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that's why i hate larries, i hate them with all my heart. besides being boring they are hypocrites 🙄

Hey nonnie, sorry its taken me so long to reply but if you’re following me you know I’ve been travelling lately and have been more scatterbrained than usual. Not that I’m ever not scatterbrained, but its been just a little crazier than usual!

Now I wouldn’t go as far to say I hate Larries. After all their delusions can be pretty funny sometimes!

Joking aside, I don’t hate Larries, I love Larries, I’m a Larry, so I really hesitate to tarry the whole group with the same brush. However I do strongly agree with you that there are those who are complete hypocrites. Nothing annoys more more than when Larries ™ treat the other boys, other celebrities, their friends and even family as one more side character to the Larry Show.

In particular when Larries ™ flood comment sections asking or in some cases, ordering people to confirm rumors/the couple being together. The absolute fucking disrespect. Not just because they’re flooding comment sections in videos streams, tweets, what have you, that sometimes have nothing to do with the couple in question, but because its presumptuous and rude as fuck to think they’re owed a coming out- just because they’re fans of the boys.

Stop it. Thats fucking ugly as hell.

While I have no doubt all the boys will one day be out (as referenced by their continued efforts in fighting the closet. I don’t get the sense the boys will just stop at being freed from their contractual obligations). It should and will be on their own terms. Provided they’re not forcibly outed some other way.

Coming out is a deeply personal experience and no one, no one ever, has the right to out someone else. I’ll never not be absolutely furious at the Larries ™ who posted about having ‘receipts’ that would out the boys. Which… tbh weren’t receipts at all but thats a whole other story. I’m also still angry at the reactions after Liams Attitude spread that wouldn’t have been as bad if not for the entitled fandom that peddled ridiculous claims beforehand about Liam confirming Larry to be real.

I mean… What the actual fuck. Setting aside the fandom experience of the time, and boy was it an experience. What right would Liam have confirming Louis and Harry’s relationship? I mean, get some perspective? It doesn’t help that a lot of fandom adults were the ones coming up with, and reblogging those theories and the younger fans ate it up. It would have made more sense for Louis and Harry to do it but idk maybe I’m still out of touch for thinking so. I mean, it felt like every other week someone was talking about Larry coming out. It was such a shit storm oh my god.

Biggest issue I still have with them is that the entitled behaviour hasn’t stopped. For some it seems like, Larry coming out is it for them. Like pack it up, goodbye, shows over, Louis and Harry are gay and in a relationship and everything is rainbows, we get to see cute pictures of them and everyone lives happily ever after.

Yeah, no. Coming out, for anyone, is just the beginning, can’t even begin to imagine what its like for them. They’re still going to need everyones support, and it irritates me that for some fans it seems so fucking conditional.

Time and time again, I’ve seen tweets, and posts, and videos, whatever, going on about Larry coming out and it reads like a fucking wattpad story. Not just that but its always on the assumption by the poster, on the off chance they consider the other 3/5ths of the band and Ziam being a possibility, that Larry will come out first?

What?

I’m sorry but, what?

Everything I’ve seen from the boys tells me they’re all in this together, they support each other and are working through the bullshit as a team. We have all seen the No Judgement music video yes? The merch, posts, double speak etc referencing each other, yes?

I mean, I suppose if you only look at Louis and Harry, like so many do, sure. Only Larry matters, everyone else is a side character in their life.

(Lemme just, scream for a second).

However, that kind of thinking leads them to the wrong conclusions. Like… assuming the SBB/RBB countdown was attributed to nothing, when it counted down to Liam finally being free of Sophia. In the years since, I’ve seen Larries ™ backtrack on claiming the bears had anything to do with the boys, that they weren’t behind it at all, or that they were just trolling the fandom.

You know, despite all the proof otherwise, and some really, really good posts breaking down clues about what the boys were trying to tell us. The moment something might not actually be about Louis and Harry its like all their thinking shuts off. Its frustrating. Really fucking frustrating.

Seriously, fans of the other boys as individulas, not just Ziams, have been talking about the stunts too and how they fit together. Its why we tend to be right, because we’re considering the entire group. They’re still a group. They’re not free until all of them are free.

Just for that Nialls coming out first. Lmao. I’ll call it now. Lets go Niall, whens the baby coming. We all wanna know. Its been years.

Imagine, imagine! Acting like coming out is some race to be won. The fucking audacity.

Go outside and touch fucking grass you absoulte ninny.

I get it, you want to be vindicated, you want to be rewarded for putting your faith in two celebrities being together.

Newsflash you dandelionfluff, its not a race, Louis and Harry coming out isn’t a fucking prize. Thats not what supporting a relationship looks like.

