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lordgolden · 7 months

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Nynaeve losing her mind while Elayne and Avi are actively falling in love lmaooo

#avilayne #Sarah rereads wot #crown of swords #don’t even ask me how I got here

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butterflydm · 5 months

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Forsaken thoughts for s3

Nothing firm, nothing concrete, just thinking out some thoughts.

I am trying to keep spoilers to around A Crown of Swords or so, but I am talking about the Forsaken, so it's possible that a late-series spoiler has slipped into without me realizing it.

We have three Forsaken all-but confirmed for season 3, I would say:

Definitely getting Moghedien

Definitely getting Lanfear

Despite Reddit's constant worries that he's been cut, I genuinely have zero doubt that we will be getting Asmodean but I think the show is going to obscure his identity (just like the books did); which has already been implied by Rafe in an interview (seriously, though a. we had that guitar-holding statue in the s1 Forsaken figurines; b. we're doing a 'close' adaptation of TSR - how is that even possible without Asmo? he's the climax of Rand's storyline!; c. Asmo is PRIME material for the more complicated look at Why People Are Darkfriends that the show has been doing)

So the question is... are we going to see any of the others in s3 or will they be held for s4+.

It depends on a few factors, I think:

a. Are we going to be getting the Forsaken meetings in TAR? One of the ways that Hopper trained Perrin in the early books was secretly taking him to a Forsaken meeting (if I recall, Hopper was able make it so that Perrin not only saw the meeting but also saw Moghedien spying on the meeting). otoh, they may not want to cast actors for the other Forsaken until they have a bigger role to play.

b. How much did they shoot in Caemlyn? It sounds like Caemlyn may have been a location shoot rather than a studio set, which might mean that they only will be using it for a couple of episodes rather than going back to it over the course of the season.

c. They've name-dropped Sammael and Graendal -- does that mean that we're going to see them in s3? I do like @markantonys's idea that Graendal is taking the place of Rahvin in infiltrating Caemlyn, because her MO and Rahvin's are pretty similar (heavy heavy Compulsion). I also like the idea of Sammael maybe starting in Tear, being driven out by Rand, and fleeing to Illian and setting up shop again.

d. I do think either Moghedien or Lanfear is going to take over Mesaana's White Tower plotlines and I'm leaning towards Moghedien, because that makes her even more of an antagonist that's focused on the Wondergirls/Nynaeve.

e. If Rahvin does exist in the show, then he's likely going to be the first Forsaken to Die For Real when Rand balefires him out of existence (in s4?).

f. If Demandred exists, will we be getting the Sharan storyline or would we be getting Taimandred? I would personally find Taimandred a lot more interesting (especially since Dashiva does not exist in this version of the story, or at least doesn't exist as a Forsaken, since Aginor and Balthamel were definitely cut).

Someone on reddit did a good post about how eliminating the "men are always stronger than women in the One Power" differential would actually affect the rankings of the Forsaken and our main characters (the comments are mostly not worth reading but the post itself is good) and how that would effect the 'power rankings' but I also think that the show doesn't consider itself forcibly locked to the power ranking system either (which I feel is a good thing but reddit, of course, thinks is an abomination; how dare we not talk on-screen about how Lanfear is 1(+12) in the Power even though the books never talked about it either and it was all in supplementary material lol).

Tumblr is Weird about links to outside posts but the reddit post is here: https://www.reddit[dot]com/r/WoTshow/comments/17oc10a/ok_i_keep_seeing_people_talk_about_the_power/

So instead of Lanfear being six whole levels below Ishamael and Rand because being 'the strongest female channeler alive' still makes you considerably weaker than literally any of the male Forsaken, she's much closer to being on their level (and it's also possible that the show has made it so that Rand is flat-out actually going to be stronger than Ishamael and Ishy and Lanfear are the same, since they've referenced the Dragon being the strongest channeler ever a couple of times). It would also mean that Semirhage (if included) would be a lot closer to Rand's power level as well, making her an even greater threat.

Our final two slots remain a competition between Demandred, Rahvin, and Semirhage, I would say, and who gets what slot probably depends in part on which stories they plan to focus on. If Rahvin doesn't exist, then I'm uncertain who the first Dead For Real Forsaken is going to be in the show.

a. Asmodean, killed by one of the others?

b. Sammael?

Those two seem the most likely. The others kinda all have stories going on later in the series.

I do think that having Rahvin make it in so that he can get killed off by Rand would serve as a good reason why the other Forsaken act more wary of going near Rand in later parts of the series, so that does remain a possibility for me. Demandred and Sammael do kinda occupy the same space in the 'jealous of Lews Therin' ecosystem, so Sammael being included might mean that Demandred is bumped out, and they could then have Rahvin killed off in s4 or s5.

