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okay, so i already said i don't like keefe, but i want to expand on the fact that him getting all these books of development and NOT developing is so annoying when amazing characters like linh, tam, biana, marella and fitz are all sidelined is so annoying.
his whole family drama was focused on in neverseen and then could have been drawn out in lodestar when he runs away, and then in flashback, we get the vackers, but in sooo much more depth because they're so intricate, and then we get more of the diznees because two chapters in book six was not enough and linh and tam talk about how they're dealing with all that happened in nightfall with their parents, and marella's storyline with her family is expanded.
but instead all this falls to the background and we get constant repetition of sophie worrying about keefe when all these characters have minor lines about all this every now and then.
like, stop focusing on him!!! give me fitz and biana explaining how it was to grow up in a family that expected perfection and always feeling like they were failing only to have their brother betray them all instead of just hinting at it every now and then and moving on, give me linh and tam working through the fact that they were abandoned by their parents and society for something out of their control and continue on from what started in nightfall, give me marella discussing the stress of how everyone views her family. even dex has been sidelined, the boy sophie calls her best friend, and his family are so tragic and interesting. why weren't they given more time to develop???
#keeper of the lost cities#kotlc#sophie foster#linh song#tam song#dex dizznee#biana vacker#fitz vacker#marella redek#anti keefe sencen
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It’s okay to not like Keefe, Sophie, or Fitz. Just because they are complicated doesn’t mean you have to like them.
People have opinions
People have biases
Stop with the stupid “You wanted complicated characters but couldn’t even handle Keefe/Fitz/Sophie”.
#kotlc confessions#kotlc#kotlc fandom#keeper of the lost cities#keefe sencen#fitz vacker#sophie foster#anti keefe sencen#anti fitz vacker#anti sophie foster#< filter the tag in case you don’t want to see it
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I’m on kotlc book 2 and I DONT LIKE KEEFE??! HE AGGRAVATES MY SOUL! IDK THERES SOMETHING BOUT HIM
like he’s everyone’s blorbo but i literally had to take a break from reading it since he was actually tap dancing on my last nerve
@venux777 and @nerdy-girl3791 and all my other kotlc moots. WHATS UR OPINION??
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so i'm almost halfway through my reread (done with neverseen) and as i've been reading i've been making a list of every single question in the series (the answered and the unanswered).
so who wants to see my massive list of questions from kotlc once i'm done. it's turning out to be pretty fucking long and i'm only done with the first four books so far.
(i've also been making a list of all my least favorite keefe moments and why i do not like this character, so i guess who wants to see that as well.)
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I'm only halfway through Stellarlune but the fact Sophie is like "Keefe would be an awesome boyfriend" like... no?
He keeps hurting her, sometimes literally, because he doesn't trust her with his plan, then the plan goes wrong because it was stupid in the first place (remember how he left to infiltrate the Neverseen which was reckless and stupid and didn't work and hurt her? He just left with one letter without saying where he was going, to one of the most dangerous places of the planet for an elf, with no way for his friends to find him and no help in case he was attacked?)
I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I'm just saying he's not able to think straight when Sophie's safety is at stakes and it leads him to decisions that end up hurting her or part of the team (remember how Fitz got put into a coma?). He would SO not be a good boyfriend.
A good friend? Doubtful, but I can understand that she enjoys his compagny. A good boyfriend? God no.
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If Keefe were replaced by a lesbian with a cool name the keepers books would be good actually
#im talking something like Cosma and everything else is the same#kotlc#sophs.txt#anti keefe sencen#i am so sick of bad boys but I am STARVED for complex female relationships so
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I don’t like how the Sokeefe confession went down, because it felt so abrupt compared to the build up of the series.
I think this because the whole series it’s Keefe who’s loved Sophie since the beginning, Keefe who hinted his feelings and flirted with her, and Keefe who couldn’t confess. And it was Sophie who couldn’t figure out her feelings and was oblivious to his. So it felt strange that though Keefe technically confessed first in the letter he left, it was Sophie who initiated the actual confession.
