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spop-romanticizes-abuse · 3 months

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their crimes and problems with their redemption arcs under the cut!

catra:

crimes:

War crimes

Abuse of power

Corruption

Reckless endangerment

Psychological abuse

Assault

Terrorism

Attempted regicide

Attempted mass murder

Attempted world domination

Attempted cataclysm

Conspiracy

Mass destruction

Abduction & kidnapping

Unlawful imprisonment

Brainwashing

Theft

Torture

Treason

Usurpation

Coercion

Stalking

Mutilation

Aiding and abetting

Illegal use of weapons

Espionage

Crimes against peace

Crimes against Etheria

Altering reality

how was her redemption arc carried out?

she was only redeemed in the final season and her arc wasn't as drawn out as it should have been.

she never faces any consequences of her actions and is forgiven by her victims almost immediately, either after a vague apology or no apology at all.

she continues torturing and abusing people around her, especially her love interest, adora. her redemption arc doesn't mean anything since she never actually changes.

the diamonds:

crimes:

Multiple planetary conquests

Mass invasion

Mass terraformation

Attempted omnicide

Crimes against the universe

Cruel and unusual punishments

Unlawful executions

Slavery

Oppression

Propaganda

Abuse of power

Mass murder

Terrorism

Ecocide

Genocide

War crimes

Hate crimes

Corruption

Psychological abuse

Brainwashing

Unethical experimentation

Mass forced confinement

Mass destruction

Mass forced transmutations

how was their redemption arc carried out?

same as catra, their redemption was done during the final few episodes of steven universe, and it was way too sudden to be realistic.

they never face any consequences of their actions and still gets to retain their positions as cosmic rulers.

they do, however, seem to put in some effort to change, although it's not clear if this is helpful. steven also does not seem to forgive them.

lilith clawthorne:

crimes:

Malediction

Attempted murder

Child endangerment

Hostage-taking

Kidnapping

Coercion

Malefic

Treason

Cheating

Torture

Abuse

Assault

Aiding and abetting

how was her redemption arc carried out?

she only had to make one sacrifice and that was the extent of her redemption arc.

she is also forgiven too quickly by the people she had hurt.

she does change for the better, and proves to be an ally to the heroes (albeit being an underutilized character).

sasha waybright:

crimes:

Abuse of power

Psychological abuse

Attempted murder

Treason

Terrorism

Harassment

Vandalism

Theft

Usurpation

Animal cruelty

Conspiracy

Kidnapping

Incrimination

Sabotage

Child endangerment

how was her redemption arc carried out?

we only see the beginning of her redemption, the rest of it happens almost entirely off-screen. this was a lazy choice, as we never see an actual “arc”, only the beginning and the end of it.

she is almost immediately forgiven by her friends. there is some lingering suspicion in some episodes, but not enough for everything she had done prior to that season.

however, she also seems to have turned into a better person and doesn't repeat any of her past toxic behaviour.

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funkmasterfuma · 6 months

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The Owl House 🤝 Amphibia

Having third seasons that struggle at maintaining tension and developing characters outside of their main protagonist in a meaningful way.

#amphibia #amphibia critical #the owl house #toh critical #toh salt #Amphibia salt

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hikaaa-bi · 8 months

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amphibia had the main characters do the most horrendous shit imaginable and the end of the episodes were just like "oh you little goober it's okay we all make mistakes <3"

#like did we really forget about hop pop using a weird fungus to turn anne sprig and polly into mind controlled zombies #so that they won't disturb him while working??#or anne thawing sprig when they were supposed to be hibernating during winter just so she could hang out with him?#like i get slapstick comedy but amphibia took it too far sometimes #the entire series was just a bunch of characters doing the most heinous shit and never learning from their mistakes #amphibia salt #amphibia criticism #amphibia discourse #amphibia critical #amphibia #hop pop

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ordinaryschmuck · 1 year

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Alright, last time ever that I’ll talk about Velma. I promise.

