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rainier's reasons for resenting nia seem surface level at first - he's quiet, reserved, and serious; she's outgoing, bubbly, and acts on impulse.
but it's not just that that bothers him, not even that she seems to get along with his father better than he does -- she has a perfect life: a life he would give anything to have, and she seems to take so much of it for granted.
her father bayana doesnt have a dishonourable past like rainier's father dagur does. perhaps bayana had some issues with the dragon riders and silkspanners when he first arrived in the archipelago, but that pales in comparison to all the harm dagur inflicted on dragons and dragon riders in his youth (and the fact that he was imprisoned by another chieftain for three years). and what's more, bayana is known for being shrewd and strategic. he doesn't try to smash his way through problems like...some people....
nia's mother, yuka is sweet and encouraging - never stingy with praise or physical affection. rainier vaguely remembers being closer with his mother mala when he was younger, but things changed over time. either he changed, or she did...or both. and now the most he can expect from her is a nod of approval, or the hint of a smile. a raised brow followed by "well done" from mala will make rainier's entire day. meanwhile, yuka will kiss her daughter on the cheek and nia squirms impatiently, as if her mother's love is something to be embarrassed about.
and not only does nia have the admiration of the kids on berk (who rainier never feels comfortable around), but she has several younger siblings. rainier cant say for certain that he'd get along well with siblings, but he knows he would be a protective and responsible older brother if given the chance. he'd never let harm come to a child in his care the way harm came to him when he lost his eye. and he thinks wistfully...perhaps selfishly...he would be able to share the weight of his responsibilities.
nia has the future of one tribe resting on her shoulders, and a line of younger siblings to help carry the load. both the defenders of the wing and the berserkers look to rainier as their heirs. he's long given up hope of his aunt heather having a child to rule the berserkers or his mother having another child.
so everything falls to him. and as much as he wants to be worthy of that responsibility, he can't help but feel that it's too much for him.
#rainier#rainier the relentless#rainier dagurson#nia#nia of the ayida#thw rewrite#httyd rewrite#httyd oc#httyd ocs#dagur the deranged#bayana httyd#httyd bayana#meanwhile nia doesnt hate rainier shes kind of like#oh that guy?#yeah hes real serious and grumpy all the time#idk what his deal is#long post
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Richard Hamilton Discusses the Unreleased HTTYD Comic ‘The Fire Tides’
The full interview is finally here guys! Can’t wait for you guys to hear the untold story, it will blow your minds!
I’ll be making another post about a fanart competition brought up in the video, so look out for that. It involves the fandom competing for their piece to be determined the CANON depiction of shirtless Hiccup!
Here’s the general shortened story for people who don’t have time to sit through the whole thing:
- The first pages of the book would’ve been a vague depiction of a young boy in a far off Village holding his hand out to an abused Night Fury, which horrifically resulted in his arm getting bitten off. This was Drago Bludvist as a child and how he lost his arm.
- The story is primarily from Astrid’s perspective.
- The riders use the Foreverwing dragon as a cargo jet for them and their dragons to ride on, which they use to go to a gathering of Chieftains at the beginning of the story.
- This is where we see Heather and Dagur, her and Fishlegs have a cute moment to wrap up their relationship.
- We also see Eret Father of Eret, who is supposedly a Chieftain himself.
- On the way back from Berk, the riders encounter a terrible storm, which separates Hiccup and Toothless from the other riders and leaves Valka injured and unconscious.
- Astrid gets the others back to Berk, but Hiccup and Toothless are still missing. She takes over as acting Chief until they can find him.
- Hiccup and Toothless end up getting swallowed by a giant titanwing Fathomfin dragon, which acts as a submarine and deposits them in an underwater cavern that was once a Viking city, complete with air pockets so they can breathe. Here Hiccup discovers through tapestries that the Viking city fell because the civilians lost faith in their leader, which contributes to Hiccup’s future decisions as Chief.
- While Valka is unconscious back at Berk, she has periodic flashbacks to her 20 years away, including her first encounter with Drago.
- Back in the underwater cavern, Hiccup discovers they aren’t alone because DRAGO BLUDVIST IS DOWN THERE AS WELL! Not only is he alive, but he’s developed a symbiotic relationship with a Tormentipede, which is a centipede-like dragon that has attached itself to him and acted as his new prosthetic arm that SHOOTS FIRE!
