Buck and Tommy aren’t together though, so it wouldn’t be cheating from both perspectives. If you’ve headcanoned them in a deep relationship it might, but in canon it wouldn’t be. I don’t see them having a conversation where they’re talking about being exclusive either tbh. Lou was signed for a 4 ep arc so his last ep is due any time now

I'll start with saying I was shipping buddie since 2021, but arrrrrrr how I hate some fans who thinks that buddie canon can justify anything

First, between coffee date and wedding I'm almost sure will happen at least some weeks, so Buck will have time to defying relationship with Tommy, at least asking about being exclusive (you don't ask people you don't want to be exclusive with to your sis wedding). Second, Buck wants something meaningful and it can't happen from him cheating on a guy HE CLEARLY LIKES, no matter how you tries to prove his not. Third, Eddie and Marisol are in serious relationships and from Eddie's side it can be REAL(as you don't see bucktommy as cheating THIS ONE IS CHEATING) cheating.

Also, Lou was FIRSTLY sight up for 4 episodes, before they made bi Buck and bucktommy arc, and Tim still works on last episodes, do you really think Tommy will end his arc in 7x6 when he is clearly pretty popular? Well, surprise he most likely will stay

Now, the problematic of people like you who screams about buddie being PERFECT couple and it's normal to them to cheat on their partners, who did nothing wrong to them and being supportive and gentle, no matter how long they are dating, should be examine. So just because they are your little pretty boys they can cheat now? They can just jump into each other arms without normal build up and no matter that it looks awful and they look like awful people? Be for real and grow up

I'm tired to be respectful to people like you. Next anon like that just will be blocked

I'm really gonna need people who are saying Buck ending up with Tommy would be his happy ending but Eddie wouldn't get a happy ending if he wasn't with Buck to make up their minds because these are contradictory statements.

It's either BOTH Buck and Eddie COULD have happy endings with new/separate characters as long as they're developed well OR both Buck and Eddie would only have narratively satisfying happy endings with each other.

Because both of them are seeking love/a romantic partnership so it wouldn't really make (narrative) sense for either of them to end up alone. But just because Buck's found a good potential relationship in Tommy right now doesn't mean that he's being written to be Buck's endgame and doesn't automatically mean that Buck's found his happy ending with Tommy just because Tommy is a man and allowing Buck to experience his first queer relationship. It does seem to be a sweet/healthy relationship so far but that does not automatically mean a happy ending is with Tommy.

Additionally, the writers COULD bring in a new good character to be Eddie's endgame. I know none of us like Marisol but that doesn't mean that the writers couldn't, if they wanted, introduce a new male or female character that would suit Eddie. For many of us it would fall flat just inherently due to how deep his relationship is with Buck, but look at how well received Tommy was. To the point where many people are now like okay BuckTommy endgame without any nuance. If that can happen for Buck, it can happen for Eddie too.

HOWEVER

Narratively, Buck and Eddie are STILL being written to be each other's endgames and this is still the case even in episodes where Tommy is very present. It's still the case with the most recent episode too.

My personal opinion: Buck and Eddie narratively only make sense with each other (and only each other) in the long run and kind of have to be each other's endgames unless the show wants to undo 6 seasons worth of relationship development.

BUT I respect other people's opinions and people are allowed to ship and root for whatever they want. Just don't be hypocritical and say Eddie could NEVER find happiness unless it's with Buck but Buck would have his happy ending in Tommy. It's just messed up.

You cleary don‘t get the concept of slow burn story telling. Try watching Castle and then you KNOW Buck and Eddie are not such a thing.

Why would you tell me, a canon slow burn shipping connoisseur, this? Like X-Files, Bones, and Castle weren’t the very BLUEPRINT to my shipping… Sorry, 90% of my ships are canon slow burns. That shit is my jam. I love winning and I actually have patience. Nice try tho 💕

a very special shout-out to Allan for existing

I know that the “Buckley Diaz family” has been a term for years in this fandom but I’m going to be brave and tell you one of my pretty controversial headcanons:

If Buck and Eddie ended up together and eventually got married, Buck would change his name and be Evan Diaz.

Considering how awful his parents were to him, I don’t think keeping the name “Buckley”, a name his parents gave him, is a super high priority for him. I think he’d rather have the name of the love of his life and literal son than the name of the people who hurt him so badly. I think at that point in his relationship he’d identify more with the Diaz name.

