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#angel dust as a character is just too real to me personally as a sa victim i find his character very accurate to how my trauma manifested
abby420 · 3 months
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lmao it’s literally a dumb fucking cartoon show about hell it’s not that deep lmaoooooo- “it’s time to lose your self loathing🎶, excuse yourself, let hope in 😊” 🥺😢😞
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sm-baby · 4 months
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Admittedly I don't know TOO much about the FS!Showtime dynamic, but in a previous ask someone compared the relationship to Valentino and Angel Dust, which you said they were not alike. But you also wrote a thing where, unless I gravely misread it, Pomni accepts a marriage("contract", if you will), but hates being imprisoned and regrets it. Or at least, that's how I interpreted it. Again I don't really know too much about FS, but I guess my question just boils down to: how are the dynamics here not similar? Accepting a contract out of desperate self preservation, only to realize a horrible mistake was made and now living under the thumb of an abuser, regretting the choices made and hoping for a way out both seem to apply here. AGAIN! I do not know a whole lot about FS in general nor the FS!Showtime dynamic, so I could be totally dead wrong here, but that is how *I* am understanding this, at least. And I fully admit I could simply just be misunderstanding quite poorly. But at the very least, to me, that is how the dynamic comes off.
TW: Talks about sexual assault
I just. Completely fucking dislike Valentino, and that's that. I don't want to justify it. I don't need to justify it. I fucking hate that man with all my fucking guts.
I don't want to compare his relationship with Angel dust with showtime— I don't want to compare his relationship with Angel dust with anything but real like sex trafficked victims or those suffering under the flaws of the porn industry whom they're SUPPOSED to represent.
Fuck no. I HATE how much people babify Valentino. I HATE how much they forget his frequent SA of Angel dust. Just because " OH HE WAS SILLY IN THIS SCENE!!"
FUCK HIM. I HATE HIM SO FUCKING MUCH AND I HOPE HE DIES. "Mushy, he could be someone's comfort character-— " HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A FUCKING COMFORT CHARACTER. IF YOU DO, YOURE PROBABLY A NICE PERSON, BUT GOD PLEASE GET HELP.
HE WILL NOT BE FUCKING THERE FOR ANYONE. ANYTHING HE DID TO ANGEL DUST HE WOULD HAPPILY DO WITH EVERYONE ELSE. I FUCKING HATE HIM WITH ALL MY HEART. EVERYTIME HE COMES ON SCREEN ALL THAT REPEATS IN MY HEAD IS "RAPIST" OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
Freakshow showtime and Angel dust's relationship with Valentino is NOT A fair fucking comparison and it should NOT be compared. These are such different situations.
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do you have any opinions on the hazbin critical and vivziepop critical tags?
tw // mentions of sexual abuse and sucide
I have a personal beef with them. And not because I love Hazbin and Vivzie so much but for more presonal reasons so the following opinion won't be measured at all.
Now, don't get me wrong, there are some legit criticisms out there. Like, the show could definitely do better with body diversity and giving us more varied sapphic relationships instead of just throwing a ton of male/male couples at us. And, yeah, Vivzie's response to some of the criticism has been... questionable. (I still cringe when I think about that one time she explained that Raphielle can ship ValAngel because they are sa survivor, but Raphielle explicitly admitted to not be one).
But then, there's stuff that's just... pulled out of nowhere. Like the whole thing about Valentino being a "fetish character." Come on, the world of villains is filled with queer, flamboyant baddies. What sets Valentino apart is how his abusive behavior is shown in the open, making us rethink our love for villains. If it weren't for Mascarade, people would worship this moth daddy gangster in a dress, much like they are with Vox now. It's hard to root for the bad guy when you see the fallout of their actions. Like, Loki committed war crimes and no one was outraged when he got his own TV series and dragged creators for supporting atrocities.
Constant Valentino/Angel Dust discourse actually leads to the more serious issues I have with this "community", more harmful than just "bad media literacy" like the way they handle the topic of sexual abuse and weaponize it, without ever listening to victims. There is this constant shitstorm about Angel being a "bad sa survivor rep," that the way he's written is insensitive because "he shouldn't be horny, he's sexually traumatized." Like, do these people not understand that making Angel unable to enjoy his sexuality the way he wants would essentially mean acknowledging that it's no longer his but belongs to his abuser now? Also, the argument I keep seeing that drives me BAT SHIT CRAZY aka "I can enjoy this media that is centered around murderer, you cannot enjoy the media that treats rapist as a nuanced character because rape is objectively worse than murder." WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU THAT? Reading this makes me feel so angry and sad and guilty because frankly, I was raped, and of course, it was horrible but still I'd choose it any time over being murdered. Because I have my life, I'm loved, and I love, I pursue my dreams, and I can still experience so many good things in my life. Painting sexual assault as this worse-than-death experience is not the feminist take they think it is and does not do victims any good.
