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Not sure where JC keeps asking him to be himself again 🤔 he's pretty delighted to have such a powerful "weapon" as far as the text goes. He only ever gets annoyed at him for not carrying his sword - otherwise he doesn't care at all.
He also hangs out with ghosts because he empathises with them and it's part of his cultivation. Yes, people are pulling away from him because of rumours and the way JC is beginning to treat him, but it's not just because he's lonely.
post-war Wei Wuxian choosing to hang out with reanimated corpses because he no longer feels like he belongs with the living, because he bears the responsibility for the destruction of his clan, because he has given up his golden core, because he has survived unknown horrors through unknown means, because the only thing that kept him going was revenge and now that that’s done, why is he even here? the only people he occasionally chooses to interact with are his siblings and Lan Wangji and only because they allow him a glimpse of how things used to be, of who he used to be, before the trauma of his self sacrifice, before the horrors of the Burial Mounds, before the depravity of his own acts of revenge, for which he is both lauded and hated in equal measure, but which have cemented the death of who he was just a few short months ago. but both LWJ and JC keep asking him to go back to being the person he can no longer be, and it’s not like he can talk to anyone about what he’s going through, so it’s better to be alone with nefarious creatures who are as damaged as him.
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Sharing this amazing meta again because I've just seen someone claim WWX addressing LWJ with his new title as a "fuck off" when it was anything but!
I don't know why people think WWX was hostile towards LWJ prior to the misunderstanding that he thought LWJ was judging his new cultivation path. He wasn't. Like at all. They left on good terms - the fact WWX woke up after escaping the slaughter cave and asked where LWJ was is proof of that. WWX also plays Wangxian... Because of an unconscious fond connection to LWJ. WWX only got upset when he thought LWJ thought he was evil.
WWX meeting LWJ post Burial Mounds escape
The chapters entitled "Evil" (or the more aptly named "ill winds" - 7s), is where we finally see the true extent of how traumatised WWX has become after escaping the Burial Mounds. In my opinion, it has some of the most heartbreaking scenes in the whole novel.
His lips trembled, saying something in silence. Jiang Cheng stood up almost immediately.
It was Wei WuXian!
However, apart from the face, from top to bottom, this person was nowhere like the past Wei WuXian.
Wei WuXian had clearly been a bright, high-spirited boy. The tips of his eyes and eyebrows had always retained the hint of a grin, always refusing to walk properly. Yet, this person was entirely
enveloped in a cold, dark energy. He was handsome, yet pale-faced, his smile eerie.
Chapter 62 ExR translations
In all honesty, the minute I read the description of WWX in this chapter, a tear rolled down my cheek. In fact, I continued to cry silently throughout this chapter as I read it. The difference in WWXs appearance and personality just broke my heart to read. To some extent, the fact we never fully find out what WWX went through during those three months trapped in the Burial Mounds, could almost be worse than knowing. With MXTX leaving it up to our own imaginations to fill in the gaps on his torturous time there, most of our minds probably go somewhere awfully dark and extremely unpleasant, very quickly.
Wen ZhuLiu couldn’t attend to both sides at the same time, blundering amid the chaos. As he looked to the side and saw Wei WuXian’s cold smile, he threw himself at him. Both of the two on the roof frowned. Lan WangJi smacked down. The tiles shattered and the roof collapsed. Through the roof, he descended into the second floor of the courier station and
blocked Wen ZhuLiu from Wei WuXian.
In an effortlessly cool fashion, LWJ descends from the broken roof in a shower of tiles and a flutter of white robes, in order to protect WWX. If WWX had been his usual self at this point, I think he might have swooned! It was pretty epic. It's a 10 from me as far as dramatic entrances go! LWJ, falling with style.
WenZhuLiu’s large, heavy body had been lifted up by the surging whip and was now dangling in the air.
Immediately, there came the crunching sounds of his neckbones cracked. At the same time, Wei WuXian’s pupils shrunk. He took out a flute from beside his waist and spun around, standing
up. The ghoul child and blue-faced woman who had been tearing at
Wen ZhuLiu quickly backed off to his side and stared with vigilance at the two strangers.
Meanwhile JC takes advantage of the sudden distraction and attacks WZL, using Zidian to garrote the man who murdered his mother and father. At the same time, the minute WWX sees LWJ and JC, he does not react the way he should. Even in the current circumstances, you would assume he would be happy to see JC, at the very least. And let's be honest, WWX is usually rather excited to see LWJ! But seeing them just now only evoked negative emotions, resulting in WWXs pupils contracting. Shrinking pupils usually indicates anger or anxiety - and I think it's safe to assume it's most likely anxiety here. From his reaction, we can see WWX seems almost nervous that he's been found out. He is somewhat uncomfortable that LWJ and JC have witnessed his behaviour - he wasn't expecting an audience!
The ghoul child snarled at Lan WangJi and Jiang Cheng, not at all hiding its enmity. Wei WuXian raised his hand slightly for it to withdraw its fangs. His gaze swept back and forth between Lan WangJi and Jiang Cheng. Among the three, nobody spoke up.
