I'm sorry for coming to complain but I have something to say: I already know that in this fandom there are many opinions about what Arya and Sansa's relationship is going to be in the future and that we always complain that the Sansa stans talk about Arya as if she were going to become a servant of her sister, "one is the strength and the other intelligence", which are going to complete each other and all that shit (among all the other stupid things they have said) I agree with complaining about that because they are erasing attributes of Arya's character THAT SHE ALREADY HAS, and that we have always talk about Arya being a character apart from Sansa, someone who has her own story, her own purpose and that her whole character is definitely not reduced to just becoming her sister's employee after she always treated her badly in the their childhood.
Okay, I agree with all that. Those types of comments bother me too. But I feel that as a result of this very silly arguments have been born about why Arya and Sansa could never be friends because "they are very different, in personality, experiences and worldview" I'm sorry but I don't agree with that because, it is true that they are different, but let's not pretend that they don't have many things in common, and this goes beyond their personal characteristics or the fact that they share an entire family.
How different are their experiences? Yes, one is the red fortress and the other has to travel thousands of kilometers but in the end they both went through similar things. Both saw their father die, both were abused, both were beaten, both have been sold into marriage, both have been sexually abused, both have met cruel people and have had to pretend another identity to survive. The fact that it is in different contexts does not take away from the fact that they do have similar experiences, so that argument is very silly. And I don't say it with the intention of saying that Arya and Sansa are going to be the "best sister foreveh" I just hate that argument cause it dosen't make any sense, also throughout the asoiaf universe we have seen how completely different characters have had a great relationship come on.
Tyrion and Jaime are also wildly different and loved each other, Sam and Jon are also wildly different and no one is saying they could never be friends.
Also, it bothers me that they ignore the fact that Arya DOES care about Sansa, maybe Sansa doesn't care about Arya that much but Arya has always been fond of her sister, even when she was cruel to her.
Again, I don't come here with the intention of saying that they are going to be the best sister forevah and all that, I just hated that argument and also pls don't erase that from Arya's character either! that she has always been a good sister to Sansa, even if it was not reciprocated she was always loyal to her people, to her "pack"
Plus Arya and Sansa's relationship is definitely deeper than just "respect." Way more.
I feel like this is a good example of my earlier point that Arya stans need to over-explain points/theories to not have them taken maliciously (especially if they included Sansa). I still want to answer this in good faith though, because I don't believe you intended it to come off like that.
But I feel that as a result of this very silly arguments have been born about why Arya and Sansa could never be friends because "they are very different, in personality, experiences and worldview"
I will start by saying that the theories about Arya and Sansa not getting along aren't retaliatory to the fandom's perception of the "Stark Sisters 4ever". The idea of them not getting along is based on their conflict in AGOT, them being written as foils, George saying that they have issues to work out, and the fact that their characters haven't fundamentally changed since they've been separated (i.e. what's in the books). They've both been through a lot but trauma isn't a substitute for growth, and the issues they have will still exist. A big part of their conflict is Sansa's classism, which leads her to look down on Arya, and she has yet to grow out of that trait. If she reflects on this in TWOW then that's a different story. For now, we have to speculate with what we have. Not only that, but I could see Arya having less patience for her sister's behavior considering everything she's been through. There could be mutual hostility.
Tyrion and Jaime are also wildly different and loved each other, Sam and Jon are also wildly different and no one is saying they could never be friends.
As for this, the difference is that we're shown these characters having a positive relationship on-page. No one says Jon and Sam can't be friends because we see their friendship develop. Tyrion and Jaime eventually have conflict, but there's also a caring relationship built between them before that. Arya and Sansa have tender moments and fond memories, but their relationship is mainly antagonistic in the first book. If we had seen them getting along well before and, say, the trident incident had been the source of their conflict, that's an entirely different dynamic.
I just hated that argument and also pls don't erase that from Arya's character either! that she has always been a good sister to Sansa, even if it was not reciprocated she was always loyal to her people, to her "pack"
I don't think anyone with this prediction is ignoring Arya caring about her sister, it's more about the lack of growth on Sansa's part. While Arya tries to apologize and bridge the gap, even thinking of ways to please Sansa (I'll kiss her and beg her pardons like a proper lady, she'll like that), we don't have any equivalent moments from Sansa. She has fond memories of them playing in the snow, thinks of naming a daughter Arya, and overall misses her family and I'm not downplaying that. It's just that it doesn't supersede the relationship we've seen play out between them (or the fact that she thinks of Arya as unsatisfactory even though she believes her to be dead). It shows that they love each other and could reconcile, but there's no guarantee. Arya can't maintain that relationship one-sided and, considering she's already tried to apologize, Sansa will have to put in some effort on her side.
Plus Arya and Sansa's relationship is definitely deeper than just "respect." Way more.
I don't think their relationship is built on just "respect", they do have sisterly/familial love but that isn't all-powerful. George has stated that he reworked the Starks to give them conflict because they were all getting along and "families aren't like that". I doubt that he'd go to that trouble just to conveniently get rid of that tension, especially considering the amount of sibling conflicts we see in this story. No house gets along perfectly and this is intentional! We aren't ever going to really know until we get TWOW, but I just dislike the framing of this theory as baseless or trivial.
