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themastermarkus · 7 months

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Why Erwin Smith in Season 3 and the Choice in Midnight Sun Doesn't Work.

In Season 3 (excuse me for using “seasons” to mark out the arcs, as I do mean the equivalent time in the manga, it’s just simpler since this problem is spread out between all the arcs in that season), Isayama sets up Erwin’s intense guilt over sending soldiers to their deaths for his goal of wanting to learn the truth of humanity and the titans—dspite it making no sense for him to feel like his goal is selfish, as finding out the origin of the titans is already established to be part of the goal of the Survey Corps. It’s fine for Erwin to feel guilty for making calls that lead to peoples’ deaths, but Isayama seems to write Erwin as though he is objectively in the moral wrong despite the fact that using people to fulfill his personal goal is indistinguishable from if he just took over the Survey Corps and kept doing what they already did. I suppose it might be implied that he encouraged more research about the titans which… is not a bad thing when they fight the titans. Otherwise in the rebellion arc he has Survey Corps soldiers dying for him in fights against the government, but I never got the impression that he was forcing anyone into it under orders.

It feels very out of character for Levi not to choose to save Erwin. Kenny’s line about “everyone being a slave to something” that’s referenced in the moment of that decision doesn’t work because Erwin has not been shown to have a harmful, slavish obsession, just a personal goal that he throws himself into more recently since the opportunity to achieve it has presented itself (Not to mention that Erwin is like… metres away from his goal when this choice is being made, after which point he would no longer “be a slave to it”). Not giving the serum to Erwin does not feel like a choice that Levi, the character, would make given how close he and Erwin are implied to be. Instead, it feels like Levi is making the choice as if he only knows as much about Erwin and Armin as the audience does and is making a choice that could reasonably go either way because WE know both characters roughly as much, or Armin even better than Erwin, really. The problem is that this doesn’t realistically consider Levi’s experiences with each character, which is the choice between a man he’s known for years who changed his life dramatically, who he follows loyally and holds a lot of respect and affection for, and a kid that he’s come to care for in the general way that Levi cares for all the cadets, but he’s only known for like… a year max. It feels like choosing to save Armin is forced upon Levi because Isayama wanted Erwin to die and Armin to live and get the Colossal Titan because he came up with those story beats and was going to shove his way into them somehow.

On that note: Armin is just… I would say objectively the wrong choice. Armin is a character who is shown to be clever and driven (and everyone talks about how smart he is), he’s good at deduction but he’s not a tactician or a leader. He is brought back because Isayama wanted to have him, Mikasa, and Eren once again be crucial to the story at the end of it, not because it makes sense for the Survey Corps to sacrifice their COMMANDER for a cadet who has shown to be worth something, but clearly isn’t a replacement for a man who seems to be the best leader they’ve ever had. I think the choice of Armin could be more valid if Erwin was mentoring him (though still a stretch considering there’s nothing wrong with Erwin [at least nothing worth the mercy killing that Isayama seems to be portraying not using the serum on him as] and he’s only like 35 or something), but he’s not. Armin is only really, functionally important to the Survey Corps because he is close to Eren. Also, while this is probably my least-strong argument against picking Armin, but I feel like if Isayama wanted him to be convincingly still alive at that point, he probably should’ve had Armin a bit further away from Bertholdt’s explosion. That boy isn’t just externally burnt, he should have died like… immediately.

And don’t get me wrong, I don’t even dislike Armin, nor do I think that Levi wouldn’t feel a bit of guilt for not saving him, I just hate bad writing that seems to rely so heavily on plot convenience, and I think that this point of the story is where it was really affirmed that things were going to go downhill pretty consistently (barring most of Reiner’s part at the beginning of the Marley arc, but that’s another subject).

P.S. I'm currently reading the manga for this part after having only watched the anime, so I might have more to say later, though I doubt that my opinions on these writing choices will change considering that I don't think the anime cut out SO MUCH that these choices will instead make sense.

#aot critical #attack on titan #aot season 3 spoiler #erwin smith #levi ackerman #spoilers #shingeki no kyojin

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starlight-bread-blog · 6 months

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Hey look!

The Attack on Titan characters are moving on after the Rumbling and living a happy life!

Wonder what Mikasa's doing...

Ah- wait- didn't she just-

Yeah, yeah, she did. Right. So she'll probably be seen happy later-

Oh. Okay. Got it.