A few moments later, Jiang Cheng waved his arm and tossed something over. Wei WuXian caught it without a second thought. Jiang Cheng, “Your sword!”
Wei WuXian’s hand slowly dropped.
He looked down at Suibian and only responded after a pause, “… Thank you.”
Again, if WWX is around things aren't usually that quiet! As such, there is an awkward moment where no one speaks. This is most likely because the two who fell with style only minutes ago, are probably in shock at what they have witnessed. WWX is uncharacteristically silent, possibly because he is worried they will judge him for the severity of his actions and the method he is using to extract such vicious revenge. In the end JC finally breaks the ice because he is simply not as concerned about the whole situation. He's relieved to see WWX is back and seems intrigued by his new cultivation method - but he doesn't seem concerned by the stark difference in WWXs personality and demeanor. If anything, JC seems positively delighted to see WWX so fixated on unspeakable revenge. The coldness around WWX starts to dissipate as he notices JC is not treating him any different from usual and he starts to open up a little more. Although he's still reluctant to fully address everything.
From the corner of his eye, Wei WuXian saw that Lan WangJi had always been looking at them.
WWX has been watching LWJ from the corner of his eye since they first appeared. The fact he has been purposefully avoiding his gaze shows us he's nervous and worried about how LWJ might perceive him now. WWX has always wanted LWJ's attention, now he has it under less than ideal circumstances - which is just so heartbreakingly poignant. Instead of having his assumptions confirmed, he chooses to ignore LWJ, which is something WWX has never done before.
Wei WuXian, “I just got out, hey? I heard that both shijie and you were fine, and you were rebuilding the YunmengJiang Sect and forming an alliance, so I went to kill a few Wen-dogs first to lighten up your burden, and do some contributions. In these three
months, you’ve been working hard.”
WWX has somehow received information regarding JC and JYL. It's safe to surmise he would have been very anxious to find out if they were okay. Of course on a re-read, we can probably speculate WWX would have been keen to know how JC was doing post golden core transfer as well.
So from the above we can assume that over the past few days, since WWX escaped the Burial Mounds, he most likely asked around regarding the people he cares most about. In fact, it's probably the first thing he did alongside cleaning himself up and buying new clothes. There is a telling sign that WWX has also been enquiring (or at the very least, listening and taking interest in what people are saying) about LWJ as well. Which we'll get to in a minute. Just as WWX starts to thaw out and open up a little, LWJ finally calls out to him.
Lan WangJi suddenly spoke up, “Wei Ying.”
He had been standing quietly at the side. As he spoke, both Wei WuXian and Jiang Cheng turned to him. It was as though Wei WuXian finally remembered to greet him. He nodded slightly, “HanGuang-Jun.”
We know from earlier in the chapter, WWX is very well aware that LWJ is present, just as he always is whenever LWJ is nearby. So it's not that he forgot to greet LWJ, but more he's reluctant to do so. It's quite obvious WWX is nervous about LWJs inevitable reaction towards his new cultivation technique.
WWX calling LWJ by his title when greeting him in the above scene is actually rather significant. This is the first time he's ever done so in his first life thus far. From what we can gather, LWJ has only just obtained the title, presumably during the Sunshot Campaign. Although we aren't told this outright, it's the only conclusion we can arrive at due the information provided in the novel. So technically, WWX shouldn't know anything about his title yet. He's only been back a few days and the cultivation world is at the start of a war. As amazing as LWJ is, it's probably one of the least important facts that you would tell a random person enquiring about the war and the Jiang sect. Unless WWX specifically asked about Second Young Master Lan... because he was worried about him also.
Personally, I think it's pretty safe to assume that LWJ obtained his title during his most recent valiant efforts during the Sunshot Campaign. LWJ has not been addressed as HanGuang-Jun until this moment in time onwards. It's not until we read the second Incense Burner chapter from the extras, that we get more evidence that this is most likely the case.
The Lan WangJi of tonight’s dream still appeared to be young, but he was more like the one Wei WuXian saw in the Cave of the Xuanwu, about seventeen or eighteen.
Chapter 119
As we can see from the above, in one of the incense induced dreams, WWX meets a 17/18 year old LWJ. He mentions that LWJ looks around the age he was during their time together in the cave of the Xuanwu of Slaughter. WWX then goes on to playfully call LWJ by his title HanGuang-Jun, while teasing and provoking him. But we find out that the 17/18 year old DreamJi doesn't understand this reference, because he has not received the title yet.
He didn’t have the spare energy to think about whom HanGuang-Jun was either, his voice harsh, “Wei Ying!!!”
With this in mind, it only gives us a short period of time for LWJ to have gained the title amid the nearly four months in between their time in the cave and the two meeting in the above chapter.
WWX addressing LWJ as 'HanGuang-Jun' during Chapter 62 holds so much meaning - even more than some might have noticed on a first read. WWX is already on the defensive with LWJ, because he knows how his sect feels about what they deem "improper" cultivating methods. As such, we could conclude he's drawing a line between them by using LWJ's formal title when he finally addresses him. It's a stark contrast to his usual casual way of addressing LWJ by his birth name. But WWX goes on to use his birth name after greeting him, so it seems this might not be the case.
