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interretialia · 7 months
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Chīrōn / Χείρων
Chiron
(Fons Imaginis.)
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Estonia also claims 17 main dialects (ignoring, for now, the somewhat florid count of 106...), and Saagpaak, compiler of the most comprehensive (as well as criticized) Estonian-English dictionary, counts 419 declensions (along with 40 "variants") and 146 conjugations, plus pronouns. Together, this gives us a potential 10098 different declensions and conjugations to learn, which, although clearly ridiculous (nobody will ever learn all 17 dialects, or any entire vocabulary), nevertheless indicates a complexity unknown to English speakers.
Add to this the fact there's no recognizable word for "he" or "she", no distinct future tense, two types of infinitive, and numerals that not even a Mayan would believe: sweet and innocent sixteen, for example, can be expressed under circumstances I'd rather not inquire rinto as kuueteistkümneis consisting in a genitive kuue, a partitive teist, and a plural inessive kümneis, roughly equivalent to 6 in the second set of 10s - three different cases in one word!
Although it sounds and is complicated, it is so only at the beginning. Afterwards, it gets worse.
- A Rambling Dictionary of Tallinn Street Names, Simon Hamilton pages vii-viii
(A Very Brief Introduction to the Estonian Language, snippet 3) (snippet 2) (snippet 1)
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meirlinjar · 11 months
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Adjectives in søłsiþe
adjectives decline to agree with the noun they modify:
common indefinite singular: et (CIS)
common indefinite plural: ez (CIP)
common definite singular: ek (CDS)
common definite plural: ezke (CDP)
neuter indefinite singular: ed (NIS)
neuter indefinite plural: er (NIP)
neuter definite singular: es (NDS)
neuter definite plural: eska (NDP)
If the adj ends in a vowel, drop the vowel and add the ending
Exception:
small: łile becomes såma in plural
CIS: łilet
CIP: såmet
CDS: łilek
CDP: såmezke
NIS: łiled
NIP: såmed
NDS: łiles
NDP: såmeska
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Hi! I just saw this post
( https://beautiful-basque-country.tumblr.com/post/706908144129982464/ )
Would it be accurate to say that Euskara has déclinaisons? (Excuse my French, but I don't know how to say it in English)
Kaixo!
Of course it would, completely. We call it deklinabidea in Euskara:
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The example of the post you mention needed the declension of question zertaz (about what, in what way) to show how the man was: umore txarrez.
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frogpaste · 1 month
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Short "o" and "jo" stem noun declensions in my balto-slavic conlang
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disastertrash · 7 months
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On the "rules" of language, and falling in love
Language is arbitrary. That is, people made up languages. And while people were doing so, there usually wasn't a council deciding each nuance and ink stamping in big bold that “these are the RULES”.
Instead, natural languages evolve naturally. As a patchwork of isolation, varying distances, trade, fads, oppression and various other conflicts, including straight-up war. And also in the pursuit of friendships, and love.
Sure, we sometimes spot patterns here and there. And in school teachers call those rules. But those "rules" are just training wheels. School introduces a version of a language that is smaller than the real thing. This is to help us remember. To keep us from being quite as overwhelmed. Or to enforce an oppressive social order.
After a certain point, hopefully we want to experience a more authentic version of a language. If we don’t eventually toss off the training wheels of rules, they’ll hinder us from experiencing the full, complex flavor of our languages.
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If you are in school, learning a language, and hate it or find it outrageously stressful. I hope you'll come back after you exit school. Don't worry about memorizing the rules this time around.
Put down that old habit of anxiety. Just spend time with the language now. Make friends with it. Like when we make friends with people, we slowly get to know someone over time. We soak them in when we spend time together. The more exposure, the more we begin to get a sense for prediction. And if you start to feel that old stress, make a cup of tea. Do something soothing. Remind yourself that you can make mistakes. There is no report card this time. It is just you, the language, and your curiosity.
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You get to set your own goals. It can be fluency. But, it doesn't have to be. If you are wondering what other goals there are besides fluency? Plenty. You could order a meal in a different language. Or write a haiku. You could get a penpal. Or understand dialogue in a video game.