If Semirhage and Demandred both make it in, we might see their 'strange alliance' together, which could make an interesting contrast against the cutthroat in-fighting of the rest of the Forsaken (in the books, Mesaana is part of that alliance too, but I do think she's just straight-up cut).

#wot book spoilers #a crown of swords #wot s3 speculation #wot speculation #wot #wheel of time #wot on prime #wot s2 spoilers #wot 2x8 spoilers

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luxolin · 10 months

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Elaida really thinks she's That Bitch. She has no idea she's supporting cast, an antagonist almost always overshadowed by other antagonists. She's convinced she's the Chosen One in a narrative with several actual chosen ones. She relied on the least trustworthy members of the Tower and now has the nerve to be surprised they aren't bowing to her every whim. She's literally building a palace for herself and grows roses and pulls dusty artifacts from old Amyrlins out of storage because she thinks if everything looks the part, then she'll be respected. I am captivated by her cringefail girlbossery.

#the wheel of time #wot book spoilers #a crown of swords #i literally just started acos #but oh my god reading her perspective is like watching a car crash

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orbit-of-eternity · 5 months

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Rand turned Cairhien royal court into Ace Attorney court and dethroned a queen like he was Pheonix Wright.

#wheel of time #rand al'thor #wheel of time spoilers #robert jordan #spoilers #a crown of swords #wot spoilers #wot book spoilers #wot #yes we are starting a crown of swords

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herenya-sedai · 10 months

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To use Nynaeve as an example. She slaps and even punches Lan after they’re reunited in ACOS.

her values, her tendencies

But that is just one interaction

It’s a highly emotional situation -- she’s nearly drowned, broken her block, been rescued and reunited with Lan and he just told her he’s Myrelle’s Warder. And there’s some, uh, a hint of recognition from Nynaeve that her reactions have been neither appropriate nor mature, when she steps back and says ”We will talk this over calmly and rationally [...] As adults”.

But from the insight we get into their subsequent relationship in KOD, it’s clear that the slapping hasn’t become a troubling pattern. She and Lan are both respectful of each other, concerned with each other’s well-being and considerate about when they exercise their “right” to give orders.

Also, Nynaeve had anger issues, but she's overcome her block and no longer needs to stay angry in order to protect herself or heal others. She’s got the love and support of a Warder-husband. It’s convincing that she becomes better at managing her anger and dealing with emotional situations calmly and rationally.

#wot books #Knife of Dreams #A Crown of Swords #Nynaeve al'Meara #Lan Mandragoran #Nynaeve/Lan #analysis

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jaqobis · 6 months

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— the great hunt; a crown of swords

#ha ha ha ha i'm fine #as is rand clearly #wot book spoilers #wheel of time #rand al'thor #the great hunt #a crown of swords #r

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wheelwheelwheel · 10 months

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I think it’s absolutely hilarious that every time Cadsuane is introduced everyone is like “omg she’s the oldest and most powerful living Aes Sedai, a true legend!” and then none of the main characters have any idea at all that she even existed before that

#I know it’s because she didn’t exist before this book but #iirc right Moiraine had no idea who she was in New Spring #cadsuane melaidhrin #a crown of swords #wot book spoilers

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onaperduamedee · 1 year

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Notes on A Crown of Swords

RJ: spends three paragraphs describing the luxurious surroundings.

Elaida: It was a simple room

The way RJ uses POVs is changing my mind about multiple POVs in fiction. As much as I favor an omniscient narrator or a single unreliable narrator, his deeply flawed POV writing is starting to feel like a game à La Vie mode d’emploi and I dig it.

Elaida's POV is incredible, truly. She is so blinded by confidence, so sure Rand and the Rebels Aes Sedai are already dealt with and that her triumph is near. Later in the books, her character becomes positively Shakespearean and it lays the groundwork for a tragic and pathetic outcome. I cannot wait to see it unfold.

Six male channelers in ten years only? Oh, the Black Ajah definitely found and killed way more than that. For all her prophecies, Elaida has no idea what’s going on or how dire their situation is.

As different as it is to see Dumai’s Well from very external POVs, it makes this beginning a tad repetitive.

I do love the horrific aftermath of the battle though, with the survivors searching through mass graves only to extirpate their dead from the rotting jumble of enemies and allies’ corpses. I haven’t mentioned it before, but the body horror throughout the books (the Shaido’s body trails, Lanfear skinning Kadere, the Asha’man mincing Aiel at Dumai’s Wells) hits just the right balance not to be voyeuristic, yet still feeling horrifying.