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haedraulics · 5 months

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I know you didn’t really like the “violence is inevitable” thing in AOT but , isn’t it true tho? The world unfortunately really is like that, no matter how many times we go back in history, look at the current world situation, I think it was pretty realistic from Isayama to depict the world of aot like that, it’s disappointing because of how much it comes close to reality imo

What I do agree with is how Eren is forgiven, especially in the fandom, like 💀💀

But I think the destruction in Paradis happened exactly because of that, because the world never forgave Eren and the Jaegerists for the genocide

Also, no hate, I just wanted to share my own view lol

helloo sorry for taking so long to reply to this, i'm ridiculously slow with my inbox 💀

i have two things to say about this, the first is that i'm skeptical that isayama genuinely wanted to tell a story about the inevitability of violence, and the second is that a theme in fiction reflecting some aspects of reality doesn't then make it interesting or well-written.

i raise the first point because of characters like kenny and gabi, who undergo major development because their dependence on violence is challenged by a show of compassion from another character (in kenny's case, from uri; in gabi's case, from the braun family). to me these characters indicate that the author wants to convey optimism about the power of human relations, regardless of how extreme or cruel the circumstances are. rather than, 'violence is inevitable', these stories convey that, 'violence is not more powerful than compassion'.

the way the epilogue goes, it renders these previous themes nigh meaningless. of course, states don't follow the same emotional logic as interpersonal relationships, but then it makes me question: what was the point of the additional pages? why did armin's final pages profess his conviction in the efficacy of communication and ambassadorship?

why, instead, wasn't his last page him getting shot and killed after stepping off the boat? if the intention was to convey 'the inevitable tragedy of violence'.

the reason why is because i don't think that was actually the message isayama wanted to tell, but rather, it was damage control for an ending that awkwardly failed to convey consequences for eren's actions. eren kills 80% of humanity, but all the main character's parents survive, and so do they. eren kills 80% of humanity, but his friends tearfully express their gratitude for his good intentions, and presumably live out long and peaceful lives.

in an ending with plot contrivances this inane, an author might want to bring some 'realism' back into his story. therefore, the civilizational collapse of paradis is not an earnest contribution to the messages of aot, but just tacked-on course correction.

in aot it's not 'violence is inevitable', it's 'violence is inevitable for you filthy side characters'. which is really sad, because ramzi was the protagonist of his own story, too.

additionally, i want expand on why a theme being 'realistic' doesn't actually make it interesting. 'violence is inevitable' is like saying 'racism is inevitable'. sure, a cursory glance at global history can prove that people have been ravaged by ethnic and national prejudice, that it's ongoing today, and it will probably persist twenty years from now. but is it inevitable? what utility does that statement have, if not to resign ourselves to making less meaningful attempts at improvement?

a story does not reveal anything truthful about the human condition by neglecting to mention our capacity for forgiveness. at times, aot is very capable at telling such a story that balances both cruelty and compassion, but for some reason is intensely clumsy at scaling up these themes to the level of states and state conflict (marley, for example, is a horribly developed setting). therefore i often feel that rather than the epilogue telling a pessimistic story about humanity, it tells a pessimistic story about statehood. but maybe that's a topic for another post hehe

thanks anon for the interesting ask!

#aot #attack on titan #aot critical #minh asks #one day i will get into how aot is neither leftist or fascist but a third worse thing #neo-liberal

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emma-o-yt · 30 days

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Do Erehisus and Eremikas even like Historia and Mikasa

Reformatted from reddit.

I think that Eremika (Eren × Mikasa) is an okay ship. I appreciate what Isayama was trying to do but the execution was less than pleasurable.

The whole point is that despite being in love with each other, Eren and Mikasa cannot be together. Their goals, their characters simply contradict.

Eren is focused on moving forward, he can't appreciate what was beside him (Mikasa). He can't even think that Mikasa would ever leave him until 139. Settling down, a domestic homelife is unappealing.

Mikasa is controlled by fear, after losing her family twice (first by the kidnappers then the fall of Shiganshina) which is what causes her obsession with Eren. Despite her strength, all she wants is a quiet life. Her arc is about overcoming fear, she kills Eren but keeps him alive with her memories. She gives birth to new life with Jean, starting a new eternal family.

But fuck that shit!

The slutshaming of Mikasa

Mikasa has been shamed by die hard Eremika shippers for "spreading her legs" and daring to find a new man after Eren. All those themes, character arcs, non of it matters to these misogynists.

Some of them have even gone on to lie and say that Mikasa is wearing a purity ring and not a wedding ring, because a woman is sinful if she's not a virgin.

The denial that she got married to most likely Jean is insane too. Armin is not that tall and the anime even adds a blurry scene of him in the credits. The hubby is not blonde either, I eyedropped his hair and it's green due to the lighting. Looks like dirty blonde hair mixed with green to me.

They also do the whole Jojo fan thing of creating fake interviews, no Isayama did not confirm that the man is Armin or she is single.

