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fuckblizzardbearlover · 5 years

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people like to act like Thrall deliberately put the Horde in the hands of a mad king, looking at the events of cataclysm and pandaria with 20/20 hindsight. completely ignoreing the context of the situation. So for those who dont know, this is how it went, From “The Shattering”. It addresses: Why he didnt choose Cairne, why he had to pick an Orc, Why it was Garrosh, Why it wouldnt fail, why it might go badly, why that doesnt matter when the world is at risk, and the thing Thrall is hated most for, the horrible, ‘evil’ action of having faith in someone becoming a better person.

Yes Thrall bears the RESPONSIBILITY of giving power to Garrosh but he is NOT responsible for Garrosh’s actions, Garrosh is. And Jaina does have every right to hold him accountable, because he DID make this decision having faith that things would be ok, but realizing that even if he was WRONG about Garrosh that the war that would ensue would mean a loss of life far greater than...the entire planet being destroyed. So yes, Thrall did put the lives of billions over the lives of thousands, and the people who died have every right to resent him for it. But frankly the responsibility of warchief should never been forced upon such a young and broken man.

“He closed his eyes for a moment. handing over control of the Horde that he had founded was like entrusting the care of a loved child to another. What if something went wrong?

But something WAS going wrong. terribly wrong. Another would have to lead the Horde for a time. He nodded his head once, firmly , and felt his soul and heart settle somewhat. Yes, this was the right thing do do. There was no longer a question of if he should go, or even when-as soon as possible. The only question that remained was to whom would he surrender care of this loved ‘child”

HIs first thought was Cairne. His oldest friend here in Kalimdor, Cairne and he thought alike on many things. He was wise and ruled his people well. But Thrall, like Cairne himself, knew there were those who thought him old fashioned and out of touch with what was needed. If there was slight unrest in the form of the Grimtotem in Cairne’s own city, then there would surely be unrest and murmuring if Thrall appointed an elderly tauren to lead the Horde now.

No, Cairne would definitely have a part to play, but it could not be as the role of leader. An orc would be better. One the people knew and liked already.

Thrall sighed deeply. The perfect choice was one he could not have-Saufang the Younger. Youthful, charismatic, and yet wise beyond his years, he had been the brightest star in the sky of Horde warriors before the Lich King had slain him. His father, though not quite broken, had been emotionally devastated by the recent events. Too, the orc was to old, as was Cairne, as was the deeply trusted Eitrigg. Thrall realized that there could only be one choice, and he made a sour expression.

There was only one who could do it. Only one who was young and vibrant, who was well known and loved, who was a warrior without equal. Only one who could on such short notice bring the disparate factions of the Horde together and keep their spirits high and proud.

A perfect Figurehead.

Thrall’s glower deepened. Yes, Garrosh was loved and a fine fighter, but he was also rash and impulsive. Thrall was about to deliver him the ultimate power. A word floated to his mind, “usurper”, but he did not truly believe such a thing would happen. Garrosh needed something to placate an ego as mammoth as his legend-an ego that Thrall now realized he might have unwittingly helped to inflate. He had been concerned when he learned that Garrosh despised his father, and had wanted to show the son of Gromm that Hellscream had done great good. But perhaps he might have made Grom look better than he was. If so , then the younger Hellscream’s arrogance might be, at least in part, due to Thrall himself. He had not been able to save Grom’s life; he had hoped to inspire and guide his son.

Still, Eitrigg would be there to temper Garrosh, as would Cairne, if Thrall asked it of his old friends. Thrall would not be gone long. Let Garrosh sit in his place temporarily in Grommash Hold, with Cairne and Eitrigg on either side. If the rumors were true, Garrosh had already tipped his hand with the ashenvale incident, and Thrall knew Cairne would sit on the orc before he’d let anything like that get by him, now that he knew to be watchful of it. There wouldnt be a lot that Garrosh could do, really, to harm the Horde and--thrall had to admit--there was much Garrosh COULD do to inspire it.

Their leader would be gone. They would be worried and afraid. Garrosh would remind them that they were proud and fierce and unconquerable, and the Horde would cheer and be content until Thrall returned with the real answers to the problems that besieged them. Calm the land, and all would have a chance to become better. Ignore the land, the elements, and no glorious victory in battle could ever make up for the disasters that would inevitably follow

Yes thrall made a mistake..because he isnt magic, cant see the future and , god forbid, had faith in someone. by the end of cataclysm Garrosh had already gone to far and couldnt simply ‘come back’ without political strife. He chose to have faith that while there would be political unrest and even war that it was inevitable. One of the primary themes around this is the fact that Thrall has been aware, in each book he’s in , that he is an outsider. raised by humans he doesnt have the mindset of his people. the reason the orcs loved Garrosh so much was because he pushed imperialist ideas like they loved. In this book he even tells jaina that his people are prone to violence and that when desperation comes they are more than willing to do so. As a child slave and someone who didnt grow up with parents he started to think that maybe it was wrong to try to force his ideas, those of an unorcish orc, on his orc people. Maybe it was wrong to just...let them be as savage as they want. but to be frank, i disagree. its unfair to ask one man to bear the burden of the violence and prejudice of millions of people. if the Horde, between the imperialist orcs, the prejudiced and haughty elves , and the plotting forsaken (or rather, sylvanas’s cult), if they Want so desperately to be free of Thrall, then he should give them what they want.

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wowheadquarters · 5 years

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Their reaction to Warbringers: Sylvanas

For a lovable anon. This is the first list released after this blog hit the 1000 followers milestone, so welcome the now-residing leaders of the Allied Races. (They might be shuffled around in the list before I find a place where they, well, fit.) Anyway, now this whole lot sees Sylvanas’ Warbringer cinematic, so what do they say?

Anduin: Well, uhhh... Ceertainly it is a lot... moving.

Ghost Varin: Cool statement, still evil.

The Council of Three Hammers:

Muradin: I liked the heroic slide she did, though. Moira: Oh, now I understand. She is a mother to all the Forsaken! I would do... well, not same but similar in her place. Falstad: Am I the only one who feels bad for the destroyed flowers?

Tyrande: (Angry muttering which ends with:) ...and the Undercity will burn brighter and warmer and I will roast her and eat her flesh with soy sauce!

Mekkatorque: Death of 80 % of your people and being thorough hell is no excuse for turning out as a horrible person bringing demise and suffering to millions. If I can’t, then Windrunner can’t either.

Velen: The hope still prevails. Sylvanas will eventually learn of her mistake or die. Seeing Highpriestess Whisperwind, my bet is on the “die”.

Genn: HEINOUS CREATURE! SHE WILL- uhh... burn?

