed Damien out of his body. Mark took this body instead, leaving both Celine and Damien in the Void, with nothing but mark’s dead body as company.

Then, everything descends into chaos... and the rest is history.

Basically, Mark didn’t want any of this to happen. Mistakes were made, deals were struck, and all of his friends died or went mad! But it’s fine, he surmises in the end, it will all be fine, because we all can’t die anyway! He knows, he’s tried! Which is great! That means he can make something beautiful out of this, can’t he!

…Can’t he?

ACT III: SPACE IS SO COOL

And so we come back to Mark’s most beautiful creation yet. Space! And the Invincible II, his pride and joy. He has us along for the ride, and nobody to bother him. All of his pieces are in their places. He can’t wait to set off into this intrepid journey where everything is great and they hand the problems of space travel and he is the hero and us, the DA, is along for the ride to watch, just as we always are. We get to see Mark in the starring role once again! But as the story progresses… something starts… happening.

Things don’t seem…. Right.

And the more the story progresses…

...the more things unravel before our very eyes. Seams fall apart. Back doors are opened. And strange people glitch in and out of existence.

And the strangest part of is all is… unlike his other stories, Mark is… perturbed. He’s out of control, he doesn’t remember things, he’s so lost that he thinks he’s in total control, but also has no idea what is happening and what’s going on. And the worst part is, every time either you or he questions anything, things start to fall apart more and more and more until finally;

Mark has discovered what you already knew; that their existence has been looping and they’re immortal. Mark, of course, is elated by this news and immediately not only remembers dying, but also remembers the pain of it. This however does not deter him from doing so again. And again. And again. All in an attempt to fix the ship and save the colonists. However, that doesnt seem to be working.

But as he does so, he subtly starts shifting the blame to us. Their failure wasn’t his fault, he was doing the best he could! So what were we doing?

Mark is already starting to show his true colors; how he REALLY feels about the situation. He can’t possibly be the problem, it has to be something with the computer, or with us. He’s the hero, after all. He’s the one who can go back and fix it; fix EVERYTHING and save EVERYONE. He just has to find the right code, the right path, the right solution. He knows he can, he just has to keep trying. It’s infinity after all, right? And he can’t die! So why not keep trying over and over and over again?

Or at least, that’s what he starts to think. Because even though he shifts blame to us at every opportunity (‘It’s their ship, they are the captain’), he does still leave the choices in our hands, at first. And it’s clear that somewhere along the way, he decided that that’s the worst idea and we have done nothing we were supposed to, and doomed everyone.

Eventually, we are confronted with an older Mark, who says ‘To Hell with all of this; we are starting over’. And yet, even in his lunacy, he seems to have a few moments of startling clarity. His character breaks.

He apologizes to us. To us. Looking through the role we’ve been placed in, he tells us, ‘I’m sorry… about a lot of things’. He also says ‘but when you’ve tried everything else, there’s only one thing left to try.’

He sends us outside of the story. Outside of the cage. Into the Void. The same void he sent himself into, when he couldn’t figure out how to win Celine back. The Void he sent Celine and Damien into, when he couldn’t think of anything else but a deal with the devil.

The story is being reset because Mark has seen us start to become lucid, seen himself trying too hard, and wants to pull the plug. He can’t make anything else better! So now, it’s time to try again, make a new story.

And for a time, he thinks he’s done it.

And then, he forgives us, for everything. Why?

Because its all in the past. And he finally did it! He beat us! We can’t destroy the universe, he did it first! He’s going to save all those people! Why?

Everyone can finally go and live their infinite lives in peace. At this point, we can’t help but wonder… is Mark still talking about the ship? The Invincible II? Up until this point, we assume he has been, but ever since sending everything to the void, he seems to be thinking of others things, other consequences.

Ah well, we won’t find out in Part 1. Because right now, the world is collapsing. The Warp core that disappeared originally suddenly reappears, and what Mark wants can’t happen. And the universe resets and suddenly… horribly…

The Story begins again.

ACT IV: WAKING UP IN A WHEEL

Have you ever heard of the Bicameral Mind? It’s the supposed moment when humans became conscious; when the two divides of the brain came together to form a whole. You see, one side, was the side that seemingly talked, but there was no thought behind it. And then the other half was the half that listened, and obeyed. It’s said when these two parts of the mind merged and met in the middle, that was when our self-consciousness, our self awareness, was evolutionarily born. It is of course a hypothesis, and not yet proven to be true, but here, in the reboot of Mark’s story, in his universe…. It is true.

Free Will is an illusion. And we, we are totally and 100%... aware of it. Like Wilford before us, speaking to a sleeping Abe, we are aware that things don’t make sense, that things aren’t what they should be. Like Wilford, we can now see; our boat is leaking, and its real bad.

The next question is though… is our ‘Abe’ aware, yet? And does he yet know that the boat is also leaking?

Speaking of leaking boats: Shuttle Marmota. You know it’s funny; Marmota is a family of ground squirrels, and the most famous of those ground squirrels is the groundhog. This is a pretty obvious reference here; Mark is harping back to Groundhog Day, a Bill Murray movie where a man relives the same day, over and over, trying to fix the mistakes and get out of his loop. There’s also a recurring theme in Mark’s works about hamsters in wheels. And how they go nowhere. These little rodents that run and run and run, going in circles, but never actually moving forward. They only think they are.

And this section is about one of those little rodents, thinking it’s moving forward, again and again, but they’re stuck. But they don’t know they are stuck. And for better or worse, only we can pull them out of it.

There’s an old saying about ‘getting lost in the sauce’. It’s an idiom that has a few meanings: One is when someone is so inebriated, that can’t tell left from right, and have no idea what’s going on. Another meaning is someone who is wholly preoccupied with a strange event, something out of the ordinary. Another is someone who is completely oblivious to their surroundings. And finally, there is a meaning that is denoted to someone who is neglected, someone who has been feeling abandoned, lost and alone in a crowd of people.

It’s hard to see Mark, Actor Mark, as being someone like that. He’s the one who makes these worlds, after all! He’s got all these beautiful plans, and brilliant stories! Hundreds of them! Millions! Countless! How could he, the creator of these stories, really be lost in his own sauce? How could he get lost in his own stories? That’s impossible, isn’t it? What kind of reason would Mark have, to not only reset the universe, but also reset himself, to the point that even he forgets?

It appears the answer is… remorse. As this new universe starts and we see Mark in different roles, We meet his old self in a diner, and he laments over his decisions, and his mistakes. In doing so, his old self seems to have a moment of clarity:

For the first time in the entirety of Space (Or Hell, in the entirety of the Markiplier continuity), Actor Mark tells us that these are his mistakes, and that he is the one to cause all of this. He then instructs us to tell his younger self NOT to go back-- we of course, don’t know what this means, not yet, but we will soon. However, its really hard to remind someone of what they shouldn’t be doing, when they are running so hard from their problems that they don’t even know what role they are playing.