Or accusations that Vivzie's support of fandom bullying led to someone taking their life. It's such a ridiculous and harmful claim. Honestly, this thing always makes me heated because suicide is not an easy decision, ask any person who ever faced it. It's not like "ah, this stranger told me to kms, I guess I gotta do it now." Of course, any kind of bullying and abuse adds to the suffering and can be the final trigger, but to me, it's just so disrespectful and harmful that someone could have experienced prolonged, intense suffering and all of this is omitted, their death labeled as a result of "fandom bullying" and weaponized in fandom drama. Also, it's simply cruel to put the blame for it on one, uninvolved person.
Also, it always annoys me when people hold small creators to immensely high standards while not doing the same with others. If we keep lynching and canceling every media that is not objectively morally pure, we won't be left with only perfect media. We will be left with media produced by white, privileged billionaires who might be real-life rapists, abusers, and thieves but are too powerful to be taken down by social media outrage. Hazbin's success is a major W for the underappreciated medium of animation (we saw what WB did to 90% of their animated shows), unpopular genres like musicals (Wonka creators were literally too ashamed to market it as one??), and unapologetic queer narratives that are not written for a heteronormative audience or centered around queer oppression (ofmd, the other medium I can think of in that realm has just been canceled). I can't stand people so desperate to put it down driven by their black-or-white sense of morality. Kant won't be patting your back for being the Moraliest Person because you bullied an indie creator and her fans.
Also everyone who feels the need to explain me hazbin critical agenda - save your breath. I'm very emotional about it and I frankly don't fucking care why you think you are right.
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unhappy-day-in-hell · 5 months
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The Dissection of Hazbin Hotel, Episode One: part 2
We got through the opening monologue and here we are in the show proper. Now, we finally get into the episode itself and explore the boring middle. Everyone ready?
CW: This part will briefly touch on Angel Dust's SA.
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Part 3:
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--Aaaa ew there it is. This is the first bit of real animation we get from the show, when Charlie lifts up the key.
Somehow, just this one little motion looks awful. As the key moves with Charlie’s hand, it doesn’t look like it’s physically in the world with her.
The animation department was fucked over so badly. It really, really shows.
--Lilith has been missing for 7 years.
Because of course she has. We can’t make the twists with her character TOO subtle!
This is really just trying to make us feel bad for Charlie, but Charlie and Vaggie’s voices sound so lifeless and disinterested that it elicits no emotion from me. (If I was a new watcher, it probably wouldn’t elicit any emotion from me if anyway, since we’ve JUST met Charlie and we haven’t gotten to know her yet; we have no attachment to her and thus can’t immediately care about her Sad Backstory. Missing Mom is a stock sad backstory anyway. We also don’t care about Lilith enough yet, because she was only a vague figure in a fairytale, we don’t actually KNOW her; in fact they even neglected to tell us what her dream was, or what she actually did in Hell, so we don't even have a vague idea to see her as a GOOD figure. And, if her empowering demons IS the reason for demonkind being so terrible, she may be a terrible person. So her missing status means nothing to us.)
--Soooooo……. The extermination just happened, but we’re not going to see any of its aftermath up close? We’re not going to look at the streets of Hell to see the carnage, or the damage? We’re just getting some overhead shots of the city smoking? Okay.
In the pilot, we had a long sequence where we saw the carnage and destruction the exterminators left behind. It was so much more impactful.
But we’re not doing that here. We’re staying up in this cozy penthouse just looking down at a still image of the city. Which means we’re not going to learn about the world at all. No establishing shots, no interesting or visceral imagery to get under our skin and make us FEEL for the sinners. This is very bad storytelling.
Also: If I didn’t know what the exterminations were like from the pilot, I might not even realize the smoke and fire coming off of the city was meant to be DAMAGE – I might just assume Hell was Just Like That.
Terrible job everyone. Terrible opening sequence.
--Vaggie: I enjoy your theatrics.
But Charlie didn’t do anything…
She didn’t even get to light the fireworks like she did in the pilot, which were the signal that the extermination was over and the sinners could come out.
--We go from the opening lore dump… to even more lore dumping!! Yay!!
This is so boring. It’s boring composition and boring animation and boring dialogue with actors who sound sleepy.
Vaggie and Charlie are sitting in a room talking. They’re not even doing anything interesting to look at. This is telling and not showing.