- Without any means of armor, Hiccup gets shirtless and we see that he has scars and the runes that spell ‘Astrid’ tattooed on his chest. This is the first time we see him crush up Toothless’ scales to use as fire protection which he slathers all over himself.
- Back on Berk, Astrid assembles the A Team to help the search for Hiccup, which means an aged-up Gustav makes an appearance. Apparently Gustav, like Hiccup, got whacked with the puberty stick and is now a stud. He’s this triathlete of the dragon riders who is so proficient that he has land-based, water-based and air-based dragons that he switches between. Bayana from Dragonvine also comes back with his Silkspanners to aid with the search.
- During a Valka flashback, we see that her first encounter at Drago’s lair ended with her using a group of Speedstingers that she gathered to use like a dog-sled to escape.
- While Astrid is kicking ass at being Chief, Gobber tells her that it’s okay for her to be sad about Hiccup being gone (and possibly dead). Though she tears up at the thought, she says she isn’t sad because she believes that he’s alive, and if later she finds out he’s dead, she’ll be sad then.
- Back in the underwater cavern, Hiccup discovers that the Fathomfin has been providing the submerged city with air for them to survive in, and it’s essentially the dragon’s nest.
- Hiccup and Drago have a super climactic fight, and though Richard did not disclose exactly what happened (because he still holds out hope the comic will one day be published, and didn’t want to spoil everything) Drago apparently has a very FINAL fate where Hiccup is forced to do something he has serious moral qualms with.
- Astrid and their teams assemble to find Hiccup, but in the midst another storm hits and while the other riders head home, Astrid knows Hiccup and Toothless won’t be lucky enough to survive a second storm so she stays behind to look for them.
- The Fathomfin returns Hiccup and Toothless to the surface, but Toothless is unable to fly due to his tail fin being damaged in the first storm. Hiccup instead uses the Fathomfin saliva (which is flamable even when wet) to spell out “ASTRID” in the same runes he has tattooed on his chest on the water, which ignites.
- Stormfly notices Hiccup’s lost dragon blade in the water, which is what leads her and Astrid to where Hiccup and Toothless are. She sees his signal and saves them.
- The two kiss of course 😍 which would’ve taken up an entire page of the book complete with Stormfly and Toothless doing something cute in the background.
- After finding a safe place for them to stop as the storm dies down, Toothless’ scales have washed free of Hiccup so we get another scene of him shirtless.
- Astrid’s all wet too, so she proceeds to take off a few layers and we see that SHE ALSO HAS A TATTOO OF THE RUNES THAT SPELL ‘HICCUP’ 😭☠️ (though he doesn’t specify exactly where, I’m thinking ribs)
- Valka survives of course, but in one of her flashbacks we learn that she once encountered Gothi’s twin sister Gretel, who is blind and was apparently going to be the villain of the FOURTH comic.
There may have been little beats that I forgot, but Richard goes into full detail in the actual interview, so definitely check it out if you can!!!
#httyd#the fire tides#hiccup horrendous haddock III#astrid hofferson#drago bludvist#hiccstrid#rtte#richard ashley hamilton
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bayana on bass!
#finally eret's band has a bass player#httyd#dragonvine#by me#bayana#bayana httyd#i'll fix his legs in the clean up#i might color!!
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doing fmp research and currently foaming at the mouth thinking of a httyd spinoff series taking place somewhere like east asia and thinking of all the amazing dragon designs... holy shit...
#or even africa like i know they're more like ginormous snakes in the mythology but still#IT TAKES PLACE SOMEWHERE IN AFRICA AND WE GET TO SEE BAYANA FROM DRAGONVINE AGAIN ???#also dean said his work on dragons was done... it could be an opportunity for more poc to get involved in production and stuff#i'm rambling but also... 👀#httyd
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Hai, you’re amazing and so is your art and I know I tell you this EVERY SINGLE DAY BUT YOU DESERVE ALL THE LOVE AND APPRECIATION BECAUSE YOU ARE AMAZING!!! Also I can’t wait to see more of Dawn and Dusk soon, I fricking love them to pieces.
