rob thomas will write a boy whose childhood sexual trauma canonically manifests itself as sex-repulsion and say ah yes. it makes enough sense for him to be last season’s rapist that we will retcon the entire plotline we wrapped up 23 episodes ago just for the sake of drama. jail for 1000 years mr thomas im not kidding this time

I love Veronica Mars but they did not know how to write a love triangle at all. I didn’t realize that’s what they were even trying to do until I read about more about the show and interviews. Like it’s Logan. Even when she’s with Duncan or Piz it’s gonna be Logan. Because they did nothing with the Duncan or Piz characters. They’re barely characters to begin with. They are boring white bread nice guys with no issues or interests except they like Veronica. No chemistry. No nothing. At least Duncan had a real purpose and storyline and being best friends with Logan and dating Veronica first added some drama. Piz was just there and he liked her and she didn’t care and then she broke up with Logan and she kinda cared? Idk just a rant. Rob Thomas should have focused on other aspects because the love triangles were a fail and a waste of time.

didn't he roofie her?? i have never seen vm but there's an image in my mind (which could be made up completely, i'm very unreliable) that he roofied her

TW PLEASE READ: drugs, spiking, sexual assault.

I assume you mean did Logan give Veronica drugs at Shelley Pomroy's party?

My recollection of the events is as follows:

Luke, Dick and Logan got GHB from their trip to Tijuana.

At the party, Dick spikes Maddison's drink, but she never drank it because she was on a diet, and instead spat in it and gave it to an unwitting Veronica (the 'trip to the dentist'). Neither Maddison nor Veronica were aware that there was GHB in the drink.

Separately, Logan gives Duncan a hit of GHB unwittingly in order for him to 'loosen up'. PLEASE NOTE I DON'T CONDONE THIS, OBVIOUSLY, LOGAN WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF TERRIBLE IN SEASON 1 and also he was like not a great friend to Duncan generally (which is the beauty of his redemption arc in a way - he started off lowkey horrible).

Veronica ends up passing out on a bed.

Dick encourages Beaver to have sex with her, which he says he didn't (although we find out later - in s 2 - that he did).

Duncan eventually finds her awake but kind of woozy, he's also drugged, they have consensual sex (although i note that neither of them were capable of giving consent) but Veronica doesn't remember it the next day. Duncan never mentions it because he believed (at that time) that they were accidental siblings.

This is why Logan says "I'm responsible for what happened to you" because HE'S the one who gave Duncan the drugs. While he's not directly responsible, yes he did a stupid ass thing and you should never ever ever spike someone's drink.

If anyone thinks I'm wrong please correct me!

every time i rewatch season 1 of veronica mars i think it’s funny that veronica genuinely lists duncan as a suspect in lilly’s murder. he literally doesn’t have the range

after finishing veronica mars the latest series i was not okay for like a week im so serious

it BROKE me.

So just putting this out there: just because you don't agree with what the narrative is trying to tell you about a certain piece of media (be it book, movie, TV show, or video game) or what the creator wants you to think about it doesn't make you wrong or a bad person. You are just one person with an opinion.

Let me put this another way. If you are a Game of Thrones fan, do you believe that Bran Stark being an omniscient tree god ruling as an absolute monarch is the best way to solve all political problems? Uh, probably not. If you are a Veronica Mars fan, do you believe the best end to her story is to kill off her long-term love interest because the story doesn't work anymore if she's happy? (Just have her break up with him then!) If you are a Ted Lasso fan, do you think the best ending for the story is for Ted and Rebecca never to consummate their romance and for Roy, Keeley, and Jamie not to become a fabulous OT3? (Okay, opinion may differ on that one, but a lot of people don't like the ending that they got).

Did you think the ending to We Were Liars was a cop out? Do you think Edward Ferrars is an idiot? Do you wish Outlander would get to the point already? Do you think a lot of the plot points in The Last of Us 2 are fucked up? So what if you do?

So if you weren't happy about those things, it doesn't mean you failed at anything. You just didn't accept what the narrative wanted you to believe. Which is fine. They don't rule what happens in your head.

So everybody chill.