Because I’ve been extra salty towards this show all week, and I don’t want to take it further than that. Talking nothing but bad stuff about this show for the entirety of its run is exactly what the writers want. They want us to hate watch it so we can talk about each new atrocity the show brings up week after week, and call us haters or anti-woke propagandists. When, in reality, they don’t give a FUCK about any of that. They don’t care about other races, genders, or sexualities. They just WANT you to think they do. Know how I can tell? Because I’ve SEEN genuine attempts of representation.

THIS is a genuine attempt of representation. Matt Braly, the series creator of Amphibia and a Thai-American, felt like Thai culture was underrepresented in media. So, he not only made his main character and her Thai, but he also dedicated subplots and entire episodes showcasing the culture he wanted to represent.

THIS is a genuine attempt at representation. Dana Terrace, series creator of The Owl House and open Bisexual, wanted a main character that was explicitly bi to finally help kids feel like they’re seen. To help give the representation SHE always wanted.

But when I look at Velma? None of it hits the same.

This isn’t a genuine attempt for representation. This is Mindy Kuling turning a character into a self-insert to make herself look smarter than everyone else and the most important person in a narrative. Truth is, this Velma is nothing more than a sociopath, narcissistic dipshit who thinks she’s better than everyone else but is actually more aggravating than endearing.

So...Good job representing YOURSELF there, Mindy.

And this?

This isn’t representation. This is a shield.

A way to protect the show from any criticism because it couldn’t possibly be bad. They have gay characters! Gay characters are good in everything!

Except that is the LAST reason you should include gay characters! Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE more LGBTQA+ representation in media. What I don’t love is obvious attempts to pander to audiences just to avoid criticisms. And keep in mind, this is NOT the first attempt a creator wanted to make Velma gay.

James Gunn wanted to make her gay in the live action movie, but WB said no.

Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated (the GOAT of the Scooby-Doo franchise) wanted to make Velma gay, but could only imply it because Cartoon Network didn’t greenlit Steven Universe yet.

THOSE are genuine attempts to make Velma gay, to represent people because the creators of both products agreed that it was the least they could do.

But making Velma and Daphne a thing just to protect a show is nothing more than shallow and inconsiderate of the hard fight dozens of people put up with for the sake of representation.

And, honestly, I��d be a little more forgiving if the writing in Velma was good. But it’s not.

Within the first minute, this show features...

Cockroaches having sex...

And fifteen year olds taking a shower to make a joke about how over-sexualized a series’ pilot can be.

First of all: FUCK YOU FOR MAKING ME FIND THIS SCREEN SHOT FOR A POINT!

Second: You lose every ounce of credibility that you actually care about people when one of the first moves you make in your series is to sexualize minors for the sake of a joke.

A joke that doesn’t make sense at that. Point me to a series pilot that’s over-sexualized. If you get more than ten, I’ll say you have a point. I won’t say that sexualizing minors to make it was a good thing, but I’ll at least say that, “Yeah. You’re right. So many pilots do this. SO STOP DOING IT!”

That’s the level of writing Velma has. And it’s why they have their “representation” to protect themselves. Meanwhile, you want to know the level of writing you’ll find in The Owl House and Amphibia?

Villains who prove that the most dangerous people are the ones who make the rules.

Jokes that are actually funny.

Likable main protagonists who are kind and caring to the people around them.

Protagonists who have heartfelt relationships with other great characters, to the point that it breaks your heart to see them leave each other.

And on top of that, actually good representation. But here’s the thing: The representation isn’t only genuine. It’s a bonus. Something great to add onto everything else the writers and the creators do right.

What it isn’t is an attempt to protect a show from what it does wrong.

And that’s it. That’s the LAST time I’ll ever talk about Velma. I really mean it this time.

Talking about this show past it’s premier is already more attention it deserves. And if you were smart, you would not only stop watching, but stop talking. The best attention to give something you hate is NO attention.

If you really want to waste time, waste it by watching something good, like The Owl House and Amphibia. They may be kids shows, but they have more maturity than a single second of Velma.