Waaaaa~ Thank you so much my dear Dina!~
You’re so sweet, I appreciate all you lovely messages and support of my drawings so much! It really makes me happy when people mention wanting to know/see more of Dawn & Dusk. I love OCs, especially making them so to see others take an interest or like my oc children too it just warms my hearrrrt
Speaking of Dawn. I have 2 other asks regarding her. Two good asks I’ve been saving for when I’m finally on break to properly answer. One is about a brief rundown of Dawn and who she is (which her story has been updated again recently). The other about if Dawn would have dragon armor like the gang and what would it look like (which I’ve really been itching to draw out for awhiile now). So you can probably look forward to that stuff next time I draw em. :)
#so it makes me happy.. especially with Dawn#I wanted to design a character that could 'fit' in the httyd universe but alsooo be a POC#I wanted to give her brown skin w/o it seeming#hhhhhh- ive always had a small dream of making ocs people that weren't just me- liked ^w^unrealistic" i guess?#part of the reason why i was really happy Bayana came along in Dragonvine is because it broadened httyd's scope#it made the world a whole lot bigger- showing people from far beyond the archipelago were effected by Drago.. by dragons- to the point of c#and nOW IM GETTING CARRIED AWAY#lol i may make a post about this in the future if more is asked about that stuff...#anyway- THANKS DINA!#ask#dinaslytherina#dang.. my taggs got wonked... i hope yall can understand it xD#this is what happens when ya talk in the tagsss
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To me the solution in the The Hidden World felt disproportionate to the dangers in the film.
The movie says dragons need to leave to be safe from dangerous humans and to live optimally as wild animals. Those concepts I can get behind. Where I hesitate is that I don’t feel the movie showed these problems to be great enough to push our protagonists into the dragons-must-leave solution. I’m not saying this in anger or hate or anything, but mulling reflection of why I didn’t feel THW to be convincing in where the story needed to be most convincing.
I don’t like playing the “Cowell’s books did it better!” card because the DreamWorks franchise and book series are distantly related cousins, each beautifully unique in their own fashions. But I think it’s useful to mention the book series to illustrate my point about why THW needs a bigger sense of problem to make the movie’s solution charitable. The books also conclude dragons and humans need to separate because civilization is too dangerous for dragons; someday the species may be ready to intermingle, but it’s not this era.
But in the books, the incompatibility between humans and dragons is hammered hard. The Barbaric Archipelago is launched into a three way war between dragons who want humans dead, humans who want dragons dead, and humans and dragons who want to unite in peace. Berk is torched to oblivion by dragon armies; the Hairy Hooligans are thrown into slavery; Stoick is stripped of leadership; one of Hiccup’s best friends hesitates to support him; Hiccup flees into exiled hiding to survive; Hiccup is betrayed by family to be interrogated and tortured by enemies; Hiccup nearly loses his best friend; Hiccup watches family die sacrificing themselves to keep him and his goal alive; the entirety of Viking civilization is thrown into war-torn chaos in which the genocide of one or multiple species is a terrifying hair’s width away. All of this is compounded by the archipelago’s deep history, a history which extends into the distant past... and continues to affect the present. It’s the pact Hiccup the First made with the dragons being broken; Hiccup the Second leading a protest with the dragons he grew up with, and his own father murdering him for his “betrayal”; Furious being chained for decades, growing increasingly angry of the injustices against dragonkind; Grimbeard, guilt-ridden, hiding his King’s Things in preparation for someone who could handle the monarch mantle better; and an entire society overflowing with hostile, hateful, brutal Vikings and dangerous dragons.
So, in the books, the reason the dragons leaving makes sense and emotionally feels like the right solution is because:
The incompatibility between humans and dragons in this current time is hammered hard. Whatever environment we’re in, whatever characters we’re meeting, whatever villains we’re fighting, whatever part of the dramatic plot we’re going through, we’re constantly, concretely embedded in a world where we can see the issues between the two species. It’s obviously a dangerous, hostile world.
Hiccup spends his entire life working with dragons to improve society. He never gives up. In fact, he makes significant progress in creating a better world. Decades of his kingship he spends working with the dragon queen to try to build a compatible environment. There’s sense of accomplishment. Still, in the end, it’s a matter of civilization moving in two steps forward, one step back: they’re making progress, but it’s obvious society isn’t ready for true unity. When the dragons disappear, it’s a bittersweet but obviously inevitable solution.
