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Reasons Why Water House Synastry Is Karmic and Intense:

In this post, I want to address some reasons why water house (4th, 8th, and 12th) synastry can be very intense, very transformational and create/increase codependency.

(the basis of this thread is the fact that there is attraction and desire within the romantic connection, and the depth of feeling will run more true if you share multiple other intense synastry aspects/past life connections. Friendships/family relations that have heavy 8th/12th house synastry overlays manifest *very* differently)

Each water house has one common factor, and that's with these type of synastry overlays; you will feel seen or accepted. In some way, some form, the severity of it depends (as usual), but if you struggle with:

4TH House:

Showing your true character to others without the fear of being judged.

Sharing your inner thoughts to others with ease and safeness.

The fact that you never felt/had a safe home, so now you long for that feeling (of being at ease/comfortable with someones presence).

Feeling ease and comfortability within your environment or within yourself, instead you experienced that those feelings came at a cost.

8TH House: If you struggle with:

Self acceptance.

Self worth.

Self love.

Self confidence.

Accepting/receiving love.

Having low respect for yourself (meaning how others treat you may be hurtful but because of lack of validation within, you allow or accept that behavior).

Having a pattern where the way others treat you either gives or takes away validation your inner wounds need.

Deeply craving emotional closeness yet fearing it at the same time.

Allowing yourself to desire love.

The fact you're emotionally unavailable; so you're unsure with how to deal with romance, and yet a part of you still deeply desires a partner.

These also may resonate if you have 8H, Pluto aspecting inner planets/Scorpio placements)

12TH House: If you struggle with:

Emotionally availability/allowing someone to see you, all of you.

Receiving tangible, stable, harmonious, love.

Having a habit to/find it easier to fix or save someone in hopes of changing their self destructive habits or mental health issues. This type of tendency creates an avoidance within yourself especially if you don't focus on your own needs or problems. (it's easier to focus on someone else's pain rather than your own)

Feeling safe with the idea of not being needed, instead you choose to be the giver or other woman since it subconsciously keeps you at a distance of being openly loved (which is something you subconsciously fear)

Holding the deep desire to feel seen past the physical 3D.

Allowing yourself to receive the type of love you're able to give/shower another.

Wanting to fix or heal someone's mental health wounds or problems, you find it safer to be their savior rather than have a true give and take partnership.

(These also may resonate if you have 12H, Neptune aspecting inner planets/Pisces placements)

These are a few examples of how intense these synastry overlays may manifest if you are struggling with the above statements. I briefly mentioned a few indicators, needless to say they are more and each synastry chart or even natal chart will always paint the picture better of how deep these relationships can manifest.

then 4th, 8th, and 12th house synastry will cause internal shift within, whether you want it to or not.

4th House: With the 4th house and when someone walks into your life and they ignite your IC, the part of your character that you readily hide becomes unlocked. If you personally have struggled with being comfortable in your skin, or have struggled with feeling secure with who you are as you are, then this person to you will feel like a comfort blanket. Their presence will shift you into a mood where all you feel is safe, present, and in the moment. With them, you will feel complete in showcasing your inner world and your inner thoughts. Their presence will become this key that you didn't even knew you need. It'll feel easy with them, and there is no hesitation, confusion or worry. You can't feel worry, and it's not because they insistently tell you not to feel anxious, you just naturally won't. You guys will likely share the same humor or communication style, and if there is a Venus conjunct IC then the IC person will feel this romantic pull with showcasing their personality outwardly that they won't be able to shake towards the Venus person. Overall these feelings are especially true if you struggle with letting someone in, if it takes some time for you to allow someone else to see your personality or thoughts, then they will feel like a cure for allowing to let that side of you out and when you're next to them; you'll feel like you're finally home.

Example: you walk into a bar and they make eye contact with you, you instantly smile, they instantly smile, and the conversation that ignites feels as if you just spoke to them. It could be weeks, months even since you last saw them but the comfortability between the two of you oozes out in a way where it feels like they just came back home to you.

The reason why this type of connection can be hard to let go of is because their presence might cause or create a codependent need in you for them in order to feel "safe." All their presence is doing is igniting the secure feeling in you that you wish you had, you finally can look into another's eyes and feel that type of comfortability you've always been scared enough to unlock or accept. Your private thoughts and characteristics feel safe next to them, and because of that, they create this security within you won't know how to let go of. So, all they are doing is unleashing your wish of being your truest self without fearing the consequences of being seen for who you are.

In some cases, 4th house synastry may not run as intense, and some say it can be 'mundane' or boring, especially if you don't struggle with the listed wounds I stated, or if you don't share other intense or cute attraction synastry aspects with them; but in essence this individual will feel like a grounding force.

The bond you can form with them is tangible, it's secure, and it feels real. So, letting them go will feel as though you're letting go the one desire of ever revealing your private inner self with ease, especially if this is a part of you that you've been too afraid to openly show or even accept.

Songs That Relate

Look After You - The Fray

Chasing Cars - Snow Patrol

Control - Zoe Wees

8th House: With the 8th house, these type of connections are more intense, and naturally so. With this type of synastry, and if you struggle with self acceptance especially with self love or self worth, then letting go of this connection will feel near to impossible. It will feel like life or death if they walk away from you, and it will feel like a part of you dies every time they don't give you the reassurance or acknowledgment your soul wishes for. Their eyes alone, tell you it's time to let that wall down and without effort your wall crumbles. You know that if they leave, a part of you will leave with them but if your wound of wishing to be accepted runs so deep within, you can't help but take that risk. You're aware that the unavoidable low following their absence will cut deep, yet instead of walking away, you prepare yourself for its inevitable arrival.

You allow that pain to embody you because that pain hurts less than not feeling those moments of acceptance that they are able to give you, especially if it's what you've always reluctantly wished for.

With their presence that void of wanting emotional closeness that you've always longed for will feel like it has vanished, their eyes alleviate the long-ignored half-empty feeling, and so the part of you that wishes to been seen, the part of you that wishes to feel accepted, the part of you that wants to be vulnerable won't know how to let go.

You could run into them and it could be weeks, months even and if you still struggle with loving yourself in the way you wish they would, their presence will create this upheaval that will shake within you, this synastry holds cycles, loops, ups and down to the point of where if you don't hate them, a part of you will still want them.

This synastry creates a dynamic where this soul that entered your life is only igniting the parts of you that you, yourself don't accept, love or acknowledge. Their presence becomes this band-aid that somehow soothes the deepest parts of you that have been abandoned, and their presence soothes the part of you that you yourself believe you can't heal. This fear then creates a scarcity mindset that can cause you to become someone you're not, and even if you logically know what is objectively best to do in situations to not create more intensity within the connection; there's just a part of you that can't care.

The reason why this type of connection can be hard to let go of is because their presence might cause or create a codependent need in you to have them in order to feel "seen." Their presence gives you a sense of acceptance where you allow yourself to accept love in. If you struggle with emotional abandonment, or fear love, then their presence will feel like a "skip the line" pass with inner healing the parts of you that feel broken.

The reason why 8th house synastry is discussed so promptly and openly is because these feelings that persist (when dealing with inner wounds) become such catalysts of growth and ego deaths; but that is only because this connection allows in the hope for love you've been wishing for all your life. You want to be held, you want to be cared for and loved in a way that you've never received, and this person presences grants that sole wish. They bring you that one solace feeling that you've never felt and because of that, letting them go is letting go the one key that makes you feel worthy, seen, and accepted.

Their presence creates this codependent need within because they become this one "thing" that you think you need in order to fulfill that self love wound you keep repressing. You'll start to rely on them for emotional clarity or serenity, you'll start to "need them" in order to feel good, and you'll expect them to make you feel "better" emotionally and if they fail to meet those expectations, all you'd be faced with is the unwavering feeling of the lack of self love or worth you're too afraid to self develop.

The love you're so readily able to give them, is what your soul is asking you to give yourself.