Its worse when someone admits they don’t know much about Ziam or the possibility of Niall being LGBT+, and claim they’re open to it, but then immediately tweet or reblog or sub tweet or tag comment a post or answer an ask from another Larry ™ talking about how Larries ™ are the most marginalized and persecuted group.

???

In what fucking world?

IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD?

If we wanna play that game, boohoo, the media claims Louis and Harry aren’t friends anymore because of crazy shippers. Meanwhile Zayn publicly isn’t friend with anyone and “left” the band… despite the Ziam fandom calling the stunt about either Louis or Zayn “leaving” and getting it down to the exact week (the second article coming out a week before about the Ziam kiss pretty much cemented it for Zayn leaving. Which did a lot to fan the flames of the already rabid fanbase when Ziam got two articles confirming a Ziam kiss over the years and Larry got nada. Like that actually means anything).

Not to mention Larries ™ using the hetties and management tactics against the other parts of the fandom to silence them.

Who cares what the media says anyway!  TPTB, 1DHQ, The Sun, The Mirror, Simon and his minions and their unpaid interns have used the media to split the fandom apart and it worked.

Who the fuck cares if the media calls the 1D stans delusional, you know the truth! The truth it out there and you’ve seen it! The truth is coming! Who gives a damn about what some two bit “journo” who failed out of their creative writing course writes? They get worse by the year. If it wasn’t so pathetic and hilarious I might actually feel embarrassed for them. They can’t even come up with new stories and have just taken to copying old articles, but you’re upset with them??? Give it a rest. Honestly.

The sense of disconnect, entitlement and victimhood of some Larries ™ is absolutely ridiculous.

Oh my god they’re Karens. I’m not trying to be insulting, but thats exactly who they remind me of.

I’m not going to say its a surprise to me that so many in the Ziam fandom are POC, LGBT+, and Neurodivergent and any combination of those, but I am going to say I’ve read a lot of Larry fics that just have Het sex made gay. Those in the Ziam fandom just tend to look at facts in a different way than Larries do due to their life experiences. A interfaith, interracial, relationship where one or both partners fall under the Bi umbrella (not saying Louis or Harry can’t be or aren’t Bi+ but rumors, and the way the fandom markets them, puts them firmly in the gay category) looks very, very different than gay or straight relationship. Both looking from outside and being in one. There’s just different dynamics at play that aren’t often realized or understood by the gays and hets.

Its not a bad thing. All relationships are different. The issue is that theres a lot of biphobia/racism/religious prejudice etc that arises from people being unwilling to understand the inherent differences.

Taking myself for example, I’m bi, like, bi as hell, and I don’t understand how gays and hets only like one gender. I just don’t. Can’t wrap my head around it. If someone asks me to choose one gender over the others to prefer I can’t. Its so stressful. My brain goes into panic mode and it feels like I’m being torn apart. My sense of identity is shaken- its a shit feeling. I just can’t lie to myself like that. If other people feel the same well, its no wonder bi+ have such high rates of depression and suicide. Its not about choosing who to like, there is no choice, I just feel attraction to everyone. Aces, I get. Its similar to being the opposite of what I feel, or not feeling an attraction to someone I’m not interested in. Easy. Gays and hets? I’m completely lost on.

Completely, and I know I’m not the only one who feels that way. But that doesn’t mean I’m not willing to try and understand where they’re coming from. Its alien to me, personally, but I’m not going to shut down the fact, that theres a fuck ton of people who only like one gender or try and make up reasons as to why they’re actually bi+

I digress, none of the boys fall neatly into the gay stereotypes, its just that parts of the Larry fandom have boxed Louis and Harry into certain roles to fit preconceived notions (likely do to them initially fitting in better with the white, sassy, somewhat effeminate twink thats been plastered all over Hollywood as their “LGBT+ representation” for years. Gag), they can understand better, and only look for proof to back up their theories but don’t look at things objectively.

They really need to get out more and make some LGBT+ friends that aren’t on the internet and talk to some gay elders. They need educating that’s not the often sanitized and insulting Hollywood version, that’s all I’m saying.

They made Louis and Harry more palatable for themselves and its… really gross.

I don’t know, I don’t get it.

Some Larries ™ turned the boys into their fandom and fanfiction stereotypes when they’re so much more than that. The Sony leaks should have been enough to dissuade the fandom, and prove that the brand sold to the broader audience is just that- a brand, and yet… Niall only talks about food and golf and Ireland and is only allowed to be straight or ace. If he exists at all its just to be Capt Niall. Liams slow and dumb and depending on the day he’s either Capt Liam or a horrific abusive homophobe. Zayns just The Worst, a unstable drug addict, and the boys hate each other, and they should have kicked him out of the band sooner because he never wanted to be part of them anyway, etc.