They mention their love for the kingdom, but again, we don’t have any scenes showing the streets, the deceased, and the normal citizens, which might make the AUDIENCE care about it. As of now, the audience doesn’t care because we aren't seeing anything. Throughout the opening fairytale and up to now, we haven’t learned a single thing about how this version of Hell functions. (And we don’t learn that through the entire episode.)
--This dialogue is also so stilted. “I just hope what I’m trying to do here will work.”
Can you have any personality in your lines at all? In the pilot, Charlie says “I don’t know if I’m going to make a difference, I don’t know what I’m doing”, which is just a bit more personal for her; she wants to MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
In the pilot, Charlie’s voice was so much more energetic, and sounded optimistic. Here, yeah she’s SAD and obviously being sad will make her sound softer, but pilot Charlie had a bright, optimistic tone that showed her optimism was unshakable.
--Alastor’s commercial. He really shouldn’t be making this. He’s the radio demon. The conflict is that he doesn’t want to make a TV ad, but was forced into it. This is a dumb conflict. Alastor would never do something he didn’t want to.
Afterwards, the B Plot of the episode will have Vaggie filming a commercial (a second commercial to be better than Alastor’s), and eventually she’ll coerce Alastor into helping her film it. So THAT MEANS Alastor’s first commercial was entirely pointless! Why not streamline this entire B plot? Skip Alastor’s first commercial; the gang gather together and discuss ideas for a commercial; Al is against it, Charlie has too many grand ideas, Vaggie is down to Earth, and Angel offers himself as an actor; then Charlie gets called away, so she gives the responsibility to Vaggie; Vaggie struggles but then Al steps in to help because he knows an empty Hotel will be boring; he then uses his radio powers to create broadcast an advertisement through the airwaves.
Alastor��s voice is also so tame now too. I dislike it heavily. Every line lacks the insane edge it had in the pilot and the radio filter is toned down.
They massacred my fave.
Raggle Fraggle.
--Alastor should never say “daddy issues.” That’s just way too modern. ALSO NOT REALLY? It’s not daddy issues?? If anything, Charlie has talked much more about Lilith in this version, saying it’s her mom’s dream. Daddy Lucy has nothing to do with this. Get your words right, you stupid script.
--The animation is just really bad, especially the part with the rafter falling down from the ceiling.
Also wasn’t it Alastor’s job to use his magic to clean this place up? He did a horrible job.
--Uh huh. We’re continuing the trend of nothing being explained. How the Hotel came to be, and how the crew was amassed, is not going to be explained at all.
We’re dropped in here blind with it already having happened.
It’s true you can’t just recreate the pilot for episode 1, but this is the worst way they could have possibly reintroduced the world.
If you didn’t watch the pilot, then you’d have NO idea what was going on in this place.
--Alastor: So, what do you think?
When I first heard this line it made me sad.
When I hear this line now, it makes me sad.
--Vaggie: I’m sorry, what the fuck was that?
There it is, the unfunny Fuck word being used like a joke.
Pro-tip: just saying the word Fuck does not make a joke. We as humans grow out of this when we stop being high schoolers.
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--Why does Alastor look mad when Charlie says the tone of the advertisement is “a bit off?” Nothing should be able to shake him. If anything, he should revel in their discomfort (he reveled in their discomfort in the pilot.) In the pilot, he probably would have made the advertisement like this INTENTIONALLY just to get a reaction out of them and to see them squirm. Here he acts like he wanted them to like it and is upset they don’t.
It makes him look pouty. And making him pouty makes him look weaker.
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The heck’s up with this shot? What a weird angle.  
--Alastor hasn’t been active in Hell for some time, huh? It’s because he was hired by Rosie, who is Lilith, who went missing 7 years ago. Viv can’t keep a plot twist secret.
Also, the animation for Alastor when he says he hasn’t been active in some time is weird. It… I wanna say feels kind of noodley? It has a different quality from the rest of the animation.
--Alastor: So I had a little fun with it.
That was a good shot of him passing his microphone from one hand to the next. It’s a second long but I’ll give them that. Maybe Al will get the few scraps of anything decent that come out of this. (Probably not. The leaks say otherwise.)
--Vaggie: well this is NOT what we want to represent us. …. Instead you’re MOCKING us.
These words are oddly stilted again. It’s like when characters speak like they know too much therapy language, when they really shouldn’t.
--Oh Angel. There he is.
….After Viv blew the budget on hiring expensive voice actors, I think all the remaining shoestring budget went into animating him, because he’s way more fluid than the others.
………….Because of course more attention is given to Angel (male) than to Charlie, the actual main (female) character.
--Angel wants to have a porno where he’s sleeping with Alastor. Alastor replies: “Haha. Never going to happen.”
