What do you mean by saying that Alicent has an emotional incesty vibe with Aemond?? 👁👄👁
Aaaaah, what a great question!
This is by no means a thought I conceptualised, and there are also people who can articulate this far better than myself; but I definitely found Alicent and Aemond’s relationship a little… odd in Episode 9. Of course, some of that is to do with the fact that Ewan and Olivia are a little too damn close in age to successfully carry off the dynamic they’re trying to sell to the audience, but there’s a lot in their interactions that further credits the following belief.
Aemond acts almost husbandly to her; he assumes a kind of responsibility over his older brother Aegon, he reassures his mother that he’ll find him, get him home, keep him safe etc. He holds her hands, looks down at her, and again there’s nothing inherently wrong with this action but it lingers a little too deliberately to not be read into. Alicent allows Aemond to take charge like this, and she seems to have cultivated a relationship with Aemond wherein she freely laments the behaviour of her eldest son like a mother complaining to her child’s father would. This shouldn’t be Aemond’s role in this family as the second son, as her child. She looks to him for almost fatherly support in dealing with Aegon. There are undoubtedly reasons for this—Alicent being a child herself when starting to give birth, her husband being a useless POS, her children having been largely removed from their own father because of aforementioned POS, her lack of stability in her role as Queen to a man much older than her who also frequently demonstrates his disinterest in her and the kids she’s given him—but the dynamic is still weird.
Aemond is a stand-in for Viserys. He’s been parentified, and seems to be a sort of disciplinarian dealing with his siblings. Alicent looks to him to perform this action, in violation of his position as second son and NOT father, centring him emotionally as her fellow parenting partner, and in doing so unwittingly casting him as her de facto husband. The only reason I don’t consider this outright incest is because I don’t necessarily believe that she’s followed through in feelings of sexual desire for Aemond/sleeping with Aemond, but the manner in which their relationship functions certainly leaves that open for negotiation.
I hope this makes sense!
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In the show, Aemond agreed to go with Criston Cole to find Aegon first for his mother. Alicent wanted to find Aegon first so she could tell him not to kill Rhaenyra. She was very worried, because Otto wanted Rhaenyra killed. So this means that Aemond agreed with wanting to keep Rhaenyra alive, which I find interesting. I know he’s a momma’s boy, but he clearly does not do whatever Alicent wants, given by his behavior during the dinner scene in 1x08.
If he wanted Rhaenyra dead, I think the scene where Aemond is sitting in her room would have him arguing against saving Rhaenyra, but it didn’t show that. So Aemond may have wanted Aegon to be king and resented Rhaenyra, but I don’t think he wanted her dead, if his behavior in 1x09 is anything to go by.
*EDIT* show!Aemond never wanted Aegon to be King. When we go back to episode 7, we see a boy who clearly is just telling Aegon to stop complaining about Marty ng Helaena, telling him that it was his duty and silently castigating him for being overly sexual towards the servant women. Before Aegon goes, too, he mocks Aemond for his perception of Aemond wanting to marry Helaena, before which Aemond tells him he would marry her if "mother" so inclined to tell him to/duty required it. And in episode 9, he complains to Cole about how he has the right attention to the "philosophies" etc, implying that he should be king, not Aegon. Or at the very least Aegon is not qualified to be King. In the same episode, we also get a shot of him staring hard and regretfully at Aegon during his coronation, when he is bending for the crown.
So yes, Aemond both does most people of what Alicent says and he doesn't independently want Aegon to be King--thinks he would do better.
Context:
Alicent wanted to find Aegon so that Otto wouldn’t be able to use Aegon and immediately attack and kill Rhaenyra, because he would use Aegon’s authority and privileges as King to go after Rhaenyra, claiming to act for him. He would have had more freedom if he isolated Aegon under his own control.
After Alicent hears of the council’s plans to kill Rhaenyra, she (is supposed to) realize that they will definitely kill Rhaenyra no matter what she says to them, so this (is supposed to) see through Otto and secure Aegon and continue with her plan to secure Rhaenyra’s life for longer and prevent war/get her to just stand down and accept Aegon’s rule.
Answering the Ask:
*EDIT* He may not have desired her to die, but he (logically should) have wholeheartedly accepted it enough that shows her life means little to him.
You: “If he wanted Rhaenyra dead, I think the scene where Aemond is sitting in her room would have him arguing against saving Rhaenyra, but it didn’t show that.”
The scene you refer to doesn’t have Alicent ever mention that she wants to save Rhaenyra. It’s only about securing Aegon:
Ser Arryk: Your father has sent Ser Erryk into the city to find him. Ser Erryk knows Aegon. He has the advantage.
Alicent: I trust again to you, Ser Criston, and to your loyalty. Aegon must be found, and he must be brought to me. The very fate of the Seven Kingdoms depends on it. Everything you feel for me as your queen. I will not fail you.
Aemond: I'll come with you.
Alicent: That would not be my desire, Aemond. If anything has happened...
Aemond: Cole needs me, Mother. Ser Erryk isn't the only one who knows Aegon's doings.
We never witness Alicent actually tell Aemond, face-to-face, about her desire to preserve Rhaenyra’s life just for the sake of preserving her life, because she genuinely wants to be her friend, or because she’s suddenly altruistic. They do not discuss it mention it to each other, at least where we can see.
And Aemond wasn’t present in the green council, nor was he there when Alicent confronted Otto, where she tells Otto that she finally realizes that he’s been using her.
If we were Alicent’s kid, we would not know about Alicent’s past with Rhaenyra unless someone in court or she told/used suggestive language to us. Aemond has no reason to feel that Alicent is on a save-Rhaenyra mission. Especially after his whole life had Alicent tell him that Rhaenyra must be usurped. And usurpations do not end nonviolently, especially without killing those you are usurping and those who could compete with you for the seat of power.
In episode 8, he seemed at first sat disappointed or surprised by Alicent and Rhaneyra coming to terms. Before, they were both ready for anything, getting tense. But after Alicent accepts Rhaenyra, both guys quietly, looking deflated. Why? Maybe because Alicent has been telling him that Rhaenyra is the enemy, so they’re thinking what the fuck is going on here? (If we assume from what we’ve been told and shown before.) It's either that or they are truly mad they didn't get to beat up the V boys.
Still, some of us in the audience sit in silence trying to figure out what the hell is going on with Alicent.
Alicent suddenly saying cease fire in episode 8 doesn’t make sense! It completely contradicts episode 6 and 7 and her actions when Vaemond came along to speak with her and Otto.
Aemond actually has more impetus to be more persistent in the dinner because his mother’s sudden change would not have made any sense and completely disregarded how he stuck up for her in episode 7! He shouldn’t know or understand Alicent’s thought process--only that she and he hate the blacks. He should not feel that Rhaenyra could be left alone.
Again, because Alicent has told him and his siblings many times throughout their entire childhood that Rhaenyra is the enemy or that she needs to be usurped. That the plan has always been to usurp her.
We even see this when Aemond talks with Aegon about marrying Helaena, and Helaena being Aegon’s Queen Consort. Which is treasonous talk beacuse young Aemond is saying that Aegon will be King and Rhaenyra would not be Queen Regnant (not a real title in Westeros, but it works to distinguish Rhaenyra-as-Queen from Alicent or Cersei-as-Queen).
So, no logically Aemond wouldn’t have “agreed” to keep Rhaenyra alive. From what we get to see in that past and in the present, he’s just following orders and not questioning Alicent’s sudden change of mind.
This was bad writing and forcing characters to fit models rather than let the characters act in their situations and told backgrounds.
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