*Those who have prominent natal Scorpio or 8th house placements as well as having Pluto aspecting harshly their inner planets or ascendant will feel these trials and errors more*

Songs That Relate:

Locksmith - Sadie Jean

Addicted - Kelly Clarkson

Im Yours/Haunted/Heartbeat - Isabel LaRose

Just a Little Bit of Your Heart - Ariana Grande

12th house: With the 12th house, this synastry unlocks so many different routes and experiences. Many factors influence how each individual can feel towards this ethereal connection. One way this synastry can manifest is through the tendency for the 12th house to cloud, confuse, and bring hesitancy into the connection. In some cases, Person A will feel as though they can read Person B in such a deep and subconscious way; this type of knowing may even be hidden from Person B to the extent that they are unaware of their own subconscious emotional needs, thoughts or feelings, and yet (especially if there's care or desire on their end) Person A can read Person B like a book. 12th house synastry can be so thought provoking because of the absolute depth and surreal feeling it can add into the connection. The planet person (or the person who has heavy Neptune/Pisces/12th house placements) will feel this innate drive to be with the house person (or the other partner who isn't as spiritual adept). It's as if one partner, driven by an innate need to give endlessly, is profusely tossing their sole bucket of water into the vast ocean of the other partner's needs. The giver (or the person who has heavy Neptune/Pisces/12th house placements) is so focused on giving that they overlook the importance of receiving, while the receiver remains oblivious.

If Person B remains unaware of the deep spiritual bond between them that can manifest, they may perceive Person A's actions as invasive or unnecessary. Person A, recognizing wounds in Person B that they may not be aware of can evoke a sense of fear in Person B, this has to deal with the issue of them not allowing or accepting a form of love that they believe (Person B) doesn't serve them.

If this scenario resonates with you, then this individual is provoking a wound within yourself that deals with the acceptance of receiving authentic love. This innate need to only give highlights your own fear of receiving real tangible love.

In this scenario where one party wants to save, fix, heal or give highlights that fearful nature in you where you allow to stay in shallow waters. You subconsciously know that you have such passionate love to give, but that thought of giving to someone who in turn might be willing to give back evokes fear and uncertainty within you.

This subconscious block holds more comfortability within you since it allows you to never accept a love where your soul will fully be fulfilled. It's self sabotaging and self written, you naturally already know how the story will end between you two, and so you subconsciously will find a character who perfectly embodies the story you yourself say you try to run from.

On the other hand this synastry (when desired and when is dealing with highly evolved individuals) can unlock such deep soulfulness between both partners. Between the two parties, it'll feel as if they have found someone that can finally understand them better than anyone ever has, it'll feel dreamy and mystical. Their body language writes stories that you could only read.

In a pure sense, one partner that desires the other very deeply and whole heartedly wants to make sure that their partner is seen, and understood. And this comes from a very sincere place and if the other receiving partner allows that kind of love in while being okay with giving that same love back, that is when this type of connection can be ideal.

Now in this scenario, this type of codependent nature deals with over emphasizing redemption with no boundaries. If there is solid exchangeable love, a part of you may believe there is always more good than bad within them or within the relationship, and so their wrongdoings or unacceptable behavior to you or to others somehow receives justification or more understanding than he or she should receive (especially if you also share 8th house synastry with them)

This type of dynamic receives interchanging parts, with the 12th house things can lack a solid foundation and lack crystal clear communication, some days you both won't deal with struggling dynamics, then one say Partner 1 acts out, to which Partner 2 cuirasses and holds, then a few weeks later Partner 2 acts out and Partner 1 comes to their aid.

Truly the amount of stories, experiences, how Person 1 will feel vs Person 2 is genuinely so intercomplicated and nuanced. Each story lies within the two parties involved, with this house they are just so many different routes and avenues it can uphold so in this particular post may not cover every ounce of information on 12th house synastry. If you are curious to learn more only about this synastry I have a long updated post titled "Understanding 12th House Synastry" and it's far more in-depth.

In essence, how the other partner receives this type of boundless understanding calls for them to be a very kind and open individual. It's important to understand and recognize red flags or self undoing patterns. Staying aware of the actual real situation instead of sitting in bed thinking of the "What if's" are key. Their posts may not be about you, that song on their story can be just a song, remember that. Especially if the individual lacks self awareness or care on their end.

Finally, I don't believe water house synastry holds malicious energy or serves as a dictatorship with stating how the relationship will fail. Not every synastry overlay is set for such intense energy or uncomfortable experiences, each planet in a natal chart holds different themes. What truly matters at the end of the day are the two souls involved within the connection. Desire, care, love, and acceptance are all foundational keys for any relationship to last even those with or without water house synastry. Accepting yourself in the purest form when it comes each water house theme (4,8,12) is key.

Your natal chart when it comes to synastry serves as a mirror within yourself, everything you are feeling for someone else is already sitting within you.

Don't forget that.

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myun-saidthoughts · 2 months

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Disorganized Attachment Style:

it hurts to wish for a love my own soul is unable of carrying, my wish for romance are like waves, as the wish comes it never stays. my hidden wish to be held only bleeds out when i can't tell, this desire seeps so far into my bones that without that wish to be held, i can't care to be held.

#fear of love #disorganized attachment style #fearful avoidant #fa attachment #disorganized attachment #attachment styles #fear of vulnerability #fear of commitment

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myun-saidthoughts · 2 months

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8th House Synastry Observations

🍄 These types of connections (romantic or platonic) can't be lighthearted; if there is genuine care within the dynamic intensity is very likely.

🍄 You have to consciously tell yourself to "not react" in moments when the other person fails to meet your expectations.

🍄 Emotions flood within you before your brain can logically calm you down.

🍄 Upset facial expressions/elongated eye glances/staring oftentimes can occur when the other person is again *failing to meet expectations.*

🍄 You always will compare how *they* make you feel vs how other people make you feel.

🍄 With other intense synastry aspects (such as more 4h/12h, nodal, or vertex synastry) or genuine care, reading each other just by their eyes alone is extremely easy. Just by a look, you will know how they feel.

🍄 In these connections you may know what not to do, you logically will know that the long period of stares, the obvious dissatisfaction you feel is not really justified usually because of outside factors, the lack of foundation within the connection, or just by the fact there's been little to no communication on either end, and yet that doesn't change or minimize the pain or feelings you have towards them from their actions.

🍄 Even if one person doesn't have natal scorpio/pluto/8th house placements/aspects in their chart, if they care about the other person; they will also have intense expectations on the other person.

🍄 In a platonic opposite-gender connection where one party has a romantic partner, you might understand that their actions towards you should lessen, especially in respect towards their partner but despite that rational understanding, the pull of your connection with them often overrides. Even if a part of you wants to respect their relationship logically and consciously, the underlying need for their attention or care persists.

🍄 In romantic connections (especially with moon/venus in another's 8th house) their eyes (the planet person) tells you it's okay to let that vulnerable side of you that you've shunned out, and without words; that emotional closeness that you've always wished to feel is suddenly fulfilled and with ease.

🍄 8th house connections undertake more Plutonian energy. If you are un-healed, then their actions or lack thereof can ignite parts of your character that you don't even recognize.

🍄 If you struggle with BPD/BPD tendencies then connections that take on more 8th house/pluto synastry will feel enticing and familiar, you are more likely to be drawn to the intense high and lows that this connection brings.

🍄 The deep rooted attraction with these connections mainly lies in the fact that you can allow yourself to feel emotionally close and vulnerable to someone else, the more you crave expressing emotional vulnerability the more attractive they become to you. (especially with objective/attraction synastry aspects)

🍄 Once their actions or once certain consist factors/situations creates a severe emotional blockage between you and them; the less desirable they will feel to you (especially so if you struggle with polarizing emotions)

🍄 It could be months since you've spoken to them, months since their eyes have met yours and if you still struggle with emotional acceptance/self love/self worth/self value; then a longing for them might ignite in any abrupt moment (whether it be from a photo of them, running into a mutual friend, from reading a cathartic quote that reminds you of them) a spark that once persisted for so long will make it's self known, and the part of you that you thought you said good-bye too, might reappear again.

🍄 8th house connections consist of cycles and loops, it's a dilemma of letting go to longing, it's understandable to sometimes have these waves of wanting even if you logically know you shouldn't.