This line lacks any of the manic energy that Alastor had in the pilot – there, when Angel said “I can suck your dick!” Alastor had a short moment where he was shocked, but then he replied with an energetic “HAH! No!” where he still sounded like he was having fun. In Episode One, Alastor sounds tired and annoyed, which takes away his feeling of power. He’s supposed to be this big Overlord; if he had actually laughed heartily and said “~HA HA HA HA! NEVER going to happen, my dear fellow!!~” with oomph, it’d be more in line with how in control he is of everything – but he’s not. He’s whiny. He’s weaker.
This moment shows that OTHER CHARACTERS have the ability to get under his skin when nothing should be able to get under his skin. He's the one who makes everyone else's skin crawl and loves it.
--“This body was MADE to be exploited!”
Alright, show, I’m going to stop you right there.
There's too much to unpack here. People better qualified than me already have.
So let’s begin by saying: Angel being sexual is not the problem. Using sexuality as a coping mechanism is not the problem. However, this crosses the line right from the start.
Angel is the victim of SA, which this has given him trauma. Remember Addict, one of the highest points in Vivzie’s career? Addict showed how BAD he feels by his exploitation; it actually took his situation seriously. At the end of Addict, Angel had frank lyrics where he finally admitted to himself that he was addicted and helpless, and was reluctant but willing to try for something better by staying in the Hotel. Everything Hazbin-related leading up to the show was Angel wanting to ESCAPE his sex-trafficked life.
So for Angel to joke about his body being made to be exploited… Just… How could you possibly think it’s okay? There is no tact here. There is no plausible deniability because of Angel’s history with SA; he’s saying his body is made to be SA’d.
If Angel had replied something like:
Charlie: I don’t want to exploit you in that way!
Angel: Aww, dame! I wanna help ya out, and this is just what I’m good at!
It wouldn’t be so heinous.
Or Angel could be shown to be a little socially intelligent about how Hell works:
Charlie: I don’t want to exploit you in that way!
Angel: But dame! Dame, ya gotta listen. This might be a squeaky clean joint for prudes, but Hell’s full of sexy, sex-loving freaks! And I’M the most famous sex-loving star is all of Hell! If you put me on your advertisements, you’ve got a GUARANTEED audience, and boy is it a massive audience! Your Hotel’ll make it to ALL those sinful, lusty sexlords who get off to me! I mean, you’re the one tryinna redeem ‘em, don’t you think some of THEM might be interested?
(I do kind of like that now that I’ve written that down; at least in that version, Angel actually has something going on in his brain. And Charlie can either concede and be like “yyyyyeah… I guess… you’re right…” or she can go “no Angel you left that life and I won’t be an accomplish making you go through that anymore.” Or something. SHOW SOME FUCKING CHARACTER.)  
There isn’t even anything to joke about with the line as it is. It’s just… thoughtless.
(And... from episode 4... God. It's sickening. This is just a taste of how BAD it is going to get.)
--Angel’s joke about his body parts goes on way too long. The joke overstays its welcome.
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--Why is Angel drawn with pink lines on half of his body while all the other characters have full black lines???
--“Oh Trust Me, I can!” Man… it was a glimmer like this shot that makes me miss what Alastor used to be. It’s actually kind of fluid, and it’s like seeing a tiny bit of what the character could have been. But it still, again, completely lacks the raw DANGER and unhinged-ness the originala brought to the show.
--Oh Husk. Oh, Husk, no. Your voice. Oh Husk. They fucked you up. Where’s the exhaustion, where’s the jadedness? You don’t sound burnt-out and hollow (like a HUSK) like you’re supposed to. Good lord.
Also… “Why do you think I’m here? You think I’d be cleaning bottles and listening to you fucks whining if he wasn’t forcing me?” So much telling and not a single ounce of showing.
--Nifty: I like being forced.
………… A little too close to Angel Dust's thing to be saying that, Nifty.
--THIS IS TOO MANY CHARACTERS ALL AT ONCE. This is a huge overload of information. How is a newcomer to the series supposed to register and remember all these guys? (We haven’t even gotten to Adam and Lute yet, meaning even more are on the way.)
Husk and Nifty don’t even do anything in the episode. They don’t need to be here.
--Apparently, Angel has a habit of harassing Husk. I’m worried. Listen: sexually harassing anyone is not okay and it’s not funny. In the pilot, Husk showed disinterest in Angel’s flirting, but nothing super outright or angry – here, he sounds angry. He sounds serious. He doesn’t want to be flirted with. But Angel doesn’t stop. This is not okay.