If fluency is your end goal, make it a priority to set smaller goals along the way. You'll need those to keep you motivated over the years. Make those goals challenging enough to keep your interest. But not so challenging that you're intimidated away. A good challenge doesn't drain you. It motivates you. If you find yourself floundering, change your challenge. Set a different goal. Seek out that motivation.
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I didn't like English class in school. But after, on my own time, I fell in love with learning languages. I hope you will too. ~
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thoodleoo · 1 year
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i had no idea the latin word penus had so many conflicting grammatical forms. the great ancient roman penus debate
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mewling-central · 3 months
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The Collective Seraphic Writing System
This post is going to be the one dedicated to explaining how the Seraphic writing system works. This writing system is entirely digital, as physical writing is no longer in everyday use throughout the Collective, so it's a bit inconvenient to actually write out. It's also weird to read, because it's written in a way that makes the assumption that you know how to speak and understand Seraphic, but I'll try to explain what I can.
Seraphic has two written forms: longform and shortform. Longform is used primarily to teach young instars how to read and write, and as a way to show how a shortform word is meant to be read. Shortform is the main form of writing, and due to its complication it's usually put off for a year or two before being taught in pupariums. Shortform is the method I'll be teaching today. It's primarily morpho-phonetic, with elements of both an alphabet and grammatical logograms, and is written bottom-to-top and right-to-left in reverse boustrophedon (the path of writing goes up, flips 180°, and goes back down). Because of this, you're expected to be able to read both right-side-up and upside-down. For this post, I'll be using an example sentence to highlight specifics areas of the writing system, as shown below:
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It reads: nJasāğn k'œ̄nan ālxōr e-fya.
"There are 16 dull knives on the floor."
There are seven elements you need to be aware of when writing in Seraphic: the alphabet, class cartouches, procedural and plural ligatures, preposition glyphs, tone diacritics, numerals, and punctuation. I'll be going through each one step-by-step.
Alphabet
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The alphabet makes up the majority of Seraphic writing. There are 30 consonants and 6 vowels, and they all arrange into syllable blocks called "cells". Each consonant takes one of three forms depending on if it is at the start of the syllable, before a vowel, or at the end of a syllable. The alphabet is featural, meaning that the way each letter is written is meant to encode its pronunciation. Here is the alphabet in full:
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Each consonant (excluding the ejectives) showcases the three variant forms it can take (similar to capital and lowercase letters in the latin alphabet). The largest, leftmost character is the form that hosts the interior vowels within it. The rightmost vertical form is used when preceeding another consonant, and the upmost horizontal form is used at the end of syllables. If a syllable contains a syllablic consonant, the main consonant will have no vowel within it and instead a syllable-final form of one of the syllabic consonants (r, l, m, n, or ŋ) placed on top of it.
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Concerning vowels, they are solely meant to be written within consonants, acting sort of like internal diacritics. They cannot exist on their own, nor can more than one be written within the same consonant (Seraphic doesn't allow diphthongs), and if a vowel must be written by itself it is written within the glottal stop letter ' (in this instance acting as an independant vowel holder).
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These rules apply to individual syllables. In multi-syllabic words, each syllable cell is arranged together in a specific way based on the number of syllables in order to keep the line uniform and compact.
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the flow of reading word-internally definitely follows the overall direction of writing (bottom-to-top, right-to-left) so broken down an entire word will usually look like this when written:
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Seraphic written in longform will be written entirely using the alphabet. Spaces are put between words, punctuation and numeral symbols are still used, and tone diacritics may be included as well, but otherwise it's entirely spelled out in this way. Writing this way makes the text as a whole quite longer, and can come off as childish or imply you're a new learner of Seraphic, so shortform will usually be used in official contexts. In shortform, alphabetical letters are restricted to non-declined parts of nouns, adjectives, and proper nouns.