The movies of course don’t need to drill into slavery, torture, and a three-way havoc-wreaking war to make their point dragons need to disappear as the most charitable solution, but it still didn’t feel as though there were danger enough to satisfyingly explain Hiccup’s choice.
The first reason for why THW’s problems don’t feel pressing enough is that the villains don’t feel embedded enough in their own world. The warlords and Grimmel sort of... float... in this universe. We don’t concretely see how they’re impacting the archipelago; they’re hunting dragons, but what do those environments look like after the dragons have been hunted down? They’re conquerors, too, so what do human civilizations look like after they’ve marched through? Where is the rest of dragonkind and humanity in this equation? The only interaction we get between the villains and their world is how they related to Hiccup; it makes them feel much less dangerous and less widespreadly impacting. Grimmel is meant to represent humanity’s hostilities, such that Hiccup knows humanity isn’t ready for dragons. But when all we see is some vaguely-shown warlords who don’t do war, and a dragon hunter who kills one dragon total in the film, it doesn’t feel like the dragons are in such a dangerous situation that their entire archipelago is incompatible with them. Once Grimmel’s defeated at the end of THW, and no one knows where New Berk is located, why can’t we resume a life where peace between humans and dragons was actually working? They might try to say it’s only a matter of time before someone else comes to endanger them again, but does the way the story presents our enemies make that feel believable?
Hiccup’s had mixed luck with humanity and its hostility. But there’s been luck. In the movie franchise, he managed to create peace by changing Stoick and the Hairy Hooligans’ minds about dragons. He managed to convince Eret, a dragon trapper, to live in a dragon utopia. He convinced Valka, an elusive vigilante who hid dragons from humans, that there could be peace between species. Sure, Hiccup didn’t convince Grimmel, his warlords, and Drago... but that’s still just about 50% of his cases. The movie franchise has shown Hiccup having notable success in convincing a good amount of powerful people that dragons and humans can live in harmony. Why would Grimmel be a breaking point? Grimmel doesn’t feel significantly more dangerous - and both he and Drago get defeated *BECAUSE* humans and dragons are working together.
We need to feel a much more overarching, oppressive, widescale hostile environment. Otherwise, it’s hard to emotionally process and logically accept that dragons are in “such” a dangerous position they need to return to the Hidden World’s safety. Are the dangers Grimmel present really so impacting and widespread for the dragons to need to flee the entire world? To me, it doesn’t feel like it. We need more sense of danger, and widespread danger, and widespread ideology, for why humanity and dragons can’t coexist.
And if we want to go beyond the movies into the comics, video games, and television series (which THW references), we have even more instances of Hiccup gaining victory. Mildew, Heather, Alvin, Dagur, Viggo, Bayana, Oswald, Mala and the Defenders of the Wing, Atali and the Wingmaidens, and the Berserkers all started off as threats but became dragon-supporting allies. Sure, there were a few people like Krogan and Johann who remained hostile until the end... but given as Hiccup has such a history of success and making successful ground, and the world has repeatedly shown it can accept dragons and live in peace with them... it doesn’t help THW’s conclusion. Whether we’re looking just at the movie trilogy or the broader DreamWorks universe, we have this issue.
HTTYD 2 hits the idea Hiccup is the dragon uniter. He has “the heart of a chief and the soul of a dragon,” who can “bring [their] worlds together.” He is the one who preached “We are the voice of peace, and bit by bit, we will change this world.” There’s nothing wrong with reversing these messages from HTTYD 2 if presented with strong enough opposition. That can be an interesting, successful move in storytelling. But THW doesn’t present a hostile-enough world, especially not widespread enough of a hostile world, to merit the conclusion “the dragons cannot live with humans - period.”
Especially not when the way every hostility has been defeated... is through the peace between humans and dragons. Again, Hiccup defeated Drago because his love for Toothless was so powerful that it overpowered the Bewilderbeast’s hive mind. The humans and dragons stood together to defeat the enemy, fight back. The Red Death was defeated, bettering lives for all local dragons and humans, because a boy rode a dragon. And THW antagonists were defeated when the dragon riders fought with their dragons (down to Hobgobblers being a help) and Hiccup helped the Light Fury save Toothless. Yes, they wouldn’t have been in conflict with Grimmel in the first place if they weren’t living with dragons. And even if we ignore the question “Isn’t that Grimmel’s blame being a hostile warlord, not Berk’s problem being promoters of positive social change?” ...which could be somewhat solved by saying “We still need to protect our own, that’s our responsibility, whatever others are doing”... the challenge is that, obviously, ideologically and strength-wise we’re seeing which way the world is turning: that in favor of a unity between species.