Why doesn’t Angel understand consent if his entire character arc is about SA and escaping exploitation. Of ANY character, he should have some modicum of self-awareness about this. At the least, they needed to dial back his lines. He’s already gone too far, as we’ve mentioned.
(...From the rest of the episodes, and the leaks, god it gets so much worse.)
--Vaggie: We can’t force sinners to stay here. They have to choose to.
Wow, can you sound ANY deader, Vaggie. This line is miserable.
--Angel thinks the hotel’s idea is stupid. So… why is Angel having this conversation with VAGGIE? This is Charlie’s show! This is Charlie’s dream! This is Charlie’s endeavor, the thing SHE believes in! Charlie is the main character; she is the one who is fighting for redemption!
Why isn’t it Angel and Charlie having this conversation, so Charlie has to defend her stance and Angel can challenge her, and it’ll be our first sign of Charlie facing opposition?
As it is, Vaggie doesn’t even sound convicted in their idea. Her voice is just fucking dead. And Angel cares nothing for the Hotel as stated, so he doesn’t bring any life into this discussion. Charlie is NEEDED in these scenes to bring energy to it.
It's because Charlie isn’t the main character. Viv doesn’t like female characters. She’s the main character in-name only. The male ones like Angel, Alastor, etc, are the ones that are the focus. This becomes more apparent with further episodes too.
--Angel: Crack is expensive.
Angel just coming out and saying that to Vaggie, when like, being off drugs was one of the conditions to staying in the hotel. He says he wants keep staying at the hotel rent-free, he should be hiding that he’s doing it so they don’t cut him from the program and tell him to get lost.
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So that was our first look at the show proper. I think that’s a good place to pause, because now, we’re coming into the worst part of the episode, where this train wreck just fucking falls over the edge of a cliff. It will have my most intense thoughts, and explain how Hazbin destroys itself before it can even begin!
Stay tuned!
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domesticated-whores · 28 days
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list of reasons why i kin angel dust
absolutely nobody asked or cares, and it absolutely goes into headcanon & projecting territory, but it's my void and i can scream into it how i please, so--
also, tiny note, i am loose and casual with kinning. i'm just saying heavily relate to the point that i can easily see myself parallel that character.
gay femboy supremacy 💅💅
nice tits (his are fluff, i'm transmasc and am too fem to care to go into debt over physical transition... either way, we got soft titties)
wearing pleasers ✨️exclusively✨️ (i also wear demonias, but they're owned by pleasers)
earlier iterations of him were more genderfluid but he's now canonly a cis man, i use to think i was more genderfluid due to being super fem (presenting) sometimes and being just meh about my body but am now confident that i'm just a really genderqueer trans dude.
doesn't overly mind fem language, *sometimes* intentionally uses it. refers to self decently androgynously (alternating between "fem" and "masc" shit)
pet mama 💕
my cats are my babies, i'd die and kill for them, genuinely one of the only lights in my life
animal lover in general, honestly!! babes, they're so fucking cute!!
i also prefer fucking ugly/weird animals like farm animals, trash animals (possums, raccoons, etc), some reptiles, and spiders
spiders are my very favorite creatures, so yeah i fw the spider character
overworked at a shitty job that there's no real way out of
like, i didn't sell my soul ig but i live in a small area and don't drive, and my cats need food and a roof over their little baby noggins, so mama needs a job no matter the cost
also, TOXIC fucking work environment. not comparable to workplace abuse, but FUCK--
and i ✨️ain't doing that shit sober✨️ bbgirl, i DRINK because of that place.
((that's a half-truth, i don't go TO work drunk because i am not subtle, but the instant i'm out and have any money--))
i also work A LOT, honestly. icky, nasty, 'sgusting.
✨️inferiority complex and heavy masking✨️
feet are weird, i especially hate my own
don't touch my feet, don't look at my feet, if anyone's around imma be in socks or smth, feet are a hard no for me
let's 👏 talk 👏 kink 👏
into bdsm and generally kinky shit
✨️ SUPER sex positive ✨️
growing collection of ✨️toys✨️ that i'm becoming increasingly proud of
it's a part of life, so i really don't see any taboo in fucking??
willing to try almost ANYTHING if i stand to gain from it or just to see if i'm into it
✨️ switch ✨️
PRAISE ME
... or, alternatively DEGRADE ME
on the regular, i just want to feel safe and loved and lowkey spoiled--
but i also fuck HARD with the spicy stuff
honestly, hardcore things are more professional than intimate
((i don't do sw, but i am into kink in a very nerdy, special interest, academic type of way... fuck me so i can write an essay about the dynamics at play, daddy~!))