Class Cartouches
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In Seraphic, there are seven noun classes: Solar (people), Astral (animals), Vital (plants), Terranean (places), Metallic (objects), Lunar (concepts), and Oceanic (everything else). Similarly, the writing system employs seven symbols called "class cartouches" to encode which noun class a word is in. This is drawn from this writing system's predecessor, the Aeonic Seraphic alphabet, that also used glyphs to notate class. These are the seven noun class cartouches:
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The thing about the class cartouches is, not only is it morphological, but it's also phonetic. A noun is never spelled out in its entirety, usually only part of it is. When a class cartouche is used, it's supposed to stand in for the class prefix itself without having to additionally spell the class prefix in the rest of the word. For example, in the word zājlux (tail), the "-jlux" would be spelled out, and the solar class cartouche would be drawn around it to stand in for the "zā-". Even though you don't write it, you still know it's there because of the class cartouche. Because of the nature of the noun class prefixes, and how many different forms they can take, it can be daunting to have to guess if you're supposed to pronounce a word with a "za-" or a "zo-", but there are patterns to which prefix (and thus, declension patterns), is meant to be read depending on what the following sound is.
Solar class
read as zā before f, v, s, z, c, j, pf, ts, tc and any cluster of two consonants (e.g. zāsā, zāfr, zājlux)
read as zō before x, ğ, h, ', and kx (e.g. zōxō, zōxur, zōğœcl)
read as zē in stressed syllables, and occasionally before consonant clusters (e.g. zēzmp'ux, zēzt'e, zēvasax)
read as s before vocalics (vowels and syllabic consonants), r, l, w, y, n, t, d, p', or k' (e.g. srāc, sēr, sōğœc)
read as ts before t', the ts replacing the t' entirely in pronunciation, for example tsn would be written as (Solar)t'n (e.g. tsn, tsā, tsłzaf)
Astral class
read as ğr before f, v, s, z, c, j, x, ğ, h, pf, ts, tc, kx, p', t', k' and and cluster of two consonants (e.g. ğrzles, ğrxur)
read as x before vocalics, r, l, w, y, ŋ, k, g, p', or t' (e.g. xūc, xŋox)
read as kx before k', the kx replacing k' in pronunciation (e.g. kxa)
Vital class
read as wā before r, l, w, or y (e.g. wāya, wārāc, wāwax)
read as wō before k', k, g, x, ğ, ŋ, or kx (e.g. wōk'ł, wōxur, wō'ōf)
read as wē before consonant clusters (e.g. wēzles, wējlux, wējlozln)
read as ū before n, m, p', p, b t', t, d, f, v, s, z, c, j, pf, ts, or tc (e.g. ūt'u, ūp'n)
read as w before vocalics (e.g. wē, wīn, wājr)
read as wī occasionally before consonant clusters (e.g. wīzya)
Terranean class
read as va before f, v, s, z, c, j, pf, ts, tc and any cluster of two consonants (e.g. vafl, vasērn, vasa)
read as vo before x, ğ, h, ', kx, and consonant clusters (e.g. voxāl, vodsā, vojrayux)
read as vu in stressed syllables and occasionally before consonant clusters (e.g. vujlux, vulvren, vuzajni)
read as f before vocalics, r, l, y, w, m, n, ŋ, p, b, t', or k' (e.g. fe, fruvn, fmağo)
read as pf before p', pf replacing p' in pronunciation (e.g. pfan)
Metallic class
read as ja before f, v, s, z, c, j, pf, ts, tc and any cluster of two consonants (e.g. jafa, javlni, jawaya)
read as jo before x, ğ, h, ', and kx (e.g. joxl)
read as c before vocalics, r, l, w, y, n, t, d, p', or t' (e.g. can, cya, cenaŋx)
read as tc before t', the tc replacing the t' entirely in pronunciation (e.g. tcłvr, tcāŋğl, tcū)
Lunar class
read as la before r, l, w, or y (e.g. lara, layeğr, lalel)
read as lo before k', k, g, x, ğ, ŋ, or kx (e.g. loxir, loğn̄, loxel)
read as le before consonant clusters (e.g. levp'ā, levren, lejt'ān)
read as li in stressed syllables and occasionally before consonant clusters (e.g. liwayi, lit'n̄, livasāx)
read as y before vocalics (e.g. yar, yu, yawu)
read as l/ł before n, m, p', p, b t', t, d, f, v, s, z, c, j, pf, ts, or tc (e.g. lce, łzēwok'u, lvulvren)
Oceanic class
read as a/ā before m, n, p', p, b, t', t, d, s, z, f, v, c, j, pf, ts, tc, w, r, y, l, and all consonant clusters (e.g. ap'i, āt'ē, ācèya)
read as o/ō before ŋ, k', k, g, ', x, ğ, h, and kx (e.g. ōxūr, ōxān)
read as aw/āw before vocalics (e.g. awun, awaf, awaman)
Of course these rules are not hard set, and there are several instances where a written word contradicts these rules or even when two words end up spelled the same, but for the most part these rules will generally be consistent for most written words. It seems like a lot to remember, but usually it's a thing that you eventually develop a sort of "ear" for.