I also think it would be a little funny when he would introduce himself to someone he’s just met like: “Evan Diaz, but everyone calls me Buck.” And whoever he meets always just looks a little confused like “Why is that his nickname?”

yeah no, I can’t think of any reason queer people would enjoy the *checks notes* sweet and well written canon queer relationship, one half of which is a character whose been bi-coded for 5+ years. yeah must be a fetish thing you’re absolutely right, there’s zero other plausible explanations.

god i really feel like the mcrp fandom and the wrestling fandom are cousins. we should hold hands. we both have to deal with people not quite understanding the idea of keyfabe ("don't you know wrestling is FAKE?"/"they're using their real names so clearly it's all the real youtubers"), with ao3 tagging nightmares (did you know the wrestling fandom still has the rpf tag problem the mcrp fandom had for years because apparently ao3 doesn't understand keyfabe either?), with people who don't understand keyfabe but from the other side (yes it's not real but i should still harass the player/wrestler about it right?), with complicated plots with goofy characters, with outsiders being dead convinced that the people inside are writing rpf, even if we explain it's not real... i'm just saying. we're cousins. buddies. we should hold hands. we should understand each other. that's all i'm saying,

i’m still hearing people say that just because they went on a couple dates and kissed twice that it does not make buck and tommy boyfriends

and it just baffles me because, what do you call someone you just sucked face with in a hospital lobby for thirty minutes, then introduced him to your entire family at your sister’s wedding, while the same soot on his face is also on yours?

could you explain to me why you think bucktommy forever would be narratively satisfying but there's no possibility of them introducing a love interest for eddie that would be satisfying? i don't understand

I DON'T think bucktommy would be narratively satisfying.

I DO think there is more potential in the current narrative structure for them to make bucktommy endgame work in a reasonably narratively satisfying way (IF Eddie's story wasn't a factor, which it is).

I also don't necessarily think it would be impossible for them to bring in someone for Eddie if I'm imagining they have all the time in the world to make that work. But the reality of the current narrative is that I don't think they have all the time in the world. And as talented as these writers are, I don't see any way they could introduce someone entirely new, with no connection to the current narrative, and make me buy that person as Eddie's endgame. There just isn't time. A couple of years ago, I would have said that I thought Eddie could have an interesting and satisfying ending to his story if he learned that he didn't need romantic fulfillment to be happy. Since then, however, they've really doubled down on Eddie's loneliness and desire for a romantic partner AND they went for the queer Buck storyline. When you add to that all of Eddie's history with Buck and the way he's welcomed Buck into his life and embraced him as a partner both in his own life and in Christopher's, I don't see any way for them to disentangle that story and introduce someone else (unless it was Tommy, maybe, but nobody's going to want to hear that).

It would just take SO much work and time that I'm not sure they have because it would take several seasons, I think, for it to really reach any level of satisfying.

The difference with bucktommy is simply that it would take very slightly less work (though still a TON of work) for a few reasons.

First, Buck is just Buck. With Eddie, there's also the Christopher of it all to contend with, which adds a complicating layer that extends the work that needs to be done in Eddie's story in a way that doesn't exist for Buck's story (as important as Christopher is for Buck, it's very different from what would need to happen for Eddie who is literally Christopher's parent). So Buck's story has fewer complications to contend with, especially since they've already gotten it off the ground with Buck's queer awakening and introducing his relationship with Tommy already at this point in canon. So there would literally just be less time involved.

Beyond that, Tommy is already an established character in universe. They don't need to do quite as much work to help us get to know him, because we already do, even if only peripherally. But he is established as significant to the stories of other characters beyond Buck. He had a role to play in Chimney's, Hen's, and Bobby's (and hell, even Eddie's!) stories long before he ever became significant to Buck's. So, developing his place among the team and their extended family is not nearly as complicated as it would be with someone entirely new—and even someone from Eddie's past wouldn't have the history with the team, so still, more complications there.

So, yes, I think bucktommy has more potential in the current narrative structure (if—and ONLY if—completely divorced from Eddie's storyline, which it can never be).

But not only do I not actually think either could be a satisfying ending for either Buck or Eddie in the current narrative, there actually isn't anything to suggest that the show is doing the work it needs to to make that potential a reality, either. Because they are not separating out Eddie and Buck (frankly, they're entwining them further). And they aren't even doing any work to flesh out Tommy’s character. I know fandom has grown really attached to him, but the reality is that the character is currently just being used as a pawn to move Buck's story forward. Tommy has a past with the 118 that creates a lot of potential, but that potential is not being used. The character is, frankly, pretty flat at the current moment. They haven't even tried to bring him back into the 118 fold—the only people he's really interacted with since his reintroduction are Eddie and Buck, when there has been plenty of opportunity to fold him back into the team in ways that would at least have him vaguely interacting with the others (like, I don't know, Chimney actually inviting him to the wedding or Hen even acknowledging him at the bachelor party). Their relationship is cute and sweet, but there's nothing that indicates it's any deeper than any of the other relationships Buck has had thus far, and they are actively juxtaposing the bucktommy relationship with the buddie relationship in a way that makes very clear just how surface level that relationship really is when compared to the depth of Buck and Eddie's relationship with one another.