It drives me absolutely around the bend some days. They’re real people who don’t owe anyone anything, especially not coming out.

Yes, I think they will. But they’re not obligated to. They can change their minds, I’ll support them regardless of an “official” coming out or not.

Look, a part of me gets it. They wanna be right, they wanna prove the haters wrong, they want to be able to say I called it all along! The vindication will be sweet.

But like, it takes a quick look at someone other than Louis and Harry to realize theres something hinky going on with Liam, Zayn and Niall. Please listen to their fans who have spent just as much time as you have looking into Louis and Harry compiling together evidence.

It might take a weekend to watch the ILYSM and pterodactyl bros videos and a few more hours looking into some Niall blogs, which isn’t much compared to the hours I know they’ve spent looking into Larry. At least then they’ll have enough information to form an opinion on things.

I wonder, for some, what would happen if Larry didn’t come out, or didn’t come out first, or one of the other boys was outed against their will. Because… I don’t know. It seems like some would rather just be proven right at this point.

I get it. We’re tired. Its been eleven long years. But this isn’t a television show were everything can come to a head with a s3 or s4 cliff hanger and fixed in the series finale. Its real life, and they started off as boys trusting industry veterans who never had their best interests at heart.

Iduno. I just want some Larries ™ to take a step out of the echo chamber, realize life isn’t The Larry Show & co. And especially. ESPECIALLY, that every instance were someone, friends, family, co-works, industry peeps etc support the boys they are SUPPORTING THE BOYS, NOT THE FANDOM. They are not “confirming Larry for the fans” they’re doing it to support the couple, not to cater to the fandom. Please stop confusing the two. There’s a huge fucking difference. Learn it.

Hey I’m the Louis promo anon and I actually think he may still have some contractual obligations to his team. Or maybe he’s just staying with them to avoid the headache atm, since he’s working on the album BTS(and his vocals and even the future management company) and doesn’t need the promo desperately RIGHT NOW. But also if his team wasn’t so shit his numbers would be at least double what they are in terms of impact and streams. If actual garbage music can sell more so can he, even if walls isn’t an album made to be #1 pop album of the year(and that’s ok ffs I’m an alternative fan so that’s the type of music I like anyways, I’m sure others agree).

We know he wanted to launch music in 2018 but something cough Simon cough xfactor got in the way. I just don’t understand why they’d drag him down with walls by literally doing nothing cus NOTHING IS NOTHING. Even musicians/producers who react to his stuff say it’s solid enough for a certain market(Blake maclain loved it, for one, and he’s into that style of music), and all my friends who’ve heard walls loved it(I’m 18, target demographic perhaps, but also my one picky ass friend said it’s good so wtf it’s just a solid album I just choose to ignore perfect now), so I just don’t get why they didn’t at least make an effort to appeal to the alternative/niche audience through radios or other tactics. Louis could’ve made them more money if they just put in 10% effort rather than 1% and it’s clear that whatever went down was complex and personal. I do disagree harrys got anything to do with it honestly(directly at least) but yeah the 1d hunger games and them thinking at least one member must flop probably has everything to do with it(at least after 2017 when 4/5 were thriving commercially). Thankfully he has enough of a fan base to do better with the next album but lord I pray LTHQ get fired the second Lt2 is announced bc I’m tired and my fav being called floplinson left and right is annoying asf when a big reason he’s this “unknown” is the lack of promo. Have a nice day darling 💙💛

Who knows why Matt (the bad Matt) and Miss Jesobel are still around. But nobody who works as hard as Louis does likes to be surrounded by idiots. The promo before and after AFHF was... non-existent and I've said it before but I can't believe Louis would create a whole festival (that's free for fans, so that cost him money) and be OK with no one talking about it outside of his established fanbase. Not to mention we never had the ticket sale information for the livestream event.

Anyways. "It is what it is".

Let's see what LT2 brings in term of visibility, as a serious solo artist who makes good music that goes beyond the post-boyband fans profiles.

There's nothing we can do for the moment.