#velma series #velma series salt #the owl house #amphibia #luz noceda #anne boonchuy #cw: naked minors #cw: velma

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frogonamelon · 1 month

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It's that time of year again where it gets a little warmer and I remember that Amphibia is a show I very much enjoy thinking about. Have some Anne outfits, as a treat <3

If you would like to see what aspect of headcanon/ au worldbuilding had consumed my consciousness like a pestering maggot, feel free to continue below.

Hello! Welcome to I focus on researching one very specific detail until I burn out!

My entire day has been consumed by figuring out how Amphibia's farming works. Like... amphibians are carnivores why do they have farms?

Well, I'll tell you why! The Plantars grow animal feed for predominantly crickets but also others such as silkworms, spiders, snails, etc. They grow produce like cabbage, mushrooms, parsnips, potatoes, dandelions, and turnips as well as heartfruit, a fruit not found on Earth.

In the past, the original amphibian hunter/gatherer societies found that mealworms were attracted to fallen heartfruit, among others. They began to use this knowledge to make traps and eventually began both containing the worms as well as growing the fruit.

Despite mealworms historical prominence in the farming and feeding of Amphibia, crickets are more popular nowadays due to their higher levels of protein. They also began growing a larger variety of produce to further increase efficiency.

Heartfruit is a kind of tree grown fruit with the color of a raspberry, size of a kumquat, and shape of a peach (hence the name). The Plantar's orchard is the only producer of this fruit as its traditionally significant but not necessary for frog kind. They are Anne's personal favorite of the Plantar's produce, being chalk full of nutrients and somehow feels nostalgic to her.

Speaking of Anne, she survives mostly on the Plantar's produce along with cricket meat (knowing that she can at least eat crickets).

After discovering that the amphibians hibernate, she begins to plant pole beans, blueberries, elderberries, and other produce and herbs in her greenhouse to cultivate while she forages and stockpiles for winter. She preps and stores wild rice, pecans, and sunflower seeds (discovered through trial and error). She keeps spare root veggies and other product in the basement. The Plantars help her do this, once they understand the situation, drying heartfruit and salting and smoking fish as well as making jerky out of bugs that they know she can have.

Anne's gonna learn to survive, even if the first winter is especially hard.

#Not my usual content but I love her and this au so much <3 #amphibia #4 Stars Au #I've done the research for what Anne would grow and eat no less than four times and it comes out vastly different each time.#Researching what grows in swamps + what frogs eat + what bugs humans can have + what the plantars grow + ...#farmer anne #trans anne boonchy my beloved #I could not find a suitable place for this but a different farm grows spirulina (a freshwater algae) for tadpoles. Anne will also eat this.#They are sold in jars (like baby food)#This whole au is about emphasizing the differences between humans and amphibians #Anne is warmblooded? Must prepare for winter #Can't live on an amphibian's diet? Eat animal feed and forage #Sasha is more resistant to the harsh climate of the mountains as well as to dangerous substances like citris and salt #She eats orange slices as a power play is all I'm saying #Marcy ends up being the first to truly research Amphibia's oceans because she can acturally survive touching the sea #Desi (4th star) is called the 'Sunchild' for a reason #Can't breathe underwater? Learn magic #anne boonchuy #plantar family

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fandom-discussions-with-avery · 9 months

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Everyone is arguing about whether Luz gaining the powers of a Titan makes her the "Chosen one" or not. Some argue that she was given a choice, which means she isn't the "Chosen one", but decided on everything herself. Others recall that among all the people, the Titan chose her. But no one is looking at the choice that was offered to her. And in it lies the meaning.

For example, let's remember Anne. What happened in the final battle? She deliberately chose death. She decided to save her friends at the cost of her life. The girl, who at the beginning of the series only drifted with the flow and thought about herself, made the decision to part with her life for the sake of someone else's world. She didn't have to choose it. She could put the squeeze on her strength to the end and just hope that it would be enough. Or she could have left. Just don't go back to the Amphibia. But she did it. That Anne from the beginning wouldn't have been able to do that. She would choose to run away. This completes her arc perfectly.