So, no, I don't think bucktommy are going to be endgame, nor do I have any interest in them being endgame. But I recognize that there is currently—literally, in the canon narrative—more potential for bucktommy to work if the show really wanted to make it happen and put in the work, mostly because of Tommy’s history with the rest of the 118.

On Eddie's end, there is no current canon potential. There's no current love interest they could turn around (especially because Edy is a shit human being and people would riot if they actually made Marisol Eddie's endgame). There's no past love interest they could bring back that wouldn't somehow have to be worked into the rest of the team. There's the additional complication of the Christopher of it all and how much that changes where Eddie's story can go and how quickly it can be developed.

It's quite literally just the difference in time. If Buck's relationship with Eddie wasn't a factor, I think they could do it in two seasons for bucktommy. For Eddie and this currently non-existent love interest, I think it'd take a good three or more, and even then, I think it would have to be someone they introduce as a part of the team (Lucy? Ravi? Tommy?) because anyone separate wouldn't have any room to develop sufficiently.

But the reality is that, frankly, the ONLY narratively satisfying ending for Eddie and Buck is one another. Any other option would require dismantling so much beautiful storytelling that I cannot see how it would ever be worth it.

I just think it's funny that...

the loudest part of this fandom has been begging for queer!Buck for years. but, the second they actually give the fandom what they want, and Buck has a canon boyfriend, a date he is taking to his sister's wedding, someone he can't stop thinking about, that's... wrong?

you got the rep you were begging for. we have the actor and the rest of the cast openly saying a character is bisexual. we are getting exactly what we asked for.

but now it's not good enough because it's not exactly who you want him to be with?

the definition of bisexuality is not I love every single woman in the world and that one guy. there are a million essays on this very site that go into exactly how biphobic that mindset actually is. it perpetuates the finer details of the patriarchy that everyone hates until it serves their purpose.

you're allowed to not ship something, but to say it's not canon or block a wiki page from being edited to state their relationship is actually extremely biphobic. you got what you want and now you're attacking it. I think that says a lot more about you than it says about the writers who are denying you something they never promised in the first place.

The fact people are genuinely foaming at the mouth over other fans “jumping ship” to Buck/Tommy baffle me, like do you guys not multiship? Can you not admit that both ships can happen simultaneously even if one isn’t canon?

How bad is your object permanence?

Buck intentionally tried to break his best friends ankle just because he was pissed he was talking to his crush, Eddie is still far and away the better person here

Oh, Anon.

You stepped into the wrong inbox I'm afraid because I'm going to use you as a stepping stone to my thoughts on this.

Buck never intentionally tried to break Eddie's ankle. If you watch the basketball scene (and those that came before and after it) without prejudice, you would understand that, yes, Buck was pissed, but he was pissed because he doesn't like basketball, and he's trying to get Tommy's attention in a positive light.

Which won't happen if you suck at the game and your best friend is making basket after basket, getting high fived by your crush, and ultimately going everywhere together.

Buck was simply trying to block Eddie. That's a thing in basketball, and it's why sports injuries happen.

Was it childish?

Sure. But that's why Buck goes to Maddie. He knows he fucked up. And you also need to remember that Eddie, because Buck is his best friend, isn't pised at Buck at all. Instead, Eddie AND Tommy both feel bad.

Now, back to your bit about Eddie being a better person...

How the fuck do any of us know that?

We have to go by what we've seen vs what we think we know.

We've seen Buck struggle with lying to people immediately after it happens.

Eddie didn't bat an eye. Twice.

You can not compare two similar storylines when you have no idea how one of them ends.

We don't know if Eddie is going to physically cheat. We don't know if Eddie will feel guilty about it. Hell, we don't even know if Eddie will ever tell anyone.

We DO know that Eddie lied to both Christopher and Buck, ultimately having us cemented in the fact that he lied to Marisol about where he would be.

We also know Eddie deliberately lied to Kim about it just being him and Christopher. Single dad line, my most disgusted. 🙈

This also shows that Eddie is selfishly dragging his best friend into this messy situation with him.

But the biggest take away from the last 24 hours is that, this discourse throughout the fandom is no longer whether you're a fan of bucktommy or a fan of buddie. No, it's now become whether you're pro-Buck or pro-Eddie.

And for those pro-Eddie fans, who cling to a lifetime ticket on the Buddie Ship International, what ARE you doing???

Cause that's really fucking messed up.