As I said earlier, WWX using LWJ's title is also a telling sign he has been asking (or perhaps heard) about him post Burial Mounds escape. This could actually be quite a sweet little slip-up that shows us just how much he truly cares for LWJ. WWX literally escapes hell on earth and has to find out how LWJ is doing - which is just too cute! It's certainly very much in his character to worry about LWJ, as we've seen numerous times before. It's very interesting, because in the original version of MDZS, it seems WWX does not use his title during the chapter in question. MXTX seems to have added this small detail in when editing the novel - which means it is most likely there for a reason. Personally I think this is MXTX subtly hinting at WWXs feelings for LWJ, showing the reader he was not only thinking about him, but concerned for his welfare - just as he was with JC and JYL. Adding such a tiny detail to quite a sad and gory chapter is a beautifully delicate, creative way to show that underneath the trauma and thirst for revenge, WWX is still the same sweet natured person he has always been. LWJ is always on WWXs mind, even when his mind is in turmoil.
He walked one step forward, “What means do you use to control such dark creatures?”
The curvature of Wei WuXian’s lips dropped slightly as he glanced at him. Jiang Cheng had also heard the dissonant tone, “Second Young Master Lan, what do you mean by this?”
Lan WangJi’s eyes were glued to Wei WuXian, “Answer me.”
LWJ is worried about WWX and the technique he is using to control the ghosts that are currently present. But WWX is reluctant to explain how he is controlling them, because he has already guessed how LWJ is going to react.
“Lan Zhan, we’ve just met each other again after so long and you’re already trying to catch me. That’s not nice, is it?”
Although, WWX originally called LWJ by his new title, he has reverted back to using his birth name - even though there is some tension between them. Personally I think this shows WWX is showing he is hurt, rather than angry with LWJ at this moment in time. WWX is still clinging onto the familiarity he feels he has with LWJ, trying to reason with him and avoid conflict.
“I thought that we could be considered familiar with each other. You starting a fight with me without saying anything does sound a bit heartless, doesn’t it?”
Unfortunately although LWJ's questions come from a place of concern for him, WWX thinks LWJ is acting this way because he does not like the cultivation technique he is using. WWX is notably upset that LWJ seems to oppose his new method. Learning how to harness resentful energy and cultivating the ghostly path was the only way WWX could survive in such an awful place, doing so saved his life and allowed him to escape. So WWX is probably feeling very frustrated and rejected by LWJs attitude, because WWX had no choice but to cultivate this new path. Not that LWJ knows the reason behind any of this of course, but LWJ jumping to conclusions has clearly cut WWX rather deeply. It's quite sad to see WWX trying to reason with LWJ and appeal to any feelings of friendship he might harbor for him. To me, his reaction to LWJ's attitude shows us how much he truly values any relationship they might have. Rather than arguing or fighting him, he tries to diffuse the situation.
Wei WuXian crossed his flute in front of him, “That’s too much, isn’t it? Why so unfriendly? Lan Zhan, just what in the world do you want to do?”
Lan WangJi spoke one word at a time, “Go back to Gusu with me.”
Hearing this, both Wei WuXian and Jiang Cheng were surprised.
Quickly afterward, Wei WuXian laughed, “Go back to Gusu with you? To the Cloud Recesses? Why go there?”
He immediately seemed to realize, “Oh. I forgot. Your uncle Lan QiRen hates crooked people like me. You’re his proudest disciple, so of course you’re the same as him, haha. I refuse.”
WWX is still using LWJ's birth name, even though tension is starting to soar. He's still trying to be as friendly as possible towards LWJ, making light of the situation as best he can. WWX even brushes off what he assumes is LWJ's insistence he accompanies him back to his sect, presumably for punishment. Of course although WWX stated he "forgot" about the Lan sects views on certain cultivation methods, we know this is simply not true. His body language and reluctance to acknowledge LWJ is enough proof he is lying. Not to mention less than four months ago, while stuck in the cave of the Xuanwu of Slaughter, WWX was very cautious mentioning anything about the iron sword he found. So we can see that he must remember quite clearly how LWJ's sect would react to his cultivation method.
He gazed at Wei WuXian, “Wei Ying, for cultivating an evil path you would eventually have to pay. Throughout time, there has not been a single exception.”
Wei WuXian, “I can pay.”
Seeing how unconcerned he seemed to be, Lan WangJi lowered his voice, “The path would not only damage your body, but your heart as well.”
Wei WuXian, “Damage or not, how much damage, I know it the most. As for my heart, it’s my heart after all. I know what I’m doing.”
Lan WangJi, “Some things you cannot be able to control at all.”
Displeasure flashed across Wei WuXian’s face, “Of course I can control it.”
WWX is obviously losing patience with LWJ's insistence that this new cultivation method will harm him. He tries to reason with LWJ further, telling him that he knows this new method better than anyone (he developed it himself after all!) and he can control it.
Lan WangJi walked a step closer. He seemed to be about to speak again when Wei WuXian closed his eyes, “After all, on the topic of how my heart is, what could other people know about it? Why should other people care about it?”
Lan WangJi paused. He had suddenly been angered, “… Wei WuXian!”