Mark appears to us as a murderer, a divorced father, a lover ready to go on his first date, a porno star, a cryptid named heehoo, a camp counselor, a bomb diffuser. And every time, we have to try and follow him down his rabbit holes. We have to wake up him. And sometimes…

Sometimes, he stops running away. He realizes what’s going on because we tell him. We finally get our hamster, running his wheels, to wake up. The only problem is, every time he wakes up, he’s right back where he started.

He still blames us.

And it’s incredibly hard, its so frustrating and difficult, for us to see every possibility, every world, every ending, before we can say or do anything. Our semblance of choice, our free will is gone, and we are wide awake to remember all of it. Have we slept? Are we making progress? Are we also slowly getting lost in some sort of sauce ourselves, as we try desperately to spin our hamster wheel in a futile attempt to catch Mark before we lose him again? Does Mark… even want to be found?

Because there does come a time where one has to wonder how much of this is denial, on Mark’s end. The constant running, role swapping, forgetting. He doesn’t want to remember, maybe. Perhaps he wants to forget. Ignorance is Bliss, after all. Easier to forget and start a new world, a new life, instead of having your past mistakes chase after you, again and again.

And what are we, but a past mistake, chasing after Mark’s roles? Trying desperately to get through to him?

ACT V: I CAN NEVER BE FREE

Mark, throughout Space, sometimes feels like a lost cause. But after we wake him up enough times, we start to see moments of… clarity. And this clarity first comes to us in the form of an old friend of ours who helped break out of prison:

Yancy.

Now, this will be a little controversial, I know. Many people in the fandom adore Yancy, for good reason, but they can take the news that Yancy is actually Actor (someone we have been trained to hate) pretty hard. But whether or not Yancy is truly Actor in disguise, the parallels drawn between these two men and their current predicaments cannot be overlooked. In Heist, Yancy does not want to leave prison; why would he, he has everything he wants! And at that time, Actor had no reason to even think about leaving the House, or his stories. He was content and happy! So why would he want to leave?

But for Yancy, and subsequently Actor, something has… changed their mind.

Yancy has chosen parole over being locked up. He thought about what happened, what we said, and has decided… I don’t want to live like this forever. Maybe I should change my circumstances, move on, instead of running my wheel here. Also interesting to note that, while we speak to Yancy, it is through a glass window, one that is reminiscent both of the screen we view the shows through, and the mirror we got locked into.

What does this say about Actor though? It means some part of Actor, despite how much bargaining and denial he may be in, is still interested in getting out of the loop. He’s tired of spinning his wheels. He wants to move on but how? He doesn’t know. He can only have one last hurrah before… before trying to break free. And get out of this place.

Then, as we leave Yancy behind, finally, finally, we start to get the truth out of Mark. ACTOR Mark, not one of his personas. He speaks to us straight. Or,well, in song.

Space was so cool…but now?

Universe unspooled, so cruel, to be leaving with only a melody… So pretty… What a pity

It won’t live in a memory… because he’s been forcing everyone to forget. To start over. To just play a different role and move on. He so intensely wants to find a solution to the problem, he wants to start trying again, but what will that do? What will it accomplish?

But now its all pulling apart…

Mark is starting to remember… everything. He knows what’s wrong, and he thinks still, if only there was a way for him to uncover every stone, and never give up. “Stay bright till we’re burned”, he says, but what good is it to be burned? To be hurt in the process? What if you’re burned so badly you're scarred, forever, Mark?

After the song, we are transported directly to the diner… To the end of all things. We meet an old friend once again, and he talks to us about the end. As he does so, he starts to say some… interesting things.

We actually heard this from someone else before… Dorene.

This is most certainly a reiteration of theming, but it is worth noting that this other line comes from her, and that the two ‘elder presenting’ characters in this are the ones that are speaking about how not all choices matter, just a few. Perhaps there is some wisdom there. Some choices are everything, after all.

But it’s what Mark continues with, that is most telling. He tells us that, here at the end of all things, he is content. Happy.

He is this close to finally having an end to all of this. All this… running around, back and forth, going and coming back, living and never dying. He’s so close to an end. His end. But there’s also something else, hidden in those words. A real sadness, of something that was understood far too late into his life by this point.

Mark is talking about something entirely out of the purview of the story we’ve been trekking so diligently through. He speaks of loss here, of something he once had, that he held onto too tightly. However, like sand, it doesn’t matter sometimes how tightly you hold onto something, it may still leave regardless. And perhaps, maybe that’s okay. He surmises that mistakes will always happen and that some things, are just not meant to be.

Of course, Actor Mark here is entirely talking about Celine.

Celine, the woman he desperately tried to hold onto. Celine, the woman who broke his heart and left him. Celine, who ran off with his best friend and left him, alone and confused and heartbroken. He agonized over it for YEARS, blaming her, blaming anyone but himself. And it’s only now that he finally understands.

A moment too late, really.

Or is it?

This version of Mark disappears right before our eyes, but we are still here. We haven’t met ‘the end’ just yet. So what is it, then? One can only assume that because this Mark is gone, perhaps the paradox resolved itself. That seems mighty hopeful but then, isn’t that all someone needs, in the end?

ACT VI: THE LAMENT OF THE ACTOR

We open the door. One last, final door. And as we do, we enter into the final act one.. last... time.

Despite the apparel, we are not greeted by Head Engineer Mark in this room, oh no. He looks the part, plays it, but there is something else here. Something bubbling under the surface; a resentment, a remorse, an anger and a bargaining chip. The warp core, built by Mark himself, sits in the room. It’s his salvation. It’s his way out.

He has to go back. He has to save everyone. It’s his obsession, his absolution, his white whale. It’s the only thing he’s ever known. To save everyone, he has to stop us. He is dangerously sure of it.

Remember, back in Act II, where I recalled Mark’s plans? His perfect revenge to get back at Colonel all falling to pieces, because of us being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Keep that in mind, because it’s important, going forward.

Mark is still convinced that we are the problem here. He’s laying it all on us in a huge, prepared monologue. Who knows how long he has been sitting on this, thinking about this, ruminating over the warp core and the decisions made long ago that he can’t figure out how to undo. He’s thinking about all the friends he’s lost, all the grief he feels, and how he’ll be the hero, if only he can stop us from doing… whatever it is we did. And suddenly, in the most pivotal moment of all…

We learn Mark doesn’t even know what it is that we’ve done.

And it isn’t until we refuse to let him go, when we hold onto our hope does he start to understand, fully, the ramifications of our actions.

Mark is grieving. He wants to go back and fix things. He isn’t just talking about the ship anymore, though to his credit, he keeps that act up rather well. What we are seeing here is a Mark that has had an eternity to think about what happened and was so sure that if he went back and fixed what we did wrong in his plan, nobody would die. But the world doesn’t work like that. The party still happened; we can’t change it. We can’t change the past and undue the mistakes we’ve done.

Once Mark realizes this, once he realizes what would happen if he chooses to never go back, He has his full wake up moment.

If I’m not back then… the party doesn’t happen?

But I thought the problem was you, because you were the wrench in my plan.

But I caused the problem at the party?

I caused all this.