They want her to remain obsessed with Eren for eternity and grieving.

They do not like Mikasa, they just like their ship.

Eren and the aryan waifu

I have a strong dislike for Erehisu (Eren × Historia) due to redditors.

The biggest reason is that it's pure fantasy. The themes, characters, everything was made up. The largest example of mass delusion in modern day history.

They project themselves unto Eren, the chad that after destroying all his enemies returns home an settles down with his aryan wife and child.

Historia can't have any importance except for giving birth to Eren's kid. Ymir is presented as a predator for tempting Historia into lesbianism, Eren fucking her is the cure.

It only seems like they "like" Historia because they despise Mikasa. Mikasa is Asian instead of white, and she will be punished for her love for Eren by being cucked and dying by his hand.

All these fantasises of Historia hating Mikasa, calling her a slave. Historia who in canon jokingly teased Mikasa for her crush on Eren and shipped the two would never.

It is once again pure misogyny.

They can't even keep consistent with supposed themes. They say Eren is doing a full rumbling to keep his child from war yet they say that Eren will restart the rumbling through touching his child, thereby involving her unwillingly with war.

They do not like Eren or Historia, just Erehisu.

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I mean some Eremikas and Erehisus of course, if it doesn't apply to you, I'm not talking about you.

#anti eremika #anti erehisu #anti eren #aot critical #eren x mikasa #eren x historia #attack on titan #anti shipper

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innocentimouto · 6 months

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Do you think it was hypocritical of Levi to tell Eren "Don't let your feelings get in the way" and then five minutes later get sentimental and choose Armin because of, as he later admitted, his own reasons?

Anon, I doubt this was the answer you were expecting, but I don't think Levi would have chosen Armin at all unless it was because Isayama wanted Armin to have a big moment of being passed a mantle...

But answering your question, I don't think it was hypocritical, because despite wanting to chase after Zeke, he stopped to save Armin. Eren brings up Levi hesitating, but the fact that Levi even stopped for Armin and didn't focus on Zeke speaks more to responsibility than emotion to me.

When Mikasa is about to attack Floch, instead of using that moment to retaliate, or kick her off, Levi reacts to save Floch.

Having feelings is one thing. Letting them get in the way is another. They were soldiers. They swore to serve humanity. Levi had years of experience dealing with this, and he knew Eren was just a teenager who cared about his friends.

It's an unpopular opinion, I know, but the whole thing of either Erwin or Armin doesn't do much for me because it advances nothing about Erwin or Armin's character. We already knew Armin was intelligent. Erwin could have died in the suicide charge anyway.

Both Hange and Levi saying Armin wasn't the right choice only further makes me question why the scene even happened. It would have been the same if Armin got the injection and then they found out Erwin was alive too late. Or Erwin just died in the charge.

Armin being chosen didn't say anything new about him, didn't add to his character, didn't add to Erwin's character. It was an emotional episode, but that's about it for me.

Also why Armin survived against all odds makes me dislike that scene even more. I doubt even an Ackerman would survive what he experienced.

And Levi not choosing Erwin has never made sense to me, except that Isayama wanted Armin to take Erwin's place. I've heard all the reasons for Armin over Erwin, and none of them are points I think work, especially when by the time Armin gets the title of commander, it's sort of meaningless.

But getting to the point of Levi letting Erwin die is just against Levi's established character about doing everything for humanity. Levi was adamant that Erwin stay behind because humanity needed him. Just because Erwin was ridden with guilt doesn't mean the cure is death. Levi, no doubt, was exhausted himself. But he would never allow someone to let him die without fulfilling his goal of serving humanity.

Allowing Erwin to rest is problematic because it can be used for anyone dying. They're all exhausted, guilty, and traumatized. This was the first time we saw Erwin be vulnerable. Humans bounce back from a lot. Mikasa bounced back in season 1 when she thought Eren died.

Mikasa. I think it's one of the more powerful themes of the anime. The tenacity of humanity, to always push through despite all the pain and loss.

It would be more powerful for Erwin to have survived, discover his father was right, and then lead Paradis on the nearly impossible mission of defending itself against the world. That would surely make up for all the lives lost in his eyes.

And then someone could have told him that he wasn't a monster, and he wasn't selfish I'm so mad he died thinking so negatively about himself you could have at least let him have hope and believe in himself and then kill him off.

#Levi Ackerman #aot critical #Erwin Smith

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joyflameball · 2 years

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What's wrong with AOT? Sorry idk what that is and I'm very confused

Here's an article on it. Content warning for descriptions of anti-Semitic imagery, the Holocaust, and war crimes.