This sentence is just so heartbreaking to read. It's a rather cutting remark, especially considering we know how LWJ truly feels about WWX. The fact WWX shuts his eyes and is unable to meet LWJ's gaze as he said it is very telling as well. Shutting your eyes while talking to someone is an act of shutting them out. It's an unconscious gesture often called eye blocking, a reflexive movement from someone who is lying and anxious- which is definitely the case here. WWX wants others to care about him and his heart, especially when it comes to LWJ, on a subconscious level.
WWXs comment certainly struck a nerve with LWJ, so much so he lost his composure and called WWX by his courtesy name. LWJ is visibly distressed by WWX's apparent disregard for his own worth, which of course is a lie, hence him shutting his eyes. But he is also hurt by WWX using the comment to draw a line between them, to place LWJ as an "other" in his life. WWX doesn't mean this of course, right up until this very point he was still clinging to hope they were friends or at the very least, familiar with one another. It is only when he is so hurt and angered by LWJs attitude that he reminds LWJ he has always said they weren't close - so how would he know anything about WWX. LWJ pauses because his own previous reluctance to acknowledge they are acquainted has finally come back to bite him on that sexy ass of his.
Wei WuXian had been angered as well, “Lan WangJi! Do you really have to make this difficult at such a point in time? You want me to go to the Cloud Recesses for the GusuLan Sect’s confinement punishment? Who do you think you are, what do you think the GusuLan Sect is?! You really think that I won’t resist?!”
LWJ using his courtesy name is the final push WWX needed to get angry. He shouts LWJ's courtesy name back at him and rebukes his attempt to bring him back to his sect. The atmosphere in the room has become extremely belligerent, resulting in WWX and JC working in tandem to argue with LWJ. Finally JC takes a swipe at LWJ and verbally kicks him while he's down, with one of the harshest remarks I think is in the novel.
“Apologies for saying something so blunt, but even if we get to the bottom of this, Wei WuXian isn’t from your sect either. It’s not in the GusuLan Sect’s place to punish him. No matter whom he goes back with, it wouldn‟t be you.”
Hearing this, Lan WangJi’s expression froze. He looked up at Wei WuXian, the lump at his throat trembling, “I…”
Before he could continue, a thin scream came from Wen Chao at the corner. Wei WuXian and Jiang Cheng immediately turned around.
There's no other way to say this... When I read this comment from JC I literally swore. Out loud. Like a crazy person. Some will argue otherwise I'm sure, but as I've mentioned in my previous meta, I fully believe that JC suspects WX have unspoken feelings for each other. Granted he's probably not aware of their exact feelings, but he has certainly picked up on something. MXTX has confirmed as such herself as well. JC is definitely threatened by LWJ and his usual influence over WWX. Personally, I think the comment above goes on to prove all of this further. It all seems very personal and the last sentence comes across as deliberately harsh and hurtful. Why say that to him if he doesn't suspect it would hurt LWJ to hear such a cutting remark. JC is definitely his mother's son, with such a viciously sharp tongue. JC even witnessed LWJ's concern for WWX a few days prior, when he noticed JC carrying Suibian and asked about him. But now, he's leveraging the current situation to drive an even bigger wedge between WWX and LWJ.
What's even more upsetting is that LWJ starts to visibly shows his emotions at this point, obviously finally unable to hide the distress and worry for WWX. Under normal circumstances WWX would have noticed this instantly - because he's exceptionally good at reading people. He has even been able to read LWJ (at times) since their time together at the Cloud Recesses, he just refuses to accept it! If WWX was in the right frame of mind, he'd have been hit by LWJs sudden display of emotions and perhaps understood his true intentions weren't what he had first assumed. Sadly WWX is too traumatised and wrapped up in his current overwhelming thirst for revenge to notice anything other than the screams of his dying enemy. As WWX and JCs attention becomes focused elsewhere, preparing to kill WC and WZL, they "suggest" LWJ leave the room, his assistance no longer required.
A few moments later, Lan WangJi turned around and walked down the stairs.
After he went out of the courier station, he stood before the door for a long time, but he never left.
He didn’t know how long had passed when the silent nightwas ripped apart by a shrill wail.
Lan WangJi looked up behind him, his white robes and forehead ribbon fluttering in the cold wind.
The night had passed. The sun in the sky was about to rise. And the sun on the ground was falling.
I think the fact LWJ leaves the building, but still stays nearby is symbolic of his resolve to stay near WWX and protect him no matter what. LWJ will not give up on WWX and he later proves he never does - even if he might lose his own life in doing so.
The final paragraph of this chapter is just so poetic. Personally I think this has a double meaning. Obviously it is symbolic of the fall of the Wen sect, the self-proclaimed sun of the cultivation world who lorded over the other sects from their lofty position. But I think this could also show the unspeakable emotions LWJ is feeling at this moment in time. WWX is a cheerful and vibrant person, he's very enigmatic and LWJ must absolutely adore this. He is the brightest person in LWJs life, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to claim WWX is the light of his life - or in other words, the sun. As such, this could also symbolise LWJ's fear that WWX is also falling. That WWX is losing himself, darkening his heart and becoming something else, because of his thirst for revenge and the cultivation method he has created. Obviously we know that WWXs heart is not darkening and his method isn't harmful, which LWJ eventually realises as well.