Remember when Veronica Mars had us all thinking that Duncan had raped his ex girlfriend who happened to be his sister, just to reveal that it wasn’t actually his sister so it wasn’t that bad and Duncan was just a really nice guy even though Veronica was distraught over it being him regardless of if they were siblings or not because he still raped her? Anyway I just finished season one and-

I think my most controversial opinion is that killing Logan off at the end of season four was the boldest, most exciting. most surprising writing decision the Veronica Mars writers could have made & the fallout would have made for a good season 5 & I think it was fine, actually, sorry

(Misogynistic) male tv writers:

Here is the “nice normal guy” option to contrast the bad boy. “Nice guy” is amazing! So normal and well adjusted! Such even temperament! Wow! The PERFECT boyfriend. Our heroine should pick him but she won’t cuz she’s so broken and bad. Poor nice guy, he did nothing wrong!

The fans and fan fic writers (who are completely correct and valid in this):

Nice guy is literally Ted Bundy in various wigs. He is antichrist. He is evil incarnate. Death to nice guy

love how when my family was watching the vmars pilot and veronica's like "that's duncan. he used to be my boyfriend but not anymore" and it cuts to a shot of logan sitting on duncan's lap at the lunch table and we were all like oh i get it. it's because that's his new boyfriend

why did veronica mars make two of their three plot-relevant male childhood sexual abuse victims queer and the other one super fucking queercoded like what was the point being made there

Allow me to preface with: I love where OFMD ends up. Every time I see something that makes me fear for a renewal (Taika noooo), I remember that everyone was was okay where it ended, and dammit the ends justified the means

But:

Fuuuuck it's overstuffed, objectively. And my measurement of overstuffiness is: Big Musical Moments.

OFMD has these amazing sequences where the music and the action and the story all blend together in this glorious literal symphony. A normal episode has 1-2 of these sequences, and they're fucking glorious and eternal.

The finale of S2? The finale of S2 has FOUR Big Musical Moments! Five if you count Ed coming out of the water!

It's too many, it just is. There's missing links between character moments, missing plot details--it's a mess.

But I fucking love it and I'm so, so glad they rushed, because a TV season ender is a balance between the story as a whole and the investment of its watchers. Jenkins and co. decided that the investment of the watchers--and the wholeness of its charaters--was more important than the mechanics of story. And if that make you feel cheated, that's fair and that stinks. But fuck, so many stories are about the endless continuance of the characters and the ego of the creators--it's pretty damn amazing to feel like the fans (*cough* of the main arc *cough*) are valued and the creators are less important than getting to a place where it's ok to end.

The last line of this show might be "fuck that's strong!" "maybe we just air it out a bit..."

And that's actually okay. And it is, somehow, beautiful.

But goddamnit, JUST FIVE MORE MINUTES and that episode would have been PERFECT...

I was today years old when I (ACCIDENTALLY) found out Rob Thomas actually killed Logan Echolls. And I don't know how to function now.

This is now the second fandom that I’ve been in where the fans went in to a long awaited season THRILLED that their ship had finally come in, and left it stunned and heartbroken. And let me tell those of you who did not watch Veronica Mars, that first time was truly awful.

I don’t mind spoilers (actually appreciate knowing them if something bad is coming) so I started seeing the season 2 reactions when I was only 2/3 done with the season. It felt familiar in an awful way - “heartbroken, gutted, can’t believe he did this to us”. I was terrified. So when I was sad at the end of the season but not hysterical like I was post VMars season 4, I was pretty relieved.

But the wonderful thing to watch has been the different reaction as the fandom had time to process it. Post VMars season 4, we were mad and we just got madder. The more we thought about it, the more we realized how badly written it was, and how cruel and out of character Veronica was. We felt betrayed. We spent weeks crying and raging as a fandom and then just walked away from this thing most of us had loved for decades. 4 years later I still can’t watch any Kristen Bell shows without getting upset.

By contrast, as the GO fandom has processed, people are realizing that this was heartbreaking, but it made sense. I will always be mad that their kiss was like that (and hope to hell we find out later that that was not their first kiss), but the relationship and character arcs were supported. It has made us more desperate to see more, not less.

So everyone, watch, watch, and watch some more! Leave it running in the background! We need to give Neil the chance to give us (and them!) the happy ending.

Of course, it probably helped that GO didn’t kill off half the ship.

Ok, you know what, no more fighting for shows that got cancelled too soon. Because all they do is get renewed just to kill off the most beloved character.

Season 2 era Logan