And what about Luz? She "died" accidentally, which already makes this "death" less significant. And what did Titan offer her? That's right, get super cool anime power and save her friends. Yes, Luz could refuse, but like... Do you believe she would have refused? When Anne had a choice, to die and save her friends or to stay alive, but then most likely all her new acquaintances would die, Luz chose whether to get cool new powers without side effects and save friends with their help or not to receive and not to save. Let's be honest, Luz from the beginning would willingly choose to become a Titanoluz. This choice doesn't mean anything for her development, doesn't complete her arc. That is why she is the "Chosen one". She did nothing to deserve these powers, except that she was nice to the son of a Titan (and this is questionable, because for a long time she treated him like a puppy). Bye

#toh critical #luz noceda #toh salt #amphibia #anne boonchuy

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amphibia-a-day · 4 months

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Day 997 of Amphibia Screenshots

Episode: Froggy Little Christmas

#Amphibia #Froggy Little Christmas #Amphibia Froggy Little Christmas #Becka Salt #Amphibia Screenshots #Amphibia Screenshot #hi if you saw me edit this and the last like 10 posts I uh apparently accidently messed up the numbering on the 4th #.....I fixed it now and I'm gonna make a post but OOPS #we're almost at 1000

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tharrb · 5 months

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“There’s no such thing as filler in amphibia”

Remember when maddie and marcy were friends?

#amphibia #salt

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agrebel18 · 1 year

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just saw this on Instagram and I think it’s still relevant.....

[image description: a picture of a white man in a classroom sitting down next to a whiteboard that says “The Hardest Thing’ is a great series finale because it not only accomplishes the goal of Anne returning home, a goal that was established in the very beginning, but it also delivers a true-to-life message about how change is normal, people come and go in our lives, and we make an impact on each other and cherish the time and memories spent together. You guys are just mad that Anne and her friends can’t stay in Amphibia forever because you’re too obsessed with the found family trope.” END ID]

#anyways people that hate or loathe this show dni!! /srs #and don't think about clowning on this because you'll just get blocked <3 #amphibia #amphibia spoilers #fandom salt

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heart-wit-strength · 3 months

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Not to sound like a total nitpicky clown on main but lowkey think I could write the warship scene way better than whatever the Marcy bible made it to be

#don't get me wrong the pirates of penzance reference was pretty solid #but the pirates being actors might be the biggest buzzkill I've ever had #even if it's the typical amphibia comedy™#would've been solid if the pirates were inforced by the previous chief ranger to hunt the night guard so that it actually makes sense #with the plotline of the book #maybe Marcy still let them out of death penalty bc of her main character syndrome™ and then there's actual consequences #it's my own problem expecting too much lmao but consider. I'm passionate #and it's like 4 am #so take this for a grain of salt #maybe I'd even write it #amphibia #rant (?)#marcy's journal #text post

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spop-romanticizes-abuse · 5 months

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Meaningless Suffering ≠ Consequences: An SPOP Rant Analysis

so one huge argument i've seen from SPOP fans, when it comes to Catra's redemption is that “she got tortured and mind controlled by Horde Prime. she almost died at his hands. therefore, she faced the consequences of her actions.”

now.. could this be considered a consequence of her actions? the important question here is: why did Catra get punished by Prime? for going against his rules and freeing Glimmer. she got punished for doing one good thing. this was the consequence of her doing something right. if anything, she would be more discouraged to do good in the future, because the first time she does something good, she almost gets murdered for it.

but i digress. i've seen this trope be used with quite a few characters in media. the other example of this i want to talk about is Marcy from Amphibia. (spoilers for Amphibia below)

in the s2 finale, Marcy is revealed to have stranded her friends Anne and Sasha on Amphibia on purpose, because she didn't want to be alone. while this wasn't as bad as any of the shit that Catra pulled, it was still a fucked up thing to do. Marcy deliberately took Anne and Sasha away from their home and their parents, for her own selfish reasons.

like Catra, Marcy also has abandonment issues. her parents had informed her that they had to move and Marcy was terrified at the idea of having to leave Anne and Sasha behind. but that was still not an excuse for what she did.