on that note,, ✨️ trauma ✨️
specifically, sa :)
sa that really changes how you see and use sex, and how you outwardly PRETEND to see and use sex
being manipulated by someone you cared about in some way
((luckily, mine was short-lived... only the aftermath was long-lasting))
there's also family trauma :)
the idea of going no contact--
i kin people that are no/low contact because FUCK~ it's a lovely concept. i personally can't for... reasons... but if i could
will make the cheap-shot sex joke
i vape only the fruitiest bullshit flavors and, like, rip angel you would have loved this straw-blueberry vape with this funky abstract art on it bby
that's just, like, off the top of my head. idk, idk. he's literally me. not on everything, but he's the character i've related to the hardest in a HOT SECOND.
also, love the fact that all of this is true but also valentino is my fucking all time favorite character and my pfp. like, i look at angel and am hit with most deep and profound sense of "this is a character a that i relate to and see myself in to an insane degree" and then i turn around and see his fucking abuser and, with my FULL fucking chest go "scrumbly wittle bpd princess man 💕, i wuvs him 💕, i couldn't fix him but i could break him and mold him into my little disaster housewife 💕" like a fucking insane person. it's fine, it's fine, their literally cartoons!! i'm delulu about drawings!! it's okay!!
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sethdomain · 4 months
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Hazbin hotel season 1 honest totally unbiased review /lies
Pro's
-Awesome musical with great talent like Husk VA's (I'am weak to musical that sounds like hamilton rap writing sorry)
-Yuri🎉🎉🎉🎉
-fun animation to look at, they were definitely competent i applaud the animator to be able to animate vivziepop character design.
-Great sets of character and personality and great premise with potential that is fun to think about
-Circus art direction is derivative and cool
-Worldbuiding is fun
-It doesn't really fall into the cliche where it doesnt take itself seriously because its afraid the audience will find it corny
-Cool character design, as much as i roast the show for their twink tumblr sexyman factory design, they do sometimes cook hard af
-Chaggie
-Have i ever told you i love Chaggie
-Charlie and Vagina
Con's
-The most glaring issue is their horrible pacing, clearly lacks episode that fill us in silly hijinks that make us grew more attached with the character more or episode that explore the world around the character. Because of this the season 1 feel like a 3 season packed heavy lore into one season with frankenstein stitching
-Too much telling, not showing. They don't show us much stuff like how heaven is also bad in its own way, but just tell us through musical number.
-Lacks of character building for many character, many character see to still be used in a very little amount in the show, mainly the main cast. I think Angel Dust has the most character developtment in the show, but still in the standar of things if im being honest all the main cast is lacking. They feel like an unearned character developtment, like they just developt off screen and we as the viewer did not get to experience that at all, we just get told that now they have fit 2 whole season worth of character building now and we have to come to term with that.
-Lacks world exploring, Listen bruh explore hell or shit especially HEAVEN
-Repetitive character design trope, bruh stop putting goddamn twinks im scared of them
-Some episode have nauseating camera panning
-Cluttered character design, Some character design just have so much detail in them it hurt me eyesss
-when will Chaggie do scissoring🎉🎉🎉
-You dont get it i need my women filthy, iam so GAY
-can we put the butch in Charlie i think that would be awesome🔥🔥🔥🔥
-lacks CHAGGIE, I NEED THEM ON SCREEN 24/7 IDC IF ITS BAD WRITING /jokes
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So, basically I think Hazbin Hotel is a very fun show with great concept, but unfortunately it rush thing too soon.
I genuinely believe if they don't blow it off with a bang and make it like a standard cartoon per episode like SVTFOE where we get silly hijinks and sometime gut wrenching episode they can still run to maybe about to season 4 i think, well it depends if the audience might save them... Hazbin isnt exactly a highly celebrated show because of viv.
And for special coverage about the SA/victim angel plotline, i truly dont gave a fuck about him but i think people blow it off too far. I don't think Angel is a bad SA representation, i think the show did decently on representing him as victim and Val as a abuser.
They don't glorify Val and they clearly put Angel Dust as a survivor first. For how the scene 'poison' representing, how people feel about that I truly cannot control what people think of that and it is a mixed bag, some people say its bad some say its fine, I think its okay-ish some frame is a bit icky thought, i can admit that but it does supposed to make you uncomfortable and it does make sense for Angel Dust as a character. But still, in some shot the line between horryfying oh shit he's being sexually abused to holy shit rape hot sexy times gets REAL blurry.
Sorry not sorry if there are so much CONS in this, but i truly only do that to the show im truly invested in. Its to show that i want to think how a show could be better and how much i cared
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vincememes · 3 years
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banana fish starters
WARNINGS: IMPLIED SA, VIOLENCE MENT, DRUGS MENT spoiler warning .    to make it less long, the rest is under a cut.
feel free to adjust pronouns / names as needed !