The second reason why THW’s problems don’t feel pressing enough is because of how the dragons’ animal needs are presented. Are the dragons really so dampened in their lives because they’re not in the wild? I don’t think the movie presents that in a strong enough way.
First, we see Berk is overcrowded to the point of ridiculousness; Hiccup has tried to bring every dragon he’s rescued here. As cool as it looks, it is a disaster and cannot keep going this direction. Hiccup’s denying it (as is a theme of the movie: Hiccup denying what needs to be done). But the issue isn’t that humans and dragons are incompatible, as this point tries to suggest; it’s that Hiccup is trying to babysit EVERY dragon he’s come across. Not every dragon needs to be taken in and domesticated. You can rescue wild dragons, return them to the wild, but still live in a society where you ride your own dragon and everyone’s happy. You can have domesticated dragons and rescue other dragons, too, without worrying about draconic overpopulation in your urban areas.
Next, the main crux of the story is highlighting Toothless and his call to the wild. Just like Grimmel is meant to be a symbolic microcosm of an overarching human threat (humans = dangerous), so does the Light Fury mean to symbolically represent the second issue (dragons = wild animals). But it’s not easy to extract an overarching conclusion (all dragons need to be free) from the one case instance we watch. So this is an issue for Toothless. But what about Stormfly? Meatlug? Hookfang? Barf and Belch? We don’t see those dragons having any struggles living a more domesticated life. Stormfly’s got zero restrictions for living with Astrid, from everything I’ve seen. It’s presented in THW as an isolated incident with Toothless, exactly because he hasn’t been in companionship with one of his own kind before. Toothless’ problem is his own and can’t be generalized to every dragon of Berk - and yet in the end of the movie, everyone just magically, wordlessly seems to come to the conclusion “oh yeah all our dragons are incompatible with our lives because they’re wild animals.”
We saw the dragons go into happier existence once they came to Berk. When they were wild animals in the first movie, they lived under the Red Death’s terrifying shadow. If they didn’t bring back enough food to the island, they would be eaten themselves. The dragons found peace, happiness, and satisfaction when they started intermingling with humans post-Red Death. Arguably, by THW’s times, dragons are the safest they’ve ever been with humans.
Yes, there’s absolutely an argument to be made that Drago and Grimmel abuse dragons (they also abuse humans, note note), and there will always be people like them popping up to abuse dragons... so it’s TOTALLY the best move for the dragons to leave... they’ll still need protection... There’s lots of logic to be had there. Self-defensive measures are the right measures to keep everyone alive. THW wants to provide that reasoning. But in light of the fact changes are happening, this is not the right point for the revelation to hit that dragons should go. From the audience’s emotional perspective, it feels “incomplete.” In the movie, characters could have had a large discussion “more dragon killers like this will just keep popping up, over and over and over, and even though we’re winning the fights, it still means putting the dragons in danger” - but I think that doesn’t get presented hard enough in THW to put the could-have-been-there believability... actually there. And that’s my point - not what THW tried to say, which is a good idea, but how it doesn’t come across as enough in its actual addressal of the topic.
Third, the reason why THW doesn’t feel pressing enough is how the relationships between Hiccup and Toothless versus Toothless and the Light Fury were handled. I’m still having difficulty finding the words to say what I mean, but I suppose I can try!
What’s meant to be shown is Toothless being drawn back into the wild. His needs need to be met there. The Light Fury is meant to represent that call back and what a wild animal needs to live a fulfilling life. When he sees her, after so long alone as the only member of his kind, his needs “click,” and he chases after what’s been missing ever since he left his kind.
For me, I feel as though this could have been handled better. Because the story put romantic undertones in Toothless and the Light Fury’s interactions (characters calling her a “girlfriend,” Toothless doing human flirtatious moves and actions, even the soundtrack providing titles like “Third Date”), it comes across to audiences in a romance > friendship angle. Hiccup, a friend of six years, isn’t enough for the Light Fury, a potential mate he barely knows. While the story wasn’t trying to make this about “friendships and romances are incompatible” or “romances are more fulfilling than friendships,” that concept still feels underlying in what THW presents to audiences.