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Procedural and Plural Ligatures
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The procedural and plural ligatures are additional glyphs used to mark, respectively, the procedurals and the plurals of a noun. The procedural are written at the bottom of the noun (since Seraph is written bottom-to-top and these are prefixes of course), and there are 12 separate procedural symbols in use. Similarly, the plurals, being suffixes, are written at the top of the noun and contain only three symbols (the singular is usually unmarked). They are as follows:
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The plural ligatures attach to both nouns and adjectives freely, but in order for a procedural ligature to attach to an adjective, the adjective needs to be put in the oceanic class and subsequently written with the oceanic class cartouche. Additionally, if you want to write remote past/future forms for each procedural, you would need to attach the resultative present ligature underneath the preexisting past or future ligature (these conjugations haven't developed their own separate ligature forms, so they follow the tradition of using the resultative in addition as semantically that is where the remote forms originated). I don't really have a way to show you how to pronounce the plural forms, as even though the different pronunciations are pretty few they're actually pretty inconsistent on which one goes where. It's just one of those things you kinda have to already know. You can check the introduction to Seraphic post to see what forms the plurals can take, but otherwise it's basically, like, memorization. The procedurals on the other hand DO have a predictable pattern of pronunciation, but each tense has a different form based on what class and declension the noun is in, and with six tenses and seven classes each with at least three different declension forms, it's definitely something I can't summarize here. Again I HAVE to make a separate post for that because the declension forms are vital to knowing how to decline properly in Seraphic.
Preposition Glyphs
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This section will probably be the easiest to explain really. The preposition glyphs are pretty easy to recognize. They're written in between words, attaching to both of them instead of floating freely like regular words are. There are 19 glyphs for the 19 prepositions, and they don't really change form. Sometimes, if occurring at the beginning of a sentence, they'll have one end sorta lopped off, but not everyone follows through with this convention. Here are the glyphs listed below:
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Two or more prepositions can't occur sequentially, it's a very one-at-a-time situation, although in colloquial speech you'll see two prepositions being used in certain instances.
Tone Diacritics
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Seraphic is a tonal language, and luckily it has diacritics to indicate the tones. They frame the words on each size, being used on both nouns and adjectives where applicable. You'll usually see them in formal contexts like government documents and letters of address, on signs and boards and menus and any kind of display especially in highly populated areas, in use by those whom are just learning Seraphic and don't have a hang on remembering all of the tones yet, and just in any context where clarity of literacy would be important. In everyday colloquial text conversations and things the tone diacritics will be usually dropped as context is sufficient enough to know, although tone diacritics may be reintroduced to differentiate homonyms that are distinguished only in tone (e.g. lxal "power" vs. łxāl "day"). There are eight individually recognized tone diacritics:
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The low tone is the base tone and is usually left unmarked, so there's no sign for just the low tone. When a low tone transitions to a rising or falling though, the low transition diacritic will be used to connect the two. Many of these diacritics are usually connected consecutively when a word requires it, flowing as if they're one larger tone diacritic. This can give a whole host of unique tone symbols, but for the most part, all of the tone symbols can be broken down officially into the 8 diacritics. There isn't a 1-1 correspondence between individual tone diacritics and syllables within a word, usually you can know from context and just knowing how the word is pronounced. For example, the word łxāl would be written with one high tone marker even though the word is two syllables, but it's meant to infer that the entire word is pronounced with an even high tone. Here are some additional examples:
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The top example is the word jalzègxa "chronicle". You can see that it uses the two low tone transitions to connect to the central falling tone, representing a low-falling-low relationship. The word below that is māzefādnu "hourglass". It employs a high-low-high, and then a high-low, with the last high-low meant to merge with the high-low-high. So truthfully it's meant to be interpreted as high-low-high-low. There's a lot of possibilities, but breaking it down will simplify what tones are being used specifically.