not long after her secret was exposed, Marcy gets stabbed by King Andrias while trying to escape Amphibia. she doesn't die, of course, it's still a kid's show.

but to make things worse, she gets possessed by the Core later on, which is shown to be an extremely painful and traumatizing process (which they barely touch upon later). and then they show in a flashback that Anne and Sasha used to ignore Marcy and make her feel lonely, when this was not touched upon earlier in the series. in fact, Anne was shown to be very caring and attentive to Marcy up until this episode.

at this point, it's clear that the writers are trying to make the viewers feel sorry for Marcy. if they keep adding reasons why she's so miserable and traumatized, maybe the viewers would forget what she did to Anne and Sasha. right?

there is a small scene in s3 where Sasha questions why she should forgive Marcy, but it is quickly fixed by Anne telling Sasha that she should forgive Marcy. there's also a moment of realization for Marcy but even that is done in such a cliché and lighthearted manner, where the severity of her actions aren't addressed. and that's it. Marcy is rescued, she apologizes, and is immediately forgiven.

but then again, like SPOP, the last season of Amphibia was trashfire. i refuse to believe that people genuinely liked that season, it was so badly written and ruined everything that was set up prior to it.

anyway, let's come back to SPOP. it's clear that the writers of SPOP were also trying to do the same thing. put poor catgirl through the wringer, have her almost die and come back to life and voila! she is absolved of all her crimes.

for those of you who are still not convinced, let me try to make a real world comparison. let's just say i'm someone who bullies or abuses people. one day while getting home from school/work, i get hit by a car. i get grievously injured and go through a lot of pain. heck, maybe it even leaves some kind of permanent disability or injury.

is that a punishment for my actions? you can call it karma, but let's be real, karma doesn't exist. it's just a coincidence. and you bet i'm not going to wake up in the hospital thinking “this must be my punishment for abusing people”. if i really am an abuser who has no remorse for my actions, a random accident isn't going to change my mind.

and that's what happened with Catra too. she didn't consider Horde Prime's torture as a consequence of her actions. if anything, she used that as an excuse to mistreat Adora and the others even more. it's clear that she pitied herself for what happened. and everyone else pitied her, including the audience.

imagine if the good redemption arcs were written this way. imagine if, instead of working through his issues and facing actual consequences of his actions, Zuko was just tortured and traumatized even more by Ozai, and the Gaang just forgave him because they felt bad for him. yeah, people wouldn't be praising his arc anymore. or they would, who knows. i know i wouldn't be praising his arc.

because this is not the way to redeem a villain. the only way to redeem a villain is to have them face consequences of their actions and work for forgiveness. to show them consistently trying to make up for what they did and trying to be a better person, not because they want to be forgiven or accepted by the heroes, but because it's the right thing to do.

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discet · 11 months

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I wish Marcy made actual connections in Amphibia in canon, because it would've done wonders for her character arc; Imagine her being so afraid of moving to a new place because she's afraid she can't make new friends there, only for someone to point out that's what she's been doing this entire time in Amphibia! So if Marcy can pull that off in Amphibia, why not wherever her parents are moving?

Yeah. It's one of the real strengths of the journal. There she does make several real connections (though doesn't realize it) with her fellow Night Guardmates. Marcy and Maddie had a great dynamic and would have been great if they had ever paid that off or referenced it. (Like it wouldn't take much, just have Maddie ask after Marcy in Turning Point. She even has a line in there, it wouldn't have been that hard)

Forever salty that Marcy and Andrias have a moment before she leaves for Earth. Like, I get Andrias was changed by his relationship with Marcy, but how the fuck does Marcy still have any positive feelings the other way?

The girl's last interaction with him was him standing idly by while she got traumatized via possession and the moment before that he nearly murdered her and the moment before that he betrayed her confidence, and the moment before that he had manipulated her insecurities to ensure her loyalty.

Like fuckin

I really hate how the narrative bends to give Andrias a pass for his part in everything. Just. Gross.