Tyrande: I WILL BURN HER TO ASHES AND THEN I WILL BURN THE ASHES!

Aysa: I cannot argue with Warchief Windrunner’s flawed logic, but the whole thing with Teldrassil still wasn’t necessary. Or wanted.

Alleria: Oh sister. Oh my dear, poor sister.

Turalyon: What, pray tell, the fuck happened while I was gone???

Jaina: I think her cinematic is better than mine. It has more storytelling.

Thrall: Hey, Sylva, do you want a hug or something? I mean, if you have some trauma, you can always talk about it to me.

Spirit of Vol’jin: Is dat just me or is Sylvanas actin’ as if she was possessed?

Ghost Garrosh: Dude, aren’t you the one who let her be in charge? Spirit of Vol’jin: Uh, the loa told me to do dat. Ghost Garrosh: Are you, like, sure it was the loa? Spirit of Vol’jin: Now when ya talk ‘bout dat...

Baine: Oh, now if you excuse my Thalassian, fuck.

Sylvanas: Now you all understand?

Lor'themar: There wasn’t a time I lacked understanding of you and your rage, Sylvanas. Just... Don’t burn the other half of the Silvermoon, please? It’s not our fault we made it out alive, but we’d prefer to stay alive.

Gallywix: ...I could make a religion out of this.

Ji: That poor mother!

Thalyssra: Humans are... awful. Whole Azeroth is awful, in fact.

Mayla: (Is taking lore notes)

Geya’rah: I have a question: why would a ranger slide on her knees to engage in a meelee combat?

Talanji: I should say something nice here. The animation is beautiful. I love how it looks like watercolours. I like watercolours. Maybe the Warchief and I could paint together?

Taedal: Hey, is Sylvanas finally wearing an actual armor? That’s hella cool. And hella sexy...

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airanke · 5 years

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I can't remember, but i think it was you who said you were changing Wows storyline (not that I blame you lol) but I'm curious what it is? I'm mostly writing excerpts for my characters during Legion and I've been thinking a bit on what they'll be up to during Bfa. I'm debating changing some things to fit my version of bfa lol

Yes, it WAS PROBABLY ME.

I’m changing it specifically for Amita’s “canon” story (Lascivious Ophidian, as I’ve named it). She follows WoW storyline pretty closely up until the beginning of Legion.

Umm because I’m long winded, I’ll put it all under the cut!

[Pre-post Edit]: Also I’m really sorry, I JUST finished typing it all and uh. It’s long. Ahahahah;;;;

Some of my points below are subject to change but I’ll give you the gist of the differing things that happen in Lascivious Ophidian vs. Canon WoW.

Vol’jin and Varian not dying (now, I know Varian dying is important to Anduin’s development, but you don’t need to kill a parental figure to push forward a child. BNHA is a very good example of not needing to KILL the mentor to push forward the student, same can be applicable to Anduin and Varian). Sylvanas actually uses her quick reflexes and her experience as the previous ranger general of Quel’thalas to fire an arrow at the fel guard before it can stab Vol’jin (also I won’t go into how BS it was that he died of Fel Poisoning, but I won’t do that here LOL). If Blizzard wants to write “strong women”, they can start with actually having them use their skills to help their allies (cuz don’t get me started on how Jaina just disappears from the Alliance cinematic along with Mekkatorque so that Blizz can milk the whole Genn / Varian scene).

Quickly following this, Varian and Vol’jin fight the Fel Reaver together while Sylv / Jaina more or less team up to evacuate all Horde / Alliance fighters. Some ofc refuse to leave their High King / Warchief, and both women also provide long range support. Baine has to carry Thrall off battle because Thrall is completely spent. Eventually Vol’jin and Varian take down the Fel Reaver, but not before both of Vol’jin’s tusks break (he loses one to some trash mob that he needs to dodge with little time to think about it - the other he loses because Varian notices that Vol’jin is now off-balance with one tusk missing and listen, Vol’jin has big tusks, bigger than how I draw them, so he’s off-center because of that. This leads to Varian running toward Vol’jin with a hand out, Vol’jin nicks his tusk and in a moment of absolute trust, Vol’jin lowers his head enough to let Varian grab, and snap his tusk. And then kill something with it. Because that’s badass).

Varian unfortunately gets either his spine broken or knocked out (haven’t decided yet) and Vol’jin has to carry him to safety because he’s down for the count, and right before Gul’dan can Do Some Bad Shit the Aspects show up with a large force of dragons. Gul’dan nopes the fuck out. Khadgar manages to make it over to and teleport the remaining people to safety (not sure what entirely happens to Amita during this yet, I originally had her scripted to throw her all into making a wall of roots and get left behind, but I already have a plot similar to that with her disappearing for three years and Vol’jin Will Not Lose Her Again so… that’s still up in the air. She’s present during Broken Shore, though).

Then, instead of leaving cuz she’s Angery at the Horde, Jaina instead recognizes that she still has trauma / pain from what the Horde did to Theramore, and then Dalaran (kinda sorta) during Garrosh’s reign. So she leaves Dalaran to Khadgar because she’s like “y’know what, I can’t bring myself to trust the entire Horde again yet, if you want them in Dalaran, then I can’t be here, in Dalaran. I still need time to heal” something like that. Everyone is understanding of this and doesn’t try to make her stay, and Amita does what she can to help her BFF find some solitude. Something along those lines. Cuz y’know Jaina’s anger and distrust toward the Horde is still valid and understandable, but Blizz REALLY needs to do better with nuance instead of having characters Rage Quit every ten seconds.

Most of Legion stuff otherwise is normal, with the whole class hall thing (the Dreamgrove, in Amita’s case), Genn still pursues Sylvanas into Stormheim but instead of destroying her chance to enslave Eyir, Vol’jin pulls a hard stop on that plan. She rage-vents at Vol’jin about it and he claps back that she never actually asked him if she could go off on this little personal mission of hers, and so robs Genn of the closure he needs in regards to Liam’s death (this is important for another plot point I have further down). Vol’jin promises that he’ll help her find a way to sustain her people through more natural means (l i t e r a l l y). So Vol’jin and Sylv have a pretty strong bond, and also because Sylv actually follows the development Blizz was giving her up until Teldrassil happened, which was her developing past her obsession with keeping ONLY the Forsaken alive (re: “we are the Forsaken, we will slaughter anyone who stands in our way”), and starts to care about the Horde and wanting to keep the Horde alive (which was still hinted at until, y’know, recent shit which I don’t understand).

Argus related stuff is pretty much the same.

