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"The Republic: Plato's Timeless Exploration of Justice, Politics, and the Philosopher's Quest"
"The Republic," translated by Benjamin Jowett, stands as a timeless cornerstone in the philosophical canon, an intellectual odyssey that navigates the intricate landscapes of justice, politics, and the philosopher's pursuit of truth. Penned by Plato in the 4th century BCE, this Socratic dialogue remains a foundational work in political philosophy, ethics, and metaphysics. Jowett's translation, undertaken in the 19th century, preserves the essence of Plato's probing inquiries and dialectical brilliance, allowing readers to engage with the profound ideas that continue to shape the foundations of Western thought.
Plato's magnum opus unfolds as a series of dialogues, primarily led by Socrates, engaging with various interlocutors. The central exploration revolves around the question of justice, which becomes a metaphorical vessel for the examination of the ideal state, the role of individuals within society, and the nature of knowledge itself. The allegory of the cave, the tripartite division of the soul, and the philosopher-king are just a few facets of this multifaceted work that have reverberated through the corridors of academia for centuries.
The dialogue begins with an inquiry into the nature of justice as Socrates engages with characters like Thrasymachus, Glaucon, and Adeimantus. The discourse takes a dramatic turn as Plato introduces the allegory of the cave, an enduring metaphor for the journey from ignorance to enlightenment. This vivid imagery captures the transformative power of education and the philosopher's duty to ascend from the shadows of ignorance into the illuminating realm of true knowledge.
"The Republic" also ventures into the construction of an ideal state, led by philosopher-kings who possess both intellectual acumen and a commitment to the common good. Plato's vision challenges conventional notions of governance and explores the intricacies of a society governed by wisdom rather than mere political expediency. The dialogue delves into the organization of classes, the role of education, and the philosopher's ability to perceive the ultimate Form of the Good.
Benjamin Jowett's translation captures the nuances of Plato's intricate prose while maintaining accessibility for modern readers. His careful rendering of Socratic dialogues preserves the conversational tone and intellectual rigor that characterize the original work. Jowett's translation, though dated, remains widely used and respected, emphasizing the enduring appeal and significance of "The Republic" across generations.
"The Republic" is not merely an exploration of political theory; it is a profound meditation on the human condition. Plato's insights into the nature of knowledge, the complexities of justice, and the philosopher's role in society transcend the historical and cultural contexts in which they were conceived. The work prompts readers to question the foundations of their beliefs, to examine the societal structures they inhabit, and to consider the eternal pursuit of wisdom as a guiding principle.
In conclusion, "The Republic" by Plato, in Benjamin Jowett's translation, is a philosophical masterpiece that continues to shape the intellectual landscape. Its profound inquiries into justice, governance, and the nature of reality invite readers to embark on a philosophical journey that transcends time. The enduring relevance of Plato's ideas, coupled with Jowett's insightful translation, ensures that "The Republic" remains an indispensable text for anyone seeking a deeper understanding of the complexities of human existence and the perennial quest for a just society.
Plato's "The Republic" is available in Amazon in paperback 16.99$ and hardcover 24.99$ editions.
Number of pages: 471
Language: English
Rating: 10/10
Link of the book!
Review By: King's Cat
#Plato#The Republic#Socratic dialogue#Benjamin Jowett#Political philosophy#Ethics#Metaphysics#Ideal state#Justice#Knowledge#Allegory of the cave#Tripartite division of the soul#Philosopher-king#Thrasymachus#Glaucon#Adeimantus#Education#Allegory#Ideal society#Common good#Organization of classes#Form of the Good#Intellectual acumen#Political expediency#Conversational tone#Intellectual rigor#Human condition#Philosophical journey#Wisdom#Historical context
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Not to be a dick, but the questions that Socrates asked Thrasymachus were kind of leading. Like, I agree with Socrates' arguments, but it felt like he was corralling Thrasymachus into only being able to give answers that would support his side.
#I've only read Book I so far#don't judge me#plato#socrates#thrasymachus#the republic#political philosophy
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"The Republic: Plato's Timeless Exploration of Justice, Politics, and the Philosopher's Quest"
"The Republic," translated by Benjamin Jowett, stands as a timeless cornerstone in the philosophical canon, an intellectual odyssey that navigates the intricate landscapes of justice, politics, and the philosopher's pursuit of truth. Penned by Plato in the 4th century BCE, this Socratic dialogue remains a foundational work in political philosophy, ethics, and metaphysics. Jowett's translation, undertaken in the 19th century, preserves the essence of Plato's probing inquiries and dialectical brilliance, allowing readers to engage with the profound ideas that continue to shape the foundations of Western thought.