#Amphibia #Salt #andrias #marcy wu

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hikaaa-bi · 10 months

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(rant ahead, proceed at your own risk)

honestly though, i do not like it when a show has no problem putting characters through trauma but doesn't want to address it afterwards. especially worse when they keep dogpiling trauma onto one specific character and then just forgets all about it. oh yay, the world is saved and this character is alright now, i guess.

exhibit A: Marcy from Amphibia. she was already having issues with leaving her friends and trying to combat that with escapism. she got reasonably rejected by her friends when they realized she tricked them. she got backstabbed by the king, both metaphorically and literally. the stab scene literally needed a content warning. she gets put on life support for a while and then gets turned into a weapon. the VA did a really good job with the screaming that it really made us think Marcy was going to at least have scars later. if they went all out, she'd probably be paralyzed or disabled for a while. if not, the least they could do is have her being weak and unable to move too much or fight.

but guess what? her friends rescue her from the core and after a little bit of crying and apologizing, girlie is a-okay. no visible scars, no physical injuries, not even a little bodyache. she jumps up immediately and is fighting the enemy in her super saiyan form moments after.

and do we even have to talk about the emotional and psychological trauma? nope. Marcy is saved now, that's all that matters. apart from a little bit of character growth, this girl is not affected by what she went through one bit.

don't forget that right after seeing Marcy get stabbed and presumably killed, Anne goes back to earth, has exactly 1 second of crisis and then completely forgets about her friend. a lot of the viewers argued that Anne was just repressing her feelings and trying to act happy. if this is true, the writers should show it. just having her act happy and have fun at grocery stores and museums doesn't really send the point across. you start to wonder whether the character got amnesia or if the writers have it.

The Owl House temporarily succeeded in showing a happy-go-lucky character repressing their feelings a.k.a Luz in s2b. we clearly see Luz looking anxious or sad when she's alone or when no one is looking. you see her panicking and trying to overcompensate with jokes, when she's actually not feeling okay. it's done really well in both animation and voice acting.

exhibit B: Hunter from The Owl House. now TOH wasn't overall as bad at showing emotional impact and trauma as Amphibia was. it had its fair share of tears and panic attacks. we see multiple characters very clearly experiencing the aftereffects of traumatic events they went through - King, Eda, Luz, Amity, Hunter. the only problem is that these arcs aren't really resolved well.

Hunter being the most popular example. like Marcy, Hunter was someone who was just given trauma after trauma to deal with. he was a child soldier, raised by his abusive "uncle" who was also the emperor. he was brainwashed into doing whatever his uncle wants him to, with the golden child complex tacked onto him. he is already in a very fragile position at this point, accepting his death and digging his grave when he fears that he's about to disappoint his uncle. he later finds out that he was a clone of said uncle's brother and that there were thousands before him, disposed of easily when they turned against the emperor. he has to fight his uncle in the finale, where said uncle tries to manipulate him again. after getting stranded in the human realm, his uncle later possesses his body, almost killing him in the process. oh, and his best friend actually gets killed.

and the aftereffects? TOH wasn't as avoidant as Amphibia. they did show Hunter having multiple panic attacks, identity crises after leaving the emperor's coven and very obvious fear and negative impacts of abuse.

but the whole grimwalker thing seems to be not taken as seriously as it should have been. Hunter is worried about his friends knowing that he is a clone, rather than about being a clone. i mean, in a world where grimwalkers aren't implied to be a common thing, surely it must be very existentially shocking and confusing to suddenly learn that you're not you, right? i mean, if i learned that i was a clone of someone else, i know the first thing i would think of wouldn't be about how my friends would take it. because i havent had the time to process it myself.

like i get it, these are Hunter's first friends and he doesn't want to lose them, yada yada. but it's still a bit strange to address it this way.

the main problem i have with Hunter's arc is that he never gets his closure with Belos. after Belos possesses his body and kills Flapjack, Hunter tells the others that they have to find and defeat Belos in order to avenge Flapjack. he is clearly distressed and angry. but then the story suddenly seems to forget about his trauma and focuses on Willow's issues instead and just handwaves the whole revenge thing aside.