Unfortunately the whole cultivation world begins to turn against WWX and this marks the start of his demis and LWJs sun finally setting. He tries everything in his power to protect it, to keep it shining and prevent it from descending. But sadly LWJ is unable to stop his beloved sun from burning out. Then, just as there is always sunshine after darkness, LWJ gets a second chance to protect his bright shining sun and this time he will not let it fall, because he will always be there to catch it.
#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#mdzs novel#wei wuxian#mdzs meta#mdzs analysis#long post#hanguang jun#sunshot campaign
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Urgh.... Nooooooooo!
I've just seen fanwork of WWX and JYL making out 😩 WTF? She's literally a sister/mother figure to WWX.
There's zero romance there at all. So gross 🤢
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Not really sure if "fun" is the right word here.
But yeah, it matters.
Because as explained above, it's a serious health complaint that could have killed him. He wasn't just having a little nose bleed or anything. It's something people literally died of. It's like saying someone with a benign brain tumour just has a little headache. MXTX didn't name it because it didn't matter, because that scene really mattered. She didn't use the term because she expects us to understand what's happening already - especially as this novel was originally aimed at a Chinese readership who understands such concepts.
wait can you please speak more on WWX qi deviating after the LP confrontation with JC? I've always wondered what that sudden sickness was.
Hi anon 👋🏻
Of course! I think this detail is often missed because of the rest of the drama and overall poignancy of the scene. It's also never outright stated as a "qi deviation", but MXTX expects us to use the information she gave us in prior chapters to arrive at such a conclusion ourselves - as she so often does.
Not long before the scene in question, WWX and LWJ were a major part of the driving force that saved everyone from an onslaught of fierce corpses intent on attacking them all at the burial mounds. He was exhausted from that and even though he claims to have been exaggerating to "trick" LWJ into looking after him while on the boat to LP, he was still feeling the effects of the past few days catching up with him. After all, he was stabbed a few days prior to them travelling to Yiling as well.
All of the above, alongside the heightened emotions of the past few days; realising his feelings for LWJ, how deeply he feels them, if LWJ feels the same way, coming back to LP after such a long and traumatic time, living through a second siege of the burial mounds and facing his trauma head on at the very place he died - all quite an emotional rollercoaster for our beloved WWX.
Then the altercation with JC, where he is being verbally abusive, just pushes all those overwhelming emotions over the edge and causes WWX to have a minor qi deviation. That being said, it could have been fatal, as qi deviations often can be. Which is why some fans find JCs unwillingness to stop attacking WX (both verbally and physically) and refusing to let them leave when WWX was showing signs of his health deteriorating, all rather underhand. It's also why LWJ lost his cool a little and WN served him a verbal bitch-slap to shut him up and finally make JC understand just how much WWX has done to pay back his "debt" to the Jiang sect.
WWX was under great emotional stress at the time, feeling attacked for not only being in love with LWJ, but being once again wrongfully blamed for everything that happened at LP - which even JC admits is simply not true.
Qi deviations can occur for many reasons. I won't go into it too much right now, but one such reason (in the MDZS universe) is being greatly affected by emotions or becoming emotionally unstable. WWX is so overcome with all those strong emotions he begins to bleed from "the seven apertures" and even starts to faint, finally losing consciousness - which are signs of a qi deviation. We see examples of this earlier on in the novel with LQR and the cultivator who escaped the Mingshi for help once they all began bleeding from the apertures and essentially qi deviating. And again when LQR wakes up to shout at WWX and qi deviates once more - which is hilarious 🤣Obviously NMJ, and his father before him, both suffered similar symptoms before qi deviating and eventually succumbing to gruesome deaths as a result as well.
So there you have it anon ☺️ that's my understanding of qi deviations (in the MDZS universe, as the term/cause/effect can differ from one fiction to another) and my reading of the novel. I hope it helps to answer your question to some extent!
#mdzs#i really don't understand why it doesn't matter#it does#JC was still attacking him as WWX was possibly close to death#so yeah#it definitely matters
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Some misconceptions on WWXs flute...
Chenqing was just a normal dizi. Yes, it had a reputation, but at the end of the day it was simply a flute with a tragic backstory. It was not made of bamboo as others have claimed in recent posts. That's his second flute he made after coming back to life. Chenqing is described as being made of dark wood - alluding to it being made from a tree in the burial mounds - which are black.
It's not a vessel to channel anything, it's a tool WWX uses to calm his mind and therefore the ghosts he is controlling, that's all. WWX uses empathy to harness his cultivation method, he and others can do this without Chenqing or any instrument at all.
But yes, it is funny that this simple, ordinary dizi is thought to possess some unspeakable magic powers and has an infamous reputation for unjustly killing thousands. When in fact, it was an ordinary instrument that aided WWX in helping the dead use up their resentment and move on while fighting in a war, saving innocent people post-war and defending himself against attacks.
All the while, being a toddler's teething toy and a fidget spinner for WWX as well.