Awwwwww, did Perrin just refer to Moiraine as a friend? This also makes me realize that Moiraine went on a journey in each book with and developed a distinct relationship with all of the EF5 except Mat… ARE WE GONNA GET A MAT-FLAVOURED KATABASIS?

Taim is most definitely going to stab Rand in the back. He obviously wants to push him in a certain direction and it’s making me all the more nervous that Rand perceives it but still needs him.

Aes Sedai Wise Ones: tomatoh tomahto. The Wise Ones are only far better at getting him on their side. Rand's problem is not specifically the Aes Sedai too, it is EVERYONE wanting something from him, Aiel included. He cannot rule if everyone thinks they can influence him.

The arrival in Cairhien is too damn long. This isn’t the first time we have seen Cairhien, we absolutely don’t need so many details about the city.

I don't understand Rand's obsession with putting Elayne on both thrones. Claim or no claim, she depends on Rand, a foreign leader with a foreign army, to conquer the cities for her. There’s no way this will lead to a stable reign.

The Salidar trio composed of Egwene, Siuan and Leane gives me so much joy. It’s such a refreshing depiction of female hierarchy, after books of women being frankly exhausting with each other, always trying to one-up each other, even between friends. Now, we get more mentorship and shared experience and adult frustration and nuance. I am looking forward to seeing it depicted in the show because it is relatively rare in fiction.

Egwene pinned Rand down in a sentence, ooof. She’s very clear-headed about him, about what he faces, and what this burden can do to him, emotionally. I remember way back to her Accepted test, I was a little puzzled as to why her trials were all coming back to Rand, but now it has become clear they are mirrors of a sort. It makes their echoing journeys all the more satisfying.

Areina and Nicola trying to blackmail Egwene… The gall. Good lord, she’s really trying to govern the ungovernable.

I am so bloody afraid for the Salidar lot now they have a Forsaken loose in their midst. Arang’ar could do so much damage when they are only now starting to pull themselves together.

Siuan both being extremely competent as spy-master and fumbling so badly on the meekest horse is the best. I love the fight she is putting against the Aes Sedai trying to bully her back into her place on account of her lower strength. I seriously love her journey with all my heart.

Siuan almost patting Egwene on the shoulder to comfort her had me screaming. I cannot tell you how much I enjoy their dynamic and how delighted I am to see them get shit done both with the Aes Sedai and with the spy network. They are smart women and letting them be smart and subtle in this nest of vipers is immensely satisfying.

The situation with Lan and Myrelle and Moiraine is just exquisite: Lan is broken, but how much of it is the forced bonding or losing his 20-long friend, both figuratively and literally? It also says a lot about the Aes Sedai's philosophy that they assess this situation in terms of transgression (this just isn’t done), more than empathy (Lan is currently suffering). The fact their solution is to bond him to another Aes Sedai, but the right one this time, is also so utterly bizarre, but in keeping with the books’ attitude toward consent.

As good as the confrontation between Egwene and Myrelle over Lan was, a question that's been haunting me for books now: since bonding someone without their consent is akin to rape, what of Birgitte and Elayne? Elayne was trying to save her life but that's also the excuse Myrelle and Moiraine used? Or did Jordan just retcon it? Will it get addressed at some point?

The reason why I have been frustrated with Nyn for two books now is that her arc feels a bit stagnant in comparison to all the other EF5. She arguably has the most fascinating personality of the lot, but outside of punctual moments, I cannot identify an overarching direction to her story. I get what drives her on an intradiegetic level, but on an extradiegetic level, I’m very much wondering “Is there a point, Robert ?” I dislike the way she is sent on a quest for magic objects while all the others are changing the entire political system of different nations and Mat leads armies.

I really enjoy Aviendha when she is miles away from Rand. In fact, other characters like Morgase and Elayne, Mat's Band and the Asha'man are finally clicking for me and it feels amazing.

The Colavaere deposing… Look, I don’t like her and she would have been bad for Cairhien. Still, even if I didn't know RJ was a white American before reading the books I would have guessed by the amount of normalized interference there. No self-determination for any nation; you’re going to be invaded by a foreign force and then have a leader picked for you whether you like it or not. You know what? I am a little bit siding with the rebels outside of Cairhien on this one.

Mat with the Capitaine Fracasse energy. One thing with his chapters is that I know I’m not going to get bored. Also, he’s a little shit and most people treat him as such which makes him even more entertaining.