Hunter did not have to be part of the final fight against Belos. but he needed some closure after everything that had happened. i mentioned this in a previous post but remember when Zuko was able to confront his dad, call Ozai out on all the shit he did and loudly reclaim his destiny? Zuko was allowed to face Ozai and say "I'm not going to be who you want me to be. you are a horrible person who abused me all my life and I'm finally cutting myself free from your influence, and I'm going to right all the wrongs that you made." this was such a powerful moment and Hunter deserved something akin to it too.

but in the end, Hunter isn't even at the scene where Belos dies. Luz, King, Eda and Raine are. and sure, all of these characters were affected by Belos's actions one way or another, but Hunter was the one who was most deeply impacted by Belos. and he never got his closure, he just.. had to move on. it was just such a disappointing end to his arc because he was a character that had so much potential, but they pushed his entire arc and development aside, so that huntlow can happen. yes, i dislike huntlow, it's a very forced and poorly written ship that sabotages the personality of both these characters.

anyway, yeah. either take time to address your character's trauma or don't give them trauma at all. believe it or not, not everyone goes through absolute life-shattering trauma and pain. people deal with problems, sure, but if you can't write about trauma well, please don't.

#amphibia #amphibia critical #amphibia discourse #amphibia salt #amphibia criticism #marcy #anne #toh criticism #toh critical #toh discourse #toh salt #hunter #willow #luz #writing #writing problems #bad writing

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gritsandbrits · 1 year

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Thing I notice in fandoms is how nonwhite kids are often held to even higher standards or unfairly demonized for existing.

Let's start with Avatar cuz y'all no white ppl don't exist in that universe but it's worth mentioning. In fandom Katara is often made the butt of a joke; in the comics Azula was written HORRIBLY.

I see it in TGAMM. Like Andrea, Ollie also came out of a toxic household yet fans put him down for "getting in the way of ships" even going far as to claim he and Molly are siblings (despite them coming from entirely different families and ethnicities). Even after Ollie is changing fans won't give him a chance.

In HSMfandom people claim Sharpay was the real victim & Gabriella was the bad guy who mopes and whines all day, ignoring that Sharpay tried to steal Troy away (who she didn't even really like, she liked Zeke more). She forced the entire crew to work on a night of a big performance, and was essentially a bully all 3 movies. Yet SOMEHOW stans blame Gabbi. She was the one who actually had her priorities straight and refused to play Sharpay's mind games. Yet Sharpay gets excused bc she's pretty and pink and owns it. Yes media and society demonizes girliness, but Sharpay was toxic as hell and needed a few harsh lessons. Gabbi was the victim. It's spelled out in the text..

Even in Amphibia there's a small section of fans who has Marcy and claim she's a manipulative liar. Not showing compassion for her when her actions came out emotional distress and she had to face the consequences. Sounds familiar?

In Descendants Uma and Audrey get the brunt of hate when they were victimized by Mal at some point, yet aren't given the same empathy even in canon. There's other posts that talk about this unfair treatment (as well as the double standards between Mal and Ben).

And trust me this isn't the first nor last time kids of color are unfairly castigated in favor of the "better" white kids. And not just race; religion, gender, class, disability mental illness etc, all of those also major factors in how fandom and canon perceive and write certain child characters.

#avatar the last airbender #atla #tgamm #high school musical #descendants #poc #nonwhite #fandom racism #disney #nickelodeon #amphibia #my essay #writing #wendell and wild #fandom salt #analysis

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teawinx · 2 years

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in case what if you watch those shows

YAP

#ml salt #ml WISHES it was TOH and Amphibia #It could NEVAH #girl power who?#I only know fighting over white boys

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natedogx15 · 2 years

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Sad but True

Very sad. Especially since it seems like the show is setting Hawkmoth up to not face any consequences while Chloe's dad loses his job as mayor if I read the bible right.

#ml salt #ml meme #meme #miraculous ladybug #amphibia #owl house #gravity falls #ml leaks

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