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You said it OP!
Hi! I would like to know what you think about the scene where JC walks in on WWX and LWJ bowing in the ancestral hall. There are a few things I'm not really clear about. First, does LWJ intend for those bows to count as wedding bows? Is that why he kneeled beside him, or was it only for the sake of decorum and being polite since he entered the hall? Secondly, i wonder if JC is only aware of their feeling for each other, or does he see them bow and believe that they are bowing to be married?
Hi 👋🏻
It's funny, because that scene packs such a punch to me. It's so poignant and overflowing with emotion. Just the fact WWX doesn't have memorial tablets for his own parents, breaks my heart. And the way he pays respect to the woman who abused him, holding nothing against her for what she did to him and reinforcing how WWX does not hold onto resentment.
But, to answer your question - as you already kind of mentioned, LWJ kneeled beside WWX because it is considered etiquette. That being said, it's also symbolic of WWX not having to do anything by himself anymore.
From now on, LWJ will be by his side. Whether it's fighting against an army of corpses, opposing a horde of cultivators coming after him or simply there to catch him jumping from a tree or kneeling in respect for the dead. He is not alone anymore and the act of praying by his side is not just because it is the done thing. It is LWJ showing, rather than saying "I am here". Which is why WWX takes a moment to stare at him tenderly. Because he knows this and appreciates all his small gestures.
Although it would seem JC did indeed witness them bowing in respect, as he followed the pair since he caught them hugging under the tree outside, I doubt he thought it was anything other than that. Homophobia eclipses his resentment toward them right up until he sees them enter his family's ancestral hall. At this point he is once again overcome with rage. Completely consumed by the fact they have the apparent "audacity" to visit his parents when he wrongfully holds them both accountable for their deaths and the downfall of Lotus Pier - even though he admits to himself that it's simply not true. Of course, such a thing only fuels the fire burning deep inside JC, already disgusted by their feelings for each other, he just erupts with fury and attacks them both verbally and physically.
I hope that answers your questions 😊
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You and me both @seafoamsandwhich
I honestly don't understand how people can't grasp that, considering all the textual evidence given (even without the nuance from the original Chinese text), it's so obvious! I think some people honestly just like to ignore it and make Wei Wuxian a bad guy so their favourite tragic character looks slightly less of a dick.
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
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WWX plays the flute so he's good with his mouth and LWJ plays the guqin so he's good with his hands in this essay i will-
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Not enough appreciation is given to the fact WWX canonically suggested that he and LWJ try suspension bondage after losing his virginity 😂
Wei Wuxian tried to coax his favor with kisses, while pleading
without a shred of dignity. “Er-gege, please have heart, let me live, we’ve
still got a whole life ahead of us. Um—you can fuck me again next time.
You could hang me up and fuck me, how about that? Let this poor baby
virgin go, please? Hanguang-jun is almighty, the Yiling Patriarch has lost
completely. Please finish up inside me already, we’ll fight this out again
another day.”
The kinks are strong in this one!
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No @worldwright ... That's actually MDZS 🤣
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
#mdzs#canon mdzs#not that fanon bs again#yes#wwx is the moral ideal#no one said he was pure and had never make a mistake#duh.
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You get it @squidspawn 😉
I love these observations! Yes, as you can see throughout the extras, WWX empathises with the dead and the reason they are unable to rest in peace and move on. He's even teaching the juniors to understand them more!
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
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I actually meant the lesson where WWX was literally teaching the class... Not LQR.
The chapter where WWX explained very clearly what the difference was between modao and guidao.
And where the FUCK can I claim WWX is the moral ideal. Well, bar the obvious facts that point to this in the novel and the fact you do not understand WWX's cultivation in the slightest - how about from the author's own mouth...
It was MXTXs intention. And I for one think that it was quite clear in the text, let alone the author saying as such.
Your perception of WWX being morally grey is so far from what the novel shows us. LQR condemned the use of entities resentment because he was concerned that said person would not be able to control it - he was, to a very limited extent, right, but not in the sense he assumed. WWX empathises with the dead and encourages them to use up the resentment festering within them, holding them back from moving on. He was the founder of this path and knows better than anyone (obviously due to experimenting with his path to stay alive in the burial mounds), the only issue is, if someone is struggling mentally as WWX was with mass amounts of PTSD and unimaginable stress, he lost control of his emotions and the entities he used reacted to those negative thoughts and went out of control.
WWX did go overboard during the war, but he admitted that and strived to ensure he never crossed that line again - which he did. That's what makes him the moral ideal. You don't have to be perfect to be the moral ideal 🙄 I wish people would understand this! WWX is only human, he's made mistakes, but he learns from them and recognises them as such. He is one of the few in the novel who do, hence he's the moral ideal of the novel.
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
#mdzs#wei wuxian#mdzs novel#mxtx intended wwx to be the moral ideal#it should be obvious#of course this is a about the idiotic wwx is morally grey agenda#because if his cultivation dares to be actually morally justified that makes him more morally good#and people can't stand that tipping the scales against there favourite immoral characters 🙄
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And replying in such a way without reading my full response closely enough shows yours is top notch! Of course 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Obviously that was me being sarcastic... @cum-villain if you actually read my reply you would see I responded to many things they said that were just totally off the mark.