🍄 Longing for one another on both ends (all that needs to be present is sincere care) can occur.

🍄 The longing you feel if they do leave your presence is the part of you that craves emotional closeness and serenity.

🍄 Logically you may know and have objective expectations of how they should treat you because of other factors and yet certain expectations or desires you have within will persist.

🍄 Even if nothing substantial or foundational ever occurred between the two of you, the reactions within you might reenact as if the two of you dated for months, years even.

💞 In these observations each individual has to be emotionally prepared and open to emotional closeness, if someone is emotionally and spiritually un-evolved then no matter how "open" you naturally feel with them, that should never justify reoccurring pain or abuse that the other party causes 💞

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myun-saidthoughts · 3 months

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🥀 Astrology Observations 🥀

🦋 Water house synastry increases or creates co-dependent behaviors

🦋 When dealing with 12th house synastry and unrequited love/dismissive behavior from one person (as the planet person or the person who has more Pisces/12H/Neptune influence) often times, they may struggle with over emphasizing "synchronicities."

Example: Their name randomly pops up on your FYP/Twitter or what not and even though they haven't spoken to you in weeks or months even, falling into a dilemma where you tell yourself this is a "sign" to text them or that they are thinking of you may occur.

Example: If you find yourself constantly checking their social media, you might start interpreting their story posts as covert expressions of their feelings for you. In turn, you might even resort to dropping subtle hints on your own social media, hoping they'll notice and reciprocate the attention.

Example: You may accept the fact that this person no longer thinks of you but they could post one (1) vague story, comment, picture, tweet and if that said post could have *any* relation to you, then a part of you (or all of you) may believe that it's confirmation that they like you again or that they are thinking of you again, regardless of outside or external factors that have happened.

Falling into a delusional hole is likely and unless there are consistent clear and prominent signs or words that they are not thinking of you or that they are interested in someone else, a part of you will fixate and wonder if what they are posting is for you, about you or to you.

🦋 Virgo Moon criticize's themself harder than they criticize others

🦋 Sagittarius Sun + Taurus rising creates a very optimistic, grounding, and stable individual regardless of trauma or hurt. (Needless to say everyone has their breaking point)

🦋 Capricorn Moon men with a water rising + have polarized emotional feelings. They become extremely uncomfortable with feelings yet emotions run high and they could have outburts

🦋 Capricorn Moon individuals have a very harsh relationship with their mother, either she was cold, dismissive, strict or uncommunicative. A part of their soul felt un-nurtured or cared for in a way that they needed.

🦋 Moon square Neptune in a birth chart indicates a mother who struggled(s) with addiction, reality, or with mental health. The tighter the orb the more severe or prominent the mother's behavior was towards the child.

🦋 People with natal 4th/8th/12th or have prominent Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces placements that have harsh aspects towards Neptune/Pluto/Chiron/Lilith may prefer intense water house synastry

🦋 Sagittarius, Virgo + Aquarius in a birth chart can indicate a highly intellectual and intelligent soul. They may have a gift of photographic memory.

🦋 Heavy Libra/Leo/5H placements all give off the same aesthetic in my opinion, very feminine, they attract more than they chase

🦋 Mars oppose/conjunct (sometimes square) Moon + Venus synastry creates intense and obvious attraction between one another, you may experience a heightened desire for intimacy with them, possibly leading to an increase in your usual level of sexual expression; especially if you are objectively very attracted to them.

🦋 Mars conjunct/oppose ascendant synastry can create jealousy or dislike towards the ascendant person if both parties are the same sex. (Especially if there has been one awkward encounter where Mars's confidence was affected because of Mars's own personal core wounds)

🦋 Leo Moon/Venus need their partner to show them off. Their partner has to openly and loudly claim them, not in an annoying or suffocating way but in a way where they feel instantly validated or wanted; to the point where everyone naturally notices

🦋 Scorpio/Pisces + Neptune aspecting the MC/ASC) rising's have similar facial features

I've noticed that Scorpio + Neptune aspecting the MC/ASC can creates that emo aesthetic (also heavy Pisces individuals as well can fall into that aesthetic too)

🦋 Jupiter in the 8H indicates your family (or others around you, people/partners) has or have had wealth, whether that be from your/their parents, grandparents, and so forth.

🦋 Malefic planets like Pluto's or benefic planets like Jupiter placed in the 2H/8H house showcases dealing with an extreme theme when it comes to money; in some point of life

Pluto in the 2H/8H showcases extremities of having money then losing it all, becoming obsessed with money, or receiving high sums of money and becoming careless with it; power trips could occur where you can't be given your money because of higher authorities or officials (2H) or because of family issues with tax documents and trusts (8H) etc. Truly the themes here that can manifest are endless and as always aspects/full natal charts paint the better picture.

🦋 11H Moon individual's give so much to their friendships, it's as if no matter how many times they get burned by someone, their soul still asks and searches for a the kind of friend they are.

(Bonus if they have 12H placements too then the search for authentic, considerate and kind souls feel like a never ending battle that they keep losing too and no matter how many times they feel burned they still keep searching)

🦋 Moon conjunct Pluto in a composite chart creates the same intensity as 8th House/Pluto synastry; the relationship can't be light.

🦋 5H synastry increases the chances of partying with one another. You may see them out often or make plans that involve the night life/parties. Childlike fun behaviors can also occur and with one another energies are lifted and there is no negativity.

🦋 With past life connections: when you are with them, 1 hour feels like 10 minutes; before you know it 6 hours pass and you don't even realize it.

🦋 Heavy Aries placements (especially Sun or rising + chart ruler) tend to prioritize the gym and their body. Working out comes so natural to them.

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myun-saidthoughts · 4 months

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💫2nd House Synastry💫

Not a lot of people state the importance or active role 2nd house synastry can play out.

I believe 2nd house synastry + other intense synastry aspects create such cute little feelings within the dynamic. Now, one could say that the type of feelings or statements that persist (especially without Neptune/Pluto/Water house synastry) is shallow or perhaps just filler words/statements. That being said, I can understand why that may manifest but with intense care or feelings, one thing that 2nd house synastry inevitably does is create self value, security and self worth/confidence for the house person.

The 2nd house is opposite of the 8th house, therefore I believe the attributes that persist share the same foundation (in some aspects) as 8th house synastry.

2nd house synastry: with attraction, the planet person preferably inner planets such as Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars can't help but compliment, praise or acknowledge the house person's traits, characteristics, appearance, accomplishments etc.

With this type of energy, and especially when there are inner planets involved/attraction, the planet person can't help but rebuild, openly state, and emphasize any and all attributes the house person holds.

The planet person will look into the eyes of the house person and want to be the one person who makes them feel good, confident, and important.

Now, this is undoubtedly true if this connection also has any 12th house influence, the praise and acknowledgement will run even deeper. The planet person will want to run towards the house person with care and with the upmost praise. They will naturally become this key and voice of reason for the house person in ways the house person never knew was possible. With the 2nd & 12th house dynamic, the planet person will love/compliment and "fix" per se any mental health struggles/dilemmas that the house person struggles with. With the 12th house this adds more of a deeper layer towards the praise/acknowledgments. *Individuals who share more Neptune/12th house and Pisces influence will experience these feelings more*

Without 12th house (or even 8th house/other intense synastry aspects) influence, the praise and compliments are still prevalent, but it may run more on the surface. The house person will naturally feel secure in the connection nonetheless. Feeling reassured or complimented will naturally occur without the house person ever asking; and with that brings in a type of secure feeling that the house person might even disregard over time or become accustomed too.

That being said the praise, acknowledgments and compliments from the planet person doesn't come from a shallow place, the planet person just can't help but notice and love these attributions that the house person naturally has, especially when there's attraction or care on their end.

The house person will feel naturally appreciated and securely seen or valued because of the planet person's constant reassurance. Now, like I said though this may be more true with 8th + 12th house synastry involved but within, the planet person's soul lights up in a way that they won't be able to disregard. They will feel this happiness inside that they want to outwardly share and shout out.