Sargeras still stabs Azeroth, and so there’s Azerite everywhere, and Vol’jin is entirely unamused by Gallywix because the Azerite shows Vol’jin a vision that Bwonsamdi has shown him before, so he just shrugs it off, because Vol’jin doesn’t care about becoming the ultimate legendary saviour all-powerful all-mighty whatever the fuck. Silithus is pretty similar but after some ACTUAL TALKING, Vol’jin and Anduin agree to split who harvests Azerite from where so that Horde miners aren’t being killed and Alliance troops aren’t being killed in retaliation (Vol’jin sends Sylv to “deal with” the problem at first, and then has a chat with Anduin to p much show Anduin that “every action has a reaction, did you really expect me to loaf around while you killed my miners?”) Yeah. Learning moment yay.

As for BfA, instead of Teldrassil being burned down by Sylvanas (because she obvs CAN’T do that since Vol’jin is warchief and he would fucking never), Genn is the one behind it. So Sylv WANTS to march on Teldrassil because she doesn’t believe the peace between the Alliance and Horde will last. Vol’jin, while agreeing that it would, in fact, be smart to attack Teldrassil, tells Sylv “no, we can make this work. Sure, peace might not last forever, but so long as I’m in charge, I can make it work. We’ll start with Ashenvale. We’ll start with having our druids restore what we’ve taken”. Sylv eventually agrees that this is a good idea, so then stuff between the Horde and the Nelves is a bit better.

Now, I haven’t ironed out EXACTLY how I get to Genn making the decision to burn down Teldrassil, but he’s very consumed by his anger toward Sylvanas (re: him not getting his chance to ruin HER chance at getting a future for her people because Vol’jin both ruins that chance and proposes an alternative - more or less leading into Forsaken learning druidic magic so that they can use plantlife to sustain and heal their bodies, and we get the orcs of Draenor, so there are other rituals that can be put in place of… FUCKING VALKYR. Please note this is also something else that I’m still working on, but I find it frustrating that we just always forget that the Horde has druids and shamans and there are other ways to preserve the Forsaken than the Blight. Because perhaps Sylv is just going to have to make due with what she has, and IDK ACTUALLY TALK TO HER PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM A CHOICE AND SHIT. Sylv is p much driven by fear of death when you think about it LMAO).

Anyway, Genn burns down Teldrassil but also does it in such a way that the Nelves still blame the Horde. Malfurion has an inkling that Vol’jin wasn’t behind it because he / Sylv / Saurfang show up when they get wind that this is happening and apparently it was Horde troops and the LOOK VOL’JIN WOULD GIVE SYLVANAS AND THE PANIC IN HER FACE LMAO anyway, Genn had made the mistake of capturing a druid, who quickly escaped Worgen eyes and went right to the Dreamgrove, and then immediately went to Amita to tell her what was happening, so Amita immediately goes to Darnassus and starts evacuating people and basically she barely manages to escape in her dragon form and Sylv and her Forsaken pull Amita and a lot of the civillians out of the water yaddyadda fun stuff.

Sylv immediately knows that Genn did this because he wanted an excuse for the Alliance to march on the Undercity, and yeah, kinda goes from there with Undercity plot, and Vol’jin allows Sylv to use the last of the Blight to Blight the Undercity, because there’s no way Sylv will let the Alliance take away her people’s home from them, esp not since they WERE the humans who had lived and died there.

Anyway, my BfA stuff is still kind of a mess becuase while I absolutely loathe Genn’s guts, I don’t want his decision to burn Teldrassil to be on a whim, or to seem non-tactical (personally I thought it would be interesting if Teldrassil was an inside job because then it would be taking away the Horde’s chance to turn it into a Horde stronghold, kind of like how I interpreted Sylv’s choice to Blight the Undercity as her taking away the Alliance’s chance to turn UC into an Alliance stronghold, y’know?)

ALTERNATIVELY I CAN ALWAYS THROW THE TWILIGHT’S HAMMER IN THERE BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE THEM MORE PROMINENCE ANYWAY BECAUSE BLIZZ ALWAYS FORGETS ABOUT THEIR OTHER VILLAIN FACTIONS IN FAVOR OF RED VS BLUE FOR SOME REASON THAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND and I already have an incredibly high ranking Twilight’s Hammer lady in the works, she’s v horny and frisky all the time but she will destroy you make no mistake.

Cuz then Genn could just try to pin it on the Horde anyway, and like… what you gonna’ do bout that, it’s a fire, it will burn all the evidence anyway. Genn’s word against Vol’jin’s. Depending on who you talk to, will depend on who they’re more inclined to believe, no?

I’d go into more but it’s SO MUCH, so I’ll just list a few other things (this is only Horde side related because I STILL haven’t finished Alliance side, my apologies):

Shadra does not die.

Rezan does not die, but is out of commission for a while, therefore still allowing Zul to take over the city.

Mythrax is killed before he can destroy the third seal.

Rastakhan does not die in the Raid on Dazar’alor, for multiple reasons I won’t go into.

He does however step down as king so that he can mentor his daughter, and because he’s ready to let himself die if that ends up being the case.

Katherine and Rastakhan may or may not have a few years together before Rasta finally dies peacefully.

Probably some other things that I forgot, but before anyone comes after me about “reversing” these deaths, listen. From a story only standpoint, they are pointless. In regards to Shadra in particular, the ONLY REASON she even dies is because we, as the player character, cannot attack Yazma. You can bet your entire ass that Amita would go charging down there and bite off Yazma’s head (which is foreshadowed earlier in Amita’s story after Vol’dun stuff but I don’t want to spoil EVERYTHING haha!).

However, these deaths make some sense in regards to the way that Blizzard has plotted their dungeons / raids. They need Yazma to be empowered for a dungeon, just like they need Rezan to die for that same dungeon. Mythrax needs to break the third seal and live for the Uldir raid. Rastakhan needs to take on a deal with Bwonsamdi because there’s a whole death plot aspect thing in BfA and so Bwonsamdi needs to be in that position of power.

For Amita’s story, however, these deaths hold no merit, they DON’T need to happen. Technically you don’t need them to happen in game either, but I digress, I understand the decision that Blizzard made in regards to them even though I obviously strongly disagree with these decisions.

That’s kind of all I’ve got for now. I need to finish Alliance stuff because Amita DOES spend a lot of time on Kul Tiras as Jaina’s support, because Jaina just needs her BFF there to lean on, since going back to a family that thinks you were the cause behind your father’s death is not easy my dude.