I understand that all the build up for Sophie confessing was in Stellarlune, but it just didn’t fit with the rest of the series, and honestly, felt unfair to Keefe (from a readers stand point, I’m sure he’s very happy in cannon). He should have been the one to confess.
I’ve heard people complaining that Chapter 42 was written like a fan fiction, and I disagree with this statement for two reasons, one that I think this is supposed to be insulting the actual writing of the scene, and I would never insult Shannon Messangers writing, and two because I don’t like to spread that fanfic writing is bad because fan fiction can have some amazing writing.
However I can see the similarities to Chapter 42 and fanfiction. As an avid reader of fanfiction, a reader can tell when the fanfic author is just writing a confession as a way to get the characters to kiss, the confession may be abrupt without a lot of build up, but also may just be very easy and quick. And that’s sort of how I felt reading the Sokeefe confession. It felt too easy for all the build up and angst and unrequited but eventually requited love that is Sokeefe.
Keefe should have been the one to confess, and Sophie should of had a harder time accepting feelings instead of pining for Keefe the entirety (?) or Stellarlune, and it should have been more difficult. Also Ro shouldn’t have been peer pressuring Sophie….
….And that’s the real controversial take here. Because, I do genuinely believe Sophie likes Keefe in cannon. I’m not a big Sokeefe shipper but I saw where this was going throughout the series. However in cannon, to the reader, it looks like Ro had to convince Sophie that she liked Keefe, and even if I think she does, it still feels like peer pressure when reading it. And I think Keefe would also be disappointed if he heard that it was Ro who convinced Sophie that she like him, because it should have been Sophie battling with her own feelings, not Ro telling her how she feels (regardless of if she was correct).
If I were to rewrite the Sokeefe part of Stellarlune, I would’ve have Sophie understanding that part of the letter, but pushing down her feelings and choosing to be oblivious in order to avoid facing her feelings when she already has so much going on. Have her think about Keefe while he’s gone, and be jealous of Biana (or suspicious whatever you’d call it) in that one scene but have her obviously be falsely justifying it in order to push down those romantic feelings.
Then when she does find Keefe, make her avoid mentioning the letter at all costs. Have it hang over their heads at every moment their alone together, have it be awkward. Then, on accident have her mention the letter. Let there be a pause.
Let Keefe be a bit bitter about Sophie refusing to acknowledge anything. Have him be all like “oh so you did see the letter.”
Have Sophie still refuse to talk about it. “yeah, I guess I was so distracted with trying to find you I didn’t really think about it (lying). was there anything important in there?”
Have Keefe’s eyes turn dark “no, I guess not. (lying)” and have him rudely stalk of.
Then later have them doing something for the black swan with their friends, looking over scrolls, idk research or something.
Have Sophie be frustrated after the scrolls don’t tell them anything important. “why can’t the author of these just tell us what this means?” She should grumble
And Keefe should say “well maybe you should read between the lines to figure out what they mean.”
Sophie throws down the scroll in her hands “well maybe people should just say what they mean instead of writing it down in a way that can mean anything!!” Keefe sets down his scroll, walking off outside. No one else knows what’s going on but Sophie sighs and follows him out.
“Keefe! Wait!” She shouts. Keefe would whirl around, tears in his eyes.
“Don’t you think I’ve waited long enough?”
Sophie stares at him, surprised that he’s crying.
“I’ve waited this whole time to because I didn’t want to pressure you. But you can’t even acknowledge it.”
“Because I don’t know what “it” is! You left, and you leave me this note, and I’m just supposed to understand what it means?”
“You know what it means! Why else would I write it?”
“You wrote it because you were leaving-“
“I WROTE IT BECAUSE I LOVE YOU”
“YOU WROTE IT BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT YOU’D NEVER SEE ME AGAIN!”
Suddenly there are tears in Sophie’s eyes too. “You’re accusing me of avoiding all this but you were just as willing to! You didn’t want to confront me with your feelings so you wrote down your confession, but now you’re back and all you can do is shout it at me.”