#asks #anon #attack on titan #aot critical

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quill-n · 3 months

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I think Molly should get a unique instrumental character theme that has a strong and distinct melody when he's introduced in the animated series that turns into a motif that appears in other scene and character tracks and also becomes an incredible reprise at the end of the story. I just think it'd be neat

#CHARACTER THEMES FOR DEAD CHARACTERS MAKE ME SO SO SOOO EMOTIONAL #still not over Marco's theme and I havent been active in aot in like five years #critical role #mighty nein spoilers #mollymauk tealeaf #quillnnotart

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sshirakumo · 4 months

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seven favorite levi scenes to count down to his birthday -> 3/7

episode 22 - defeated

bonus: him being pretty

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mac-n-chees · 5 months

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why your attack on titan otp isn’t canon

eremika: what tf are y’all doing here you guys are one of the only ones who can say it’s a canon ship gtfo

levihan: you guys are cute aww these guys are like a couple of siblings❤️ cmon y’all levihan are platonic soulmates and erwin smith is RIGHT THERE

eren x annie (anieren? ereani?): touch grass. you saw one interaction and decided they were the perfect couple, this is literally the dramione of aot, the zutara of this anime. just because you’re horny doesn’t mean everyone else is, pls keep ur hormones in check<3

erwin x hange: as i was writing this post the thought occurred to me that someone might ship this and it caused me physical pain but if you ship this ig you’re cool cause i’ve never seen this ship at all so therefore i’ve never been attacked by one of you online so congrats🥳 but they’re not canon cos literally not one soul ships them so whatever

eruri: is this the right name cause ship names in this fandom go crazy sometimes. anyways these the gayest mfs i’ve ever seen and the only reason they’re not canon is cause erwin had to die. doomed ships for the win😻 but you KNOW levi was getting some behind the scenes, cmon y’all

jearmin: hajime isayama is a coward

jeanmarco: gonna be honest, i did not give two shits when marco died. idk how this is a popular ship since marco got clapped in like episode 3. i mean i can see it ig but to me they just look like friends (and that’s probably what isayama was thinking too)

beruannie: one-sided as fuck

erehisu: historia is a lesbian (“oH bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe fArMeR???” she needed a sperm donor and he was the closest one they are not in love)

jeankasa: eremika solos, sorry, mikasa will always love eren (stay sour jean✌🏼)

levi x any of the members of the 104th: they are CHILDREN and levi is a full grown, thirty something year old ADULT, if you ship any of these there’s a special cell in jail waiting for you

mobihan: who even is moblit this ship forgettable as fuck. but i mean its not bad but again isayama hates love and romance so moblit had to die (sorry mobihan lovers)

springles (aka connie x sasha): you guys they’re PLATONIC SOULMATES, and they’re portrayed as such. also niccolo exists you guys sasha and connie are just like siblings

eremin: hajime isayama is a COWARD. you CANNOT TELL ME that the whole “i will stay with you forever” interaction in the final season was not FRUITY AS FUCK, there was so much tension but isayama’s a PUSSY

reiner x historia: historia is a lesbian

pikuhan: you guys have got to stop shipping everyone you see interact

for bonus points everyone tell me the ship hou HATEEEEE i’ll go first😻:

aruani✨✨🌈🌈🌙🌙

if you want an explanation you won’t get one unless i get harassed enough thank you and good night

#aot #attack on titan #anime #upset that your ship is on here? SO AM I #aot ships #i will be receiving constructive criticism during the afternoon only #i have finals #eremika #levihan #eruri #jearmin #eremin #eren yeager #eren jaeger #armin arlert #mikasa ackerman #ships #fandom ships

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clfixationstation · 4 months

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It drives me a little bit crazy when people insist that Mikasa is obsessed with Eren or unreasonably attached (unhealthily is another question)

a) Eren is the only family she has left and she is terrified of losing him the way she lost everyone else, it's only natural for her to be very protective of him. He is the last piece of the home that was stolen from her as a child TWICE.

b) Eren first appeared to Mikasa as a hero, saving her from being trafficked and giving her the strength to fight for herself and others. Of course she's going to see him in a very good light (until she realizes the horror of his actions in s4 & readjusts her view)

c) Mikasa is quite protective of her other teammates too, especially her other best friend Armin. Remember when she almost killed Levi for him? When she comforted Armin (to the best of her abilities) after he was kidnapped? Intense care for her loved ones, and others as she grows as a person, is just one of her main character traits.

d) I've seen people be angry at Mikasa for not defending Armin during the table scene, but excuse her for being shocked that the person that she's been desperately trying to protect for almost half her life apparently hates her, and that her other best friend, who's known for avoiding fighting, threw the first punch on her behalf.