Numerals and Punctuation
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This final section will discuss Seraphic numerals and punctuation. Now, unlike in most human languages which uses base-10, having 10 unique symbols to represent the values of 0-9, Seraphic uses base-16 and represents the values 1-16 with 16 individual symbols. In base 16, we would write 16 as 10, standing for one set of 16 and zero sets of 1. It's written in positional notation like arabic numerals, where each position represents a power of 16 (instead of a power of ten like in base-10). Here are the numerals:
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If you were to write a number like 299,792,458; you'd convert it into base-16 which would be 11,DE7,84A; and since Seraphic numerals are grouped in 4 instead of 3 it would actually be 11DE,784A. This is how you'd write that:
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Both Arabic numerals and Seraphic numerals describe the same amount of things, they just group things differently. We group in sets of 10, they group in sets of 16.
As for punctuation, there are only 5 marks that's in standard use, and these are them:
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Single bar - separates individual sentences.
Single dot - separates clauses for clarity, separates numerals into groups of four.
Double dot - separates individual words such as in lists or replaces a single dot when separating clause groups.
Triple dot - Distinguishes quotes and dialogue, as well as highlighting names, terms, and titles.
Double bar - used to end full paragraphs/passages instead of a single bar.
Overall, that's pretty much everything I can detail about how the Seraphic writing system works! It's complicated but it was very fun to develop and boy was it satisfying to get it to work. Hopefully you'll now be able to decode a little better Seraphic writing, and maybe even write something of your own!
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ŋKowīci cu-stux 'ōf tsa-levp'ā cu-zāsláf pi-lizt'n ğōdjasa! (Thank you all so much for reading!)
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zvaigzdelasas · 6 months
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Me when I lie
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interretialia · 6 months
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Hecatē / Ἑκάτη
Hecate
(Fons Imaginis.)
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a-passing-storm · 1 year
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Sometimes I will treat English words ending with -ity like they’re Latin, and that’s how I’ve ended up with “humiditas” and my favorite, “stupiditas.” 
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meirlinjar · 2 months
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New declensions of nouns in søłsiþe
common nouns:
indefinite singular: ak søłsiþe (a sunflower) /ag ˈsøɬ.si.θɛ/
indefinite plural: søłsiþi (sunflowers) /ˈsøɬ.si.θi/
definite singular: søłsiþak (the sunflower) /ˈsøɬ.si.θag/
definite plural: søłsiþik (the sunflowers) /ˈsøɬ.si.θig/
neuter nouns:
indefinite singular: ar åbje (an apple) /aʁ ˈɔb.jɛ/
definite singular: åbjar (the apple) /ˈɔb.jaʁ/
indefinite plural: åbjo (apples) /ˈɔb.jo/
definite plural: åbjor (the apples) /ˈɔb.joʁ/
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emeraldeaa · 3 months
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lying on my bed kicking my legs in the air and squealing with joy looking at pictures of my crush (declension and conjugation tables)
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totopopopo · 8 months
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And just so we are clear even though I am now in my 5th foreign language class , I still remain fluent in exactly 0 foreign languages. The only language I ever was any good at is the dead one I took for four years (Latin) and even that i’m shaky in to say the least. The French, Spanish, and Italian classes I took for a year each left 0 lasting impressions on me. I remember nothing. Now I’m taking attic Greek, which is famous for being incredibly fucking difficult. So yeah I’m not confident in my abilities but god damnit I will try my hardest
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Hello, non-czech speaker here! Quick question: How would you translate 'matlo/a'?
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scleramotif · 2 years
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BREAKING BAD IF IT WAS ANCIENT ROME:
valter vitus: jessus. we need to cook. im very sick jessus and my family needs money that we'll make from cooking meth.
jessus pinkvir: yo mr vitus thats crazy but like i dont know just hope that Aesculapius will heal you or something. bitch dont ask me i have to go fight in a war im to busy worrying about maniples to worry about meth and what the hell even is that bitch
valter vitus: jessus you dont understand. skylera and valter vitus need this money.
jessus pinkvir: bitch just ask your patronus for money then i dont know mr vitus
valter vitus: JESSUS!!!!!! I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS
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