And as soon as Mark makes this realization, that he finally understands that he caused the problems… the By Lake Surprise piano overture begins to play. This is song that binds everything in the Who Killed Markiplier series together, this piano key denotes somber tones, character realizations, and the tragedy of endings and beginnings. This is Actor, finally, coming to terms with what happened and suddenly realizing that… He caused the pain of his friends and drove Celine away.

For the first time, Actor is honest and we see the real Mark. We see, probably, for the first time in the entire series, the man that Celine fell in love with, who Wil and Damien was best friends with, before a broken heart and an evil, possessed House turned him into a warped, angry version of the man he once was. A man blinded by his rage and agony, that for countless lifetimes, he believed that everyone else was the problem. And only now is he seeing what it really is. And he realizes… He’s tired. He hasn’t slept in ages. He can’t even die properly. He’s been running shows and going down rabbit holes for eons and eons… for who knows how long. This is a man suddenly bearing his soul to us, his full amount of pain and tragedy, on the floor, at the end.

And for the first time, he says this and he means it.

And in the end, we, the DA, the long time companion of all of these characters and especially Mark, who has taken us on story after story, kept us asleep and then awake, forgetting and now remembering everything… We know what happened. He knows. And he’s sorry. And for the first time, not only can we hear his apology, we can accept it. Wholly. Entirely. Completely.

You see, in the end, sometimes, you can’t fix everything. We can we regret so much. We can have so much pain. We can miss those we love and wish to hang onto them forever. We want to right the mistakes, rewrite the past. But we can’t. And sometimes, that’s okay. Some things just can’t be fixed. And we have to learn to be alright with that.

What a beautiful tragedy this all is, isn’t it?

In the end, the story concludes. Actor Mark allows this one to roll into the credits and lets everyone play out the last remaining lines. Celci congratulates us and Burt reminds us that all is as it should be. And then Mark… well.

I think it’s safe to say that, no matter what the future holds, Actor Mark is ready to move forward. He’s accepted his truths. And he’s ready, finally, to be free.

EPILOGUE: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BROKEN COIN

You know, every story has a choice, even in the end. And while we can hold onto Mark and bring him to his conclusion, there is another side to this story. A very important one at that.

Dorene.

Yes, Dorene. Her conclusion here is just as important as Mark’s, and is very important people understand why.

That’s because when mistakes are made, it is rarely, if ever, only one person’s fault. It’s usually the fault of both parties, in some way, and both parties need to come to terms with their choices, whatever they may be. And Dorene, being Dark with an aged Celine at the wheel, has had a lot to think about these days.

First off, yes, I 100% believe that Dorene is the entity we know as ‘Darkiplier’, secret ending to Space or not. Remember that Dark has never been named, and that Celine is just as important a part of Dark as Damien is. Just because we see Dark as predominantly male with Damien in the front, doesn’t mean that is all Dark is. This line here proves it:

She speaks Damien’s line and almost refers to him as her brother. But it is important to note that neither Celine or Damien are the same anymore. They are one and the same. However, that doesn’t mean they can’t hold onto their memories. And what sort of things would the Celine half be reminiscing over?

In a room with a frozen Mark dead on the floor, Dorene can’t help but ask ‘do you think she had the right idea?’ One could be mistaken in thinking she is talking about Celci here. But who is Celci, if not an analog for Celine? And what sort of decision did Celine make, that would be a matter of perspective?

She chose to leave Mark. And that decision, good or bad, sparked everything that came afterwards.

This Celine!Dark, this Dorene, is older, tired, a worn and broken soul. And she’s had a lot of time to think about that decision she made, so long ago. Was it the right choice, to leave Mark? Was it the wrong one? It hurt so much, but who was it right or wrong for? And she has come to the conclusion that she had to make a choice, because otherwise she wasn’t living at all.

She shows up like this in the ‘Let Go’ ending, which just sends us back around to start over and try again. I think that is because she’s trying to send us a message, send Mark a message, and try and get everyone to move on and stop spinning the wheels when the hamsters are dead. She wants Mark to let go of her, and to move on and find happiness, but she also needs to make sure we understand the ramifications of the choices we make as well. And she’ll remind us, over and over again, of how stubborn we are, how it feels like you’ve been here before. She’ll do it as many times as it takes, as long as it gets you to fully wake up.

And when you do, you’ll hold on. And she’ll be there to congratulate you in the end when you do, one way or another.

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theoneicelady · 2 years

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ISWM - NEW DORENE WHITACARE INFO

Yall know how her beauty mark (a star) changes place throughout ISWM?

Turns out -according to the makeup artist of ISWM- that it was intentional! BUT it was a joke, a reference to Robin Hood: Men in tights, where one of the characters' moles moves around from scene to scene.

HOWEVER, she also confirmed that theres Lore surrounding Dorene that shes probably not allowed to discuss!

(Since shes the makeup artist, I personally believe those might be related as to why only Dorene and Celci have blue eyebrows, or similar makeup- so I think this helps the idea that we're headed well with our theories!!)

(Hoping to get answers on the explanation stream, but sharing the info we got til then)

#dorene iswm #dorene l. whitacare #dorene whitacare #dorene l. whitacre #dorene whitacre #also adding the wrong spelling tags since they were suggested lmao #to reach yall #markiplier #iswm #iswm 2 #in space with markiplier #iswm 2 spoilers

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lineralangohr · 2 years

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Here are my thoughts on Actor Mark in ISWM. I’ve seen a lot of discussion about Head Engineer Mark and whether that’s actually him and if he’s genuine and in which scene you can see behind his facade, and I mean yes, obviously he’s there in the meta scene of part 1 and I’m not saying that there is no connection between him and the head engineer...

...BUT what I believe is that these parts are more like traces on the character than “the true self showing through the cracks”. Mostly because he’s not the hero in his own story.

We’ve gotten to know the Actor as a narcissist who’s obsessed with the idea that he’s the hero. The leading role in his own stories. And both AHWM and ISWM start out with him posing in the spotlight, us just trailing behind him like a sidekick. But that quickly changes.

He gets dirty, he faceplants, he gets tossed around like a ragdoll or punched through brick walls, he’s whiny and scared and he’d definitely rather stay out of danger than play the hero.

He basically becomes the adorkable sidekick of the story. I really don’t think it adds up with what we know about the Actor.

So what I believe is: Assuming that the Actor is still behind all of this, the stories and characters do start out as his own, but then quickly get away from him. He probably believes that he is in control in “his world”, but he never really was - it has its own mind and his story never really turns out the way he intended. It takes it’s own course with us as the protagonist.

And the character he plays? Well, Head Engineer Mark wouldn’t exist without him because yeah, it’s a role he plays. But what if as soon as those roles come to life, they become their own separate being. What if a character in a story becomes self-aware and doesn’t even know they were made up or played by someone else. And yes, they will still have some traits of that person, but that doesn’t mean they’re the same individual. They become something on their own and experience further character growth the longer they are around (and Head Engineer Mark has been around for a LONG time by the end of ISWM).

And if we assume that the theory about Dorene being Celine holds any water, the way she interacts with the head engineer only proves this. The last time Celine and the Actor met, she didn’t even hesitate to throw an axe into his chest.

