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jaykore · 5 years

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How Jason and Tim's relationship should be in your opinion? I don't know much about them but I wanted to ask this to you. Someone said they hate each other and I am just trying to find different opinions about it.

Oof… nonnie this is a loaded question.

This is the question that “launched a thousand ships” if youwill.

How do I answer this…. In short… They absolutely do not hateeach other, and people who are telling you that refuse to acknowledge the last8/9 years of DC comic canon. In fact, according to recent canon material, I’d go so far as to say that Tim is actually Jason’s FAVOURITE of the bat clan.

The longer answer is… under the cut.

Jason and Tim have an incredibly rocky history that beganextremely negatively. I don’t know how much you’ve read nonnie, but the ColesNotes version is that Jason was the second Robin, before Tim. He was murdered at the hands of the Joker and when he came back to life, he found that Bruce had “replaced” him with a new kiddo. Not just replacing him as “Robin” but in his life; like Jason, as a son, was easily replaceable. (At least that’s how Jay perceived it).

Jason was hurt, and angry, and personally, I don’t think he ever truly hated Tim. I think that Tim was the unfortunate target of all his rage, and in an effort to hurt Bruce he targeted and on occasion brutalized Tim. In the worst instance he corned him alone in Titans Tower and attacked him, leaving him bloody and on the verge of death. Jason’s mental health has never truly been explored by any comic writers, but it’s a “fanon headcanon” that part of Jason’s anger was due to what people call “pit rage”. In that they believe that the Lazarus pit that Jason was dunked in knocked some things loose and made him a little crazy. I believe… (and people can correct me if I’m wrong) that this may have been referenced in the comics somewhere; that the Lazarus Pit effects people in that way. And so… if you tend to be in the more “forgiving” group, you can see where Jason, who is already a troubled teen, dunked in a rage pit, and feeling like he’s been kicked to the curb, could go a little insane. Not that this is right by any means…

The interesting thing about Jason is, even though it appears he hates, or wants to hurt Tim, over time we see that there may actually be a grudging respect? Jason asks Tim to team up with him on occasion to help clean up Gotham’s underbelly. Tim declines, and Jason just pretty much accepts that’s how it is,or they fight and go their separate ways.

For Tim’s part, it appears that he never truly hated Jason. Tim even looked up to him at a point. When Jason came back they were both frustrated and hurt and angry and they’d fight… Jason viciously. But even after Jason is locked in jail by Dick, Tim STILL believes that there’s good in Jason, and finds a way to break him free. Jason also stabs Tim in the chest in Battle for the Cowl… and yet he still doesn’t hate him. Tim’s a saint lets be honest lmao.

Enter the retcon that everyone loves to hate. New52. In which DC revamped their canon and released a line of 52 new series in 2011. With it, many characters and their backstories were also changed, including… I bet you can guess… Jason and Tim’s! However… lots of people conveniently henpeck and/or ignore this canon all together, such as those telling you that Jason hates Tim and/or is his adopted brother. According to current canon… absolutely not true.

When they retconned everyone’s stories… Jason was the only kiddo officially adopted by Bruce Wayne. Dick Grayson was his “ward” but never his “son”, and Tim Drake’s parents are still very much alive. Tim is never adopted by Bruce, and in fact, never becomes “Robin”, therefore, he doesn’t “replace” Jason in the same way. It is heavily implied that Jason and Tim had issues when Jay came back from the dead, however… Tim has forgiven Jason and moved past that. Jason and Tim find an odd camaraderie in being the “black sheep” of the family, the Robins that “didn’t quite make the cut” if you will.

They often work together, side by side in titles like “Batman Eternal”. “Batman & Robin Eternal”, the “Robin Wars” and “Death of the Family” events… etc etc; Tim even makes cameos in Jason’s series, “Red Hood and the Outlaws” in which he tells Jason he’s forgiven him, and hopes that one day everyone else can move on too. They work together a bit in “Red Hood/Arsenal” as well.

So… in short. If you ignore the last decade of DC comic canon, you can probably say that Tim and Jason tolerate each other. Even then, I don’t think “hate” is the correct word. I think to say they “hate” is each other is oversimplifying and negating a lot of the complexities of both characters and their relationship overall.

If you follow canon… you’re an absolute liar to try and tell people that they “hate” each other. They simply DON’T. Not now anyway 😊

At the end of day, to each their own. I just wish that people would be honest with the facts.

So I hope that helps nonnie! And you go out there and form your own opinions! But in the meantime, I’ll leave you with some lovely collaborative canon JayTim content :D Because they like each other…

Last time I checked we don’t generally give people we hate fun nicknames, like “Timbers”.

NOTE BIEN! ***THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE BAT FAMILY THAT DOESN’T MAKE ME THROW UP A LITTLE WHEN I SEE HIM*** aka Jay’s FAVE of the famdamily lol

Or help people we hate….

We don’t generally flirt with people we hate either (ahem… yesmy shipper goggles are on)

Nor do we wanna fight bad guys with people we hate….? ButTim does…

*Tim and Jason ‘fought’ each other to throw the Joker off…

And Tim gives him sweet compliments… lmao

Lastly, in Rebirth, while they don’t work with/see each other asmuch as they did in the New52 runs, they’re still aware of/affected by eachother. In particular Jason, who still appreciates Tim, and when Tim “dies”, hasa hard time bringing himself to attend Tim’s funeral.