Keefe takes a step closer, his eyes wide.
“How am I supposed to know you mean it if you don’t say it?” Sophie looks down, tugging at an eyelash.
Keefe takes another step closer, taking her hand in his. His voice is croaky and wet but each word is clear.
“Sophie Foster…I love you.”
And that’s when it all hits Sophie, because that’s everything she needed to hear and all the things she’s been stuffing down comes up and hits her all at once, and she physically stumbles into Keefe.
“Foster?” Keefe asks, catching her. Sophie looks up and makes eye contact with him.
“I think I’ve just fallen for you.” (The joke is that she actually fell over. In case it wasn’t clear.)
#kotlc#sokeefe#is- is this anti sokeefe?#I don’t think so but if anyone wants me to tag this differently or add tags just tell me and I will#also maybe I’m completely wrong about this idk#i just feel like Stellarlune made me stop shipping sokeefe#and that’s my fault but I’m also just picky#keefe sencen#sophie foster
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Keefe when he finds out about Fitzphie: Sophie isn’t a prize and her feelings are valid. I’m am going to be there for her as a friend and help her through the matchmaking drama despite how much it hurts me.
Fitz when he finds out about Sokeefe: “You kissed him? You didn’t even kiss me that hurts so much *wah wah wah*
And that, my friends, is why Sophie Foster chose the right guy.
#keeper of the lost cities#kotlc#sokeefe#anti fitzphie#sophie foster#keefe sencen#fitz vacker#and fitz is OLDER#grow up my dude#stellarlune#stellarlune spoilers#kotlc stellarlune#shannon messenger#the arcadia ledger
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I hate Gisela. She doesn't love Keefe, she loves the version of him she wants to manipulate him to be.
#nerdygirlramblings#kotlc#keeper of the lost cities#keefe sencen#lady gisela#gisela sencen#anti lady gisela#anti gisela sencen
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There’s literally no one in Fitz Vacker’s life who’s ever chosen him first. His parents chose his family name and status (and if you believe the ‘Alden is the leader of the Neverseen’ theory, that) to the point of putting him in danger from as young as six, KNOWINGLY. Sophie and Keefe have always chosen each other, Biana has her own friends, as does everyone else. Alvar chose the Neverseen over his family even if he died for it. I don’t even know what to think about this tbh, it’s the fact they almost all have people who would put them first except Fitz and that’s so sad to me.
#kotlc#keeper of the lost cities#fitz angst#this poor boy#fitz kotlc#fitz vacker#sophie foster#keefe sencen#alden vacker#anti alden vacker#alvar vacker#biana vacker#i wonder if this was unintentional on shanons part#because as the books have progressed fitz has more and more been limited to only his role as a love interest#how he is written only ever takes that into account#but like that results in his only relationship anymore being sophie#at least#the only one with any substance#and now thats gone#bc sophie and keefe have each other#and fitz is alone#and its just. idk
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This cannot be a coincidence!
Keefe's name means hansome.
Fitz's name is commonly gived to illegitemate sons of royalty
Alden means wise protector
Linh means gentle spirit
#sophie foster#fitz vacker#kotlc#kotlc keefe#kotlc sophie#keefe sencen#alden vacker#kotlc linh#anti fitzphie
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okay so this may be a little biased because i really don't like keefe, but am i the only one who thinks that he's become almost too much of a main character over the past few books to the point that it feels like shannon favours him and his story over sophie???
like i get that his mother is a member of the neverseen and he was experimented on and that's super important and also kind of a cool parallel to sophie, who was also experimented on and has a mother on the council, but the way he's slowly become more and more “loved” in both the fandom and by the author over the MAIN CHARACTER is really not a good thing??? AND him being elevated makes me so mad because shannon is just neglecting all these other incredible characters. we had keefe dealing with his family for a couple books in neverseen and lodestar and after that i expected it to still be mentioned but for other characters like dex and biana to develop their relationship with sophie and their arcs better, but then keefe kept going through this drama with his parents and it got a bit repetitive—especially with him running away AGAIN because he thinks he's doing the right thing, only to come back like one book later and have learned nothing.
he's also just really annoying, and not in the teenange way like everyone else. him and ro make me want to die and throw my book across the room.