She doesn’t react like that with the head engineer.

Unless those cookies were laced with arsenic, she is just polite and friendly towards him. Only when she needs to remind Mark for the second time that she is no longer married she gets a little harsh for a moment. And when she tries to jog our memory during the third time we summoned her, she just ignores him. He’s just not that important.

Because he’s not the Mark she’s after. There is no mask she could tear off him to reveal the Actor. It’s head engineer Mark and he’s probably not even that important from her point of view.

Edit: I originally wrote this post before the explanation stream and now after it I’m sticking to this concept of a role turning into an individual after its “creation” more than ever. The beauty of it is that we can have the Actor still be a defining factor in the grand total of it, but also just take the story for what it is (which I strongly believe is what Mark wants us to do above all).

#ISWM #iswm spoilers #ISWM 2 spoilers #in space with markiplier #iswm theory #actor Mark #Actor!Mark #celine the seer #Dorene L. Whitacare #headcanons #I feel like this has been largely accepted for the classic 'egos' but not for the CYOA Marks #but that's how that world works #characters are people and vice versa

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buc-eebarnes · 2 years

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bois. once again, it's wip wednesday in some universe somewhere! this is a snippet from ch. 5.

You veer in the direction of the hospital, waving hello to the colonists you pass by. Soon, with the construction of city hall, there’ll be a mayor to help take care of things on this side of the colony, and you can delegate meetings with other alien life to them.

“Nice morning, isn’t it, Captain?”

The sweet, grandmotherly voice stops you in your tracks.

To your left is an elderly woman sitting on a bench, wearing white octagonal spectacles and a black shawl decorated with silver stars and celestial bodies. She’s bundled all the way down to her toes, and as a reflex, you wince in sympathy—there might be a breeze but the heat is still a tad bit unforgiving. She sits primly on the bench, blinking up at you with a smile. “I hope you’ve been doing well.”

“Mrs. Whitacare,” you gasp softly. “How—”

“Not married anymore, sweetie,” she reminds gently. “I haven’t been married in a long time.”

“Right. Sorry.”

“Oh,” she waves a hand flippantly, “don’t be. It was for the better. The fights we'd have…the neighbors must've heard us for miles. My ex-husband could be a real asshole. Narcissistic, egotistical, thought everything revolved around him. I had half a mind to club him over the head, if I could’ve. He drove me right into the arms of someone else.” At your bewildered expression, she backtracks. “I apologize, dearie, I didn’t mean to burden you with all of that.”

There’s something familiar about this story.

“Don’t worry about it,” you shake your head. “Well, I hope you and the other person are—”

“I ended up leaving him.” She doesn’t look remorseful about it. “I still love him. Oh, do I still love him. But I needed to leave him. We were on two different paths of life, and I had my own interests I wanted to pursue.”

You press your lips together. Yeah. This story is awfully familiar. “Well, I’m sorry that particular relationship didn’t work out, then.” You shove your hands into your pockets. “However, I am curious about why you decided to come onto this voyage with us. Did you have any family you traveled on the ship with?”

“No, it was just me. But it was my decision. I wanted to explore a different life before it was time for me to go.”

Nodding, you give her a small smile. “Well, on behalf of the entire Invincible crew, thank you for choosing us to be part of your life, Ms. Whitacare.”

“You can call me Dorene, Captain.”

“Dorene,” your smile gets wider.

“And it’s like my—” and she pauses, catching herself. Her smile is somber when she corrects it to, “—like an old friend used to say, ‘Life is—”

“—ours to choose,’” you finish, and Dorene blinks up at you in surprise.

“Oh? You remember.”

Whatever you’re about to say gets cut off.

“Captain!”

You turn towards Celine, who’s bounding down the steps of the hospital. Her goggles wobble precariously on top of her head, and once she reaches you, she holds up your prescription with a raised eyebrow.

“Were you coming to get these?”

“Yeah,” you say, turning back to Dorene, “once I finished talking to—”

The bench is empty.

Your whole body swivels around to see where she’s gone, but it’s as if she just vanished into thin air.

“Captain, you okay?”

“Celine, did you happen to see Ms. Whitacare around anywhere?”

“Wh—Celine? Ms. Whitacare?”

Your eyes land on your cryogenics lead again, and you reel back from what you’d just said.

“I’m so sorry, I’m so sorry,” you close your eyes apologetically. “Celci. I meant to say ‘Celci’.” Opening them back up again, you take in her concerned expression. “I had—I was thinking about someone else. You just—you just reminded me of her. Sorry.”

Celci purses her lips. “It’s okay, Captain. Who’s Ms. Whitacare?”

“What do you mean?” you frown. “She’s one of the colonists who came on board with us.”

“Mmm, I don’t remember the name. Let me double-check, hang on.” She hands you your pills and pulls out her datapad, brow furrowed as she scans through the colonists.

You sigh heavily, twisting the pill bottle between your fingers.

Chapter 5 will hopefully be finished within the next week! My cousin is getting married this weekend so I will be BUSY busy. see you guys with ch. 5 soon!

#my fic #juls rambles #emymia

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lavender-cassidy-iplier · 2 years

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Honestly this is my first time ever on Tumblr so, for my first post I'll be explaining what exactly I'll be doing here and posting about.

♡ Fandoms I'll post about ♡

- DDLC (Doki Doki Literature club)

- Alter Ego Fandom

♡ What I do post ♡

- Headcanons

- Theories

- RP plots

- X Reader's or Insert Reader's

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✘ What I don't post ✘

- Fandoms I'm not in or I have no knowledge of

- 18+ requests

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♡ Egos / Characters I'll post about ♡