This synastry can be so cute (especially when there are other cute attraction aspects/intense overlays) because with the house person's presence, the planet person automatically feels value and security and in turn wants to reflect out that type of emotion to the house person.

This is just my personal observation on this synastry! I think natal placements and other synastry aspects play a role, as usual.

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myun-saidthoughts · 4 months

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Understanding 12th House Synastry

(*updated* and more accurate post about about 12th house synastry overlays along with Neptune synastry that makes harsh aspects to another's inner planets such as the Sun, Moon, rising, Venus or Mars)

There are two sides of 12th house synastry that I commonly see. The spectrum is different compared to the 8th house because with the 8th house, there are highs and lows, obvious extremes, there's oftentimes constant lessons, cycles and loops, but with the 12th house, there's a different undertone.

The 12th house is a very unforeseen house, when it comes with synastry, the spectrum of love that can be received and given is unfathomable. I am going to first discuss what this energy is like when someone deals with this type of synastry while having Neptune (especially harshly) aspecting your inner planets/12th house placements/Pisces placements; then I will go in-depth for how they would feel without those placements.

(that being said my main discussion deals with the foundation of both individuals having attraction or interest on both ends, as well as other intense synastry overlays such as harsh or soft attraction synastry aspects, + eros, lilith, chiron, pluto, or 8th house synastry)

As a 12th house native or with heavy Pisces influence (e.g., a Pisces Venus, Sun, Moon, rising, or with a natal Neptune squaring, opposing or conjunct the Sun, Moon, rising, Venus) this type of synastry is confusing, it's blurry and parts of you can second guess almost everything about them, what you are to them, what they are to you etc. There are no tangible boundaries when it comes to the emotional depth you are willing to feel for them. On some days you can find yourself wondering where you stand with them, you fixate on their energy, and you'll wonder if they're thinking of you. You look into their eyes and just feel their mental health struggles, their fears, their hidden thoughts, what they need to hear to feel seen past the 3D. You're like a walking and breathing affirmation audio tape of everything their subconscious always wished to of heard throughout life. That one broken image or belief they have within their subconscious self is the one thing you can't help but compliment them on, the feelings they ignore, suppress or hide away are the feelings you want to naturally reassure them about. It's like you become this real life 3D fixer upper for this individual, and you just can't help but be drawn with saving, helping, or fixing them. (undoubtedly so if you also fall in their 2nd house, especially your inner planets, if there is no 2nd house influence then the compliments/praising will be less intense or frequent)

The beginning of this synastry embodies confusion. Since there's no real tangible statement or understanding you can hold onto. You'll just know how they operate before ever really knowing them.

You'll just want to make sure that they are okay, and that can come in many different ways, you yourself will just know. You can turn into this savior that they never knew they needed, you'll just want to give and love everything out of them; and in some cases receiving or having that mutual give and take may be something you think you don't need, especially when it comes to them, and especially if you have a natal 12th House Venus or a Pisces Venus/a Natal Venus that squares, conjuncts or opposes Neptune (this can apply to the Moon as well).

To reiterate; if you share the above placements you instantly can become drawn towards the house person. You will look at them and see every facet of their being, their hidden pain, their sorrows, why they feel the way they do, why they struggle the way they struggle, their mental health dilemmas, their soul; especially so if you as well have a water Moon that harshly aspects Neptune as well as the above listed placements. But these feelings don't persist automatically or openly, the desires the planet person or the one person who has the placements I listed/spiritual enlightenment + attraction towards the house person (or the other person) stays at bay and stays being unsaid, especially in the beginning. The planet person with these placements etc etc, can hold onto constant dilemmas and wonder if what they are feeling is real, if what they desire is one sided, especially if there is little to no communication between the dynamic.

On the other side of the spectrum, this bond (when wanted on both ends) can create a soul binding connection where the house person would feel like no one else can ever understand them the way the planet person can. No one else would be able to read them like the book they secretly are, no one else can look into their eyes and bring solace into their bones, which in-turn can cause the dynamic between them to consistently become something that is impossible to let go of.

With attraction + desire the house person may feel like a hug from the planet person* (or vice versa) is equivalent to receiving a sense of understanding and safety that they weren't aware they ever needed. The house person may just find themselves fully being able to lay and hold onto the planet person* and there's this unsaid desire just be next to them. The planet person* may instinctively feel this pull or knowing that there is a softer more serene side of the house person that not everyone see's and even though there's no tangible words to hold onto, that feeling within them doesn't dissipate. Just with one hug from the house person and the planet person* will know that there's a soft and quiet side inside them that they hide or suppress away.

* = placements I listed + spiritually understanding/enlighted

The house person will ask themselves: How do I let go of the one soul who speaks to the parts of myself that I don't even know? The intensity of the bond can vary based on each others natal placements, but I do believe the connection can become deep and unworldly even without the placements I've listed since attraction and desire are two KEY factors that would override any natal placement. Instant psychic understanding about one another on both ends (regardless of natal placements) can occur, you both will know what the other person is thinking, feeling, and needing. If there is genuine desire for one another then the depth of care can become very ethereal and unspoken, especially if the Moon or Venus are involved; if attraction is present and you have the placements I mentioned, a part of you will just want to hold onto the house person. You'll just want to comfort and be present in the moment with them. All that matters to you is that they are doing and feeling okay, with them this part of you unlocks where you just want to caress their soul. But like I said natal placements do have an immense influence, one individual could feel this pull and understanding (w/o the placements I mentioned) but the depth and length for caring may not run as deep as someone else who has the natal placements I listed. They will still care in some shape or form in ways they never knew was possible; but the turnover of moving on or of minimizing selfless acts can become more shallow and less frequent throughout time.

When wanted on both ends with genuine care and desire the song Run To You by Lea Michele perfectly depicts this type of deep care.

Now this type of synastry can also begin the influence of delusion or false presumptions. Genuineness and self awareness is key, not everyone will desire such depth of the unknown especially if they themselves have no set understanding of their own subconscious beliefs.

To reiterate, if this is one sided therefore if they don't share attraction or desire for you; then this type of behavior will feel invasive and they may become confused or unsure with what to do with that type of depth that your eyes can bring them, if they are unaware of their own shadow self, along with not wanting to change or be spiritually awoken, this type of connection can be daunting and misleading in some way for them.

Now lets go deeper: for someone who doesn't have any 12th house Venus, Pisces Venus, Neptune influence (or if you have little to no attraction or interest towards them), or low spiritual awareness/acknowledgement of your own mental health struggles/hidden fears and if someone comes in to your life where they fall in your 12th house, the feelings that acclimate mainly are confusion, resistance or hesitation. You might have some hidden curiosity about the planet person but generally the curiosity can be the furthest you go with this individual. There might be some hidden tension or eye glances towards another but with it there is also a barrier between the two of you. You may feel like you know their body language or what their eye glances mean but you more than likely brush it off and set aside any spiritual coincidences that you have with them. You may also wither back and forth between being more inclined to getting to know them to being unsure with your interest in them or there's a sense of unpreparedness you may struggle with when it comes to this individual. A part of you may feel like their type of love can sooth parts of you that you ignore or mentally struggle with but that type of care can feel unneeded and can bring in fear; since there is a unspoken knowing of what they are able to truly view and feel for you if they were your partner. You may ask yourself, "Can this person fix, and heal me? " "Do I really need to be saved?" "Is this all in my head?" "Can they be the pacifier for the pain I can't even openly express; or will they bring me more sorrow?"

(this dilemma of curiosity is more apparent if you share other direct intense synastry aspects such as 8th/pluto/intense attraction aspects especially with eros or lilith etc)

(Even writing the paragraph above brought me so much confusion, for this post I am drawing from my own experience with 12th house + harsh Neptune synastry with a boy i've known for years and it still brings me so much hesitation and confusion with how he may feel about me. I still stand in uncertainty and confusion even though my own sense of how I feel towards him is consciously open, this energy is so extremely hard to pin point and logically articulate especially as someone who has 12th house placements + harsh aspects to my Moon. I as well share 8th house synastry with the relationship I am referencing and even from being so introspective and readily aware of how 8th house synastry manifests from every minuscule feeling or thought, I am still stuck with; confusion when it comes to the 12th house)

That being said, if there is a connection where one person has these natal placements and desires for the other individual but the other partner doesn't share the same attraction/placements; then that is when unrequited love or unspoken love can occur. To summarize, for 12th house and neptune synastry to be mutual even if the other partner doesn't have those natal these placements, there has to be attraction or desire; whether it be physical, or emotional. Someone could have these placements that I've listed but if there is no want, attraction or desire towards the other person; the dynamic can also become one sided on their end even with the placements and tendencies of being drawn towards connections that share 12th/neptune/pisces influence.