#Air is long-winded AS FLYING FUCK #ALso I would say that if you want to make edits #To the WoW story for your chars #Go ahead #No one has the right to stop you #Ask Air

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chroniclerwabba · 6 years

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Anyone who knows me or has seen my blog knows that I have great issues with modern Warcraft’s storytelling. I’ve spoken at length about retcons, character inconsistencies, forced conflict, rushed development, and a lack of balancing. But the real problem with Warcraft’s story and characters is something much more than that. Those are all major issues that make up the bulk of why modern Warcraft and Blizzard have fallen off. But the real issue IMO is one that genuinely saddens me.

There are no heroes anymore.

What I mean by that is that a lot of the characters have the amazing powers like fel magic, nature, and the Light. But nobody feels like a hero, is my main problem. You have more noble and neutral characters that teeter on heroic like Anduin, Khadgar, Thrall, Tirion, Vol’jin, and Velen. But you don’t get to explore characters like Khadgar, Anduin, Vol’jin, Tirion, and Velen vastly enough to really get into their mindset of why they believe in the greater good and putting conflict aside. They just say “war is bad and we need to stop senselessly fighting each other to rebuild” and just leave it at that. They might be right, but you don’t get to see the gears turning in their heads. Tirion was much more developed in his heroic altruism, but they fridged him off at the beginning of Legion. The most we still have is Thrall, but he’s been rendered largely irrelevant to the current plot and panned by fans on account of being such a focus for so long.

Illidan is pushed prominently as a hero by Blizz, but he really isn’t. A lot of the defenses for his heroism greatly fall apart when put into proper context. He does a lot of really bad and questionable things to get his goal when there are many other more productive and effective ways to do the right thing. Everyone else has been rendered down to warmongers who want to kill the other faction and purge their people. Even Jaina, who was the poster child for Alliance heroism. She had all the right in the world to want Garrosh dead, and I backed her up all the way. But then she borders on drowning the entirety of Orgrimmar and all its civilians, including the orphaned children. Anduin has a touch more setup to being a heroic character (mostly in the expanded lore but regardless), but now he’s being railroaded into an Alliance versus Horde conflict in BFA. When they pulled this conflict back in MoP, there was at least that moment where the Alliance and Horde felt like they could make some progress, and the Horde could finally catch a break to get its shit together. Now the Horde has once again been railroaded into being the antagonistic force because of a warchief nobody trusts but for some reason is complacent with because they needed to artificially inject conflict into this story without taking more time to slowly develop it.

In Warcraft 3, there were lots of characters were heroes, and you got to actually see why they become heroes. Jaina, Uther, Medivh, Tyrande, Malfurion, Cairne, Thrall, Rexxar, Kael’thas. Even Grom and Illidan had their chances to be uplifting heroes. In modern Warcraft, everyone is a warmonger that wants to kill, enslave, destroy, and pillage either for vengeance, xenophobia, nationalism, or greed.

There’s nobody to root for. There’s nobody to believe in.

I think a lot of this is because of the shift in modern fantasy writing, where everything is grimdark war and violence. There’s nothing wrong with this necessarily, as everyone occasionally wants to check their brain at the door and roleplay and root for “deuz vult skyrim for the nords crusader man” and “zug zug lok’tar monster boy.” But all of this came at the cost of believing in goodness or something greater. It came at the cost of altruism and love. That’s why Lord of the Rings is so timeless and cherished by many, because it retains that sense of goodness, hope, belief, and the pursuit of these things for the greater good even in the face of overwhelming adversity and despair. Lord of the Rings was about finding hope and love even through war. Blizzard and many other fantasy writers forgot about this and what ultimately made the mythos work, and I believe this is why fantasy is starting to stagnate and many people I know hold less of an interest in it.

And anyone who says “it’s warcraft not peacecraft” doesn’t at all know what they’re saying. Warcraft 3 was when the series stopped being a Warhammer retool and another Tolkien-esque knockoff and became its own thing. Warcraft 3′s heroes were the Alliance, the Horde, and the kaldorei - three factions who were greatly flawed but ultimately good and trying to overcome things greater than themselves via cooperation.

The Horde had been enslaved by the Burning Legion and forced to commit mass genocide against Draenor and Outland, and their story was about Thrall leading them away from this sordid past, reclaiming their semblance of honor by fighting not only for themselves but for the greater good, and finding a place where they can build instead of destroy.

The Alliance had grown massively divided after the Second War, distrustful and going on their own. Gilneas, Stromgarde, and Quel’Thalas pulled out, their refusal to cooperate and aid one another ultimately leading to their downfall at the hands of the Scourge. Had they remained unified and worked together, more of them might be left. It was only with Jaina’s journey to Kalimdor and working with the Horde that the Alliance still lives.

The kaldorei were the ones that brought the Burning Legion to Azeroth in the first place, sundering Kalimdor into four pieces and killing millions through the class divide between the Highborne and the common kaldorei. They withdrew into Ashenvale to hide from what they did, letting Kalimdor fall into disrepair at the hands of the quillboar, harpies, and centaur. The tauren were hunted to near extinction for 1,000 years, and they had helped the kaldorei fight the Legion during the War of the Ancients. The kaldorei turned their backs on their ancient allies. Their story was about confronting what they had brought to Azeroth so many years ago and working with the others to correct their mistake, even at the cost of their own immortality.

Warcraft 3 was uplifting because you got to see how far the factions and characters came from where they started off. Nowadays, modern Warcraft has this “push me pull me” dynamic with the Alliance and Horde, only cooperating together at the last minute without anyone bothering to stop and ask why they work so well together and how much more they accomplish side by side rather than at each other’s throats. You can have a good war conflict, but it has to be paced properly, not have rushed characters, a more cohesive narrative not spread out across expanded lore, and making it less one-sided by constantly sandbagging the Horde as the antagonists and the Alliance as being so flat and pushing back.

There isn’t a Captain America or Spider-Man like hero in Warcraft. There doesn’t need to be a character that unique or ornate like those examples. But the way those characters are written and portrayed - their heroism and belief in the greater good and hope - is what helps add depth to universe ripe with conflict and is what is sorely missing from modern Warcraft.

The war part of Warcraft is not why the series was memorable. Both the fans and Blizz forgot this.

“The roots will heal in time... as will the entire world. The sacrifices have been made. Just as the orcs, humans, and night elves discarded their old hatreds and stood united against a common foe, so did Nature herself rise up to banish the Shadow... forever. As for me, I came back to ensure that there would be a future, to teach the world that it no longer needed Guardians. The hope for future generations has always resided in mortal hands. And now that my task is done, I will take my place... amongst the legends of the past.” -Medivh

#mine #long post #world of warcraft #warcraft 3 #battle for azeroth #blizzard entertainment #this explains why i write jur the way he is #warcraft #in my opinion

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wowcustodian · 6 years

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Choice is a funny thing. People are very quick to dismiss intent, citing that it doesn’t matter what you –meant- to say or do, it’s what you did that matters and for the most part I’d probably agree however I find it funny that people are so rarely interested in why something happened, only that it happened.