🥀🌻 Iplier Egos 🌻🥀

💞 Mark Fischbach (Creator) 💞

🖤💙❤ Darkiplier / Damien Whitacare ❤💙🖤

🥞🍨💖 Wilford Warfstache 💖🍨🥞

💙👓 Googleiplier 👓💙

🎮🎲Bim Trimmer 🎲🎮

💛💉 Dr. Iplier 💉💛

💞💕 Yandereiplier 💕💞

🥈🏋 Silver Shepherd 🏋🥈

🧡🛹 Bingiplier 🛹🧡

💕💗 Actor Mark 💕💗

💃⚪ Yancy ⚪💃

💙📷 Jim's 📷💙

🧡🤠 Illinois 🤠🧡

❤📔 The Host/Author 📔❤

💭💖 Eric 💖💭

🏴‍☠️🌊 Captain Magnum 🌊🏴‍☠️

🌸💖 Pasteliplier 💖🌸

♻️💚 Ed Edgar 💚♻️

🍲💝 Chefiplier 💝🍲

⬜🖤 Annus 🖤⬜

💀 WKM (Who Killed Markiplier?) 💀

😇💝 DA (District Attorney) / Vanessa Rae Smith 💝😇

🕵💢 Abe The Detective 💢🕵

🍲 Angy Chef 🍲

💙🍵 Benjamin Butler 🍵💙

🏵👒George Groundsman 👒🏵

🚀🌌 ISWM 🌌🚀

✨❄Celcionnia F. Kelvina / Celine Whitacare ❄✨

💠💙 Dorene L. Whitacare 💙💠

😴🤧 Head Engineer Mark / Spaceiplier 🤧😴

💄🌟 Lady 💄🌟

💢🔫 Gunther 🔫💢

💙🌧 Wug 🌧💙

🌼🃏Bandit Lady 🃏🌼

❤🔧 Burt 🔧❤

🚨 🚧 Construction Mark 🚧🚨

👴📔 Dadiplier / Stan? 📔👴

🏖💝 Life Guard Mark 💝🏖

🍕💘 Pizza Guy Mark 💘🍕

🍵🍪 Septic Egos 🍪🍵

🔔 Seán McLoughin (Creator) 🔔

💚 🔪🐢 Antisepticeye 🐢🔪💚

😇🥺 JJ 😇🥺

🐈✨ Marvin The Magnificent ✨🐈

💜🧟‍♂️ Robbie 🧟‍♂️💜

💚🦸‍♂️Jackieboyman 🦸‍♂️💚

🔫🧢 Chase Brody 🧢🔫

💚💉 Henrik Von Shneeplestein 💉💚

💙🖤 CrankGamePlay Egos 🖤💙

🍪💙 Ethan Nestor (Creator) 💙🍪

❔🖤 Unus 🖤❔

😞💙 Blank 😞💙

🍦💙 Mad Mike 💙🍦

💚☮️ Game Theory Egos ☮️💚

✅ ♻️ Matthew Patrick (Creator)♻️ ✅

💣🔥 Madpat 🔥💣

🥝💚 Mack (Theory Crew) 💚🥝

💜🎤 NWTB Egos 🎤💜

💜🎼 Nathan Sharp (Creator) 🎼💜

💋💅 Phantom 💋💅

🎸🎵 Natemare 🎵🎸

♥💮 Natepai 💮♥

📔💞 DDLC (Doki Doki Literature Club)💞📔

♟️🎲 Protagonist 🎲♟️

🍪💙 Sayori 💙🍪

😡🧁 Natsuki 🧁😡

🌻💚 Monika 💚🌻

🥀💜 Yuri 💜🥀

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Requests are open at anytime so you can request whatever you'd like from the characters I've listed out, and I'll do my best to deliver, I'll put this out here that I won't have stable Wi-Fi 24/7 but I'll try to do these things :) - Cassidy 💜

#imagines #ddlc #darkiplier #antisepticeye #natemare #phantom nwtb #madpat

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moomoorare · 2 years

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We can safely assume that Dorene Whitacare is Celci, or most precisely Celine.

(a late theory because i was 2 busy to post this sooner, i hope you enjoy and maybe even see my reasoning, let's go!)

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⚠️ SPOILERS AHEAD! READ AT OWN DISCRETION! Reader beware! Go watch In Space With Markiplier right now if u haven't already!!! It's really good ⚠️

I could only notice this when in the Let Go ending of ISWM 2 (the one that loops us back to the beginning of part 1) Dorene sits with us for a moment and she talks to us.

I never noticed this in ISWM 1, because of lighting or just because of not looking too closely but two striking characteristics of Celci's face: she's wearing blue eyeliner and her eyebrows are blue. Also her colour scheme is white and cyan, which we see throughout the whole show is basically the colour of anything that has to do with the Warp Crystal and The Void.

Enter Let Go, one of the two choices we're left with at the end of ISWM 2.

Ms. Whitacare offers us a mug and when we sit with her, we can finally closely see her face.

In the brief moment she remisces of Damien, almost calling him her brother, stumbling with her words then correcting her phrasing "Well, it's like my--", her face scrunches in grief and a sad smile, almost dismissing the thought as if silly, and continues ".. like an old friend used to say: Life is ours to choose."

And it's not just me throwing dices and hoping we get a good number, it's perfectly hidden in plain sight that there's a connection between Celci and Dorene.

Little notes in Noir Mark's locker, especially this one that reads "Dorine? Celci? Connection?" ↓

We see her name listed on the Colonists logs that reads "Dorene L. Whitacare" ↓

The captions when Mark refers to her as Miss Whitacre, immediately after she corrects him saying that she's not married anymore the first time we choose Wake Up Crew after we Put Out The Fire. ↓

Again the captions the third time we choose Wake Up Crew after we Put Out The Fire. This time Mark refers to her as Mrs. and she promptly and quite sharply corrects him saying "I told you I'm not married anymore". ↓

Now I think everyone has noticed the continuous back and forth on how to spell her names.

We see her first name spelled as Dorine and Dorene, her last name spelled Whitacre and Whitacare.

It's like she's not quite grounded like everyone else in the story, she shouldn't even be interacting directly with us since she's listed as a Colonist, meaning she should be in cryo-sleep with all the 100 thousand others in their own section of the ship.

But she's out and about, and while she mentions being asleep in a cryo-pod you should remember that everyone on the ship has been at one point.

This is surface level info, we know she's not a simple colonist, it's like she has written herself into the adventure, giving herself a role and nudging us toward the best choices to keep everyone alive.

When we deviate from the story, defying the Narrator's attempts to move us forwards to Part 2, we die and wake up again in the Void, she gives us a choice (which seems we can again defy, but can we really? No) and sends us on our way.

Only a few people are able to really have control over the Upside Down, first of all (Actor)Mark, then Wilford in is own unruly way, Dark and... Celine.

Backtracking to talking about how Ms. Whitacare's names are spelled, the only times we see her name go from Dorene to Dorine is in Mark's locker notes and when he calls her by her last name.

It's like Mark drew a big arrow pointing to Damien and Celine, an arrow starting from this kind old lady who loves to offer cookies. I mean, c'mon, even her name is a mix the siblings' names.

Also just because I can and i think it's funny, I'm gonna talk about Celci's name.

Her full name is Celcionna F. Kelvina. A temperature pun. There's really nothing to say except that i find it amusing and that's it's not really relevant to the lore, it's just a nod to the fact that she's head of Cryogenics. And uh, she gets nicknames, mainly from Mark: CC, Celci and well also Asshat, they both go back and forth with this. So lovely <3 lmao

Probable Conclusion:

She's Celine. Or what remains of her. How she got a body I don't know, maybe she got her own body back from the void, after all it was the only one left vacant after the mishaps of WKM.

Or:

We have many little details that make up an argument that in my opinion is quite strong. The only way you could convince me otherwise is that this isn't Celine, but Dark doing his own thing. Sending us though the loop again when we fail to stop Mark, nudging us towards the right directions, punishing us when we refuse to comply. Probably to get the Warp Crystal, which he does in the Good Ending.

Because the most prominent lighting in the show is cyan that could be a direct tie to Damien, though maybe that would be too obvious. But!! When Wil opens a warmhole for us, it's pink. So i mean, I guess it's possible, or just a coincidence.

I don't know, the pieces don't seem to add up quite as neatly as my first theory. I might as well assume that Somehow the twins were split again, but since we don't see that, and that the Dorene equals Dark theory is a bit too meta, I'll wait for what Mark has to say in his Explanation stream on Sunday.