Plato's magnum opus unfolds as a series of dialogues, primarily led by Socrates, engaging with various interlocutors. The central exploration revolves around the question of justice, which becomes a metaphorical vessel for the examination of the ideal state, the role of individuals within society, and the nature of knowledge itself. The allegory of the cave, the tripartite division of the soul, and the philosopher-king are just a few facets of this multifaceted work that have reverberated through the corridors of academia for centuries.
The dialogue begins with an inquiry into the nature of justice as Socrates engages with characters like Thrasymachus, Glaucon, and Adeimantus. The discourse takes a dramatic turn as Plato introduces the allegory of the cave, an enduring metaphor for the journey from ignorance to enlightenment. This vivid imagery captures the transformative power of education and the philosopher's duty to ascend from the shadows of ignorance into the illuminating realm of true knowledge.
"The Republic" also ventures into the construction of an ideal state, led by philosopher-kings who possess both intellectual acumen and a commitment to the common good. Plato's vision challenges conventional notions of governance and explores the intricacies of a society governed by wisdom rather than mere political expediency. The dialogue delves into the organization of classes, the role of education, and the philosopher's ability to perceive the ultimate Form of the Good.
Benjamin Jowett's translation captures the nuances of Plato's intricate prose while maintaining accessibility for modern readers. His careful rendering of Socratic dialogues preserves the conversational tone and intellectual rigor that characterize the original work. Jowett's translation, though dated, remains widely used and respected, emphasizing the enduring appeal and significance of "The Republic" across generations.
"The Republic" is not merely an exploration of political theory; it is a profound meditation on the human condition. Plato's insights into the nature of knowledge, the complexities of justice, and the philosopher's role in society transcend the historical and cultural contexts in which they were conceived. The work prompts readers to question the foundations of their beliefs, to examine the societal structures they inhabit, and to consider the eternal pursuit of wisdom as a guiding principle.
In conclusion, "The Republic" by Plato, in Benjamin Jowett's translation, is a philosophical masterpiece that continues to shape the intellectual landscape. Its profound inquiries into justice, governance, and the nature of reality invite readers to embark on a philosophical journey that transcends time. The enduring relevance of Plato's ideas, coupled with Jowett's insightful translation, ensures that "The Republic" remains an indispensable text for anyone seeking a deeper understanding of the complexities of human existence and the perennial quest for a just society.
Plato's "The Republic" is available in Amazon in paperback 16.99$ and hardcover 24.99$ editions.
Number of pages: 471
Language: English
Rating: 10/10
Link of the book!
Review By: King's Cat
#Plato#The Republic#Socratic dialogue#Benjamin Jowett#Political philosophy#Ethics#Metaphysics#Ideal state#Justice#Knowledge#Allegory of the cave#Tripartite division of the soul#Philosopher-king#Thrasymachus#Glaucon#Adeimantus#Education#Allegory#Ideal society#Common good#Organization of classes#Form of the Good#Intellectual acumen#Political expediency#Conversational tone#Intellectual rigor#Human condition#Philosophical journey#Wisdom#Historical context
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enjolras’s and grantaire really Are the people who won’t stfu in intro philosophy that everyone hates huh
#socrates and thrasymachus dupes#can you tell i’m in college taking a philosophy class#this was indeed what i was thinking about in class#paying thousands so i can think about minor characters in an old as books and giggle during class time#anyways this has been said already#les mierables#les mis#grantaire#enjolras#enjoltaire#victor hugo#would enjolras suck socrates dick? discuss
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do you think thrasymachus and socrates ever explored each other's bodies
#mod felix#i'm saying this here because i can't say it in the chat for the tutorial i'm doing#but there's a line in the republic where thrasymachus blushes and people are discussing it and this was. my first thought!
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Dni if you think justice is the advantage of the stronger
Dni if you think justice is doing good to your friends and evil to your enemies
#fuck you thrasymachus#and fuck you polemarchus#live from platos cave#philosophy#those with tyrannic souls dni#republic of plato
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im 20 pages into the republic and so far its just been a chronical of sick burns
#''having —like a bath attendant— emptied this great flood of words into our ears all at once#Thrasymachus was thinking of leaving.'' LMAOO#another favorite is umm#''Tell me Socrates— do you still have a wet nurse?''#''what is that? shouldn't you be giving answers rather than asking such things?''#''Because she is letting you run around snicelung and doesn't wipe your nose when you need it.'' HELPPPPPPPP#*sniveling LOL SORRY GOT EXCITED AND . TYPOS#daisy.txt
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I'm enlisting in the war on Socrates on the side of Thrasymachus
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The truth is always good, isn’t it, even if it is uncomfortable? And lies, real lies, can’t ever be good in the long run, can they?