A few years ago I received a bit of writing advice that has stuck with me; Every good fight is a conversation.

Of course there are simple action scenes like the heroes taking on an army of guards or the villain marching through waves of soldiers but those are all still conversations, just not very complicated ones. Climactic fights however usually if done well have multiple layers to them beyond two people trying to knock the other down.

While considering this I was reminded of a very good example of this; the Garrosh vs Thrall fight from Warlords of Draenor. Now don’t get me wrong, I still think that entire expansion was a criminal waste of potential and in that very scene I went from general irritation at Thrall to outright disgust, as did many fans and it’s not hard to see why.

Thrall was already one of those characters many people wanted to just go away by this time. Admittedly he did bugger all in Mists of Pandaria which was a pleasant break after his ascendance to “This is your Messiah now” status in Cataclysm, a role that Illidan was placed into during Legion but with promises of Thrall retaking his title in Battle for Azeroth. However WoD was Thrall supposedly stepping up to take responsibility for the crimes Garrosh committed, which only came to be because Thrall made him Warchief in the first place.

The fight itself is well animated, voice acted and honestly very well done all around, as are all of Blizzard’s cutscenes in recent years. It’s the story being told within those scenes that bother me. As I said, every good fight is a conversation and Thrall and Garrosh’s debate is particularly fascinating as they’re both passionately arguing over what Garrosh has done during his time as Warchief and how it has affected the Horde in general.

Despite what some may say, to me Garrosh does seem aware that his actions have caused the Horde harm. He knows he wasn’t the best for the job, just that he was better at it than Thrall. Now this is interesting as Garrosh used to have a great deal of respect for Thrall despite the two butting heads often. I’ve heard it said that Garrosh’s main flaw was his perspective, leading the Horde as if it were still the war machine of his father’s time and not as the multicultural system of races relying on each other to survive that it had become and I tend to agree with this.

Now to my main point. Throughout their fight Garrosh proceeds to tear down the sanctimonious, self-righteous bullshit that Thrall has fabricated about this entire scenario (Can you tell whose side I’m on in this fight?) laying the blame firmly at Thrall’s feet. Thrall, who I remind you, -did- previously admit that Garrosh’s reign was his fault, utterly denies this and claims that everything was Garrosh’s choice and many fans and even Blizzard themselves seem to agree with this, that no matter what environment Garrosh was surrounded by, it’s his fault because he chose to do all of this. Yes, he did choose to antagonise the Alliance, to mistreat the Tauren and Trolls. Yes he chose to try to use the Heart of Y’shaarj as a weapon and he chose to alter history to rally the Iron Horde for an invasion. I’m not going to deny the terrible things he did however for Thrall to say that it is entirely Garrosh’s own fault is simply wrong and using him as a scapegoat for the blame that lies on his own shoulders.

And you can tell at least someone at Blizzard knows this. The way the scene was written and especially the way Patrick Seitz voiced Garrosh, it’s obvious some people on the production team knew Thrall deserves more of the blame than he was willing to accept.

Garrosh was forced into a position of power he did not want, his only mentor and the one person he trusted the guidance of most abandoned him to people like Cairne and Vol’jin who, while both were wise, had also made it perfectly clear they did not like Garrosh nor want him as Warchief. Of course he wasn’t going to feel comfortable coming to them for advice. Garrosh has always been insecure and it was Thrall who brought out his pride but with Thrall gone Garrosh was left feeling alone and in a position of immense pressure and scrutiny and during the time of the Cataclysm where the Horde was struggling already. He did the best he could with what he had. Yes he made mistakes but those mistakes are just as much Thrall’s responsibility as they are his own. This is symbolically proven as Thrall loses the fight, his own arguments not being able to stand up to Garrosh’s onslaught because Thrall simply has no valid arguments to offer. It’s then that Thrall cheats at the Mak’gora. And make no mistake, he –does- cheat. I’ve heard people try to justify what Thrall did but by the rules of Mak’gora, using a form of magic, a weapon that his opponent did not have, gives Thrall an unfair advantage and thus he cheated. I’ve also heard the argument that it was alright because Thrall only agreed to Mak’gora to get Garrosh into a duel, with every intention of killing him with whatever means was needed. That not only doesn’t disprove him cheating, it also makes Thrall a liar, lumping more dishonour onto him. He cheats because Garrosh is right and the only course Thrall has is to ignore the debate altogether, to refuse to even consider that he is wrong and thus Garrosh has no possible way of breaking through Thrall’s wilful ignorance

What genuinely disgusts me about Thrall as a character is not only him cheating but the final line of their fight. Garrosh rightly points out that Thrall made him into what he is, that everything Garrosh has become, everything he did was entirely because of Thrall’s own actions…and Thrall point blankly denies this, again turning all the blame back onto Garrosh before ending his life, not even granting Garrosh an honourable death. Thrall did not deserve to win that fight. Garrosh outmatched him physically and verbally.

Again I must reiterate that I am not acting as an apologist for Garrosh, I’m not saying he should not have been punished or even that he shouldn’t have been killed. His actions –were- his own, the crimes he committed, the atrocities performed under his rule of the Horde deserved punishment but if Garrosh is to be so vehemently despised for what the Horde became, the deaths of the Darkspear, the Bloodhoof, the destruction of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms then Thrall deserves at the very least a good chunk of that blame too. Garrosh was his responsibility and he refused to accept an ounce of that responsibility.

#warcraft #warlords of draenor #garrosh hellscream #thrall

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simon-newman · 7 years

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So I am finally catching up in Warcraft’s Legion content (took me a while due to work/life/Overwatch).

Above everything else I have to say this - I left WoW after the Wrath of the Lich King and saw them do the first cutscenes like the Fall of the Lich King.

Blizzard improved a lot when it comes to making those.

At this point it seems almost unreal that this is the same game - the way they animate new cutscenes and the way they handle storytelling now is worlds apart (no pun intended).

But this is not the only thing I want to touch here.

What I want to mention is the Kingdom of the Edge. As in - the entirety of edgelords, edgedukes and other nobles of the edge I see on the Internet and what a bunch of hypocrites those guys are.

And I feel proud to stand where I do - as the member of the Alliance. I was an “ally” before and an “ally” I shall stay till the very end.

So.

Why do I consider the opposite faction - the Horde - to be the Kingdom of the Edge?

Because they (not only them but looking at forums I see 9/10 of edginess comes from Horde players) can’t seem to be happy with any character getting focus other than their faction leaders - especially Sylvanas.

