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official translation guide for the excessan language, nimish ! i dont think it was there when the last update was first posted so some might have missed it.
also! tylotung's species gets a name; voracians! the text reads "voracian excessan unification", and since thats tylo on the left im guessing on the right is a past ruler of the excessans (or theyre both just representations of the 2 species? idk). i have a theory about this "unification" thing but i think im gonna save that for another time, the part of it that most effects this post is that it looks like the voracian language was incorporated into nimish as capital letters
under the cut im gonna post translations of past pages!
2775 - Rise and shine Excessa!
2797 - TITANPORT EXCESSA
2800 & 2803 - IRIS FARMS FACILITY
*EDITED* 2806 - [mrlammb] [all or nothing] [BELBEEPS] [d**dle] (doodlesprout on twitch)
2807-2808 - CO OP
2809 - REPAIRS GOODS PAR?? (parts?) TECH SE??
2817 - [THIS END UP] [SCRAP]
i started trying 2820 and 2822 but i got frustrated; i will say tho the keyboard, for the most part, has sets of letters rather than individuals, which i think is really interesting
2826 - [Logging On] [Greetings from Excessa // We're taking your stuff! Thanks!]
2827 - STAND BY...
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TITAN Theory
I have a little theory that’s been swimming around my mind for the past few years, and I just remembered it now that I’ve been re-reading Ava’s Demon for the millionth time. I haven’t been able to get onto Michelle’s streams, and I dunno if anyone else has had this thought, but hear me out-
We don’t know much about TITAN; just that he’s some all-powerful entity with almost total control over the cosmos (a God in his own right, if you will). We’ve come to learn through Odin about the Gods and Goddesses that appear across the cosmos, fighting in the names of their creators. It’s clearly shown in the below panel that Wrathia, Pedri, Nevy and Tuls are considered to be Gods or Goddesses.
So where does TITAN fit in all of this? If he’s so powerful, then it could be presumed he was a God all along, born from the violence of the four creators. But way back in the beginning, when Wrathia is explaining her story to Ava, we learn of TITAN taking her galaxies by force and holding them hostage overnight, which is unusual in itself.
The part that sticks out to me is that Wrathia refers to TITAN as a ‘creature’, referring to him as ‘it’; therefore, it can be inferred that Wrathia had no idea who TITAN was, and was alarmed at the speed in which he had infiltrated and taken over the galaxies she has reign over. Just think about it, that’s galaxies, not just planets, that TITAN had taken from her. That requires a lot of power and strength, regardless of an army (though that is a large factor). So where did all this power come from?
We are aware that TITAN is very very good at manipulating his audience, utilising tactics of fear-mongering and propaganda (alongside brainwashing and indoctrination into his ‘religion’) in order to gain a loyal following from members across the cosmos. That can put some explanation into how he had such a massive army of Followers to back him up in this. And we haven’t even gotten into how the Silent Scavengers (who have clearly been around for a while) assist with keeping this social and political power in TITAN’s hands.
I have a theory, however, about how TITAN came to be, and why he’s so powerful. And it’s regarding something mentioned by Wrathia...
A failure of a pact results in souls and bodies merging into one. Of course, Wrathia makes it sound like it’s this horrible ending, as I’m sure it is in her mind; if they fail, then Wrathia will never be able to rule over the cosmos or indulge in her vanity ever again. But we haven’t seen an example of a failed pact just yet. I know one of the most common thoughts was that Maggie was going to result in a failed pact, and we’d see whatever she turns into later in the story. But I believe we already have seen a failed pact.
This is what is shown to us when Wrathia explains to Ava that her half of the pact is complete; the yellow side, Ava’s half of the pact, is solid and shining bright, emphasising that her end of the deal has been met (despite her protests). The cracked side is Wrathia’s half, not yet fulfilled since TITAN has yet to be decimated from existence. So, from here we can infer that a failed pact would have two halves of a broken heart, right?
Looking closely at the page on the righthand side, that looks awfully like TITAN, doesn’t it? And the heart above his body has two cracked halves, as if it were a failed pact. What if TITAN himself is a creature resulted of a failed pact? It would explain his sudden appearance, his vast amounts of power, and the lack of knowledge surrounding his existence except to the Followers, who are deeply integrated in his ‘teachings’. What if failing a pact isn’t as terrible as Wrathia makes it out to be?