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What gets me about certain people being so fucking pissy about Bob not writing much about Eilistraee (until the last fucking trilogy where EIlistraeans featured heavily) is that
a) Bob basically built drow culture up from almost nothing, and Eilistraee came after he started writing Drizzt
b) no you guys really don't understand. I own the first 4 modules drow appeared in. There's... not much there. And it hasn't aged well.
c) and the Big One: he has a specific vision for his specific characters when it comes to the narrative he wants to explore, from sexual abuse to religious trauma, both of which are fucking complicated and for most people just switching deities isn't enough to fix that.
I have religious trauma that I still struggle with to this day and probably will for the rest of my life to some extent, and it's fundamentally different in nature from what most people would probably expect, and the thing is even though I am happily polytheistic and very enthusiastically into it, I still struggle a lot with certain things because every time I get into my religious practice I have to actively force myself into (or out of) certain things because my whole relationship to religion and spirituality is complicated and messy.
It would be easy and frankly incredibly superficial for Bob to decide to just have them all convert to half-assed Neowiccan ~woo~ drow Jesus Eilistraee to *~*save their souls*~* and call it a day
BUT HE DIDN'T DO THAT
Partly because she wasn't his creation and other authors were writing her at the time so he really couldn't, and partly because it's a shitty message to send.
Sometimes people benefit from converting to a new religion or following a new deity. Sometimes people don't.
I benefited from gradually converting to my religion, but it's come with a whole different set of complications and hasn't been a smooth journey for me.
Just going from extensive religious trauma to switching deities does not fix your problems, and for a lot of people it realistically can make them much worse.
but also
you don't have to be saved by a deity in order to have value as a person
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Growing up, I didn't have 'friends'. In hindsight I'm probably high-functioninig autistic who didn't know how to mask but I've never actually done any kind of tests so I don't know for certain. But I was 'very weird,' 'creepy,' 'painfully shy,' 'retarded,' 'not ready for social interaction' (a mix of reviews from my peers and teachers/activity leaders.) Anyway, my preferred location during socialization was underneath the tables and in the corners. I was very, very good at making myself invisible, and I used it.
As we got older, my sister - vivacious, charming, clever, witty, and very pretty - began acquiring friends. (If you're familiar with Pride & Prejudice I was the Mary to her Elizabeth even though I'm actually older.) And sometimes I would hang out around the edges of her friend groups.
Eventually as a teenager I began forming a sort of friendships online, but none of them lasted - we either drifted away or burned up in a brilliant conflagration of drama and misunderstandings. And, yes, my good intentions led to most those conflagrations.
I was so bitterly lonely.
I resigned myself to being unlikable and strange and off-putting. To people regretting their overtures and polite conversations trailing off into silence and side-eyes at my weirdness and friendships not ever lasting.
But somewhere along the way I decided to tone down my natural snark and sarcasm and think three or four times before hitting post to see if my tone came across the way I wanted it to or if I just sounded patronizing and to make more effort to get out of my self-centered bubble of a mindset and to try, to try to always be kind. To show Christ's love to all I meet.
And then people started calling me wise and I can only laugh helplessly because I'm not, I'm so not, I just overthink things and flail around in the darkness and go "Hey maybe" "What if" and if my overthinking helps someone else I'm very glad but I'm not wise, I'm so much not wise.
And people said I was kind and I went "Oh, well, that means I'm succeeding then".
And then someone called me beloved and it was like running into a brick wall. What do you mean 'beloved'. I can't be 'beloved!' I am unlikable, much less lovable. What do you mean I help you feel better what do you mean I'm not scary what do you mean you think about me during your day what do you mean I'm your friend what do you mean what do you mean what do you mean, and why am I crying?
Anyway. Now when my children ask who I'm talking to I say "my friends" and when I see the color green or the color purple or flowers in a meadow or flowers in the world around me or small creatures or pretty teapots or horses or ponies or cowboys or whimsical gardens or picturesque cottages or overgrown paths or stars or sunsets or clouds or colors, they make me think of
my friends. <3
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in fact, this group has a small number of video versions, so I chose the highest quality and which I like the most, the first video, this is the one from which my acquaintance with them began, this song is one of the most popular https://youtu.be/-e__TbhQGJU
the second video, there are just a lot of funny and cute moments, I especially like it, if I'm not mistaken, the song itself is a little longer than the video https://youtu.be/Jaw1yi9k6Pk
this song has many video versions as it is popular with this band, but I like this particular clip https://youtu.be/zXeRB-3nDR8
these videos are very poor quality but I like them so much, especially the way Steve moves, he has so much energy https://youtu.be/NjEMHtSCU9M https://youtu.be/Aj2JnPVnStM
about this song, I know an interesting fact, smokie often sang it at their concerts between songs https://youtu.be/4FyKmGN-TpE
omg itchycoo park, that title sounds very familiar. i think i remember my dad saying that before but i don't remember him mentioning this band. or maybe he did and i only remembered him saying the part that sounded funnier to me as a kid. but WAIT I HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE, where he's like "IT'S ALL TOO BEAUTIFULLLL" that part is familiar. i just woke up and can't think. aaaa he has a very good voice, i love this.
okay the second one. THEY'RE ADORABLE I LOVE EVERYTHING ALSO THE SONG WILL PROBABLY GET STUCK IN MY HEAD. excuse me while i save that video.
the third one, i love that they look like they had so much fun making the video omg. also i love the accent in some of the singing
the fourth one, i LOVE THE SMILESSSSSSS THEY'RE CUTE AAAA
the fifth one will also get stuck in my head most likely.
AND the sixth one! omg i love that fact.
WAIT i have a fact relating to this band too! :
romeo challenger of showaddywaddy said what'cha gonna do about it by small faces was the first single he ever bought back in 1965 when he was 15
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