Looking at the comments under this video you’ll also notice how many people will claim that Sylvanas won here and could have killed Genn if she wanted to and he couldn’t kill her.

Disregard the fact that Genn actually accomplished what he intended to do in the first place and didn’t care for his own safety.

But I am digressing.

Sylvannas is fan-favorite and no matter what she does is going to be justified by the fans.

She’s been dead TWICE (thrice if you count the original death) and came back every time due to deus ex machina.

She’s the most edgy, rebel-outcast of the Horde. The forsaken are the mistrusted, misunderstood faction, etc.

No.

They are genocidal abominations who screwed the Horde over a few times over and got away with it.

On multiple occasions Sylvanas pursued her own goals and it came back to bite the entire Horde in the ass.

“Well. Garrosh made her do bad things.”

And he still mistrusted her as well - she disobeyed his orders and used the plague to perform a genocide of Gillneas. It was her arrow that killed Prince Liam and she felt no remorse.

She began as an avenger who hated what she became (an undead) and evolved into a she-witch who seeks immortality to herself and her people.

As characters themselves stated in-game - she seeks to become the same as the Lich king whom she initially despised.

And after the fell of Garrosh and the invasion of the Legion it was suggested that she understood her mistakes - becoming the new Warchief was a chance for her to redeem herself.

But NO!

She didn’t even bother to inform the Alliance why they retreated from the Broken Shore (they had a reason but the Alliance doesn’t know exactly what happened) which leads to the escalation of conflict between two factions (remember: they’re in the middle of a world-ending war).

And with this in mind Sylvanas only comes back to the Broken isles to... ONCE AGAIN pursue her own goals - putting Forsaken and Immortality before The Horde and aforementioned World-Ending crisis.

What. A. Bitch.

So - now for the hypocrisy.

Guess which character was given the most hate by the Horde players recently.

Illidan - fucking - Stormrage.

Why Horde players don’t like him.

1) Because he came back from the dead - proving he’s the Blizzard’s posterboy.

2) He’s so edgy and “misunderstood” emo.

First of all - if you’re fanboying the genocide-bitch who came back from the dead TWICE then you can’t complain that others might get rezzed.

Secondly - you defend the genocide because it was ordered by someone else yet deny the “for the greater good” mindset of Illidan?

For all I know Illidan often resorted to questionable methods to bring the best results. He used fel magics to fight the Burning Legion.

Did he cause death and destruction? Yes.

I am not defending him on that front.

The difference is - his own interest had nothing to do with his actions. He did everything that was in his power to fight the ultimate evil.

Pay evil unto evil - enough said.

For me his greatest flaw is that he never TOLD anyone what he was going to do. He took everything upon himself and fucked up some shit because of it.

But wait - Horde players are not done!

Another argument against Illidan is how he talks to Prophet Velen - taunting him and calling him a coward for running away for 25000 years.

It didn’t took me long to find a thread on Velen where Horde players were calling him out on THE VERY SAME SUBJECT.

Some consistency please.

No surprise that Anduin Wrynn gets the same treatment as Velen.And the Horde players still WANT MORE.

Apparently the game is biased and favors Alliance - turning the Horde into the EVIL faction.Perhaps change your mindset?

Show Blizzard that you’re better than that.And claiming that Horde got screwed over by Blizzard because Legion focuses on the Alliance...

Look at the map. Look at the expansions.

In Cataclysm Horde gained territories in both Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms. Alliance got None.

Mists of Pandaria and Warlords were driven by the actions of Horde leaders.hell - your ex Warchief Thrall is the Green Jesus of Warcraft.

Be happy with what you have and don’t complain so much.

And to not be biased myself.

Dammit Genn Greymane! You might be the King of Gilneas but here you are - you got a perfectly good gunship and you crashed it because of your own personal vendetta!

Those things ain’t cheap!

#World of Warcraft #scooter gennett #Gilneas #Gunship #Genn greymane #illidan #Illidan Stormrage #Sylvanas #Sylvanas Windrunner #Forsaken #Alliance #horde rp #Legion

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He forestalled the gesture by turning to the blood elf. She had golden hair and pale skin, and wore the bright, gleaming armor that marked her as one of her people’s paladins. “Where is Lor’themar?” Garrosh asked bluntly.

Her full lips pressed together in irritation, but when she spoke, her voice was calm and pleasant. “He has sent me to oversee the blood elf troops. My name is Kelantir Bloodblade. I trained with the lady Liadrin, and I serve under Ranger-General Halduron Brightwing.”

“Neither of whom is here,” said Malkorok, stepping protectively near Garrosh. “Instead we have this little third-ranking whelp.”

Kelantir turned coolly to Malkorok. “You also have two ships filled with blood elves willing to fight and die for the Horde,” she said. “Unless you are so sufficient in numbers and supplies that our feeble support will not be necessary.”

Garrosh had never much cared for blood elves, and this female was getting under his skin. “You have a chance to prove your people’s worth in battle today,” he said. “Take care you do not squander it.”

“My people are familiar with war and battles and sacrifice, Warchief Garrosh,” snapped Kelantir. “You will not find us lacking.” With that, she turned on her heel and marched back to the docks, her plate mail— how can she even bear it on such a tiny, twig-fragile frame? Garrosh wondered—clanking slightly as she strode.

“Blar speaks truly, if somewhat inelegantly,” said Kelantir. “We have heard what happens to those who speak out against Garrosh. Thrall at least would have listened! And he never would have led us down this path! The Alliance will—”

Baine held up a hand. “Peace, my friend. You are right about such things, but Thrall is no longer our warchief. Garrosh Hellscream is. And our purpose here tonight is not to lead an insurrection, but to discuss what he has done up until this point and the wisdom—or lack thereof—of his choices.”

“Yet knowing all this, Lady Sylvanas agreed to send aid to the endeavor. But to what end? We are gathered! The Horde has food, supplies, and for those of you whose blood still flows in your veins, I know that blood burns hot for battle. Why is he waiting? Each day that passes, his troops become more uncertain. This is not wisdom. This is simply…” He groped for words. “Irresponsibility.”

Bloodblade extended her hand for the speaking stick. “I agree with Captain Farley. His lands and ours are vulnerable if the humans decide to retaliate there instead of sending ships to Theramore. The swifter the strike, the swifter the reward. I cannot comprehend why Garrosh delays. More time serves our enemies and harms us.”

“The inexplicable love some of you have for that peace-hungry shaman astounds me,” he said. He moved as he spoke, looking from face to face. “You would do well to remember it is because of Thrall that we are in this position to begin with! It was Thrall, not Garrosh, who let the Alliance encroach. Thrall, who held secret meetings with the human mage Jaina Proudmoore and all but sat like a dog at her feet. Thrall, whose mistakes I must now correct!”