i just dont think Cheryl's son is Liam's too. Also, comparing babygate 1.0 to 2.0 wont make it any more believable Saying "Cheryl wants privacy she hasnt talked about it neither did Liam so it means its Liam's" uuuh she let the press talk about her pregnancy and exploited her son (and Liam's name) before she got pregnant and she didnt confirm or deny it to get even more headlines, she could've hidden her bump and we wouldnt have known ;) her telling tabloids "i'm making a statement to make a statement that i just want privacy!!! I dont want bad luck!!!!" Really isnt asking for privacy when YOU let them write articles about your pregnancy, and not denying or confirming it then sending that statement gets you more headlines. Also i really am thankful that Liam didnt have to talk about Cheryl's pregnancy (because 1DHQ know we noticed how fake and absurd it was when they let Louis talk about becoming a "dad" in ints). Ur comparing babygate 1 to 2 to prove Liam is a dad- you missed something HUGE in here- Cheryl WAS actually pregnant, Br*ana WAS NEVER pregnant! Freddie isnt hers! So of course it was easier for B to fake it and go get papped (Cheryl got papped too) but since she's an idiot and all she wanted was attention, articles and $$$ she did alot of dumb things, that proved us she isnt pregnant, Cheryl here, WAS pregnant, but that didnt stop her from still teasing tabloids and giving them "am i pregnant? This shirt doesnt make me pregnant, tomorrow i will wear a stripped jumpsuit to make me look more pregnant...hmm am i pregnant? What do u think?" And she And used her first exclusive bump pics for a L'Oreal campaign. Cheryl cant go and get papped in heels and new hair and pleather pants like B did, because she just gave birth, Br*ana did NOT. However, Cheryl has a team, they're gonna handle this, Br*ana doesnt have a team of her own (1DHQ isnt her team since she's not their art client) to make you believe Liam is a father This time, Cheryl was pregnant and is having her own baby, she is already in the industry whereas Briana isnt famous, wasnt pregnant so she doesnt give a fuck about her "son". Cheryl here, does, bc she's a MOTHER now. Also, Babygate one was to prove Larry is fake and Louis is straight!1! Chiam in here, we dont know about Liam’s sexuality so 1dhq really dont need to go over the top to push Liam’s het image. PR sunts dont mean bearding and closeting. Chiam is a PR stunt, so dont say “but Liam isnt gay he doesnt need a PR stunt!1!” He doesnt have to be gay to do (contractually forced to, more like) pr stunts. For example, CaKe, is SO PUBLICISED that people who arent fans of them see their headlines would think so, at least Kendall and Cara are good friends. Now idk if Liam and Cheryl are actually friends or not but you can totally see Liam is NOT happy when he has to pretend he’s her “boyfriend” and son’s dad. Cheryl has teams, pr & marketing team, managements, is in the industry and wanting to get more famous Br*ana here: doesnt have a job, has NONE of what Cheryl has, isnt famous at ALL, doesnt have SKILLS or TALENTS at all. Cheryl WAS pregnant, she has her own son, no dolls and hired babies and photoshopped bumps needed. Br*ana here, WASNT pregnant, doesnt have a son, used dolls and hired babies (a Clark baby, related to her STEP DAD) photoshopped her face to pregnant women. 1DHQ finally noticed we arent as dumb and fool as they think they are (and the J’s) and that we didnt buy babygate 1.0, so they’re making babygate 2.0 as more low key as they can to create an illusion of “privacy” PLUS, most of us are just TIRED of being manipulated so its easy for other fans to believe Liam is the dad. 1DHQ (especially Simon) will do anything to destroy Louis’ image and trash him left and right and push his het image, in here, Liam has a good management and i hope they can prevent alot of Chiam baby 2.0 obligations NONE of the boys are FREE yet! Cheryl is getting alot of offers to give exclusive pics of her baby to tabloids for like, £20,000 and more! She is scheming this lol. Cheryl has to play that Liam is the dad role right because after Liam is free from this she wont disappear like the Jungleworms do, she’ll continue her career and hope for more offers. Briana is a nobody and she’ll just disappear and cry that everyone forgot her lol. They’re seeing how we really analysed babygate 1 and want to lay this low. This is Cheryl’s baby, but not Liam’s (Also notice how Cheryl posted a pic of Liam and the baby and not like herself and the baby or at least the baby with half her body with her face cropped) to get more headlines, She could’ve waited a few more days but to announce it but nope, she wants all the Mother’s Day headlines to herself. And quite frankly, i really dont believe that Liam just wanted to have a baby with Cheryl after 3-4 months of (fake) dating her, Cheryl’s pregnancy wasnt a mistake like “"Briana’s”“ she planned her pregnancy, not when he knows he’ll be working on his first solo album and will be super busy and not there for his baby as much as he’d like. I really dont think Liam would do that. Sure he has this wonderful, amazing father material, but…..not now. Dont forget when Liam and Louis picked the baby “its not real” on OTRA, Liam picking up that baby wasnt a coincidence, it was debunked that the baby doll thrown on stage wasnt thrown by a fan, but by someone REALLY close to the stage aka Oli or one of the boys’ crew! And RBB wearing Batman costumes and angry eyebrows and red stickers and a BABY bottle with RBB dressed as Liam…dont forget that. None of the boys are free yet. NONE. Free them, they deserve the world (P.s i really like babies that baby looks so tiny aw i want a baby)