Of course she doesn't want them to fight

Of course she's going to watch in disbelief, in horror, needing to see just how gone Eren is

Of course she still won't want to kill him at first, won't want to sever her last family tie by her own hand

But she does

Because she isn't obsessed and she isn't selfish

And she still keeps his scarf by her own will (and in defiance of Eren's), in memory of her closest friend and last family

Because she's not a slave to anyone's will

And acting despite all the love she has for Eren, refusing to allow her love to keep her bound - that is what frees Ymir

#cl thoughts #I am a Mikasa defender #there are definitely criticisms I have of her writing #but her overall arc is very solid #attack on titan #mikasa ackerman #shingeki no kyojin #aot finale #aot spoilers #aot #snk #mikasa analysis #eremika #ema

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aengelren · 8 months

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He’s perfect.

#i take no criticism #i love this official art #SO SO much🥹#eren jaeger #attack on titan #eren #shingeki no kyojin #aot #eren yeager #anime #Aot official art #Eren official art

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themastermarkus · 1 year

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Why Eren Jaeger should not have been in the top ten of the 104th Cadet Corps:

I don't think the canon rationalization is especially strong: The only thing that he’s singled out for is having a lot of drive due to his fierce desire to kill all the titans, but why is this even unusual? He’s not the only one who had family killed by titans. There should be plenty of angry teens with as much drive and skill as him. It definitely seems bizarre having him be FOURTH overall, just after Mikasa Ackerman and the three characters who have literally been trained as soldiers before. Sure, he later doesn't show himself to be a bad soldier, but nothing about him screams "fourth overall in his class" (though I will admit that there are other weird rankings, like I don't think Connie is better than average either and I'm not sure about Christa being in the top ten no matter what it is that Ymir did for her to get there.)

It's not necessary: Eren being in the top ten literally never factors into his story. He’s singled out because he’s a titan shifter, not because he's a great soldier. Even though it would make sense for the Survey Corps soldiers to have to be from the most skilled of the cadets* it’s the MILITARY POLICE that have the prerequisite of being high-ranking students. Eren always wanted to be a part of the Survey Corps, so being in the top ten was never a part of his dream or story arc. (*though the way it’s written also makes sense, with the idea being that the nobility hoard the power and under-supply the Survey Corps.)

The story would be thematically better if he wasn't: Eren sometimes feels insecure in his abilities but essentially “makes up for it” to other people with his titan powers. Eren not making the top ten is an entirely non-contrived way to reinforce this theme early in the series. It would work into the ultimate plot of Eren being an idealistic, but angry young man who eventually becomes a nationalistic extremist by introducing him as someone who really feels like he has something to prove to his superiors in the military.

#attack on titan #aot meta #aot critical #eren jaeger #aot season 2 spoilers

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starlight-bread-blog · 1 year

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Mikasa's Obssesion With Eren Wasn't Handled Well

(Spoilers for all of AoT, including the manga).

I'm pretty sure no one is gonna argue that Mikasa's entire arc and personality is centered around Eren, and that's the point. This isn't rocket science. But here's why I still don't like it:

1. Sometimes it feels like the only reason Mikasa thinks her obssesion with Eren is unhealthy because he commited mass genocide. I have no problem with that being her "wake up" moment, but it seems like she never understood that it was a problem to begin with.

2. At the end of arcs like this Mikasa should have a strong sense of self, be her own person and live her own life. So how did the writer choose to conclude Mikasa's arc?

Damn it! I know Mikasa has a great life now with I have no idea who, but why should the concludion of her arc should be in an extra?

+ I have to seriously doubt the conclusion is all that great.

Still all we see is visiting Eren, we should see her on her own. I don't want Mikasa to get a spin off all about her life, I'm saying that in the panels in which we do see her, we should see what her life is like after Eren, since it's her arc.

3. The pacing is terrible. Her arc only kicks in 4 seasons in. Which means, there are 3 whole seasons of Mikasa solely obssesing over Eren.

Mikasa spends 3 seasons having her character centered around Eren, never actually realized that it was unhealthy all this time, only for all of her appearances after the end of her arc to be only about Eren. She never fully gains a self.