Bloodblade began to speak. “But, Warchief—”

Garrosh whirled on the blood elf, striking her hard across the face. There was an angry murmur and a slight surge of the crowd. At once, Garrosh had Gorehowl in his hands, and the Kor’kron had swords and maces in theirs.

“Your warchief is merciful,” Garrosh snarled. “You live, so that you may obey me, blood elf!”

Bloodblade nodded slowly; the gesture was clearly painful.

Frandis Farley, having a poor excuse for a drink with Kelantir Bloodblade, turned at the sight.

“Trouble,” Kelantir whispered.

“Not necessarily,” Frandis replied in an equally soft voice. Before his companion realized what he was about to do, the undead was waving and calling cheerfully, “Friend Malkorok! Are you slumming? The contents of a chamber pot are probably better than the swill this rascal Grosk serves, but it’s cheap and I hear it does the job. Come, let us buy you a round.”

The Kor’kron looked to their leader, who nodded. “Grosk,” Malkorok rumbled, “drinks all around.” He clapped Frandis on the back so hard the Forsaken nearly fell forward on the table. “I might expect to find tauren or Forsaken here.” He sneered as Grosk busied himself plopping down dirty glasses and a large jug of grog. “But I must say, you look sorely out of place.”

“Not at all,” said Kelantir, narrowing her eyes. “I have been in worse places than this.”

“Perhaps, perhaps,” Malkorok said. “But why are you not in Orgrimmar?”

“Iron allergy,” Kelantir said. For an instant, Malkorok stared at her, then he threw his head back in a guttural laugh.

“It does seem that you and several others prefer more rustic environments,” he said. “Where is that young bull Baine, and his toady, Vol’jin? I had hoped to speak to them.”

“I have not seen them in a while,” said Kelantir, putting her boots up on the table. “I do not much involve myself with the tauren.”

“Really?” Malkorok looked puzzled. “Yet we have witnesses that put both you and Frandis right in this very inn just last night, in close conversation with both the tauren and the troll, among others. They reported that you were saying things like, ‘Garrosh is a fool, and Thrall should return and kick him all the way to the Undercity, and it was cowardly to use the mana bomb on Theramore.’”

“And the elements,” put in another of the Kor’kron conversationally as he reached for the jug of grog and refilled his cup.

“Yes, the elements—something about how it was too bad Cairne hadn’t killed him when he had the chance, because Thrall would never utilize the elements in such a cruel and insulting fashion.”

The blood elf and the Forsaken were silent now.

The two watched them go. When the Kor’kron had departed, Kelantir closed her eyes and exhaled. “That was far too close for comfort.”

“Indeed,” said Frandis. “For half a moment, I expected to be arrested, if not outright attacked.”

The blood elf turned to signal for more drinks, then frowned. “That is odd,” she said. “Grosk is gone.”

“What? With such a crowded inn? He should be hiring more help, not skipping out with several thirsty customers waiting on him.”

Their eyes met. No word was spoken between them, but as one, they rose and charged for the door.

They almost made it until a frost grenade locked them into position. Three frag grenades finished the job, and Razor Hill Inn exploded.

Anduin had never been to the inn at Razor Hill, and saw nothing in the scene before him to make him want to have visited before it had been destroyed and rebuilt. It was dark, raucous, filthy, and likely foul-smelling. He noticed the bronze dragon Kairoz hiding a smile at some of the reactions that this particular tableau engendered.

Nonetheless, it seemed to be a boisterous place of good cheer, until the Kor’kron entered. They paused at the door, their hulking presences blocking out most of whatever light penetrated into the tavern’s main room. Two patrons, a Forsaken and a sin’dorei, were drinking together, but looked up at the newcomers.

“Pause,” Tyrande said. “These two Horde members are Captain Frandis Farley and Kelantir Bloodblade. Captain Farley was sent by the lady Sylvanas to command the Forsaken units that would serve under their warchief. The Blood Knight, Bloodblade, had previously served under Ranger-General Halduron Brightwing. Both, by all accounts, fought well in the battle against Northwatch Hold.”

Anduin glanced over at the Horde area. Both Sylvanas and Halduron were leaning forward. Anduin had not heard of either Farley or Bloodblade, but judging by how their leaders reacted to their images, the two were held in high regard.

Bloodblade had hair the color of the sun and skin so pale as to look untouched by it. Even off-duty, she kept pieces of her armor on.

“Perhaps, perhaps,” Malkorok said. “But why are you not in Orgrimmar?”

“Iron allergy,” Kelantir said. Despite the tension, Anduin grinned. He liked this Kelantir. She was brave. It was the sort of thing his friend Aerin, a gutsy dwarf, lost to the upheaval of the Cataclysm, might have said.

“That was far too close for comfort,” Kelantir said, exhaling in relief.

“Indeed,” said Frandis. “For half a moment, I expected to be arrested, if not outright attacked.”

Kelantir looked around. “That is odd. Grosk is gone.”

Frandis brought his jaw back into position for a frown. “What? With such a crowded inn? He should be hiring more help, not skipping out with several thirsty customers waiting on him.”

And as the two locked gazes, Anduin knew. The hair at the back of his neck rose, and he wanted to shout out a warning. But this was not the present; it was the past, and it was too late, had already been too late by the time Farley and Bloodblade had realized what was going on.

The ill-fated pair leaped to their feet and raced toward the door. Ice crackled up to stop them in their tracks, and the scene went white. The sound of an explosion echoed through the hall, and then the Vision disappeared.

#long post cw #long but also literally all canon kelantir has akjndakjsn #I love her sm though c':#I love my daughter who drinks with forsaken and talks shit about garrosh #* muse: kelantir bloodblade / BLOODFORGED.#* character study: kelantir bloodblade / BOTH HELL FIRE AND HOLY LIGHT.#* general: citations / RELEVANT REFERENCES.

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alteredphoenix · 4 years

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Untitled Demon Hunter!Alleria one-shot (WoW)(WIP)

An idea, undated, although if memory serves me right this was around the early fall 2019, with a summary written on this app on my phone (that I don’t really like and don’t really use, in all honesty):

“A turn of the hand, a turn of the clock. (Or, the final hour of the Quel’dorei has come and gone. As one of the very few, pure high elves left on Azeroth, Alleria knows there is no kind future waiting for them. Yet perhaps something can be made for the world, ruined as she is; and there is only one person mad enough to see that there is life worth living and the eternal suffering of unrest avoided.)”