Because of that, it feels like Toothless’ need to go back to the wild... isn’t actually a need to go back to the wild. It didn’t feel like Toothless’ life was stifled from being with humans so much as he was wanting to interact with one female. I know the movie also showed Toothless in the Hidden World, presenting himself as a “true king” (aka, what a real dragon leader can do when in a wild environment), but it was such a small part of the movie that the message of Toothless going after a female overshadows any other facets the story might have wanted to present.
To get the sense Toothless needs to be with his kind for wildness-related reasons, we could have watched him get emotionally fulfilled with others of his kind without a romantic connotation (that way, the “Am I not enough for you?” comment from Hiccup wouldn’t accidentally come across as “friendship isn’t enough”). Showing Toothless interacting meaningfully with other Furies, not just one Light Fury, and feeling particularly restless when with the humans, might have helped. His being bowed to by dragons in the Hidden World doesn’t come across as need fulfillment, after all, so it’s really just about him and our lady Light Fury.
It also might have helped to show Toothless interacting back-and-forth more with Hiccup in conflicted ways, to help us understand what he felt about their friendship. We don’t get enough of Toothless’ thoughts about Hiccup - it’s just him on the Light Fury all the time - that all of Hiccup’s selfless actions to let Toothless go end up feeling too one-sided to me. I know they had Toothless somewhat abruptly whiplash to the Light Fury to show what he needed, but the result was it was hard to feel everything Toothless should have been emoting. We got the sense he was interested in her. I don’t think we got a sense of how he felt conflicted or restricted in a human world. I don’t think we got a good sense of how this was impacting his relationship with Hiccup. While obliviousness of hurt your friend feels is a thing, the lack of Toothless engaging with Hiccup’s feelings throughout the film makes it hard for us to get a sense of his complicated situation and underlying needs.
I also think it might have helped to show more dragon society stuff. To show Toothless needing to protect his kind. This would both augment his needs as an individual, and the whole species’ needs. He’s the king of dragons, but we don’t see him restricted in helping them, or even see him feeling much need to protect them when he’s with humans. He’s focused on one Light Fury, not on concerns of where his entire species will end up or what his species as a whole will need. If all domesticated dragons need wild freedom and Toothless is the protector over them, it could have been interesting to see him interacting on that front. I could take or leave that... but... more to what I thought would help: If Toothless is the leader of all dragons and needs to protect them, it would have been nice to see his characterization and plot arc handle more with what Grimmel is doing to dragons as a whole... not just interacting with the Light Fury and being concerned when he and she get captured. Why can’t we get Toothless trying to help his whole kind integrally in this plot?
So because it turns, unintentionally or no, into this concept that Hiccup’s friendship isn’t enough, and can be quickly snapped out of when another Fury is near, it doesn’t feel satisfying that the solution is “goodbye friendship forever.” The intention is to be a moment of Selfless Sacrificial Love on Hiccup’s part to give Toothless something he uncompromisingly needs. And I LOVE Selfless Sacrificial Love. To be willing to give everything, even your own happiness, for someone you love... is the ultimate gift of friendship. But what should have been Selfless Sacrificial Love in this moment to me felt like “friendship isn’t enough.”
It’s also hard to play these call to the wild aspects, given the rest of the franchise. We see Toothless in GOTNF not go to the island for dragon-raising instincts when he could have flown there free; instead, he spends several days fishing out Hiccup’s helmet from the ocean. We see Toothless manage to break free of a natural Bewilderbeast draconic hive mind because he’s so connected to Hiccup, and fight against a dragon that his species would otherwise accept as alpha. We see Toothless destroy a tail that would allow him to get the freedom he needed... because he’d rather be codependent with Hiccup. We see the friendship needs overpower some of Toothless’ other wild animal instincts. Beyond those instinct moments, the franchise so much plays into how deep Hiccup and Toothless’ love is for each other, that THW’s a pull to the wild has to be very convincing to feel like it’s actually a greater need than Toothless’ emotional needs being met through the friendship of a lifetime.