12th house synastry is the house of selflessness, this is the house of giving and giving to no end; since in one essence this house holds no end or beginning, therefore the boundaries and understanding that this house can carry is unknown. Each dynamic with 12th house synastry can be complexed, there are many factors that play a role in influencing this type of connection such as your natal placements, their natal placements, your natal aspects, their natal aspects, you desire and attraction and their desire and attraction and so on. Someone could sit in this confused and undesired energy for the other person for months and have all the placements I've listed. Therefore if that said individual is not prepared or have any desires to hold a connection that is deep and unspoken, they themselves (the planet person or the person who has 12th house/neptune/pisces influence) may even still feel fear or invasiveness towards the other individual that their share 12th house synastry with or vice versa; there are so many avenues and routes these connections can take, at least that's from my own astrological understanding and take on these type of connections.

Side Note: To balance the intensity these synastry aspects/overlays bring, taking on the opposite houses themes would bring more ease and create less intensity.

For example, dealing with 12H (Even Neptune) synastry, the opposite house is the 6H, the house of routine, daily life, mundane affairs, healthcare, helping others/giving etc etc. So to ease this type of fixation this synastry can cause, focus and enhance your own skills when it comes to your physical/mental health. Add more day to day to activities that solely focuses on changing your routine; however big or small. That will ease the fixation that 12H and Neptune synastry brings. This synastry can cause you to daydream or obsess over them, and since you may have this innate need to be their savior that wants to try and fix their wounds, the chance of putting yourself in situations where your priority is solely them is very likely. You could also fantasize and have an escapist attitude with them, (or the idea of them) therefore, they can serve as an escape for you; by focusing on their pain and struggles might cause you to forget about your own mental health challenges. You also might repeat scenarios in your head or fantasize about situations happening; especially since you might feel confused/hazy with where you stand with them, therefore keeping yourself busy is key with this synastry, and that will create more control within you.

P.S

This is all from my own interpretation of 12th house synastry, I would confidently say I am a very very introspective person at heart, I read between the lines constantly and overly fixate on behavior etc and this synastry still clouded my own judgment and understanding for years; it brought in tendencies for me to doubt my true feelings and curiosity, only until I more so let go of the relationship that I am referencing (the boy where I have 8th house synastry with) was the only time I was able to fully look outside my situation with him when it came to my actions and feelings. The constant back and fourth dilemma I struggled with when it came to knowing him and who he was was constant yet truly instant. My soul knew him before my brain did and because of that knowing I was unsure and unconfident with the type of feelings that persisted in the dynamic I shared with him. I have made so many posts about 12th house synastry but I can confidently say that this current post is now the most accurate representation of what can occur between these relationships.

Hope this brings some clarity and understanding for others who have dealt with 12th house and Neptune synastry; if not disregard and again this type of synastry is truly nuanced and multifaceted.

If this resonates with you I have an eBook that perfectly depicts and explains if you are in a karmic relationship. It's about 8th/12th/Pluto/Neptune/Saturn/Vertex/Nodal synastry. I give insights, exact transits, exact synastry overlays, natal chart interpretations and more advice on what to do in these situations. More information is pinned on my page.

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the depth of pain you are able to feel from 8th house/pluto connections runs as deep as the love you are able to form towards them.

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myun-saidthoughts · 5 months

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Why She Fell In Love: 4th/8th/12th Synastry Edition:

Because he looked into her eyes and she felt the ease she's always wished for. Because she feels an absence where love should be. Because she feels that her soul knows him. Because she is searching for the answers of what it means to feel peace. Because she never felt loved in the place she has to call "home."

Because when she's with him, she doesn't feel that dire wish for someone to be called hers. Because his whispers to her feel like a song. Because every time she closes her eyes, all she see's is him. Because he is the key that allows her to feel the depth of love she craves for. Because when she looks at him her irises dilate. Because her fingers feel safe between his.

Because she doesn't love herself. Because when she's with him she can love herself. Because she relies on others for the love she is too afraid to self-develop. Because those cigarettes burns touched a little too close to her heart one too many times. Because his smile directly stares into a void she doesn't know she has. Because with him she finally feels acceptance. Because she allows herself to feel comfort when he is around.

Because she can't help it. Because he fulfills the void of where love once was. Because with him, she feels peace. Because her eyes tells him a story that he can only read. Because his arm around hers feels like a comfort blanket. Because his presence reminds her of the worth she once felt as a child.

Because her childhood home walls reeked of fear. Because her father's yells still echoes in the hallways. Because her mother cries flooded into her main airway. Because her father left one day before she came home for school. Because her mother became an empty vessel. Because no one showed her it's possible to feel peace without another.

Because she feels like she has no one else. Because without him, the cries for love that she tries to ignore sits inside her bones. Because his green eyes told her "I won't let you go." Because she for once, gets to call someone her home.

P.S

This interpretation is more for those who struggle with a harsh upbringing/past either from parents or partnerships. If you struggle with a disorganized attachment style or have harsh placements such as:

Scorpio/Cancer/Pisces/8H/12H Sun, Moon, Venus, or rising + heavy earth placements/planets that fall in your earth houses

Virgo/Capricorn Sun, Moon, or rising with heavy water placements/planets that fall in your water houses

7H stellium in a water or earth sign with 2+ more of these listed placements/aspects (there likely need to be contradictions in your natal chart that go against your 7H stellium)

If your Sun, Moon or Venus make oppositions/squares/conjunctions with Pluto/Neptune/Uranus (sometimes Mars if you also have 2+ of these listed placements/aspects)

Your IC (4H) is in: Aries, Virgo, Capricorn, Scorpio, Aquarius with Saturn/Pluto/Neptune/Uranus/Lilith/Chiron

8H/12H stellium/placements with asteroids falling in there such as Lilith or Chiron (especially if those placements make oppositions, squares or conjunctions to your Sun, Moon, rising, Venus or Mars)

Any natal placements that are in Fall/Detriment (such as planets falling in weak houses e.g., 10H Moon/4H Saturn etc or your natal placements are poorly placed e.g., Scorpio Moon/Libra Sun/Virgo Venus) that make aspects to your personal planets Sun/Moon/rising/Venus/Mars

North Node in the 8TH house (with 2+ polarized aspects listed above)

Then this post might resonate with you. Generally if you have any contradictions in your chart where there is a polarization with wanting love but also fearing it; then this would be for you.

If you do not struggle with a broken attachment style this may not resonate. 💫💫

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Astrology Observations

💫3rd house synastry increases ease with communication, especially when the Moon or Venus are involved, comfortability with sharing your feelings or thoughts/emotions will come natural.

💫For a woman, if she has an Aquarius Mars she will appreciate her partner to be visually or intellectually different.

Appearance Wise: someone who stands out in some way, someone who is comfortable in their feminine and masculine energy, someone who doesn't need outside validation from others, someone who is confident without being overly aggressive or forthcoming. Another note is someone who has an unique or artistic style, someone who puts effort in their wardrobe, (rings, necklaces, painted nails, accessories) Open-mindedness is very very ideal, and if they have more of a theoretical mindset with how they view the world brings in more attraction for the native.

💫4th house synastry (especially with conjunctions to your IC) will create an energy that brings you a sense of comfort you never knew was possible.

💫8th house friendships can also take on more of an intense dynamic, expectations still arise, especially for the person with more Scorpio/8H influence.

💫If you struggle with accepting intimacy, love, or romance but deal with South Node + water house synastry (along with other indicators of attraction such as aspects/house overlays/more past life synastry aspects) letting them go will feel impossible, especially if they bring you this type of curiosity you hardly feel from anyone else.