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
#mdzs#I'm not sure what is with peoples reluctance to understand the Chinese text and nuance missed#fandom ignorance at its finest#'braincell' being the operative word there i think
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I'm sorry... wtaf @zykamiliah - did you even read MDZS or my initial post before writing your factually incorrect reply? Perhaps you should before doing so in the future...
You don't even have to understand his cultivation method to grasp the basic fact that the cultivation world FULLY understood WWXs guidao and chose to DISPARAGE it because a son of a servant dared to forge a new path that brought him immense power. Duh.
So of course that's not the takeaway. The takeaway is what you blatantly ignored in my original post... That some things are lost in translation and bringing important nuance that the original Chinese is rich with. Idiot.
I'm literally not even going to read your long assed reply because it is obvious you lack basic reading comprehension. WWX was never evil and he didn't do anything awful with it - if you'd had the common decency to actually read (you can do that right?) you would see that it was a fourth option that could SAVE souls. Try and wrap your tiny brain around that because highlighting translated text when I'm talking about the Chinese text is just stupid and embarrassing for you.
Your view of the whole novel is so far off it's ridiculous, I strongly suggest you read it again as your basic understanding of how resentment works and how it affects the dead is so far off it's not even funny.
FACT - The dead will rise if they carry resentment.
FACT - Using up that resentment helps them move on.
Ergo, you need to sit one of LQRs lessons and take some notes on cultivation before you can jump on this post and make it out like you know anything.
WWX respects the dead, he reburied them after they had used up resentment and even chatted with them! He was disgusted by XY claiming they were just objects to use. His path requires empathy, hence why XY is the true demonic cultivator in the novel. You really need to pay closer attention to a story when you're reading it. I don't even know why you bothered to write the above since, by your own admittance, you have not reread the novel and it's not your 'main'.
Everything I said in my original post are FACTS, based on actual text. So sorry if your headcanon doesn't fit with what the author intended, but that's MDZS. WWX is the moral ideal and guidao is not evil in the slightest.
So yeah, I will correct you, because you are most definitely wrong.
Guidao is beneficial to the dead, because it uses up their resentment and allows them to move on. WWX explained all this at the CR when he first theorised it. LQR only got annoyed because he wasn't listening to WWX properly (he had already judged him way before and was treating him unfairly) and he has a stick up his ass and is unwilling to budge from his precious rules and the "orthodox" method.
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
#mdzs#mdzs meta#wei wuxian#can we let moral ideals be what they are please#why bother replying if you didn't actually read my original post?#guidao is not harmful#the lesson during the CR arc could teach anyone that#so could the copious amount of facts that show us throughout the novel#LWJ would not be happy to let WWX use such a method if it were evil or damaging to souls#the lan sect would not even entertain the fact such a “evil heretic” was married into the sect either if that were the case#he's literally been (begrudgingly) accepted as his husband by the Lan clan! you think they'd do that if he were using an evil path? pft no!#why did you even bother
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It really is beautiful and I wish it was portrayed more clearly in the translations as well @prettypunkgeek 😊
Unfortunately, the Untamed is somewhat different to the novel due to censorship and ironically, by adhering to these rules, they have made WWXs cultivation more modao than guidao because they are technically living humans at times, if memory serves me right?
Also, just to clarify, the cultivation world are very well aware of what WWX's path entails and that it is not demonic. They are just calling it modao to disparage his efforts and cover-up the fact he's outshining them all. It is technically an "unorthodox" path because it is not one recognised and used by sects - which is probably why LQR got so worked up, because he's too ridged to explore anything that is not deemed "the correct and orthodox ways". But there are people who not only understand his cultivation, but appreciate and use it freely - which shows us it's really only the jealous and ignorant that call his path evil.
Even in WWXs first life LWJ calls it guidao and understands it's not inherently evil, he just sees signs of WWXs trauma and lack of golden core and arrives at the only logical conclusion he can using the limited information he possessed at the time. Which is why, in WWXs second life LWJ is not bothered that WWX continues to use it and is respectful towards "MXY" when he thought he was just another guidao user.
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
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Sorry but as you said you are projecting. I personally think you need a bit of help if you are reluctant to say you've been abused when you've been treated in such a way.
I'm not reducing JC into anything. I never said he wasn't a complex character... I just hit a nerve with you and you decided to make unfound claims about my post. The fact he is even an abuser and has made JL feel even worse than he did as a child is complex enough. The abused (via YZY and her harsh words and manipulative ways) becomes the abuser - you can't get more complex than that. It's part of his character that is completely ignored by many a JC stan, so I will point it out as long as there are idiots claiming "JC never hit him" and all the other absolutely insulting crap they come out with.
Perhaps you should think before you decide to jump in my post? Because, guess what? You aren't the only one that's had a shit upbringing or been abused. I have.
JC is very complex. He's bitter, twisted, absolutely chock full of hatred. He thinks he can whitewash over his sister's memory and sacrifice for WWX and instead make her only child hate the man she died to save. He's also homophobic, classist and not honourable in the slightest. But, he's also an abuser.