I’ve had several people say it’s an understandable if bittersweet “growing up story” because, once we’re adults, we don’t see our friends as much. It’s important to be able to “let go” and let everyone live our lives. But that’s to the detriment of our society, not its strengths. There’s a reason younger generations are so freaktastically lonely and emotionally struggling. We’re not getting the human interactions we need. Letting go of a friendship doesn’t have to be a bad thing if you *HAVE* to leave - but unless there’s a VERY VERY VERY compelling reason to leave a friendship - staying in touch with someone will always be a plus. Human interaction is happiness. It’s not an “adult” thing to be less attached. It’s a societal problem that deals with the fact we’re not putting people as important and integral in our lives as we should be.
Wanting to stay friends with someone isn’t selfish. It’s selfish when you’re wanting something so bad that it’s to their detriment and there’s no possible compromise. THW wants to say Hiccup holding on is futilely trying to cling to something that can’t be, unless to Toothless’ detriment. However, it doesn’t feel like there’s enough to actually leave this friendship of a lifetime. Sure, Hiccup and Toothless shall always love each other, but to physically separate? Is THW actually compelling enough in how it frames Toothless’ needs... to suggest these overpower everything his relationship to Hiccup has been?
There are other reasons I’m unconvinced, but I’ll stop here. In short, I feel like neither main reason in THW for the dragons to leave was presented strongly enough that dragons had to leave. THW didn’t do enough to make the human world feel hostile enough. THW didn’t do enough to make the draconic call to the wild feel incompatible enough with humanity.
Since there wasn’t enough weight or danger or pressing issues, Hiccup separating from Toothless didn’t feel like the “necessary” solution. It didn’t feel like he had to let Toothless go. We got what it was going for, but it didn’t actually show us what it needed to make the separation feel the best course of action.
The concepts aren’t bad - they’re even lots of the same concepts of the books! - but this is why I feel a little iffy about how it was handled. Not to say it was terrible, or that I hated it. I don’t. This isn’t meant to be an angry post, because I’m not angry, but a reflective analysis. This is why I think there could have been more done to make what the story was trying to do... feel plausible.
#httyd 3 criticism#httyd 3 spoilers#THW spoilers#httyd 3#long post#httyd3#THW#The Hidden World#Hiccup and Toothless#Hiccup#Toothless#Grimmel#analysis#my analysis#How to Fight a Dragon's Fury#How to Betray a Dragon's Hero#httyd books#httyd books spoilers#Cressida Cowell#Light Fury
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Can't remember how much ive already written about the friendship dynamics of my hc friendgoup (the heartthrobs of the archipelago - a name i made up as a joke but its growing on me) eret, dagur, and bayana
Ive already posted about eret inciting dagur to be a goblin and bayana being the exasperated (yet loving) voice of reason
Im also realizing some of their attributes that would contribute to interesting dynamics in their friendship.
Dagur and eret - both have histories of antagonistic relationships with dragons, not just fighting them in self defense like the people of berk used to but actively hunting them. This probably weighs heavily on them, and i think it would be nice for them to confide in each other about their feelings of guilt
Also neither eret nor bayana knew dagur before his redemption arc and its freeing for him to have friends that he can start fresh with because they were never his enemies
Eret and bayana - both know what its like to be an outsider in the archipelago. I think people are mostly friendly but some still give them a hard time. this happens to eret in one of the comics and im sure its the same for bayana, who brought an entire tribe with him from far outisde the archipelago. Theres probably a lot of tension going on there and i can see the two of them relying on each other for support. Also in my httyd rewrite bayana will be married to erets sister yuka (oc).
Bayana and dagur - tbh i dont see these two being quite as close as they both are with eret. Theyre still very good friends but i see eret as the glue of the friendship. Eret has a friendly rivalry with dagur that can sometimes turn into stupid disagreements. meanwhile if/when bayana and dagur disagree is *serious* and often involves bayana being very critical and dagur reacting in anger and defensiveness. Things also get super awkward when Bayanas oldest daughter/erets neice nia and dagurs son rainier fight (my ocs - they hate each other) But i do think they bond over their shared sense of responsibility as chiefs and fathers of strong willed children (rainier being angsty and distant and nia having boundless energy). Bayana can come off as being critical but its usually out of concern for dagurs wellbeing because he has some self destructive tendences.