💫Neptune-Moon synastry doesn't get talked about enough. If attraction and desire are factors within relationships with harsh Neptune to Moon influence, the dynamic can feel fated. At one end of the spectrum the Neptune person can confuse the Moon person, the Neptune person can showcase as someone the Moon person can't really understand and yet there could be a desire to save or idealize them. Similar to Pluto influence the spectrum of the intensity depends on each souls but someone with a lot of Neptune/12th house placements in their natal chart will feel very drawn to this connection.

💫Vertex synastry comes at you unexpectedly. You could know someone for quite some time with no initial curiosity to know them better, but once they enter your atmosphere in some deep manner, you will feel very very close and comfortable with this person.

💫4th house synastry can elicit intense feelings especially if there are mutual IC conjunctions (bonus if each others Vesta asteroid conjuncts each others IC) as well as have Moon conjunct Pluto in the composite chart. These added factors will add more intense dependent need for this person.

💫Jupiter synastry is so cute. You will feel so optimistic when you're around this person. You can't help but feel like you can handle anything that comes your way, you're excited, content, and trusting of the individual looking at you (especially if you guys share more 4th house synastry).

💫Each water moon can struggle with extremes, in some shape or form.

💫 Individuals with natal 12th house placements (especially Venus) may often turn to music as a means of escaping reality.

💫Capricorn moon individuals struggle with accepting the fact that they have emotion. Often times their mother was absent or emotionally un-nurturing, leaving them to feel uncomfortable with sharing their emotions, they struggle with feeling safe, they may not have a direct resentment link towards their mother, but in some aspects her coldness leads them towards the same void of avoiding emotions they wish to escape from.

💫Libra stelliums are likely to find a partner, and with that partner they may lose their identity or self within them. They feel complete when another is "their person" but with it may also lead to codependency.

💫Libra karma can deal with issues of stating their opinions, thoughts, and desires. They may think it's easier to avoid conflict or disarray but all that does is create a deeper hole of forgetting who they truly are.

💫People with 8TH house natal placements (especially stelliums) are more likely to experience extremes in their life, whether it be with finances, partners, or emotion. It is likely that they can end up being dependent on another for resources/money etc.

💫Gemini placements (maybe even air placements in Gemini degrees) are more likely to be on the spectrum with their sexuality, it's more likely that they would be attracted to anyone they just find attractive. Although sexual attraction and romantic/emotional attraction are very different categories. You can be sexually attracted to someone but have no emotional or romantic desire for that individual, sexuality is a very complexed spectrum.

💫Sagittarius suns with Taurus risings handle pain with grace. More than likely if someone has these two placements with a poor placement Moon or harsh aspects towards the Moon/Sun/IC etc they are likely not to fixate or struggle with the emotional turmoil (compared to others).

💫Water moons typically have blurred boundaries with their mother. These placements manifest differently but boundaries when it comes to their mother or the love within their dynamic is often times more complicated.

💫Fire dominate/Venus individuals are more likely to have physical touch be their love language.

💫Gemini venus's get bored very easily, constant stimulation or some excitement in the dynamic is needed. (But 5H/7H/Cancer/Leo/Libra placements with a Gemini venus are less likely to become bored)

💫Moon-Mars & Venus-Asc synastry will create intense attraction almost instantly.

💫8th house stelliums are likely to deal with large sums of money at one point in their life, or they will owe others money, they will be given money, or other people's money becomes a major factor in their life; someway or somehow

💫9th house placements appreciate other people's culture, beliefs, thoughts, and ways of life that differ from their own.

💫Virgo's placements with prominent 10th house or Capricorn placements can create an individual to be very hard on themselves, the goals they place on themselves oftentimes exceed others, prompting them to feel less than if left unaccomplished or unproductive.

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8TH House Synastry: The Dilemma

This is my own personal interpretation of how someone would feel moving on from an 8th house connection (I have 12th house placements & a Scorpio moon that squares my Neptune)

It's so easy to say you've moved on from this person, sometimes they don't linger in your thoughts, sometimes they don't consume your mind, sometimes they don't even give you this high that you have felt from their gaze,

and then sometimes their presence becomes this unwarranted need, suddenly their eyes are the only thing that can make you feel okay, accepted and whole.

weeks, months even can go by and you tell yourself "i'm doing good, i haven't thought about them consistently for a few weeks" and then out of no where, you run into them,

you see their face, your stomach drops, your eyes fixate on their presence, and you suddenly feel the void within screaming their name.

in this instance; they don't make eye contact with you, they avoid conversation and withdraw their attention, and the part of you that says you've moved on disappears.

suddenly their lack of assurance shatters any value within, they aren't bringing that sense of peace or reassurance your soul craves and now all you can feel is this pit of pain in your stomach,

all you can feel is that you're not good enough, not worthy enough, and not valued enough,

all you can feel is that lack of wholeness you wish you could fix, and yet the one thing that would make everything feel better is them.

you're trying to move on, you know you have to let this part of you go, but saying good bye to them is saying goodbye to the one key that unlocks your ability to accept vulnerability, romance, and love.

you want nothing more than to share a connection with someone who your body deems as "safe", and their eyes are the only things that allow the parts of you that you wish you could be okay with, be accepted.

how do you say good bye to the one key that makes you feel the acceptance you can't feel on your own?

(this is why 8th house synastry constantly goes through cycles and loops, the highs and lows their soul gives you is never ending, especially if you are trying to heal your fear within. sometimes it feels amazing but when it's not amazing, all you are confronted with are all the inner voids your soul can't escape from)

These are my personal thoughts; I have a Scorpio Moon, 12th house placements with my Moon squaring Neptune and Venus sextiling Neptune, 8th house synastry hits me in my core; more so than the next considering I have a disorganized attachment style, but I wanted to write this to let other people know that you're not alone in healing from 8th house or Pluto connections. Saying good bye to them is like saying good bye to the one thing your soul craves the most, you're not alone

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4TH House Intimacy VS 8TH House Intimacy

With these two houses, deep feelings accumulate, and you can't help but feel close and drawn to the person who ignites themes related to your 4th or 8th house.

I wanted to make a post about how similar yet how profoundly different the type of intimacy that is felt between the two types of synastry. Especially if you both share more conjunctions with the IC/DC/South and North Node/Vertex/Neptune and soft aspects with Sun-Moon/Mercury/Venus/Jupiter

8th House Intimacy:

With this type of synastry, you feel so drawn and accepting of this person. You'll just look at them and their eyes alone will tell you how they feel; you'll know what they're thinking without them having to say a word. Their soul touches parts of you that you hide, suppress and ignore. Their eyes bring you this sense of wholeness you never thought was plausible. You want to showcase your emotional side and be vulnerable towards them. The type of intimacy and desire is so present, and so obvious; strangers can look at the both of you, and they'll feel that tension, they'll feel that type of desire that is sparked between both of your guys's gazes.

This intimacy that is created is more intense, sensual, lustful and more obvious, you just want to look into their eyes and fully accept their being. You're not afraid to fall in love and with that brings the desire to give a part of yourself to them. You feel this underlying risk of what it would mean if they left and yet the only thing that matters is their presence. You know their absence would unleash this deep rooted pain that you've never felt before but all you care about is that longing and want that they ignite in you. They allow you to give and receive such deep passionate love, the threshold of emotion that they create is so high no one else can reach it, not even you.

Deep conversations about each others souls are likely to take place, you want to be open and honest about the "darkest" parts of you since their presence elicits this acceptance in you that you can't feel alone. There's this lustful desire to kiss them and it could be overwhelming, the attraction reaches levels you never thought you'd be able to feel. (This is more accurate if both people are very attracted to to one another and willingly want to deepen the connection; sometimes the depths that can be reached may make them feel uncomfortable or uneasy).

You'll look at them and just feel this emotional deepness between the two of you and all you want to do is make them feel that emotional closeness that you've never felt before.

In all of it's essence, this synastry brings a longing for you to show them a part of yourself that you hide,

and with that you want them to accept your undeniable love.