#mikasa #mikasa ackerman #aot critical #attack on titan critical #attack on titan critisism #attack on titan #aot #shingeki no kyojin #snk #snk mikasa #attack on titan manga

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haedraulics · 1 year

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Can I ask you a question? Do you have any unpopular aot opinions?

i'm not exactly sure if this is considered unpopular since i've seen my take reflected by more professional critics than me, but the ending of the mange is a huge disappointment. i'm not even one of those people who think isayama was coerced by the fans or his editors to compromise on his original vision, i think the ending as it is is more or less what he had planned for the entirety of the series, which is unfortunate because it's not very good.

i do think that isayama was feeling a lot of pressure and deserved many more breaks/hiatuses between chapter releases, but as it is the aot ending is an indecisive mess of storytelling. what bothers me the most about it at this point is the tone of disney-esque optimism in the final pages (before the additions) that is just unbelievably bizarre, considering the magnitude of eren's crime against humanity. the most charitable reading of the 104 is that they're just too stupid to comprehend what they lived through, but even that is probably too kind.

at the end of the day i think the ending suffers the most because isayama wanted it both ways: he wanted to depict the horrors of global genocide with as much lurid, brutal detail as he could (chapters 130 onward), but also retain sympathy for eren as a deeply flawed but ultimately good-willed protagonist. it doesn't really work. the rumbling is a product of eren's naivete as a character- it was not a necessary evil, and portraying it as such emboldens the worst parts of the aot fandom.

that's not even to say that his type of character has never been done well, in terms of 'guys who become genocidal because they experienced too much racism', characters like erik killmonger are much more effective because they garner sympathy while still being 100% unambiguous antagonists. and besides that, killmonger at least had a coherent ideology and plan of action. i mean, even if eren did annihilate the rest of the world, did his idea of freedom include reforming paradis' military dictatorship to ensure greater civil liberties for everyone on the island? what about freedom from labour exploitation? freedom from hunger? freedom of travel? freedom of press? does he actually give a shit about freedom, or is it just vibes to him? my guess is it's probably the latter, considering that he never changed much from his intelligence rating of 3/10.

but anyway, i'm sure this isn't that unpopular of an opinion for people who've read or watched more things beside shounen anime LMAO

#minh asks #aot critical #aot spoilers

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innocentimouto · 6 months

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To me it's just so infuriating, that the narrative says that all the dead Survey Corps members would definitely, unequivocally, vehemently, unanimously be against the Rumbling plan, and that they'd allegedly condemn those members who don't want to stop it, when in actuality most of them would be happy for them that they can live a long life. Hell, if anything, a lot of SC members would've wound up as Yeagerists that are very much in favor of the Rumbling plan. It is so unfair of Hanji to pontificate about the right thing to do while speaking on the behalf of the dead, not knowing how they, as individuals with separate ways of thinking, would react to the fact that it weren't mindless man-eating monsters who have been their enemy all along, it was their own kind.

A whole lot of things were mishandled in the end, but using what we know:

Many of the veteran characters were not really written outside of being soldiers, so knowing them on a deeper, personal level, is hard to say.

2. The idea of humans outside the walls was known to Erwin, Levi, Miche, Hange, Nanaba, etc. And it's very obvious some people outside the walls wanted them dead. But they didn't know the whole world hated them and would eventually want them gone.

3. They were all driven for humanity's sake. They chose to continue fighting the titans for years despite overwhelming loss and zero answers for humanity's sake and to make the lives of the fallen soldiers matter. But as far as they knew, they were humanity.

4. To then face an enemy that would invalidate all those sacrifices, the REAL enemy, it's really hard for me to believe that every member of the SC would oppose the Rumbling. I don't even mean that they would gleefully and happily support it. I mean more in line with Jean. Realistically, their choices are limited. I also think more than just Eren should have been horrified/depressed at finding out the rest of the world wanted them dead, that after all that sacrifice, they still can't rest.

(Levi has 2 moments of thinking about loss of hope and the dream they shared of a joyful world. In both of those times, Eren is the main issue, but in reality, I can't understand why Levi or Hange or any other character wasn't hit with this feeling once they read the journals or saw the rest of the world.)

5. I think sticking most members of the Survey Corps on the opposing side of the Yeagerist is heavily influenced by how they beat down Shadis and allowed members of the military police and garrison turn into titans. Erwin was willing to make a lot of sacrifices for humanity's sake, but allowing humans to TURN into mindless titans? I think that's a level none of the sc would be okay with.

The idea of supporting or at least not opposing the Rumbling is usually muddled with siding with Yeagerists whose actions I myself didn't like either.

The thing about saying "genocide is bad, end of discussion" is that not fighting back will allow genocide to happen anyway. And the usual response is that "well it's less lives."

Yeah, but it's STILL genocide. So stop trying to end conversations with "genocide is bad" when your argument also allows it. Have your argument, it's your opinion. None of us, at least not me, are advocating for genocide here. Personally I could never be okay with allowing millions and millions of people to die. But I am also not in the world of aot and have not watched thousands of my people be killed which would now be for nothing and knowing my people have been made into mindless beasts for years for a senseless war.

All that pain, fear, and suffering, all for actions thousands of years ago, caused by people I didn't even know existed.