I know it can also be inferred that it is Ava’s key (I mean, it really does look like it so I might be reaching with this theory here) and the page is imagining the death of TITAN at the hands of Ava/Wrathia.
Listen I could be totally off the mark here, but I feel like it would be pretty cool if TITAN actually was the result of a failed pact and is actually a monster born from the failure to meet both ends of the deal made between two creatures.
What do you guys think?
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So it's getting shorter, huh?
Maybe, the pencil symbolizes the length of the story, and maybe, it symbolizes Ava as the one who's leaving traces in other's hosts lives, writing her own story.
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Could these two be possibly related?? The hair and shade are the same colour (except for the style) and their eyes and skin colour are also the same. Could they be related or probably could be a random colour of choice
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Pardon my mini theory time, I am very interested in others thoughts on this
I was re-reading Ava's demon (check it out if you haven't) and came across these
I never noticed this till now, but notice the makeup Wrathia is wearing in each panel shes in
Pink and blue, the colors of Nevy
None/if any, muted, close to natural
Purple, the color of Pedri
Now, idea here
In every panel, it related to her relationship at the time
The pink and blue (Nevy's horns and skin) are also paired with a blue colored fabric top(similar, Nevy wears a lot of blue and Pedri does purples/pinks in the first image, but also note, he has on red in his hair, which might be a hair tie (so possibly it means he has feelings for Wrathia at the same time))
There are also pink nails
The second one, she takes on the colors of the being beside her (possibly an ex lover or simply just a toy(?) Servant(?)
(also note in this, Pedri is not wearing pink, but only purple tones, maybe indicating he no longer had feelings towards Nevy)
In the final image, she has purple makeup and ribbon, maybe indicating some what if a wall(?) with her feelings towards Pedri (Pedri is also wearing red in this image, more items with red than the pink with Nevy)
This is paired with how different it is towards Nevy, who got nails, makeup, and clothes to match her, but Pedri only got a ribbon and makeup
I'd also like to note, that in the same chapter, we see Wrathia in purple clothes and painting her nails purple
Which might mean all feelings for Nevy are gone, and replaced with only Pedri (which one thinks is obvious because she married and had a kid with him, tho it's theorized she gave Nevy the egg to hide)
Also in these, Wrathia starts in pink and red
We see Nevy in red
But eventually the two revert to their original colors, red and blue separate (I say blue, because Gil is blue, everything in Nevy's surroundings is blue when with gil or her realm, she wears a lot of blue rather than pink)
Both colors together make purple
Conclusion? None really, I just wanted to point this out because it was interesting to see with colors and the possibility they relate to the characters relationships
(this also happens with normal couples(?) who take on traits of one another, including wearing a favorite color of one another)
Then again this might have just been color choices, but either way it was fun to find
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are we gonna address the recent chapter's drawings. bc i think we should address the recent chapter's drawings. like, are these placeholders? i dont think so but. HELLO?
chapter 29 has the palace and all the colors being filtered through it. chapter 30 has rueby, and chapter 31 seems to have emris perhaps? and ava
something about how chapter 29 is about erios and the prismates, the privileged and the people in power with this colorful and bright thumbnail, but chapter 30 and 31 tackle those who are less fortunate and straight up suffering in poverty in this black and grey style
something about that is very reminiscent of this
something about how erios and excessans are related to gluttony, to eat and leave nothing behind. to have tylotung, the embodiment of gluttony itself, and their dead body buried under the new civilization. something about chapter 30 being "the bright side of the moon", followed by the dark side of the moon. these monochrome and minimalistic thumbnails
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What Is Up With Pedri's Horns? (Mini Theory)
We've only seen three Vengess so far in the series, but this panel is enough to bring up some big questions: Why do Pedri's horns go down?
Here we see Wrathia's horns go down (we also see it in Ava), while her ex-husband's go upwards. Initially, because my theory friend and I have been discussing Nevy's involvement with the two of them, my head immediately wanted to ask if it was something Nevy might've caused. However, Ava's horns go down as well, which, unless Wrathia somehow pushed her physical trama onto Ava's new form, makes me lean towards it being something that people are just born with.