In conclusion they are my special guys and i love them
#Httyd#How to train your dragon#Rtte#Race to the edge#Eret#Eret son of eret#Dagur#Dagur the deranged#Bayana#Bayana httyd#httyd headcanons#httyd headcanon#The heartthrobs of the archipelago#Thw rewrite#Httyd 3 rewrite
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in my head, Dagur, Eret, and Bayana are best buds
they're a trio that go around flexing their muscles and trying to one-up each other in combat ...but they also deeply care for each other. the platonic love is strong.
Somtimes Eret will goad Dagur into doing something stupid and/or allow himself to be goaded on because no way in Helheim will he let Dagur beat him at something. If he does, Eret is a graceful loser but Dagur is not. Dagur's a sore loser and Eret and Bayana have to cheer him up when he loses at something.
Bayana's usually the voice of reason but he can be cajoled into stupidity once in a while. Most of the time though he watches with disbelief like...why are my friends such idiots. And then he lovingly patches them up with they get scrapes and bruises from their stupidity.
#httyd headcanon#httyd headcanons#httyd dragonvine#dragonvine#httyd#how to train your dragon#rtte#race to the edge#dagur#dagur the deranged#eret#eret son of eret#bayana httyd#httyd bayana
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Another OC for my httyd 3 rewrite
Nia of the Ayida
She's the oldest daughter of Bayana (from the Dragonvine comic) and next in line to lead her tribe, who I've named The Ayida.
She's very energetic and excitable, a capable fighter with a spear and net. She can be a little socially oblivious sometimes but is generally very sweet. All around just super pumped to be here.
She and Zephyr get along really well. She calls her "little warrior". She absolutely loves Nuffink as well (and who wouldn't?). She's a very loving and playful older sister so when she's around Hiccup's kids and the Ingerman triplets, everyone has a great time.
She rides a Silkpanner whose name I'm still deciding....Silverweb probably. Silverweb is pretty similar to his rider and acts very much like an excited puppy. He likes to nestle close to people and play with them...which people who aren't accustomed to Silkspanners generally find super unsettling.
Nia does NOT get along with Dagur and Mala's son Rainier at all. They've only met once or twice but she finds him to be too serious, judgemental, and patronizing, meanwhile he thinks that she's childish and irresponsible.
Despite the cool and collected exterior he tries to project, Rainier is absolutely terrified of Silverweb (which is honestly valid, I would be too) and he has to keep himself from shrieking any time he gets too close (which Nia finds hilarious).
It's kinda awkard because the younger kids on Berk love when they come to visit, but things get tense when they visit at the same time, because then they have to pick sides. And they usually pick Nia's because Rainier doesn't like younger kids very much, meanwhile Nia is like everyone's big sister.
It's also awkward for the parents because Bayana and Dagur are quite good friends so they end up awkwardly apologizing to each other when their kids fight.
I'm soooo excited to write their rivalry.
#Httyd#How to train your dragon#Httyd oc#Httyd fanart#Thw rewrite#Httyd fan art#my art#nia of the ayida
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very excited for my httyd 3 rewrite for a variety of reasons - one of them being that im adding more women/girl OCs and I'll be able to explore more of the platonic and familial relationships between them
im going to have characters like
Freda Jorgenson, Spitelout's mom and Stoick's little sister - not a major character but I do want to show a bit of her relationship with Valka (close friends but with a strained relationship because of how Valka left). Freda's a goddamn angel and probably had to break up a lot of fights between her brother and her husband.
Ingrid and Inga Ingerman - The oldest and youngest of Ruffnut and Fishlegs' triplets. I really wanted there to be girly dragon riders - like character I would have absolutely loved and identified with as a little kid in my everything-pink-and-purple phase - they're very different from Zephyr but they're all close friends and little goblins together.
Nia - Bayana's daughter and Eret's neice (possibly?). The most golden retriever a human can get. She's like an older cousin to Zephyr and the other kids on Berk. Zephyr in particular looks up to her and wants to be just like her.
Yuka, Daughter of Uki (literally just came up with this character so details are hazy) - for now, she''ll only be mentioned but I'm planning to have her as Bayana's wife/Nia's mom and Eret's older sister. Idk if I'll get to write about her a lot but I hope there's room for some of how she's an influence in Nia's life.
#httyd#how to train your dragon#httyd ocs#httyd headcanon#httyd headcanons#httyd oc#thw rewrite#httyd 3 rewrite#httyd fanfic#httyd fanfiction
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