So yeah, I totally get opposing the Rumbling. But frankly most of us have not experienced what characters have in aot and sitting back for the sake of the world that wants my people dead would also completely invalidate all the suffering of hundreds to find the truth.

Anyway the following response is that they don't want the genocide of Paradis, but there's no good option.

And that's the same for people who support/don't oppose the Rumbling. No other option was given (though it should have been, my argument here is only using what we were given of the characters in s4. Otherwise NOPE, there were other options, none of which would lead to complete peace. But that's unachievable anyway. I think there would have been a way to make powerful allies with other nations, but by s4 things were just...lazy. Tangent)

But the whole point of introducing the Rumbling is not to stand and make a statement that genocide is right or the world deserves death. I took it to mean that THIS is the consequence of years of war, oppression, racism, greed for power, enslavement, child soldiers, etc. This is the worst possible thing someone could do, but because of years of war, this horrific decision is actually on the table for some.

To me, the Rumbling was never something to be celebrated. It was always meant to be horrible. But the intent behind it is to show how far humans are forced to go when senseless wars and oppression continues. It's a warning. You can't oppress a group of people for years and years in the name of them oppressing you for years. The cycle has never ended. There will be consequences.

Had Paradis been wiped out, the Marleyans would have become another Eldia in time with how willing they were to use titans in warfare. And soon the cycle would continue. I find it hilarious that Eldia gets so much blame for atrocities in the past when Marley is literally turning people into titans as a form of warfare. I half wished a character would tell a Marleyan "so how many years do we need to wait until we can call you the monster?"

Seeing the SC just plan to stop Eren after being stagnant the whole season and then admitting they don't have an answer and they may be wiped out... it's so unsatisfactory. If world wide genocide was going to be written in a story, how could you skim over SEARCHING for alternatives? One episode wasn't enough. There had to be groups of people on their side.

The Survey Corps was always known for being in the worst possible situations and finding some solution that's still awful but it's a solution. They didn't find anything. That one flashback episode was not enough for me. The Tyber family was right there. The "Island Devils Are Evil" and all Eldians are evil because of what their ancestors did, yet the Tyber family gained respect. Turns out, the Island Devils were the only ones who had an ancestor that OPPOSED what King Fritz started. If we're going by that logic, the Tyber family are frauds, and Paradis are the only ones who actually atoned for the actions in the past.

All this talk about years and years of oppression, so they must suffer when in reality it should be they must do something to undo the past and NO ONE did this but Paradis. Tyber family would HAVE to fall in with Paradis if they came out to the world leaders with that, or they'd lose their status. Turning Marley into the villains would have been easy with how they use titans as weapons against many other nations. It would also prevent the impending attack on Paradis.

I just feel they sat around and did nothing beyond a tiny search for allies. In public. Of course they wouldn't find any. Felt really lazy and like the Rumbling NEEDED to happen for the plot.

Hope this makes sense. I can't seem to organize my thoughts about aot and everything ends up really long.

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hiii i was wondering if i could request without a prompt from the prompt list? if so, can i request eren with an s/o where s/o and eren have just recently married and adopted a kitten, then one day said kitten keeps getting clingy with y/n just to find the reason why is bcs there's a little bun in the oven surprise and then y/n surprises eren with a testpack (and the kitten gets involved with the surprise somehow). really sorryyy if this was weird but I rarely see dad eren stories nowadays LMAO

Tysm for requesting!! Ofc u can put anything even just thoughts in my submissions, the prompt lists are just there if u need help thinking!

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People always tend to say that marriage was a big step, a big change. So you don’t know if its just because Eren’s Eren, but nothing really seemed to change with you and him after getting married.

You’d both already settled into your home and wrestled over which room decor you liked more and so things were nice, nice enough that you both decided you wanted to get a cat. It gave you the opportunity to see how far erens responsibility could stretch (which wasn’t too far from what you’ve seen😭) but anyways you guys had your kitten.

It always gravitated towards you, unfortunate for eren who refused to admit how much he truly liked the kitten. You would constantly catch him playing with the kitten way too rough for its size and you’d scold eren for not taking care of it properly etc how hes ‘a terrible father’ to the kitten 😭

Eren whistled rhythmically in a failing attempt to steal the kittens attention as it was once again, all over you. Disturbing whatever you were up to while eren tried to pick it up and place it nearer to him.. only for it to go crawling back to. He frowned like a pissed little kid and was about to verbalise his complaints until he got interrupted by you’re own complaints. Not about the kitten though.

“My head hurts so bad” you groan, hands flying to your temples, “do you feel sick?” eren replies, attention slowly leaving the kitten nestling in your lap.