So back tf off.
*grabs megaphone*
JC is an abuser!!!!!
When will some in the fandom learn the JC is both physically and mentally abusive to his nephew JL.
But...but... But nothing!
JC hits JL on a number of occasions, slapping him so hard he knocks him to the ground!
You cannot ignore the fact he hits him... It's in the text.
Even the heavy breaths Jin Ling heaved carried a metallic scent. “No,
I…”
Jiang Cheng immediately smacked him to the ground. “No?! Then
I’ll give you some injuries to teach you a lesson! Stinkin’ brat, you think my
words are nothing but empty air?!” he scolded.
This isn't abusive?!
Jin Ling leapt in front of Jiang Cheng in
a panic. “Hanguang-jun! My uncle is injured…”
Jiang Cheng smacked him to the ground. “Let him come at me! You
think I’m afraid, Lan-er?!”
Or this?
None of this is okay. Both times it was totally uncalled for. It's aggressive and just not excusable in the slightest.
Even at the beginning of the novel we can see JCs abusive nature coming through. He wants to hit JL, but he can't because there are too many people around... That is classic abuser 101 stuff right there.
"He only hit him during the course of the novel, he had not hit him before that." I hear one JC stan cry!
You don't know that! You're just plucking things from your ass. In fact, the way JL reacts and it's a normal occurrence for him to hide out at Golden Carp Tower whenever JCs temper erupts... I'd say there's evidence to the contrary to be honest.
Get over it and stop literally rewriting characters because there's things you don't like about them. Move and find one you don't have to make shit up about.
#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#jiang wanyin#jin ling#jiang cheng#mdzs meta#what the fuck even is this#im a survivor#so don't start your bs with me#i will have him#he deserves to be out#how pathetic#you need help
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Very interesting question@mondengel2
Personally, I don't think WWX knew what to expect when he was trying to give WN his consciousness back other than he hoped to bring WQ her brother back so to speak. When WN really loses control he seems to go into a state of almost unconsciousness, reacting to WWXs emotions and commands, so I don't think he can control his resentment any more than any other entity WWX controls.
WN was (up until NMJ rocked up) the strongest fierce corpse in existence and WWX once explained that "the more resentment they have, the fiercer they are in death" - so WN must be absolutely chock full of resentment. If that's the case, it's going to take him a while to use all that up - so this could be the reason he is yet to move on.
Or perhaps, it might be to do with unfinished business? Because as long as LSZ is alive and needs him, I feel like WN wouldn't want to move on. But that's just speculation on my behalf!
An interesting fact though - MXTX did toy with WN turning to ash after he fought alongside the blood corpses of the Wen remnants. I can't remember if it was while on the boat to Lotus Pier or leaving there after WN gave JC a well earned and overdue piece of his mind, but WN was meant to turn to ash and JL decided to turn himself into a fierce corpse to replace him when they needed someone to battle against NMJ (if memory serves me right! I can't find the interview this was mentioned in, but it's floating around on the net). Anyway, this would certainly help build on my "unfinished business" theory as MXTX had WN see his family one last time, save WWX and find out A-Yuan was not only alive, but thriving (and if it was after he'd put JC in his place, even better!) - so all of his "unfinished business" was sort of put to rest if you forgive the pun... but again, that's just speculation 🤣
MXTX also stated that when WN decides to move on WWX will be there to help him do so either way - which I think is so sweet ❤️
A lot of stuff floating around about the Chinese concept of hun and po souls in reference to MDZS at the moment, as well as the usual stuff concerning WWX's cultivation, yet again.
Very, very brief explanation on hun/po: When a person dies po souls stay with the dead body and eventually go back to the earth. The hun souls go up to the heavens to face retribution and eventual reincarnate.
Firstly, before I continue, this is not the same for all xianxia novels and beliefs around hun and po. But, from what I can see in the Chinese text, MXTX has it that the hun souls that usually go off to eventually reincarnate when someone dies are trapped on the earth and form ghosts/various types of moving corpses when they possess resentment. Hun is mentioned in a number of places and the most compelling evidence I've found is the name of the Gusu Lan's "evocation" song which is aptly named 招魂 (zhāo hún) - this is the song they play when they are trying to contact a restless spirit using a part of it's body or a beloved item.
This shows us that it is not the po souls they are trying to save or suppress, but the hun souls - they are actively trying to help people move on, unless they have to suppress or even destroy them (preventing them from reincarnating ever again) if they refuse to see reason and pose a threat to the living.
WWXs cultivation gives the souls trapped on earth another chance to move on if 'liberation' does not work. Rather than suppressing the soul and prolonging their time trapped on earth or completely destroying them as is the third and final option available to cultivators, he has invented a fourth option - to help the souls use up their resentment (in a safe and controlled manner) that allows them to move on and reincarnate also. WWXs cultivation method is NOT EVIL and does NOT DISRUPT the reincarnation cycle - he's helping the souls that would usually be suppressed or exterminated. He is saving hun souls by using guidao, he is helping them move on and live again where most cultivators would hunt and destroy them instead.
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