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this is probably annoying, but keefe is selfish and a bad friend.
this isn't about fitz, or even shipping, by the way.
it's annoying that keefe doesn't have actual accountability for the things he's done. sophie forgave him really easily right at the beginning of book 5, and it sucked. she should have been ashamed, afraid, angry, resentful, SOMETHING. but instead she only came to his defense, and the only thing emphasized in that book is his trauma (at least in regards to him as a character). there comes a point where what you did/do is something YOU have to take responsibility for, even if you have been hurt.
overall he takes his friends for granted, and it isn't ever portrayed as a FLAW, let alone as indicative of him really needing to get the heck away from these 'friends'.
he discounts tam's trauma, he lets ro talk crap about fitz for no other reason than shipping, he brings up sophie's (and other people's) emotions to use them to get involved in things he wouldn't otherwise- that's an intrusion of their privacy. a decent empath who actually had empathy for others wouldn't bring them up (but then the question is the morality of these talents....)
it is interesting to look at him and his father- in the human world, empaths are typically associated with valuing the feelings of others and making sure they're happy- it would have been interesting to see sophie's human perception be shaken by the elf one, and the way literal empaths behave.
but that isn't what happened, and no one in the series calls it out. instead, keefe is portrayed as a fun, messy (but in an endearing way, certainly not a problematic way) sweetheart, perfect for Y/N sophie (again this isn't really about shipping, but about keefe)
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My friend, looking at my pinterest board of teal hair colors: You want to dye your hair teal? But I thought you hated--
Me:
TEAL
#biana vacker#anti fitz#sokeefe#kotlc#kotlc biana#sophie foster#dex dizznee#della vacker#keefe sencen#keeper of the lost cities#keepblr
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keefe is my least favorite kotlc character and even i know that he was not "basically waiting around for sophie and fitz to break up" during legacy. like. don't spread misinformation about a character just because you don't like them. especially when there are other valid criticisms to make about the character or their actions.
#kotlc#kotlc keefe#keefe sencen#technically i'm defending him in this post so do i have to tag it anti keefe?#i'm just gonna#anti keefe sencen#kotlc discourse
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in general, i take a more neutral to negative stance on sokeefe, for several reasons.
first off, i haven't read stellarlune yet, so that might change my mind. i'm not against spoilers so i do know stuff.
okay, so sokeefe feels really unhealthy to me. sophie cannot rely on keefe, and her relying on keefe is really important! at the same time, you cannot tell me keefe has a healthy vision of who sophie is.
sophitz is also okay for me. it's definitely healthier (and better!) than sokeefe to me, but it doesn't satisfy the ship itch, so...
anyway, onto problems with sokeefe.
(technically stellarlune spoilers i've picked up)
sokeefe is relatively... interesting. they're not at a space or at a place where they can be a realistic healthy couple.
plus, i don't think keefe is ready at all for any romantic relationship. sophie is undoubtedly not ready. didn't she break up with fitz like a month ago?
i know fitz's feeling don't matter but imagine you and a girl break up, right? and then your best friend/former best friend (neither of your know which it is) starts dating her like a month later. idk about timelines but there's something about this that just feels... insensitive? wrong? both.
idk, neither sophie or keefe is ready for sokeefe, and even so, it feels really disrespectful to fitz too. yes, i know he doesn't really matter, but at the same time you have to take a step back and think about other people's reactions to your relationship.
#sokeefe#anti sokeefe#stellarlune spoilers#i think#sophie elizabeth foster#keefe sencen#fitz vacker#a little of him#anyway you know this now#but i am not a sokeefe fan#or really a sophitz fan but oh well#kotlc#keeper of the lost cities#various kotlc thoughts
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