Songs That Relate:

Is There Somewhere by Halsey

I'm Yours by Isabel LaRosa

Locksmith by Sadie Jean

All I Want By Kodaline

Iris by Goo Goo Dolls

Addicted by Kelly Clarkson (sums up the shadow side of this type of synastry)

Dark Side by Kelly Clarkson

If I Could Fly by One Direction

Sober by Selena Gomez

The Heart Wants What It Wants by Selena Gomez

Just a Little Bit of Your Heart by Ariana Grande

You Say by Lauren Daigle (more so how you gain value and worth by their reassurance and treatment towards you)

Bad Omens by 5 Seconds of Summer (more so represents the dynamic and relationship that can become)

My Dilemma by Selena Gomez and the Scene

Round and Round by Selena Gomez and the Scene

Your Love Is My Drug by Ke$ha (with more intense attraction aspects + 12th house synastry)

4th House Intimacy

With this type of synastry, the intimacy that is expressed is the safe care you've always wished you felt. Their eyes bring you this sense of comfort and trust that you never knew was possible. You just want to be next to them, you want to support them, and you wholeheartedly want to focus on their needs. You want to give them the type of love that your inner child never received.

Their presence brings you this sense of ease that you can't shake. You can't help but smile when you look at them, you can't help but want to share to them the most private parts of your soul that you're afraid to show others (especially if you have 8H/Scorpio placements).

When you're with them, their presence unlocks a part of your character that you typically hide away, because with them you feel this sense of reassurance just by their eyes alone, and if you're not one to be completely comfortable with showcasing your truest self to others, a part of you won't be able to let them go.

The feelings that will become evident is an overwhelming sense of trust. You'll have the desire to hold their hand and be close to them, and when you're together, everything will feel perfectly aligned. Conversations from your childhood are likely to resurface, and you may find that similar themes or experiences have occurred for both of you.

Explaining how you feel is not needed, there's just a given understanding that emanates between the two of you.

Their presence alone allows you to unlock a trust within that you won't be able to feel towards another.

This type of safeness feels so deep, it creates a tangible stable bond that feels undeniable, their soul becomes your anchor and you become theirs. you both will feel like each others home, and without their presence; that home will feel like it's missing.

Songs That Relate:

Older by 5 Seconds Of Summer

Look After You by The Fray

Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol

Control by Zoe Wees

Best Years by 5 Seconds Of Summer

Naturally by Selena Gomez

All at Once by The Fray (To me this depicts someone with a broken attachment style that struggles with holding onto safety, so therefore you would question and wonder if the feeling you are getting from them is enough, you wonder if someone out there would be "better," but the best person is right in front of you)

Heavenly by Cigarettes After Sex

(These songs and this 4th house description is more evident if you have more attraction based aspects/desire on your end, some may prefer more lust or passion; especially if neither planets conjuncts your IC)

Both types of intimacy delve beneath the surface, yet 4th house synastry can appear more grounded when compared to the intensity of the 8th house. In 4th house connections, there's a strong desire to share the most private parts of you since there is a sense of safety and comfort that's unparalleled. Conversely, with the 8th house, there's a urge to reveal your darkest and deepest parts of yourself that have been long suppressed. You want them to see every facet of your being, and for once, this doesn't bring you fear.

(Although for both initial desire and fatal attraction are also needed to cause intense feelings that can cause a shift)

All in all, with the 8th house your soul automatically cuirasses and holds on these feelings that they bring out in you, and so if one is unhealed or afraid of accepting the depth of this intimacy, fear will seep in, forcing you to self sabotage or ruin a connection your soul wants.

With the 4th house, there isn't this innate intensity that floods within you, but if you struggle with accepting your own character, you'll start to feel so comfortable and dependent on this individual. And without them you won't feel secure enough within to act, be or do things your truest self desires.

With both you can easily become so accustomed towards their presence and energy that they ignite in you; so much so you'll hold onto these undeniable desires to the point where without them, you'll be unable to feel like you.

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myun-saidthoughts · 8 months

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Only On Some Days

(A Glimpse into the Mind of Someone Navigating 8th/Pluto Synastry Challenges)

Sometimes you'll still long for someone you're no longer in contact with. It's been months since their eyes met yours, and yet the longing for their touch may linger; and this desire for them somehow still sits inside of you.

Some days are easier than others – sometimes the desire for them doesn't overpower; but on other days, all you can feel is that one lack that their eyes fixed, and all you feel is the fact that the absence of them intensifies that void you try to ignore.

You say you've moved on, you say that they no longer influence your mood or how you'll treat others, and on some days, this holds true – they no longer wield that power.

And then you're suddenly hit with this reminder that they still linger within your veins.

Without warning, that acceptance of receiving their love and the value they gave you is suddenly and softly calling their name. You try to ignore that voice, attempting to put it to rest but still, now and then you'll hear her cry. You tell her to be quiet, you say to yourself that you no longer want to need someone where without them, all you can feel is the lack of worth your soul desperately mourns for.

"I am who I am, and that is enough," you say to yourself. "I do not need someone to be the one key to my soul's worth. I do not need another person's eyes to bring me a sense of acceptance I deserve to feel on my own."

You know this,

And yet, a part of you still calls their name.

If you find yourself relating to this, you might be facing challenges related to 8th house synastry. On my page, there's a pinned ebook that comprehensively portrays and addresses every possible question concerning this kind of synastry. Inside, you'll discover insights, guidance, information about transits, and synastry overlays that offer clarity and an opportunity for introspection when dealing with this unique connection.

If you have any personal questions about the eBook my DMs are open!

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myun-saidthoughts · 9 months

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Hello! I really like how you explain things in your posts so i’m hoping you can help me understand this. There’s this person at work i have these placements with:

Me: Moon in their 1st house. Mercury & Venus in their 8th house. Mars & neptune in their 5th house. Lilith in their 8th house.

Them: Sun in my 5th. Moon in my 8th house. Uranus in my 8th house. Neptune in my 7th house. Pluto in my 5th house. & Lilith in my 10th house.

We also have moon & mars conjunct. My venus also conjuncts their lilith. All in the same sign.

Please, if you can explain this, I would greatly appreciate your take on it!

Hi thank you so much! Here are my thoughts:

Moon in their 1st House:

Depending on the sign and aspects, generally this would indicate that the Moon person will feel naturally comfortable around the house person. When they are next to them, the Moon person may feel an ease or comfortable with sharing their emotions, feelings or thoughts. If the Moon makes pleasant aspects towards other inner planets of the House person, then the chances of the Moon person feeling more at ease with expressing their inner most thoughts are more likely. If they make some harsh aspects, there might be more reluctance or resistance of accepting the House person's advances. There might be a underlying feeling of trust when the Moon person is next to the house person.

Your Venus in their 8th House & Their Moon in your 8th House:

This might add more intensity and pull in this relationship, but the sign these two planets are in and their aspects would gauge a better story with how these two planets would interact. But looking at both of your guys synastry charts, you both share mutual 8th house synastry, therefore the depth and pull might manifest for both of you. Having your Venus in their 8th house while their Moon in you 8th house can create a desire to unleash emotional vulnerability and acceptance. Whoever struggles with vulnerability or emotional intimacy would more than likely feel this connection intensely (but if neither of you struggle or have 8th/12th/Scorpio/Pisces placements or if Pluto/Neptune aren't prominent then these 8th house overlays may serve less intensely).

You both might view each other as keys to accepting deep intimacy and vulnerability you never knew was possible. They might have more romantic attraction towards you if they are normally a closed off person, and you might feel emotionally open to share a part of yourself that you normally hide.

(To add your Mercury in their 8th house also can show that your words or conversations might trigger emotional healing or emotional vulnerability for them)

Sun and Pluto in Your 5th House:

This is more of a lighthearted, playful fun dynamic. The Sun person may bring out a creative/playful side out of the House person. The Sun will feel at ease and more keen on going out/romance/partying even. You both might feel like it's always fun with one another and the Sun might bring in more of a fun side for the House person. But that being said, having their Pluto in your 5th house may create more extremes in your guys life. Spending time together in creative/fun outlets might bring some sort of transformation for the house person, (or maybe for Pluto as well). Their presence might ignite some hidden creative pursuits you have, or they might change your ideas about romance, love, creativity; maybe they make you want to have kids, or they bring you a sense of accepting parts of your 5th house that you wouldn't have considered before. They also might ignite a more confident/carefree you, it's easy to touch and hold onto your inner child, which makes it easy for you to have fun or conversations with them.