ASH LYNX
❛   even if i did know something, what good would it do?  ❜  
❛   even a stupid street punk like me knows that  ❜  
❛   i envy you … being able to jump like that.  ❜  
❛   what could be more relaxing than three days away from these guys?  ❜  
❛   i wish i could hate you. i need someone to hate.  ❜  
❛   someone is dead. not that you’d give a damn one way or the other.  ❜  
❛   treating him like you’re giving the pope a bath isn’t going to help.  ❜  
❛   aren’t there any decent parents in this world?  ❜  
❛   that guy always regarded me as a human being with a real heart, not some sort of tool.  ❜  
❛   this little act of charity, you’re going to regret this.  ❜  
❛   i tried to forget.  ❜  
❛   stay with me... i won’t ask "forever". just for now.  ❜  
❛   well, i already know you’re a sick man.  ❜  
❛   ready to lose your life over a pizza?  ❜  
❛   my name... has become the signal for a massacre.  ❜  
❛   what on earth... have i become?  ❜  
❛   what do you think i am...? i’m a murderer... okay?  ❜  
❛   i told you before. i kill people.  ❜
❛   they paid the price for their decisions— that’s all.  ❜  
❛   what the hell do you know?!  ❜  
❛   let‘s say i am ‘exceptional’. the problem is, i never, ever, my whole life wanted to be.  ❜  
❛   you said i am not like ordinary people.  ❜  
❛   there’ve been countless times in my life when i thought i’d be better off dead.  ❜  
❛   that nothing could be worse than what was happening to me right then.  ❜  
❛   at times like that...death looks sweet and peaceful, and unbearably enticing.  ❜  
❛   war is always good business for those in power.  ❜  
❛   sorry to destroy your youthful innocence.  ❜  
❛   you have any idea what those guys made us do?  ❜  
❛   don’t tell me you still believe the pen is mightier than the sword.  ❜  
❛   if you ask me, the white house can go screw itself.  ❜  
❛   i wonder if i’m dying somewhere.  ❜  
❛   i wasn’t expecting the law to protect me.  ❜  
❛   i’ve ignored it all my life... i sure as hell don’t plan on hiding behind it now.  ❜  
❛   just keep them away from me— please!  ❜
❛   this town’s my backyard, remember?  ❜  
❛   sunrise and sunset are about the only times this junkyard of a city looks good.  ❜  
❛   even if i said no, you wouldn’t go back anyway.  ❜  
❛   if you went home i’d probably worry if something happened to you.  ❜  
❛   so it’s better you’re right here, where i can keep an eye on you  ❜  
❛   some people never change.  ❜  
❛   vulture got together with the viper. you make a great pair.  ❜  
❛   why now after all this time— does it have to be you, of all people...?  ❜  
❛   i don’t stand a chance. i’m dust against him.  ❜  
❛   over my dead body. if anybody hurts you... it’ll be over my dead body—  ❜  
❛   i don’t care who it is. i am not letting anybody hurt you.  ❜  
❛   do i scare you?  ❜  
❛   dont give me your stupid advice.  ❜  
❛   i’m happy, goddammit!    ❜  
❛   i know there’s at least one person in this world who cares about me. who doesn’t want anything from me.  ❜  
❛   do you have any idea what that’s like? i never did... not once in my entire life—until now.  ❜  
❛   and that’s worth more to me than anything else.  ❜  
❛   go back home! don’t look at me!  ❜  
❛   i don’t want you seeing me like this!  ❜  
❛   my hands are dirty with other people's blood.  ❜  
❛   i don't even know how many people i've killed.  ❜  
❛   i'm bad news.  ❜  
❛   i wish i could’ve been like you.  ❜  
❛   it’s just that… i always picture the worst-case scenario, that’s all.  ❜  
❛   guess it’s because i’m a coward.  ❜  
❛   i just can’t relax. it’s turned into a habit.  ❜  
❛   i was so scared i couldn’t speak, i couldn’t cry, and i screamed in my head, but... nothing came out.   ❜
EIJI OKUMURA
❛   if i ever lose you too... i'll go crazy.  ❜  
❛   come back safely. i'll be waiting for you, forever.  ❜  
❛   if you feel responsible, the same goes for me.  ❜  
❛  my words might not mean anything now, but just remember one thing.  ❜  
❛   even if the world turns on you, i'll always be on your side.  ❜  
❛   humans can change their destiny.  ❜  
❛   if i'm going to die anyways, at least i'll die trying!  ❜  
❛   don't apologize. that's something for people like me to do.  ❜  
❛   i'd do anything for you.  ❜  
❛   i know we'll meet again, no matter how far apart we are.  ❜  
❛   you're the greatest friend i'll ever have.  ❜  