It's the year of our lord 2024 and I still have to burn my eyes looking at "bUDDIE is NEVeR GOnNa HAPPEn bECauSe iT's Just DESTiel ALL ovEr AgAiN" tone deaf ass takes when they're not even in the same playing field, they're not even playing the same SPORT, take y'all's CW trauma back up the pipeline pls

the life cycle of this buddie getting shut down in s4 theory is exactly what I meant when I said the fandom is queerbaiting itself.

people take a snippet of bts info that they have almost no context for -> extrapolate wildly -> the theory spreads, more stuff gets tacked on -> it spreads even further, now minus any context -> it gets ingrained into the fanon lore and treated as a fact -> ppl get their hopes up, then feel cheated if/when nothing comes of it.

in less than a day we’ve gone from oliver saying bi buck was pitched to him at some point in the last couple of years but got squashed by someone above him, to people saying that the shooting/will was definitely originally an explicit love confession.

To be clear we’ve no idea what that version of buck’s coming out would’ve looked liked. Hell, depending on how early it got scrapped, the writers might not know much beyond buck = bi.

and I’m not saying it’s not plausible (to a degree at least) but some of you are acting like oliver leaked a deleted buddie confession scene in 4k. When all he did was make a pretty vague reference to a storyline that never was.

It’s fine to speculate just please stop presenting it as if tim minear is in your dms.

How I’m approaching the fandom atp:

Yeah though seriously- you might not ship Buck and Tommy and that's okay- everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it doesn't harm anyone- what makes it not okay is when you say things like you're being queerbaited- in a show that *literally* has a canon lesbian couple (where one half of the couple is a main character) SINCE the first episode of the show, that, 1) consistently, as a couple, have storylines that get resolved in a way that shows the writers aren't brushing the characters away, and arcs that show character growth.

2) NONE. NONE. Of the canonically queer characters have been harmed in a way that resulted in permanent death. And when they do get in harms way (which is inevitable- this is the nature of the show), it's done in a thoughtful way- their actions and risk of death/ injury WOULD add something to the plot/ storyline. Their loss would have an impact on us as the viewer. They would not be meaningless deaths. And aside from death, even queer characters who 'exit the main storyline of the show' but are otherwise alive, are still done with thought and care. I mean, (and spoilers for the first few seasons of the show,) Michael's storyline lasted (iirc) about 3-5? seasons. (We are not talking about meta events such as why they removed the actor from the show). He and his (named AND on-screen) husband, David, move to help people. His husband is literally a neurosurgeon. There was literally an episode revolving around Michael's proposal to David. Even after they've moved away, they're STILL referenced and talked about. They're not pushed away or ignored like the way some shows treat characters who aren't there anymore.

Josh (my bby fr), who's also been canonically gay since his first appearance, also has a arc that's real and very very relatable to most of us. The show takes it fucking seriously as well. And Josh is GOOD. Even as a side character, he's not reduced to the 'gay best friend'. As I said, he has his own storyline and arc, he has his own opinions, he's good at his job.

Aside from the main characters, imo, 911 also does a damn good job of showing that queer people exist. You might not like it because 'oh they're showing queer people who are in danger/ not happy/ dying.' To which I'd respond by saying that you're watching a show about paramedics. As much as we like to say this is the gay firefighter show (accurate lmao), we need to remember that there's going to be dark themes in this show.

I don't remember every call they've come across that involved queer people, but we for sure remember the 'we ever only wanted to go together' scene, with the elderly husbands. Yes it involves death. That's why we're seeing this scene in the first place- the engine wouldn't have to respond to a call if there wasn't a call in the first place. But it also fucking shows queer people growing old together and making a life for themselves. The opening scene is literally a montage of the husbands' relationship over the years. I don't know how many mainstream shows put that much fucking care in queer characters.

And then there's also the wlw couple in that car accident thing- not as significant as the husbands but like, that's the point, is it not? Not all their calls are significant- we don't even see all of them. The point is that they just show queer people existing as a general thing. It's not strange that the two women who were in the same car in a crash are both gay. There's no weird over-sexualised kiss. There's no show or mention or even hint of homophobia or confusion by the firefighters. It's fucking normal. So yeah. Do I ship endgame Tevan? Not at this moment. Do I like them together as a couple right now? Fucking yes. My personal opinion is that I like Buck and Eddie together more (at least for now), but why would I not ship Tommy and Buck right now? It makes no fucking sense not to. Buck is in a happy (queer) relationship, he's still figuring himself out as a bi man in his 30s, he's dating a masc man, who's past is messy and has since grown (oh look at that, another character arc revolving around a queer person), and they're clearly fucking happy together.

Anyway. I have a lot of feelings about this lmao. You want proper bi representation? Bro. I don't know what to tell you but you're looking at it.