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"You have to formally cancel the debt, but you can still make puppy dog eyes until they say they'll pay you anyways" is an immediate new addition to my list of favorite things in the entire Jewish library. This whole sugya is just so good.
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Bava Metzia 59
"If the Law is like me, this tree walks,
Streams reverse course, the sky talks,
And the walls in this hall
Will begin a great fall!"
Nonetheless, the majority balks.
"Eliezer ben Hyrcanus! See,
We don't pasken by river or tree.
Those are cute parlor tricks,
But to you we say, 'Nix!'
And I think God himself will agree!"
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Bava Kamma 81b
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Thursday 8/3, Gittin 79: Calling TASA (Talmudic Air and Space Arguing)
At this point the process of divorce in ancient Judaism appears to most resemble Bugs Bunny trying to elude Elmer Fudd.
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Dracula Daily this, Whale Weekly that, whatever happened to good old Daf Yomi?
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[It was taught in a] baraita that Rabbi Yosei said: In all my days, I did not call my wife: My wife, nor my ox: My ox. Rather, I called my wife: My home, because she is the essence of my home, and I called my ox: My field..."
That's actually really sweet (The bit about the wife, not the bit about the ox)
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gotta say, a lot of bava metzia makes a lot of compelling arguments for land back
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Posted in honor of today's Daf Yomi: Another piece of When the Angels Left the Old Country fanfiction.
A Study of Sheydim
(Rated G, about 2,000 words.)
When it came to the study of Talmud, Little Ash was usually particularly excited to get to the sections that dealt with demons. This was in part because he was — and, indeed, took great pride and intentionality in being — a highly self-centered creature. Mostly, though, it was because demons were one of the very few subjects which even his angelic chevrusa would admit Little Ash probably knew more about.
His enthusiasm faded noticeably, though, when the text began to describe how King Solomon and his followers had gone about trapping and tormenting demons... including Little Ashmedai's own father.
The angel, meanwhile, was wishing its name could have been Reassurance.
#when the angels left the old country#fanfiction#dandelion fics#wtaltoc fanfic#uriel federman#little ash#jumblr#talmud#daf yomi#shtetler angels
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Day yomi thoughts and questions Gittin 83:
-תיקו is from the gmara???
-I really don't get the נאסרה עליו כהן ומת המגרש. Are they saying that he died before he fully divorced her? In which case, why should she be a divorcee at all? But if they're saying that he divorced her, then why should she be a widow to the cohen?
Is the idea here that if the husband forbids her the cohen he's saying that she's not really divorced (in regards to the cohen) since if she were then she wouldn't be able to marry the cohen anyways?
^^
Ohh, I see. In regards to such a person that she is forbidden to, she is not divorced. So if that person happened to be a cohen she was never divorced and as such can marry him.
-It's always nice to rediscover that when I write things put they become clearer to me, even in the middle of writing them.
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Daf Yomi questions and thoughts Gittin 73
-Why would you even need a get only after the husband's death? Isn't the woman just a widown then?
I was thinking maybe something to do with aguna but זה גיטיך מהיום... shows to me that that would have to be VERY clear in the get wording.
Later, they say that this brysa isn't acceptable the only thing I can think of is because of Reasonability/fairness, rather than Logic, because it works out fine logically.
-The kind of guy who would do this sounds like a jerk and from looking at קדיש בביאה... it sounds like Ravina agrees. It was reminding me of that part about how you 'convince' a husband to give a divorce.
-I know it's impossible to translate properly אונסא דמתילד and אונסא דלא שכיח but I can just tell the translation here isn't great and it's confusing me, especially the translation of אונסא as 'accident' in this context.
I think maybe I would translate it as a 'forced happenstance'.
For instance, if someone promised to pay if driving in Tel Aviv on Motzei Shabbat takes longer than x time because of אונסא דמתילד, it takes longer because there was a protest than they have to pay because there are protests every Motzash in Tel Aviv.
But if the same thing was promised in Tzfat and happened, too, it might be an אונסא דלא שכיח because that's not usual for Tzfat (if the protest was not announced).
That's my understanding of the concepts?
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Woah
-It's simultaneously annoying and satisfying that you have to be very patient to get answers.
For my first question (sort of), Rabba answers that a phrase is used which makes it clear that the divorce is fulfilled in the last second the husband lives. I still don't understand why anyone would do this. I suspect it has to do with who a woman's property belongs to, especially based on the last part, starting from ימים שבינתיים...
-That they all agree is disagreed on and I think that it's a common structure: they all agree, one agrees, no one agrees.
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#tiktok#trans rights#talmud#daf yomi#no I am not a part of the tribe I just like studying stuff in groups#shhh
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Bava Metzia 52
A coin that's excessively worn
Don't sell to a scoundrel ill-born,
Or a merchant or killer;
Instead, be a driller:
Your kids with a necklace adorn.
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Sotah 14a
#talmud#daf yomi#sotah#judaism#jumblr#moses#the good place#chidi anagonye#syllogism#moses is mortal#we never visit we never call
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Friday 7/21, Gittin 66: Sheyd What Now
Real quick Rabbi Yonatan, noted demonologist, you want to pause for a moment and explain what the hell "shadow of a shadow" means? It appears the fate of several divorced men in pits depends on it.
I did do a little rummaging around but the idea is never fully explicated by the Talmud. One theory is that the passage is actually saying the shadow of a shadow is the demonic illusion of a shadow, but that rewrites the entire meaning (and some of the text) of the passage. The only theory I saw that seemed plausible was that it's a shadow that is visible but cast in mostly darkness, the idea being I think that demons wouldn't think to pretend to cast a shadow if it's dark out.
I guess Yonatan didn't get to be an expert by sharing all his mystical knowledge up front.
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Nedarim 48a
In Matthew chapter 15, if Jesus is referring to the wedding in #daf yomi Nedarim 48a, he got it wrong. The father didn't forbid the grandfather. The grandfather forbade himself.
במתי פרק ט"ו, אם ישוע מתייחס לחתונה בדף יומי נדרים מ"ח:א, הוא טעה. האבא לא אסר את הסבא. הסבא אסר את עצמו.
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