❛   you're not alone. i'm by your side. my soul is always with you.  ❜  
❛   you asked me over and over if you scared me. but i never feared you. not once.  ❜  
❛   i'm really glad i came here.  ❜  
❛   i met lots of people. and more than anything, i met you.  ❜  
❛   that’s when i decided. i would always believe in you, no matter what.  ❜  
❛   no matter what happened, he would always have at least one person...  ❜
❛   i am very worried because i haven’t seen you and i don’t know if you are okay.  ❜  
❛   but so what? we are friends. isn’t that enough? what else do we need?  ❜  
❛   actually, i always felt that you are hurt, much more than me - that your spirit is wounded.  ❜  
❛   i know you are much smarter than me, and bigger, and stronger - but even so.. i always wanted to protect you.  ❜  
❛   but what did i want to protect you from?  ❜  
❛    i think i wanted to protect you from your future.  ❜  
❛   because your fate was sweeping you away, like a flood.  ❜  
❛   but i’m not saying “goodbye” to you... because this isn’t goodbye.  ❜
❛   are you going off on your own again?  ❜
❛   somewhere far away.. without a word?  ❜
❛   i want to see you. i wish i was with you right now.  ❜ 
YUT-LUNG
❛   a bloody history is inevitable when you are the one ruling.  ❜  
❛   what's wrong? you hated him, right? guess what? so do i.  ❜  
❛   no need to glare. i won't eat you up.  ❜  
❛   there's nothing you can do to help.  ❜  
❛   and what can you do to help?  ❜  
❛   you really irritate me.  ❜  
❛   you make people want to protect you or make them want to tear you apart and crush you.  ❜  
❛   so, what to do with you now.  ❜  
❛   i heard you tried to escape again. you have some spunk.  ❜  
❛   we have hired him, his target is your friend.  ❜  
❛   i have other things for you to do for me.  ❜  
❛   we still have two more scorpions.  ❜  
❛   i am a monster, too.  ❜  
❛   i'm not hearing any good news.  ❜  
❛   you become all tame when you’re around them.  ❜  
❛   you’ve degraded from a lone lynx to a content pet cat.  ❜  
❛   depending on your answer, i may not forgive you.  ❜
OTHER CHARACTERS (shorter, max, sing, shunichi, etc.)
❛   his face when he laughed was cute, and childlike, and totally angelic.  ❜  
❛   it's my problem too! if you go alone, you'll just be killed.  ❜  
❛   you'll die for nothing!  ❜  
❛   i won't let you go alone.  ❜  
❛   i'm sorry, but believe me when i say this: i'll die before i let them lay a finger on you.  ❜  
❛   i can't anymore. set me free. i'm in so much pain.  ❜
 ❛   we need to stay apart so at least one of us survives  ❜   
❛   if the former boss gets hit then it's the duty of the new boss to make the drop.  ❜   
❛   if we don't fight back now, we'll forever be expendable tools. ❜  
❛   you asked me to look after them.  ❜  
❛   yes, honey.    ❜  
❛   that’s for you to decide for yourself..  ❜  
❛   what’s wrong? you can’t punch me from that far back.  ❜  
❛   this will be the last time i give you a word of advice.  ❜  
❛   time is an ironic thing. for us, it means to age. but for people like him, it means to grow.  ❜  
❛   i love all women. they're beautiful and strong. like life itself.  ❜  
❛   it would only be making another one of us. ❜  
❛   one more wretched being, unloved and unloving, whose only sustenance is hatred and nihilism.  ❜  
❛   don’t fight your memories, cuz you’re never going to win.  ❜  
❛   i guess home isn’t something you want to remember if you ran away from it.  ❜  
❛   in one second i knew he could read everything on my mind.  ❜  
❛   i wondered when this boy had started to watch out for his soul, then i knew how much he had suffered.  ❜  
❛   you are the most beautiful and the most dangerous, of all the beasts i have ever known.  ❜  
❛   rather than hate and be triumphant, you chose to love and be destroyed.  ❜  
❛   i staked my life on that choice. please try to accept it.  ❜  
❛   one who does not love cannot be loved, either.  ❜  
❛   you at the very least knows what it is to love.  ❜  
❛   how can you expect someone who suffered so much to have any respect for authority? ❜  
❛   fine line between offender and victim it’s hard to know where to draw it.  ❜  
❛   there’s something about you that i just can’t hate.  ❜  
❛   'cause you’re hurt your soul’s bleeding-even now.  ❜  
❛   you’re just like me that way.  ❜
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