Underneath this summary are some tags/descriptors (rather, they’re reminders I put there because my memory’s spirit animal may be a goldfish) in brackets: “Third War AU, Demon Hunter!Alleria; condensed one-shot version; Alleria/Illidan.

This was a story intended to be pretty bleak. In this AU, Arthas is more relentless in his assault on the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas and, on top of defiling the Sunwell, aptly raises all the dead high elves into undeath to turn on the survivors. Needless to say, by the time the Battle of Mount Hyjal is over and done with the Quel’dorei are truly on the brink of extinction. From there, the details get iffy; I only had two scenes in mind at the time. One was of Alleria making the trek to the Black Temple to undergo the demon hunter ritual. The other was Alleria, more demon than high elf, staying behind with Illidan in the Seat of the Pantheon to watch over Sargeras - this time for an eternity, because the Quel’dorei are still struggling and she has nothing else left to lose. Although this last scene comes from a separate iteration that came from me messing around with ideas, in which all the Windrunners are wiped out, Arator was never born, and there simply aren’t enough high elves - which by then are sin’dorei - around to rebuild the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas (so that means no Liadrin to reform the Blood Knights, Mu’ru most likely never gets the chance to redeem the blood elves, Lor’themar is either good as dead or never becomes Regent-Lord, and Kael’thas either dies, withers, or simply goes off the deep end again trying to slake his mana thirst). The Quel’dorei’s ultimate fate is to either comingle with the lesser races to repopulate their numbers (half-elves might have it easier in this AU; most elves in general don’t seem very keen on mating with races that aren’t as proud and long-living as them, and humans in WoW don’t seem bothered by mixed races) or be condemned to live out their lives as homeless brigands and anti-Light/anti-Death avengers pissing off the Alliance of Lordaeron - a little more beaten, but much more hardened because Sylvanas isn’t around to give Garithos a kick in the head; going by the cosmology chart, they’d either double down on the Arcane (Order) with help from the Kirin Tor (reluctance being on the part of the Quel’dorei), suck it up and learn druidism from the night elves (Life), or go apeshit and tap into the Void (Shadow) as a Fuck You to the Light.

However, since the doc was labeled a one-shot, things are slightly better: the Quel’dorei still get dunked on but manage to become Sin’dorei; Lirath survives the Second War and either becomes a Scryer or a demon hunter (this assuming he canonically possesses combat ability at all, but just for the sake of this story let’s pretend he does), Vereesa hards the fuck up over the Sin’dorei’s place in the Horde and decides it’s better to bitch about the Legion and the Scourge still kicking than Lor’themar, and Alleria still gets to smash Illidan, which just absolutely blows Maiev’s mind and every other night elf’s mind. (YMMV on whether or not Kael’thas gets an intervention and whether or not Sylvanas and Nathanos are around long enough to either avoid undeath or, at the very least, make it to Shadowlands without ever becoming leaders of the Horde via the Jailer. The jury’s also out as to whether or not Thrall gets his head out of his ass and decides he should either stay Warchief, make Vol’jin Warchief, not make Garrosh Warchief or make sure he sticks around and insist Garrosh doesn’t be a dickhead and push his advisors away. If everyone’s lucky, they can avoid everything from Cataclysm to Battle for Azeroth, but this also hinges on the variable that Wrathion makes it to BfA in one piece and someone gladly Russian Slaps some sense into him to not kickstart Warlords of Draenor and Legion while he’s in hiding and, you know, not owning up to his mistakes very early on.

Honestly there are too many variables to take into account, but you get the idea.)

#world of warcraft #alleria windrunner #illidan stormrage #role swap au #fanfiction #preview #mywriting

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Their reaction to Warbringers: Azshara

For a lovable anon (and another lovable anon who came a bit late to the party). The last in the Warbringers series.

Anduin: Added to the list of things I am afraid of now: Fish.

Ghost Varin: Well, certainly it explains why are Nagas such bitches.

The Council of Three Hammers:

Muradin: I gotta say ‘twas quite a power move though she pulled there. “I have nothing to lose, so I choose to gain everything.” Still evil. Moira: I am very happy for all the three animations. Strong women. Warriors. Some fucked up, sure, but strong and warriors. Falstad: Is no one going to comment on how fucking powerful this Azshara has to be? She held a tsunami at bay for... quite a time.

Tyrande: She betrayed everything that makes us Elves. She. Will. BURN!

Sylvanas: Honey, I think you are taking the fire theme a bit far here. How many things have you said that are going to burn already? Tyrande: All. And you will be the first, you dry corpse.

Mekkatorque: I’m jumping on the bandwagon here, the animation style is really nice, although a bit unclean for my taste. Still. A lot of nice details.

Velen: This, as Taedal calls it, expansion, is staring to have too much plot.

Genn: Oh, another large octopusy god-like creature hidden beneath the waves. As if Vashj’ir wasn’t enough.

Aysa: Uh-oh, well, we always knew that nothing good is going to sprout up from the Old ones. Never thought it would be whole nations, though.

Alleria: Magnificent.

Turalyon: Evil, Alleria. You mean evil.

Jaina: No, seriously, why does everyone else get a dramatic revelation and I get a song depicting me in the worst light possible, not saying it isn’t true, and a wreck of a ship?

Thrall: Y’know, I’m actually really glad I gave up this world-saving adventurous life. This no longer is my problem. At all.

Spirit of Vol’jin: Dem Elves dress like hoes. Someone gotta say it.

Ghost Garrosh: Fitting from you. Spirit of Vol’jin: Well, I’ve nevah said that I don’t dress like a hoe. It be a voodoo thing. Ghost Garrosh: I’m fairly certain it is not.

Baine: Hey guys, guys! We’Ve found an actual problem here, and this problem is this talking fish-god-alike. Could we stop fighting each other and focus on that instead now?

Sylvanas: Now, that gives me the creeps. And there aren’t many things which give me the creeps.

Lor'themar: Okay, but the Nagas are actually kinda... hot.

Gallywix: So, what you’re telling me is hat there are two cities at least at the bottom of the ocean, full of treasure and mysteries?

Ji: I don’t think I could bear a fish talking into the inside of my head for much long. So, uh, congratulations to Azshara?

Thalyssra: I’ve always known Azshara is a... very self-centered person. But never it occured to me that her ego is this big.

Mayla: Can we talk about all the symbolism of losing the crown-circlet as Azshara is drowning?

Geya’rah: Big eye. I could stab that. Eyes are vulnerable.

Talanji: I hate the Old gods. It took me some time to watch this without closing it in disgust. I had to give it 10 tries.

Taedal: (Still singing Daughter of the Sea)

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