Which oviously immediately made me think, is Pedri trans?
But I think it could be more symbolic than that; Remember how I discussed Wrathia's power grab back in her and Nevy's story dissection. She was born low, significantly less powerful/important than she is now. Maybe her betrayal to Nevy was that she left her to marry a high-born, hence why the unnamed husband's horns go upwards?
Additionally, as my friend pointed out, Pedri appears to have been a shepherd at one point in his life before marrying Wrathia. He wasn't born in power either; He was a working-class until he, for one reason or another, caught Wrathia's attention and became her husband.
So yea, I think the horns represent the hierarchy within Vengess society.
Or he's trans. 🏳️⚧️🎉
#pedri nanezgani#avas demon#theory#mini theory#webcomic#theorist#wrathia bellarmina#nevy nervine#trans
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My opinion about the previous update last week.
Spoilers but not really for previous avas demon update:
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I love the fact that the party announcement was gonna play during this whole start of the conversation they were gonna have.
They both apparently wake up with literally two airhorns I don’t blame them. Maggie definitely look like that. She had an irritated dream while we all know what Gil was probably dreaming about~~~~~~
Not gonna lie I had to ask my twin sister to read this update for me because I was genuinely worried that this whole conversation was going to go haywire or probably go worse in case of everyone was going to get in disagreement, but I’m glad that Ava also wanted to apologize and admit that she did definitely say some hurtful things to Gil when her only plan was to try to recruit him and get him to trust her.

I’m glad that Maggie doesn’t seem to be butting in and it’s just allowing Gil and Ava to have a time to talk. But not gonna lie I really did like Maggie having her hair down. It just made her look very pretty, and very sort of calm because with her hair up it just kinda look like she was always ready for something while her having her hair down just kind of seems like she’s more relaxed. I don’t know how to explain it. it’s like as a girl myself I always put my hair up whenever I need to do something while I only allow my hair down whenever I know I’m going to relax or I’m just going to chill so I guess it’s kinda like that.

Ava was definitely on a roll here. She seemed as if she wanted Gil to trust her that she would believe him if he were to admit that he has Nevi as a host same way that Ava has Wrathia as her pacted demon.
I also enjoyed that Gil does seem to be listening to her, but doesn’t exactly want to put his full attention towards her probably meaning that he is still having second thoughts on whether or not to fully forgive her or to fully believe her since he’s right on one thing, they are still very different.
Ava honey no it was definitely not fate. I’m sorry, but I feel so bad that these four were stuck with having to be the host of four powerful demons that no matter what affected their life to the point where affected the people around them and affected the way of their own thinking like they couldn’t really spend their childhood doing what they want because there was always something going on.
Example:
Wrathia practically controlled Ava’s life to the point where she made her be abandoned by everyone around her.
Even though we don’t know too much, I want Pedri to Odin, all we can guess is that that similar to Wrathia, Pedri didn’t really controlled Odin, but he did become somebody that Odin was terrified of exact same way that Wrathia terrified Ava.
From what we can guess with Nevi, even though she didn’t hurt Gill in anyway, she did became the reason that when Gil tried to talk about her, or tried to understand her existence, people started considering him a weirdo because he was either seen talking to himself or doing something when he was alone.
And we don’t know too much about Maggie and Tuls, but I can’t imagine on how Maggie had to be careful with being packed with Tuls especially with the leaves, coming out of her hair and having to use his powers to get someone to like her only for that to fail and weaken him a bit.
So no matter what it pained me when Ava started talking about how it was fate that brought them together when in my opinion, they were just the unlucky group that were chosen to be hosts with a bunch of demons who wanted to escape a failed victory of some sort. 
#praise this art❤️#avas demon#ava’s demon#ava's demon#ava ire#art#artists on tumblr#maggie lacivi#gil marverde#avas demon spoilers#avas demon update#avas demon theories
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is this anything
#Ava’s demon#avas demon#Ava’s demon update spoilers#Ava’s demon spoilers#making avas demon theories is a lot like being a swiftie#in that you look a little like that raving conspiracy board gif whenever you talk
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Wrathia and Pedri's child
I have no evidence to back this up, other than I think it's a cool idea/plot twist.