Thrasymachus (ca. 459-400 BCE)
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just a few quotes from ancient greeks that definitely seem to indicate that they considered the macedonians /not/ greek:
diodorus: “ From Europe, the Greek cities AND the Macedonians also sent embassies, as well as the Illyrians and most of those who dwell about the Adriatic Sea, the Thracian peoples and even those of their neighbors the Gauls, whose people became known then first in the Greek world.”
plutarch: “I by no means assent to Demaratus of Corinth, who said that those Greeks lost a great satisfaction that did not live to see Alexander sit on the throne of Darius. That sight should rather have drawn tears from them, when they considered that they have left the glory to Alexander and the Macedonians, whilst they spent all their own great commanders in playing them against each other in the fields of Leuctra, Coronea, Corinth, and Arcadia."
thucydides: “In all there were about three thousand Hellenic heavy infantry, accompanied by all the Macedonian cavalry with the Chalcidians, near one thousand strong, besides an immense crowd of barbarians.”
agelaus of naupactus (according to polybius): “Wherefore, I beseech you all to be on your guard against the danger of the crisis, and above all you, O King. You will do this, if you abandon the policy of weakening the Greeks, and thus rendering them an easy prey to the invader; and consult on the contrary for their good as you would for your own person, and have a care for all parts of Greece alike, as part and parcel of your own domains. If you act in this spirit, the Greeks will be your warm friends and faithful coadjutors in all your undertakings; while foreigners will be less ready to form designs against you, seeing with dismay the firm loyalty of the Greeks.”
thrasymachus: “Shall we become slaves to Archelaus, Greeks as we are, to a barbarian?”
herodotus tells us an account where both a macedonian and a spartan envoy ask the athenians for help (the macedonians asking them to side with the persians, the spartans asking them to reject the macedonians/persians) and after the macedonian made his case the spartan rebuttals with: "Do not let Alexander's smooth-sounding version of Mardonius' proposals seduce you; he does only what one might expect of him--a despot himself, of course he collaborates with a despot. But such conduct is not for you - at least, not if you are wise; for surely you know that in foreigners there is neither truth nor trust."
pausanias: “I have already said in my history of Attica that the defeat at Chaeronea was a disaster for all the Greeks"
now i don’t have anything against ancient macedonians. i am not only conveying what seems to me to be the sentiment ancient greeks had toward them.
personally, i find macedonians interesting. i think they were quasi-greek. they were within the greek sphere of influence. and they probably adopted a lot of greek culture. they definitely seemed to admire greek culture and their elites modelled themselves on them. and i’d probably even be willing to believe their elites were actually greek. it’s not that crazy to me to think that some greeks a long time ago colonized macedonia. but they also seemed to have become a bit colonized themselves. because while they shared a lot of culture with the greeks it seems they also had a number of cultural differences.
and i think macedonians are important in creating a unified greece and a panhellenic ideology and all that and that’s priceless. i honestly think there’s a lot of interesting things to say about that.
but still. to me it seems pretty clear the ancient greeks considered macedonians /non/-greeks.
but i’m open to evidence saying otherwise.
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The Republic by Plato is honestly so interesting so far
im thorughly enjoying and reflecting on this debate between Socrates and thrasymachus about the role of justice and injustice in the world.
if you have any interest in philosophy and politics this book is honestly amazing so far.
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Thrasymachus is a beautiful name for a baby girl
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[D. "We share a world when we are awake, each sleeper is in a world of his own." This Heraclitean theme runs through the whole of literature and philosophy - cont'd]
[1. Novalis, more than anyone, was close to this theme and tried ceaselessly to capture it in a mythic expression - cont'd]
[b. The dream experience cannot be isolated from its ethical content because it restores the movement of freedom in its authentic meaning - cont'd]
ii. This is the meaning referred to by Plato in Book Ten of the Republic, and not, in some pre-Freudian fashion, secret manifestations of instinct [as if our behavior were
not original, in a world of effects
but derivative, predetermined by a nature of emplacements].
Indeed, the wise man does not have the same dreams as
the man of violence
the "tyrannical" man, governed by the tyranny of his desires and open to the political tyranny of the first Thrasymachus on the scene
the man of desire who dreams of impudence and folly
But when:
"a man of sound and disciplined character, before he goes to sleep,
has awakened his reason...,
has neither starved nor indulged his desires, so that they sink to rest and don't plague the higher part of him...
has calmed... his spirited dement so that he goes to sleep onthout anger at anyone
thus going to rest with
appetite and spirit quieted
while his reasoning part is stimulated
then he is better than ever in a state to grasp the truth in visions in his dreams undisturbed by wrong doing."
– Michel Foucault, Dream, Imagination and Existence: An Introduction to Ludwig Binswanger's Le rêve et l'existence (part III: Nihil magnum somnianti [Nothing too great to be dreamt by the dreamer]—Cicero), 1954, translated by Forrest Williams
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POV: you’ve just defined justice as the advantage of the strong
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Thrasymachus is a little bitch
#philosophy#personal rant#if I ever have to write another essay on the republic it will be too soon#why are philosophers so fixated on this book#it’s everywhere
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