Anyways, thank you for reading ^_^

I'd love to hear what you think in the reblogs :)

#long post #in space with markiplier #in space with markiplier theory #iswm #iswm theory

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valiantsouls · 2 years

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FILE ; DORENE L. WHITACRE

ms. dorene l. whitacre. no longer married, but so repetitively referred to that way by the one && only head engineer, in spite of frequent reminders that she was not to be addressed that way. her persistant appearance seems unsuspicious to all, no matter how or why she appeared. she is sweet, fond of baking treats for the crew meant to be responsible for bringing herself && the colonists to a new planet.

her name is often referenced in different spellings. dorine? whitacare? she must have known far more than she let on, yes? she knew quicker than anyone else did, after all. but how could she? she was just a colonist, after all. right?

verse one ; ‘ stay this way for the rest of the day ’ ( SHOWTIME ) you are trapped in the wormhole, but fear not! ms. whitacre is here to help you && mark, after all. you’re not sure why she keeps showing up instead of the proper crewmembers you were trying to wake, or why with each passing attempt to fix what was wrong that she said more && more cryptic things. but, hey, she makes a wicked good cookie, huh?

verse two ; ‘ watch the time go ’ ( ... ) where did she go? ... perhaps you should click through to the blog?

#【 IT'S US ; YES WE'RE BACK AGAIN | WHITACRE ( ABOUT ). 】#【 WAKE UP ; SAY GOOD MORNING | WHITACRE ( AESTHETIC ). 】#【 THAT SLEEPY PERSON LYING NEXT TO YOU | WHITACRE ( CHARACTER STUDY ). 】#【 HERE TO SEE YOU THROUGH 'TIL THE DAY IS END | WHITACRE ( DESIRES ). 】#【 THE WAR IS OVER && WE ARE BEGINNING | WHITACRE ( HEADCANONS ). 】#【 IF YOU LOST IT ALL && YOU LOST IT | WHITACRE ( IC ). 】#【 LIFT YOUR HEAD && LOOK OUT THE WINDOW | WHITACRE ( LIKES ). 】#【 LISTEN ; THE BIRDS SING | WHITACRE ( TUNES ). 】#【 ALL THE LIVING ARE DEAD && THE DEAD ARE ALL LIVING | WHITACRE ( MUSINGS ). 】#【 STAY THAT WAY FOR THE REST OF THE DAY | WHITACRE ( VERSE ONE ). 】#【 WATCH THE TIME GO | WHITACRE ( VERSE TWO ). 】#【 THE DARK WAS FILLED WITH DREAD | WHITACRE ( VISAGE ). 】#【 IT STARTS UP IN OUR BEDROOM AFTER THE WAR | WHITACRE ( WARDROBE ). 】

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hereforthehaunts · 2 years

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Can we talk about Celci’s description on the USA website?

“Appears to be made of ice. Two sets of eyes. Both for science. Secondary personality around Mark.”

Many of us have been theorizing about the connections between Celci, Ms. Whitacare, and Celine. We can all thank this sticky note for that (among other reasons lol)

I just think it’s interesting that this description alludes to doubles so often. “Two sets of eyes” “Secondary personality around Mark” honorable mention to the word “both” lol

Does this really tell us anything? No, but it does continue to point towards the duality of the situation between Celci and Ms. Whitacare. Celci looks like Celine (obviously being played by Pam), while Ms. Whitacare appears to have many connections to Celine as well (style, power, general vibes).

Something is going on here.

The line “Appears to be made of ice” is also interesting. Ice/cryogenics is Celci’s whole thing, and it’s also a comment on how she often acts coldly towards Mark. But this could also potentially allude to Celci being something of smokescreen. We see Celine’s face and immediately alarm bells go off in our heads: that’s Celine! But could this be a misdirection? Could she metaphorically be “made of ice” aka not really what we’re looking for, not the real deal? cough maybe because Ms. Whitacare is Celine?

Who is sus? Is Celci an imposter? Among us?

I don’t know. I kind of lost my steam at the end. I just wanted to point out all the “double” talk in her description because I found it interesting. Do with it what you will!

#iswm #in space with markiplier #iswm theory #in space with markiplier theory #mrs whitacare #dorene l whitacare #dorene whitacare #celine #iswm celci #celci f kelvina #iswm spoilers #its late im tired and im not sure what i wanted to say here lmao

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ironwoman359 · 2 years

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Who is Dorene Whitacre?

(Image: Dorene Whitacre is standing in a darkened room, illuminated by a pale blue light. Black specks that resemble dirt or ash float through the air around her.)

part 1 of this theory is here

Someone who in the first few videos of the run I thought was just a joke character might in fact be the key to unraveling the entire mystery. Even in her first few appearances, you realize very quickly that this is a character who knows more than she should.

(Image: Dorene is leaning towards you in the cryo room, next to a frozen Mark. She’s looking at you intently, saying “Makes you feel like you’ve been through all of this before.)

And then by the end, you know that she is somehow far more connected to the whole situation than you previously thought.

(Image: The credits of ISWM scroll on the right side of the screen as Dorene addresses you from the void: “Do you know who you are?”)

(Image: Dorene stands in the same dark void, asking “Do you feel like you’ve been here before?”)

(Image: Dorene says “Or is this just history repeating itself over and over?”)

Something about the lighting and particle effects in this ending reminded me of something, and when I went back to check, sure enough, in one of the very first videos, when the captain is experiencing oxygen deprivation, we see the very same lighting and effects used.

(Image: the bridge of the Invincible in a pale blue light with black particles floating around. There are signs in scrawled handwriting posted all over the walls. Most are covered in tally marks, but one reads “Don’t Open the Door” and another reads “Stop, Don’t Wake the Captain”)

(Image: the cryo pod on the bridge is covered in similar signs, reading “The Captain Needs their Sleep” and “Sleepy Head” and “Shhh Don’t Wake the Captain” along with more signs with tally marks.)

(Image: The inside of the cryo pod is lit up bright blue by two pricks of blue light that resemble eyes staring out at you. The silhouette of a hand can be seen pressing up against the class of the cryo pod.)

Now, I when I watched Heist for the first time, I tried to separate it as much as I could from WKM, because while there were definitely nods to the lore in a few of the runs, it was clear that Mark wanted Heist to be its own creation, and most of the routes had nothing to do with the plot and characters from WKM. But this time...this time it feels harder to separate them. First of all there’s the appearance of Wilford in one of the endings, and Actor Mark in another.

(Image: Wilford standing in the Invincible’s warp corridor, holding up two fingers towards the viewer, saying “Our meeting is in part two, which is not now.”)

(Image: A view through the door of a backstage area where a version of Mark wearing a red robe sits in a chair being attended to by hair and makeup crew.)

Not only is it Wilford and Actor Mark, but it’s Wilford as he appears in Wilford Motherlovin’ Warfstache, before he’s completely transformed into the pink mustached television host that we know, and it’s Actor Mark wearing the red robe and cravat that Mark wore in WKM, confirming in my eyes the theory that Actor Mark from Date and Mark from WKM (who is technically possessing Damien’s body right now) are the same person.