“Yeah kind of, I think the breakfast you made me was that bad I’m gonna throw it up”

“Fuck you” Eren says, annoyed that he was ever concerned about your wellbeing (hes just kidding guys hes a silly billy this is a hee hee ha ha funny happy family i swear)

You snicker at Erens eye roll, “But really though I don’t know why I feel so nauseous”,

“Well maybe your allergic to the kitten?” Eren suggests in such a genuine tone that it was humorous.

“Eren,” you sigh, “you make it so hard not to bully you, you cant get mad at me” you’re disappointing sigh turns into another playful giggle as Eren starts frowning while you explain to him how cat allergies are more sneezing rather than nausea, and how you’ve had the kitten for long enough that you would most definitely not be allergic😭

“Yeah yeah fuck off the kitten doesn’t even like you” he says deflecting how he was wrong as it continues to roll around on your lap. “Take some medicine or whatever”, as always he still cares.

You open your cabinet in the toilet reaching for the painkillers, your hand stops as you notice the purple box next to it. You only had it really ‘just in case’ but in all fairness.. you were late. Your brain forced your hand to take the pregnancy test box because it would be harmless and would ease your worry and speculations.

Eren wasn’t home right now so it was safe enough for you to anxiously wait on your bed, staring at the test in the packet. Your glare getting interrupted as your alarm goes off alerting you that you can now check. It was positive, your second test was aswell, then the third one you rushed to buy at the store was also positive😭

This wasn't bad news at all, simply new.

You'd constantly joke about erens immaturity and lack of responsibility although you'd known him well enough to see that in the right moments, he truly is a highly capable man who would do great as a father, it grew on you as the minutes passed, the thought of starting a family with him didn't seem so bad even though you and eren weren't exactly aiming to get pregnant in the moment you did😭

You searched in your head for a way to break the news to him and you figured it would be fun to include the other member of the family, your kitten🤷‍♀️

"Im home" you hear ur husband shout as the front door shuts. "Hi Eren!!" you shout back, purposely in another room,

"can u feed the kitten really quick? I forgot to a while ago its probably hungry by now!"

"Wow and you call me a bad father" eren mutters, "I heard you." You reply blankly as he grins amused.

The kitten walks eagerly overtaking eren walking towards its little food station set aside by the kitchen counter. He notices one of the has evidently less full than the others so he decides to take that one to finish up in the kittens bowl.

You watch behind him eagerly but quietly lingering sheepishly around the counter, he tips the bag upside down as only a plain box falls out of it. "..what" he mumbles in confusion, he opens it to see the test inside but doesn't immediately react, nor move.

"Are you pregnant?!" he exclaims..

Facing the kitten and still not looking back to you, "Fuck off eren" you say smiling, yeah he heard you behind him.

He finally turns to you as you walk towards him, he has a fat grin on his face as he opens his arms rushing toward you before you can and hugs you so tight your feet lift off the floor and you feel like you're suffocating, you'll let it slide this time.

He finally settles you down in front of the counter, loosening his grip as he moves his hands to cradle your head, frantically planting kisses on your forehead to your cheeks to you nose to your lips. He can't contain his dashing grin and neither can you

"Can I name it?" Eren says with a boyish grin you know you cant trust,

"absolutely not" you say monotonously.

He frowns again, still tangling you in his arms against the counter as he runs one of his thumbs across your cheek, the other cradling your lower back keeping you close to him. "Why not?”

“Why not??? Because you tried to name our kitten Eren junior!"

"Eren juniors a great name, idk what you have against it!!"

"I hate you."

"Yeah yeah you love me, and i'll love our kid too."

"Yeah?" you say quietly, brushing a strand of loose hair behind his ear. Your hand glides downwards his shoulder as you simply admire your husband, your husband.

He stares into you deeply, slowly leaning in once again to kiss you. His hand moves from your face to the back of your head, encouraging you closer, deepening the kiss. Meanwhile your hands run through his hair. He gently pushes you forward into the counter as you both melt against each other, savouring the sensation of tooth-rotting love and adoration buzzing at your fingertips.

My requests r open for anything u can ask me any specific oneshots for eren or any character aswell!! Tysm for reading 🫶🫶

#attack on titan #eren jaeger #eren aot #eren x reader #headcanons #eren headcanons #eren x you #bf!eren #boyfriend!eren #eren x y/n #husband!eren #dad!eren #this is actually my first proper oneshot im terrified #i actually hate this please love me still #constructive criticism is encouraged #send help i cant do this #im really sorry anon i actually dont like pregnant!reader or dad!eren but I SWEAR i fr tried to pull through for you i still love you more #-more than anyone for requesting tumblr cut me off on that im offended

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