So yeah… I don’t…. see the hate… lol But I do see something else -eyebrow waggle- haha

#jaytim #jason todd #tim drake #red hood #red robin #Anonymous #long post #photo heavy #the longest post that ever posted #I am tired of people ignoring canon for their own agenda #reference #jaytim relationship #and anyone is welcome to politely correct me if I've misspoken as I'm working from memory #and you're allowed to disagree with me politely and message me privately if you want to chat more about this

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jocktrolls · 5 years

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Hi, just wanted to put out there that I don’t like being accused of needlessly accusing others of ERPing with minors, especially when I specifically say I do not have anything personal against the mun in question (which I would if u know. I thought they were ERPing with minors.)

Given that the the rule does not specify sexual content or sexual roleplay, and this message stating that 80% of the trolls on the blog are “literally made for smut”:

I think it’s safe to say to say that there is no grey area on whether or not your blog falls under a “primarily sexual blog that I saw roleplaying with an underage muse.”

No accusations were made, no insults to character were made. All I said was that we probably wouldn’t come to an agreement on that rule, which clearly, given your reaction, was true. Trying to portray me having the decency of not ghosting you as a callout or misunderstanding of your situation is at best further proof we’re not really compatible, and at worst, a malicious attempt to gaslight me and mislead others.

And if anyone wants to try to come into my inbox or on these replies saying I’m still in the wrong, my advice to you is: - People are allowed to set the bar for admission higher that “doesn’t literally assault kids.” - Having a polite disagreement about how someone else runs their blog is not tantamount to p-d*ph*l* accusations. - You don’t need to go to bat to defend everything you do just bc one (1) person said no thank you.

#ooc stuff #drama /#negative /#Multiple people can confirm they proofread the message at different times #vague /#ig because the screenshot was taken multiple days ago and i dont feel like #adding in the url or Providing Proof This Is About The Person #Plus I dont want this to be a Callout Post #Just a statement about my rules policy and how i dont like people lying about it #If anyone wants proof of what I sent and when i sent it off for proofreading you're allowed to message me #long post #anyways! dont fucking accuse me of making such accusations lightly #bc ur mad i dont wanna roleplay with u #EDIT: putting this in the tags later but — if you want to know why I made this post vs talking to the person directly #1) I have no desire to unblock the person in question if this is how said person approaches a v polite no thank you #2) if my words are being twisted by someone when said in private I want my words said in public first #3) it is a way to publicize my rules so that others who i would disagree with on the above can unfollow without getting permablocked

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samfenderdaily · 2 years

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ur sat on ur high horse talking about it being wrong for people to take an interest in sams life and yet ur entire blog is dedicated to the lad??? lmao

This is what I wrote on my pinned post because it seems like you haven't really understood my point:

I will not share nor discuss details about Sam's personal life (i.e. 'is he dating someone?') unless he shares them himself, and even then, I will make sure to remain as impartial as possible.

That said, if you wanna talk about Sam's music or laugh at an interview moment/Instagram story, please do and don't be afraid to message me!

You're right! My blog is dedicated to Sam. To Sam the artist. I personally decided to focus on his music. I think he's a great musician and songwriter, and I want to share my thoughts about his songs with others. All I ask, if you wanna interact with me, is to please stop sending messages about his private life. I don't see what's wrong with this. I'm setting boundaries on my blog.

You're entitled to think that I'm sitting on my high horse, judging everyone. Me telling you it isn't true won't make you change your mind. It feels redundant to say this again but apparently I wasn't clear enough: you're allowed to be curious about his personal life but just don't involve me, please.

The content of your ask didn't bother me because I know it isn't true, but you came off as rather rude and passive aggressive, and I'm trying to be as polite as possible here so I would appreciate it if you did the same, not really for me (I've handled way ruder anons) but because I don't want my followers to see this negativity.

Now, if you wanna talk about this with me (seeing as we probably have different opinions), you can send me a private message, like I said in my pinned post:

Just to be clear, these are my personal thoughts, I do not expect everyone to agree and I'm open to discuss them as long as we both make an effort to be polite and respectful.

I understand if you don't, and we'll just agree to disagree.

#sam fender #samfenderdaily #asks

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fatui-harbingers · 5 years

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So, I got this message about my Dany x Drogo is problematic for many reasons post.

I feel like this is very problematic because I've read a lot of bits and pieces from the books regarding her "relationship" and I still believe that it was Stockholm Syndrome. It literally makes you believe you care for your abuser as a way to protect you from pain because that's how your brain works. And, he IS a rapist! A 30 year old dude is not allowed to have sex with a 13 year old (no matter what the 13 year old said) by law in most places so I'm not sure what everyone's argument is here. She was SOLD to him for crying out loud!

Now, I will be blogging about it as I read the books and give my personal take on everything. And I mean EVERYTHING! I'll praise what I love and call out what's problematic because as a feminist, that's what I do. I know things are slightly different in the show and in the books, even major differences is some areas but a 30 year old dude buying a 13 year old girl will never be okay no matter how nice and/or soft he was.