What if Wrathia and Pedri's child already hatched, grew up and was raised by TITAN? Or at least was raised in a TITAN-centered society, and became a Follower?
Even crazier thought: What if Strategos Six is their child?
We don't know Strategos' age or if they were once a Citizen-Turned-Follower, but it creates an interesting thought. It's possible the transformation process made them so unrecognizable that it'd be impossible to guess they were Wrathia and Pedri's child grown up.
Of course, the capsule thing could've been a completely new invention and all Followers were artificially produced before it was made, but if not, then...
This would make a pretty interesting reveal.
#it could also explain why Strategos is given so much story significance#despite only impacting the story when Ava transformed#and it would make the conflict between Ava and Strategos really cool#you know what else#even if this was true#I wouldn't want Strategos to be redeemed#I think they're way too brainwashed to even consider joining a side other than TITAN's#they were likely raised by him the moment they hatched#and TITAN could easily manipulate Strategos by saying their parents simply abandoned them#would make for a very tragic character#ava's demon#webcomic#theory#strategos six#wrathia bellarmina#pedri nanezgani
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GIRL WAIT the character who is probably veevra bc erios is next to her in the plan looks like a vengess and what if. what if shes how titan was able to take "every one of [their] galaxies in a single night”? she used her technological know-how to build weapons that could take over the empire, or maybe gave them insider info/a way to get thru any defenses and avoid alerting wrathia and pedri before they were ready. or like WAY less crazy bc i know how insane that sounds she joined titan to save herself (because likely after wrathia drank the potion pedri kept fighting, as he would be to proud to go out such a cowardly way, and titan at least partially wouldve followed thru w the threat to destroy/imprison all the planets- also to support this is her name, veevra, is like vivra, which means “to live”.)
to support this whole thing is also that 1 her color is likely orange, which is a color heavily tied to the vengess, and 2, theres a lot of crescent symbolism specifically around early comic wrathia. sometimes there are 4 or 5 pointed star shapes, but its mostly crescents and dots.
maybe im reaching a little with the wrathia thing but whats a theory without a lil bullshitting
#ava's demon#ad theory#ava's demon theory#.txt#im rereading and doing it v carefully so u will probably see a couple more theory posts#i have one in my drafts rn about wrathias egg and possible connection w aedinfell's sim but ngl i dont believe in it fully#sun*#the one abt ava reigniting it is way more likely but i DO think theres still a connection there even jus slightly
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Thinking about Odin and Magpie...
On some brainrot stuff again so I’m gonna ramble about the Arrow siblings.
A long while ago I saved a translation of the nordic runes in panel 1547, seen below;
I can’t recall who did the translation (whether it was from here or Reddit, so if someone knows I’ll add credits to them!) but it reads:
“I woke up this morning and realised that I could not remember the sound of her voice. Her laugh echoes in my head when I try hard enough to imagine it. But it's nothing more than an empty weightless reflection of reality teetering on the cusp of my memory and it only brings me pain to try and remember it. But my fear of forgetting her is much more powerful and so I must remember and end up at the same question of everybody in the universe. What did we do to deserve this. Why me?"
This, written in Odin’s notebook presumably, was shown directly after Moribund Malediction. There is a level of intense melancholy associated with this writing, exploring a sense of longing to remember those who are no longer with us. If Odin did write this, then there are two characters that this reflection piece could be referring to; either Magpie or Odin’s mother. I’m more inclined to believe it’s Odin’s mother in this sense, as it’s been a longer period of time since she’s been around versus Magpie’s disappearance about 2 and a half years prior to the main story.
Tragically, Odin is forgetting his mother.
It doesn’t help that Pedri (later in the story when Odin is unveiling his “tragic backstoryTM”) was shown to be tormenting Odin through the visage of his mother. Being shown so many illusions, and perhaps turning to the herbs he smokes as a way of deterring Pedri, it would make sense if Odin has begun to forget what his mother was actually like when he was younger. It seems like the only good memory or dream he has of her is from when he was born around Gildhaust and she was showing him around.