Then, you have this little detail:

(Image: the post it notes on the door of Mark’s locker on the Noir version of the Invincible. One sticky note reads “Captain Call Me: 555-2702,″ one says “Warfstache was here!” with a drawing of a cartoon mustache, and the last one reads “Dorine? Celci? Connection?”)

(FYI, the ship roster on your tablet spells her name Dorene Whitacare, while the sticky note says Dorine and the subtitles Mrs. Whitacre. I don’t personally think the spelling differences matter, but I wanted to still point them out).

Not to be too tinfoil hat, but the names Dorine plus Celci could....possibly.... equal Celine? Celine who has...let’s say similar taste in style to our dear Mrs. Whitacre...sorry, Miss Whitacre, she’s not....married....anymore. Huh. Sounds familiar.

(Image: Celine from WKM, standing in the doorway to the manor. She has short black hair, is wearing a black dress with a star pattern and a shawl, and is played by the same actress who plays Celci in ISWM)

But for a moment, let’s say that the connection isn’t Celine (unlikely in my mind, but let’s say it). There’s still something going on with Dorene and Celci beyond just this sticky note. What? Well, that blue lighting and particle effects only appear two times, once with Dorene at the end and once in the “hallucination.” And what else do we see in the hallucination that we see one other time in the story? Glowing blue eyes...

(Image: the silhouette of Celci behind a frozen wall in cryo. Her eyes are glowing blue through the glass, possibly from her cryo goggles. She says “Sometimes the best decision is for things to end.”)

Both Celci and Dorene have some kind of connection to whatever the “hallucination” was at the beginning...and what do you know, the effects in said hallucination and the ending void kind of remind me of the visions from Who Killed Markiplier...

(Image: Damien from Who Killed Markiplier in a flashback vision. The scene is filtered through a blue light similar to the filter over the oxygen hallucination from ISWM, and there are white particle effects across the screen.)

(Image: Damien from Who Killed Markiplier with the same visual effects.)

And you know what else reminds me of Who Killed Markiplier?

(Image: Celine and Damien from WKM are trapped in a black void. Damien stands on the right and is illuminated in blue, while Celine stands on the left, illuminated in red. She is telling the player to “Just relax” before sending them back into their previously dead body.)

(Image: Celci from ISWM telling the player to “Just take a deep breath and relax” before sending them into cryosleep.)

(Image: Celine, in the void with Damien, tells the player “I won’t force this on you. You have a choice here.”

(Image: Dorene stands in her void at the end of ISWM with credits rolling. She tells the player “You always did have a choice.”)

I’m not willing to call the lighting similarities between flashbacks in WKM and hallucinations (or whatever that scene was) definitive proof, but it certainly is interesting. But the dialogue similarities between Celine and the Space characters, especially Dorene....there may be something to that. Not to mention the fact that I don’t think many people would have made a connection between Dorene and Celci without that post it note. The fact that Pam plays Celci is not enough in my mind to make that character suspicious, since we saw with Mick in Heist that actors in Mark’s projects are capable of playing characters totally unrelated to previous roles. But all these similarities and callbacks, plus character parallels between Celine and Celci (being strong willed, having animosity towards Mark, insisting to the player that her way is the correct way to handle things, etc) make me think that it’s not too big a leap or a red herring, there’s really something to this.

And this whole talk about choices is bothering me...because when Celine sends the player back into their body, she says that we have a choice...but we don’t really, do we? WKM isn’t choose your own adventure, it’s a short film that’s in first person. And with Dorene, she says we always had a choice, but this is the only choose your own adventure series Mark has ever put out where no matter what you do, things always cycle back to the same ending.

It doesn’t matter what you do in the beginning, eventually, you will die, and when you die, you return to the ship and the warp core gives you its crystal. And save for refusing to go into the portal or sleeping in cryo forever (both choices that are directly related to either Celci or Dorene, by the way), there’s nothing you can do after you get the crystal to avoid going into the warp core and having Mark- who presumably has been living on the ship alone for years, waiting for you to reappear so he can trap you outside the known universe in a misguided attempt to save it- accidentally destroy everything.

Everyone keeps berating you for your choices, but like the Bandit says, do they even matter? On my first run of this, I made a vow that I was going to be the absolute best captain I could be, I was going to make the decisions that I thought would save the most people, I didn’t open any doors, didn’t blow anything up unnecessarily, I tried every time to do the right thing, to find the right answer, but it didn’t matter. Things always end the same way, it’s less like Heist and more like WKM. Dorene said at the beginning that we just have to find the right answer. Well, I’m convinced that, at least in this version of the universe, the right answer didn’t exist. Maybe when we find whoever is responsible for all this, we’ll be able to fix it, but until then, all we can do is wait for one more month...

(Image: Actor Mark sitting backstage, telling his makeup artist “Yeah. I have one month of parole left.”)

.....oh boy.

And trust me, I have more to say about Dorene, and Celine, and Will and Damien and Mark and Dark and all of them...but it’s almost 2am and a girl has to sleep sometime. So for now, I’ll just leave you with this to chew on, and we can start things fresh tomorrow. Until then....sweet dreams.

(Image: your cryo pod is completely covered in ice. Subtitles indicated Illinois’s voice as he walks away, leaving you to sleep in cryo forever: “Sweet dreams. Sweet dreams.”)

#markiplier #wkm #iswm #in space with markiplier #iswm theory #in space with markiplier theory

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laur-rants · 2 years

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so this might be totally off base, but considering our last known status of celine’s body was a play thing for a manor entity… any chance that celci is actually one long con trying to get us to trust a familiar face?

Oh I have thought about Celine's body because its one of those plot holes that Mark just sort of left floating in the void (hah) at the end of wkm. We know what happened to literally every other body (Mark's was too broken to be used, the house stole Celine, Damien's body went to Mark, Colonel is still himself, Abe is still around, and our body was taken and given to Celine and Damien to make Dark) BUT we have no idea what became of Celine's body, except that the house took it. I tend to ignore it... but man, how cool would it be if Mark closed that hole in iswm? I tend to think that the house is not Celci though. I think Celci is an Actor Mark character, created to be like Celine... so he can bully Celine. Writers do it all the time, take an old bully or ex, and make them someone to 'get back at' in their stories. I'm pretty sure I've even modeled an annoying personality after someone who bullied me before lol. That's what Celci is; a Celine analog that reminds us OF Celine on purpose (but isnt her at all, which makes her a red herring) Now... despite me screaming from the heavens that Dorene is Dark, there is also a possibility.... that Dorene is the house entity. This would be her aged up in Celine's body still, with full control over the house, and something outside of Mark's bidding (which would cause him to be accepting but also confused by her presence). It could be toying with us, using language that invokes familiar faces or people (like Damien and Dark), to get us to be more complacent. It may not actually be helping us, but instead have it's own agenda.