That being said, conjunctions in synastry are very powerful aspects, more times than not when there are tight conjunctions then the energy between the two of you is felt on both ends. Harsh Moon-Mars aspects showcase very high attraction and desire, along with Lilith-Venus will ignite similar deep want for one another.

There is high attraction for you both but depending on your co-workers chart would determine if he is enticed by this energy or not.

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myun-saidthoughts · 9 months

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Being the venus person in an 8h synastry is different & a unique experience. I’ve experienced being other planets here (sun, moon, mars etc) but it’s always uncomfortable and I end up really despising the house persons. Though, as the venus I feel much more love, still intense & hard sometimes but a lot better. What do think about this?

That's really interesting! But it makes sense with how unique 8th house synastry can play out.

Venus alone is a very romantic, pleasurable, joyous planet. I have dealt with 8th house synastry and have had 3 people that fell in my 8th house, and with two of them it was only their Moons, but with the 3rd person his Venus and Moon fell in my 8th house, and he was the main one who brought in more romantic feelings and desire on my end (Though his Moon and Venus aspected my inner planets, and we share more attraction based aspects therefore since my attraction for him was extremely high, the desire for him grew even stronger compared to the other 2 boys where their Moon fell in my 8th house).

(I have a whole post about how each of them played out in my life, if you're interested with understanding the House person more, it's down below)

I really do think initial attraction/aspects of the planet falling in the 8th house creates the attraction. Especially if you're someone who's closed off or someone who feels uncomfortable with unlocking parts of you that is hidden. To add, if you don't have 8th house/Scorpio natal placements or Pluto aspecting your inner planets then the energy that the 8th house synastry can bring may feel overwhelming or uncomfortable.

If you end up despising the House person, it could be because they might create or ignite more extreme behavior and not everyone prefers that kind of energy. Perhaps too clingy or too possessive? Or they might expect certain energy and behaviors from you that you don't feel comfortable with embodying? It's all subjective to be honest! I've dealt with 7th house synastry and because of lack of attraction and because I feel so uncomfortable with accepting my 7th house needs, I was repulsed. Therefore for you when you deal with 8th house synastry (not with Venus) they might be unlocking energy that you don't feel comfortable with accepting.

Each planet harbors different themes/feelings/experiences. Therefore it makes sense (to me) to prefer Venus with this type of synastry since Venus rules love and attraction. It also rules beauty so attraction would reign higher compared to the Sun or Mercury.

In one short explanation:

Sun/Moon/Mercury = When these planets lands in the 8th house then the Planet person (or you) will bring and light up hidden aspects of the 8th house soul. Your presence alone might create a gateway key for them to open or become vulnerable with you, and because of that pressure, burdens may arise, especially in you.

So aspects of your Planet making to the House person would create more tension or ease! It all depends.

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myun-saidthoughts · 9 months

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Does an 8th synastry last? Like for marriage and beyond or is it dependent on the composite chart as well?

I believe it can, it depends on the individuals soul really, that alone would dictate if this type of synastry can become longterm.

Some people prefer the intensity and depth that the 8th house can bring, and some don't. Other synastry aspects/house overlays would create a better story with how longterm this type of connection can be.

If there is heavy 8h but also 3h/11h house overlays or prominent soft aspects with Mercury & Saturn to inner planets then this would create a more ease with communication and ease with settling down.

The composite is a chart of both energies combined, while it can show you how certain dynamics works, it inevitably depends if each soul wants to accept the connection or not.

If one person is heavy Neptunian/Plutonian, with 4th/8th/12th or have Pluto/Neptune aspecting their own natal placements then the connection this person will long for is something deeply transformational, ethereal and ultimately life changing. This individual will long for their partner eyes and touch to unlock sides of them that they bury or keep hidden. Yet if the person in question has more Air or 3h/6h/11h placements then this individual would need more mental stimulation to stay interested. Normally these individuals aren't comfortable with getting into their feelings and in an extreme sense may not feel safe to understand their shadow self or reflect on their decisions etc, and if someone walks into their life highlighting those hidden parts of them (their 4th/8th/12th houses), they will likely run away.

So that being said, I do believe this type of synastry can last especially if the individual is emotionally and spiritually evolved , it's mainly about if they are willing to accept the depths and changes that might occur when dealing with this type of overlays.

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myun-saidthoughts · 9 months

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Why 8th House/Pluto Synastry is Karmic and Transformative:

(May feel more true for those who have attachment style issues and that have low self worth/value due to past partnerships/parents)

When someone's Pluto touches your inner planets or if someone's inner planets fall into your 8th house then this type of connection will feel all-consuming, intense, deep and expectations for how the other partner should act is overwhelmingly present; even if you wish their actions wouldn't cause a reaction, logic ceases to exist.

The reason why these feelings are so transformative is because, with this person, once they're next to you they bring you this acceptance within where you allow yourself to let someone in, their presences allows your soul to accept loves offer and for once you aren't afraid of letting that wall you've built crumble down.

With them you look into their eyes and you see the version of yourself not struggling with intimacy, you see the version of yourself not struggling with vulnerability, you look into their eyes and you finally feel like the person you've always wished you were.

But only when you're with them,

Only when their eyes meet yours is when you feel this fulfillment, and every time they walk away the part of your soul that's wishing to be seen leaves with them.

Everyone that causes a shift in your life is a direct reflection of what you feel within, so when someone enters your life and they are igniting parts of you that you bury, their presence becomes this "thing" that you'll always need in order to feel whole.

You want nothing more than to allow yourself to fall for someone that is deemed safe, yet no one's eyes but theirs will give you that green light.

You're unable to feel okay with the idea of having someone be yours and you're uncomfortable with letting this part of you that's been hidden, shunned, confined, out.

They are only a mirror of what your soul is wishing to reach, they create this frequency (or feeling) in you where all the pain, abandonment, loss, disappointment, and fear suddenly is vanished, so how do you choose to walk away from that key that unlocks the one feeling you can't feel on your own?

Within the midst of this, your soul is aware of how damaging the lack of them will cause, you're aware of the destruction you will feel if they walk away, you're aware that if they leave all that pain you've shunned away will reach the surface and overflow into your main airway, leaving you unable to breathe, leaving you unable to feel the version you wish you were when you're next to them.

And yet the second you decide you've had enough, the second you let the value that they give you go, the value and worthiness you've longed for will welcome you in, with open arms, and with grace.

The second you let the version of you that you thought they gave you; go, you'll start to become aware of the change and transformation within, once you choose yourself, once you decide your soul is worthy, valuable, and deserving of the type of care you never got to touch; the you that was once was will no longer be present, the you that once was will no longer take over your consciousness, and it will never hold power over you.

You'll become aware of the fact that the love your soul was searching for was there all along, hiding away into the depth of your consciousness, before that key waltzed in, this part of you was afraid of making itself seen, it was afraid of accepting the one thing it wanted the most.

And so that one key that you were clinging onto was only the first step into receiving the unconditional love your highest self knows you deserve.

They had to walk away for you to be able to find that missing puzzle piece that was hiding inside of you.

This synastry is so transformative because with this type of pain, brings in immense growth, compassion, understanding and self worth that never once seemed plausible, it brings in unconditional love that you never thought was safe, it brings in the self value that you searched for in other people's gazes, and it brings in letting go of the need for others souls to make you feel whole.

Once you grieve and let go of that past self, all your wounds, all your hidden fears, your resistance to embrace love's offer will pave the way for a renewal, birthing the version of yourself that your highest self always recognized within.

Once you're capable of releasing that self doubt and undergo the transformation your soul is asking for within, will you then be able to open your heart to accept true love, care, and acceptance that someone else can give.

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