It would be really sad if Odin was forgetting Magpie too, but from the clearer shots of her in his memories I do doubt it.
Speaking of Magpie, I went back to check out some panels I knew existed (namely panels 1275-1277, which appear just after Ava is trapped in the Gate to Paradise machine.
Looking back on these...it has to be Magpie! The bow, the blue...it just makes sense!
The first image shows Magpie looking rather happy, holding the hand of a featureless figure. This is likely Magpie with her ‘inbisible friend’, as she told Odin when they were younger. The inclusion of a happy sun (I think it is one on the righthand side?) is interesting, given that Aedinfell hasn’t been with a proper sun for a long time.
The second image shows Magpie looking much more upset and crying, standing alongside two other girls of similar (if not exact) stature. This must be her sisters; Crow and Raven. As the youngest of the triplets, she often was given a lot of grief (in Odin’s words), so this drawing seems to exemplify that! It’s possible she was bullied by her sisters, or teased for being the youngest.
The third image is a bit more confusing in my opinion. There’s 6 vertical lines followed by a faceless girl. It doesn’t appear to be Magpie specifically, since the bow is missing, but it could always be her regardless. My first thought (which could be wrong) was that the lines plus the girl equal to seven, like the seven deadly sins that the Hosts are meant to portray. Ava = Wrath, Odin = Pride, Gil = Envy, Maggie = Lust, Erios = Greed(?) and then three others that have yet to be revealed. What if this signifies that Magpie is the last Host we’ll meet pertaining to these sins? Honestly she’s probably not, but it’d be pretty cool.
If anyone has thoughts on that last image I’d love to hear them.
Anyway, I guess the point of these rambles is that I think the Arrow siblings need a big hug and lots of blankets because holy shit this family is traumatised af, and definitely need the additional care and love that they missed out on getting when they were kids.
#ava's demon#avasdemon#odin arrow#magpie arrow#textpost#long post#kat's ramblings#ava's demon theory
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Old Michelle's Q&A, pt.2
you can see the 1st part here but it's not necessary
Oh yeah
This panel. This legend.
I know Gil/Odin is a big thing, and there's lot's of content for the fans of this pair
But! Hear Me out.
Odin is not the only male sibling from Arrow family with purple square as his symbol
I'm pretty sure I am the one who is delulu here.
Those cerulean jemstones are just warning us about Olai's ties with the TITAN, right?
right?
Right?
Here's even better theory by @space-finally
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Wrathia's Plan, the book foreshadowing the goals of each demon
This theory is about how each page of the specific demon actually foreshadows what they desire from each of their pact
First we see wrathia's page
The page next to her shows titan being stabbed or destroyed by what appears to be her magic, we know Wrathia's goal in the pact is to kill titan, and the page shows that.
We also know Tuls goal is to desire Ranancule, and Tylo's goal is to see her children being freed . And each of their pages show it:
From these images, the pages is potentially telling us what each of the demons desire. This could also potentially mean Renancule might also desire to meet again with Tuls ^^
So lets us see the rest of the pages of the demons that we know of, that could potentially be their goals in each pact:
In Nevy's case, first her desire was to recover her memory and be aware of what she is but since she has recovered a considerable amount of her memory. From the page she could potentially desire of what appears to be her and her people reuniting, or somewhat another demon that is part of kingdom.
For Pedri, he seems to desire of what looks like to be the egg that him and Wrathia hid away from titan. We see some sort of chains signifying the egg is locked away in some sort of place. Or it could be some jail like place with a circular door, that he desires to go into.
Now lets us look into the other demons that could potentially be their pages in the book based on their desire:
Alexa and her demon's goal is to find "someone" considering her demon has this "cloud" like theme, I speculate this page could be hers not only does it have those clouds theres also another demon next to her that could potentially be the demon she is desiring to find.
Next we have Aurora's demon which Aurora stated that "I was trying to find someone for him" and the page shows another demon that could potentially be what Aurora"s demon is trying to find. Now each of these speculations is just based on their appearances and desires there are actually others pages in the book about other demons desiring to find their partners too. But i picked these among all of them becuase they look the most accurate.