So yeah... something to keep in mind. Is Dorene Dark? Or just the house entity trying to convince us that Dorene is Dark? It's all very interesting to think about, and a lot of fun, too. C:

#iswm #in space with markiplier #wkm #who killed markiplier #markiplier #asks #time is restored #celine #dorene whitacare #analysis #meta #theories #the house is probably a player #we just dont know how #i dont know 100% if mark will fix that plot hole #but if he does dorene is a perfect opportunity for it

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theoneicelady · 2 years

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ISWM THEORY -

The dad character that begins part 2 is actually Wilford Warfstache

The theory:

This is not the water man nor a random guy, this is a character Wilford plays in his mind where he imagines and acts what having a child (us in this case) would be like - if the events of WKM hadnt taken place.

The evidence:

A- He talks about how when having recurring nightmares, the way to cure it is another story.

Then proceeds to take out books from the shelf- all of which are Markipliers previous args. From his reactions (wkm-too grisly, adwm - he's read it too many times, etc) we can tell he knows and has been watching all of them as stories (not as a person living them).

-> It fits perfectly with Wilfords powers and behaviour, being outside of reality, coping with the trauma of WKM by jumping around the other "stories" , having them phisically as such. <-

B- He has reality altering powers

1.- The explosion of light and butterflies that happens when we choose the horror book, and he throws away the Romance one.

2.- The glass of water he takes out of his fanny pack to give to us

C- The room seems like a small, perfect set, with the warm (and at parts pinkish) glow of all the small lamps, giving coziness, and it contrasts heavily with the exterior of the house we see through the door, which is left open.

The outside is dark, cold, and contrasting in colour and feel - its strange that itd be left to see if it wasnt meant to convey anything. Specially since theres a kind of cover right outside of the childs room, obscuring the rest.

It makes sense however, if this room is the only thing that exists, the only thing thats needed.

The place thats warm, lightful and calming - as opposed to the colder, more depressing outside - and reality of Will's.

We can also see just outside, a hanged yellow piece of clothing. This would fit perfectly with Wilfords pants in Motherloving (and later in this very ISWM Part 2)

D.- When we choose Horror, the full scene and illusion is cut off when Dad reads of something standing behind us, and we can see a shadow right before of the cut to black.

The shadow looks like a snake -something which Actor!Mark has been called many times, including, again, in this very ISWM Part 2.

->It could be interpreted as how Mark stopped Will (and Celine) from having their life together. (Wkm)

Just afterwards too, we hear a snarl and gory sounds, and without a warp, we are transported to "A murder with Markiplier" which is a murder investigation scene- and perfectly parallels how Mark (the snake) separated William and Celine via the events of Who Killed Markiplier.<-

Other evidence:

-Right at the very beginning of part 2, when the universe reboots, it does so on Warfstache OS, and then, after a very glitchy speed run of part 1 and warp intro, Dad is the very first character we see.

-He speaks and acts in ways that remind of Wilford/William

-Has "Dad" written on his shirt, as in proving the character he is supposed to play (in a slightly forced, cartoony way)

-Acts very caringly and prepared, as the perfect idea of a dad would (or as something rehearsed -the glass of water, the books, being just in time to console their frightened kid)

-Its the only time in all of ISWM we are not wearing our Captain suit or gloves.

-Instead of using a "gender neutral" colour for the gloves and socks of Y/N, we wear mismatched ones including pink rhombus ones, all in the chaotic style of Wilford

-WKM fitting dialogue - he talks about how romance reminds him of his mistakes and how if he tried harder he'd maybe deserve to be loved; (since he just thinks Celine disappeared without saying goodbye) and about how he's "divorced" -which could be a valid excuse in the illusion, as an explanation for why Celine isnt around anymore.

Conclusion:

Wilford might have/create illusions in which he had children with Celine, and being that his powers let him have others in/be in others minds (seen in Wilford Motherloving Warfstache, Damien) we briefly take the place of that imaginary child.

Credit to @zanda-rl for the original idea

#also if Ms Whitacare is Celine and she comforts us and gives us cookies #idk man maybe we got to know what their children wouldve lived #anyway I ran outta picture space #what do yall think?#markiplier #in space with markiplier #in space with markipler spoilers #in space with markiplier part 2 #iswm #iswm 2 spoilers #stan the water man #wilford warfstache #wilford motherloving warfstache #celine wkm #wkm #daddyplier #dorene whitacare #iswm theory #dilford

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lineralangohr · 2 years

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Dorene and Celine

Since Mark has given us permission to share the stuff he said about Dorene on the mixer, I’m gonna subject you to my own theory that has been stewing in my mind since I saw it and keeping me awake. And this one is kind of weird, so it’s either going to blow your mind or make me lose all of my credibility.

But first, here is a just slightly abridged transcript of some of the things he said about her concept (I tried to stay as close to the original as possible to avoid another game of telephone).

Dorene was a special case. Because I wrote in something, because it was story important, to showcase that you should not be awake during the initiation of the wormhole. It's bad. And clearly it's bad: you, the captain, were awake and everything is caused by that. Dorene is another person on the ship who was awake at the exact same time that you were. Everything that you can do, all the choices, the infinite choices that have been made, will be made or are made and are all simultaneously occurring, that happened to you – also happened to Dorene. At the exact same time. That's why Dorene, when you first meet Dorene, is kinda like “Oh, of course I'll help” even though things are glitchy and broken, that's why Dorene during the second time gets weirder and weirder, that's why Dorene the third time is already wise to everything that's happening. There are different points in time that Dorene has been experiencing in all of this chaos, but it has been happening at the same time it's happening to you. [...] Dorene is a colonist on the ship. But just like everything on this ship, and in this universe, and in this story, things can echo and get distorted as they go backwards and forwards in time. What Space is, it's a justification for everything to occur, that has occurred. The ripping open of this wormhole, the interweaving of these multiverses, the overlapping of concepts, the area outside the universe – you know, “the void”. All these things can exist simultaneously.

There is a lot to unpack here, but what stuck with me is the concept of her being able to make choices like we do and thus practically doing her own playthrough while we struggled to save the ship.

Maybe she went down a whole different path with universes that we didn’t even encounter there, but might have seen at a different time. And maybe even experienced another story or two from a different perspective than we did. She could even have gone through some older Markiplier projects since there is no clear timeline any more.

Now I might be going a little too far, but, you know how many of us made our own heistsonas or spacesonas or just any other kind of self insert OC? And even if we never drew them, we probably had at least a vague concept in our minds.

Guys. WHAT IF. She “played” through Who Killed Markiplier and DAMIEN as Celine.

Celine

her

#ISWM #iswm 2 #iswm spoilers #iswm theory #ISWM Dorene #Dorene L. Whitacare #Ms. Whitacre #celine the seer #who killed markiplier #in space with markiplier #in space with markiplier 2 #her WKMsona if you will #I was laughing my ass of when I first thought about it but #honestly think about it #how would Dorene's self-insert persona look #but even if the OC part isn't quite correct I strongly believe the rest to be true #and she definitely makes some story changing decisions in WKM #but also imagine in Damien #her choice when she sees Mark is either 'Alright let's talk' or 'AXE'

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dcat-could-be-spookier · 2 years

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So I've seen some people trying to see if Ms. Whitacre's name is some sort of anagram but maybe we also have to consider Dr. Kelvina's? Since there seems to be a connection after all