And, I blocked the name because I'm not one to start drama in that manner and I won't be telling anyone who it is. I'm hoping I get the books for my 18th birthday in January but that'll probably take a bit of negotiating with the fam!

Though, I'm not sure if this message was meant to be rude or not, I'm pretty sure I'll still understand that Drogo was a rapist no matter his treatment of her towards the end of his life. Had he admitted what he did, apologized and promised to be better then I would like him more but he didn't so he disgusts me like all rapists that don't own up to what they did.

I'm a very empathic person when it comes to all forms of entertainment (books, music, theatre, TV and film. Sometimes in real life too, just depends) and I can usually feel the emotions as they were written, even if I don't know how the author intended them to feel. I'll know what's going on when I read the books because I also analyze everything (even unintentionally) and typically know what's up before I even form a personal opinion. That's just how I work. I don't typically make judgements right off the bat without all the information because that does no one any good.

Plus, I do a lot (and I mean A LOT) of reading on the brain and it's functions just for fun (and of course knowledge) so even while I don't have a degree to say I'm Smart And Know What I'm Talking About, I'm kinda smart and am pretty confident I know what I'm talking about. It's basic psychology! Of course she would appear to love him when her mind has told her she does! How else would her brain protect her and her sanity? It's a survial kind of thing. Unlike when you're an abused kid and you tell yourself "it's okay. I can get away from here when I'm 18 and I'll never have to see these people again!", her brain already knew there wasn't any way of escaping so, it convinced her she loved her new abuser so she would survive the trauma of his abuse.

As my dad would say, this ain't rocket science people! It really isn't. Basic psychology isn't very hard to understand either. Like, yo, I'm 17 and I seem to be able to grasp this better than a lot of adults (both adults I know and in this fandom). My whole family could even tell you I'm a very knowledgeable person. I'm the only one that keeps up with world politics (or just politics in general) and the only one that pays attention to all the facts, whether I like them or not. I'm even too serious to have any real fun with because of my obsession with learning!

Anyways, I don't ship people with their abusers. I don't ship Daenerys with Drogo just like I don't ship Sansa with Ramsay. I wouldn't be a feminist if I did! You're not progressive in the slightest if you do! Shipping people with their abuser sounds just like dudes telling girls they should marry their rapist (which still happens all over the world, btw!). Forced marriage is wrong as it is so that makes child marriage even worse.

I personally don't think people should be with anyone anymore than 5 years older than them because of how older people try to manipulate younger people. I've seen it in my family and it's just like parents talking down to their child (which I also disagree with but that's a rant post for another time).

The responses to my post regarding the Dany x Drogo stuff were awesome and I was so happy to see all the points everyone made that I didn't even think of! And it was especially good to see the book readers add on to the post as well. I'm very grateful for that considering I don't have the books yet! This has been my only negative response to the post so far and hopefully it'll stay that way because I don't know how much ignorance I can handle before snapping completely.

Oh, and I don't appreciate being told what I will or won't understand! You don't know me, you don't know how my brain works and you don't know how I will interpret something when I read it. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true and/or mean others will think as you do. That's not a very good way to be. You don't know how everyone's brain will take something. And I'm pretty sure I got a private message solely because this person knew they'd get dragged if they commented publicly on my post. Not cool! I'm one of those, if you can't say it proudly in public/to my face the maybe you should rethink your beliefs/views/opinions because they're probably very problematic if you can't.

Now, I'm pretty sure this message was sent for rude shipper reasons but I'm not gonna respond and I still won't if I get a message because of this post. I've had just about enough of all the ignorance coming my way in both fandom and my personal life. There was absolutely no reason to send this message to me when I've made my opinions known. I'm very upfront about who I am and what I stand for, my bio literally tells you all you need to really know about me (so do my posts!). You aren't changing my mind, just as I obviously won't be changing yours.

If you really read my posts and still come back with something like this, you apparently have no reading comprehension skills. I and all the Daenerys stans all laid it out pretty clearly with my post and all the additions as to why Drogo x Dany is problematic. It's super annoying when people read a post like that and come back with "but she consented!" She was 13 and he was in his 30s (and ya know, SOLD TO HIM) you rape apologist. "But she loved him!" I seriously added a screenshot of the definition of Stockholm Syndrome and you still think that? Oh dear Goddess Diana help me, the ignorance behind these responses are driving me mad!

I just need everyone to know, when it comes to ignorant responses, I'm like Taylor Swift. You say something stupid/ignorant imma write a whole post about you. I'm not the kinda gal that sits back and takes shit and pure ignorance without saying something. Keep that in mind! I am a feminist and I critique literally everything so, unless you want a feminist rant on your problematic views, you best stay out of my comments and dms. I stand for equality, human rights and diversity so it's pretty obvious I'm not gonna ship a girl with her rapist.

Again, as I said in my post, WE DON'T SHIP ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS IN THIS HOUSE!!!

#game of thrones #daenerys targaryen #anti drogo #anti dany x drogo #feminism #messages

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