Last we have Tratar's demon:
I cant post the other pictures(due to the 10 images limit but ill post the full ver in my account again) but in terms of appearance that tratar"s demon only having one eye and the hairstyle. This could potentially be his demon desiring of what it seems to be a city or land that the demon is from.
Thats it for this theory, if this is legit then we can speculate the desires of the future demons we would see soon. Hope you enjoyed reading!
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Beautiful WIP art from the streams!
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Ahem, more Ava's Demon cause brain rot theories/information
I supported the Kickstarter, and pointed out by another user (@fanlovedlt) Wrathia gets covered in snakes (though in the same chapter she speaks through a snake as well)
This is during Ava's dream and mind meeting after committing her act of wrath (more on why that means something later)
Now, Wrathia is covered in snakes
Snakes have a meaning (as most animals do)
With a shedding of their skin through sloughing, they are symbols of rebirth, transformation, immortality, and healing, but also are known as a creative life force and fertility on their own.
Now, Wrathia here, very Satan-esqu
Titan is even god coded
Chapter fifteen (called the first sin)
The following chapters (sixteen and twenty) are called "Hellfire" and "Paradise lost"
(Fun fact! Paradise lost is an epic poem written about the fall of mankind by John Milton featuring a very different version of Satan compared to how he was depicted at the time in old art and literature as well as making god the antagonist)
Now, why might this be important to what I have to say?
Snakes in the daytime mean good things, but in dreams, it's very different
Snakes in dreams typically represent a person in the dreamer's life who exhibits low, dirty, toxic, or poisonous behavior.
But they can also mean health or healing!
It can mean a sense of healing, personal transformation, or that you are moving forward.
But it also deals with the context of Ava and Wrathia in these scene's
Now, Wrathia speaks through a snake
If you know the story of Adam and Eve (note, Adam and Eve were both naked before eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge, the snake is in a tree and both Wrathia and Ava appear "naked")
Ava even calls Wrathia a "snake"
Usually a term to call someone false, fake, etc.
(very fitting for Wrathia's character)
Now, Wrathia doesn't have typical Satan horns
But they are known as demon horns (goat/sheep like, especially with the eyes)
Wrathia is regal, a demigod (as explained by Odin's peoples thoughts on how the universe happened, again, a very bible/god related story)
(note, there are seven sins, and it took six (the seventh to rest) days to make the world, there are also seven sins and seven virtues)
Satan was "regal" and "royal" as he was depicted now and (sorta) then
Where does this all lead?
Ava commits an act of wrath (term used in lieu of acts of many different religions concept of gods acting against mortals for slights or divine retribution, take the story of Niobe from Greek myth, where she says she's better than Leto so Artemis and Apollo slay her children in an act of wrath against her)
Ava basically makes hell (on titans planet) for people, and herself (note, she thought it was a dream, many people who commit or have been committed against think it's a dream/wish it was a dream)
Where I'm going with this is, It's very bible coded (as well as Alice in wonderland with the rabbit hole Ava basically sent herself down)
It both shows Ava's growth, Wrathia's horrid personality
Wrathia and Ava talk about a high, which often is said how hubris feels (or an act of defiance or fight/flight response when you pick to fight)
(also little tidbit, snake Wrathia is in a tree, which looks like a fig tree, fig trees are symbols of wisdom and success in abundance, but Jesus also cursed a fig tree in the bible, as a warning for people not to be hypocritical. Basically "Jesus Christ warning Christians that they must bear fruits after their conversion worthy of repentance or risk being condemned to Hell." Is how it's interpreted to many churches, but it also has several different meanings in the bible (like hunger for true worship, as it bore no fruit)
(also, the fruit of knowledge was never described, many simply assume it's an apple from paintings and modern media, but, it's very possible it could be any fruit, like a fig)
(we see here the tree is snapped, as in, it's been cursed/destroyed, again, the bible says Jesus cursed the tree)
(I also need to say, Fig trees can represent happiness in dreams)
#avasdemon#ava's demon#avas demon#ava ire#wrathia bellarmina#snakes#satan#god#bible coded#i have religious truama?#wrathia is satan?#theory
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