Oh boy, Cadsuane has the most epic entrance. She is brash, no-nonsense, and merciless, and Rand is going to have a handful with her, but I am also glad he is getting that kind of opposition from Aes Sedai, I believe he needs a specific kind of challenging force to go forward and actually last. I cackled at the Wise Ones meeting an even bigger bully than them.

Rand’s school being attacked and his losing an ally who was actively working to provide him information (after losing Moiraine and Asmodean) are such a blow. The school represented hope for a future after the Last Battle and now it is threatened.

The Aes Sedai are so entertaining - the administration satire is just delicious. I would take 5 chapters of Aes Sedai drama over 2 pages of Aiel humour. As a French, I can’t tell you how satisfying the mocking of nitpicking over procedures and petty power squabbles is.

The Circle and the Kinswomen had me completely blindsided. The concept is bloody fantastic and opens so many doors, my mind is reeling. Imagine the network they must have! The differences in channelling! The power structure!

Jordan's obsession with humiliating powerful women is a real issue.

I mean, yeah, for the hundredth time, Rand will go mad: failing to see him as dangerous is beyond foolish. It doesn't mean he deserves to have his humanity denied; it means the help others must provide him has to take into account he will harm many beside him.

Morgase really went from being a prisoner to being a prisoner to being a prisoner. Her rape by Valda was beyond unnecessary.

So Rand attacked Perrin? It has to be a ruse, right? He's sending away all his friends? Trying to push away Min? Someone help him, please!

The thought of Berelain, Perrin and Faile together on the road is too chaotic for words. I hope we will see a little of it.

Moiraine being a restraining influence on Rand is the understatement of the Age. Being the Dragon Reborn is the equivalent of a terminal illness: he needs more than support; he needs a whole infrastructure. That’s the thing with the Aiel refusing to recognize the Dragon Reborn and seeing him as their family: mere support is not enough considering what male channelers go through. Loving someone is not enough to treat and accommodate them.

Mat and Birgitte are the friendship I wasn't expecting, but needed.

The Aes Sedai know about the Kin! It makes sense considering they have a vast network of spies but it’s refreshing to see that they can recognize that to an extent the White Tower is not the be-all and end-all of channeling, even if the Kin is obviously an extension of the WT to them.

Mat and Tylin: to say I don’t like how the book is handling it is an understatement.

Nynaeve breaking her block: 1. I love that Moghedien has a hand in it, of course; 2. It’s going to look so bloody epic on-screen; 3. I’m not entirely sure her breaking it out of hopelessness for her life fits her thematically, but as I said, I’ve been struggling with her arc for a few books; 4. The callback to Egwene’s ceremony in the show is going to be incredibly rewarding; 5. Nynaeve, my girl, you deserve the world

Just when I was beginning to think that the Lanaeve reunion was cute she started beating him. Okay. The man just saved your life and declared his love despite having hit rock bottom emotionally, Nynaeve, please.

On the one hand, Nynaeve breaking out of her block was so so so good. On the other, man, the romance with Lan still doesn't hit for me, so that kinda puts a damper on the excitement of the scene. At least, they are now married and RJ is miles better at established relationships, so it can only improve from here.

Elaida’s chapters are on Wuthering Heights' level of pathos and chaos. I am having a blast. Moreover, she has decided to do something about Alviarin, even if it’s a given it will blow up in her face.

I am looking forward to Pevara going on a Darkfriend hunt. She is instantly sympathetic which is a rarity among characters. I do like how this book is more nuanced in its depiction of Aes Sedai, their hierarchies, and their relationships.

AT LAST RAND IS SEEING THE ATHA’AN MIERE. Sadly, there were no armies of Seanchan aboard like troops hidden in Trojan sea horses, but the negotiations made up for it. His final “Negotiate” at Merana had me cackling. I’m glad he’s starting to accept he doesn't have to like or trust Aes Sedai to work with/use them.

Rand just showing up at the Cairhienin rebel camp is something only Mat would have done. I am really enjoying how the boys are embracing their tave’renness in this book. Wreck that narrative, main boy!

Caraline Damodred is cool as hell. And hot.

I love that Robert Jordan apparently misses Moiraine so much he just introduces a character who looks just like Moiraine but younger instead of bringing her back.

It's Padan Faiiiiiiiiiiiiin yeaaaaaaaaah! This little devil will always turn up where one expects him the least and wreak havoc.

All the heterosexual rights are now given to Darlin and Caraline because they are really cute.

The attack in the fog was excellent. I love the pacing and ambiguity of it, the horror elements. The symbolism of Rand leading a group of strange battle fellows unified despite their opposing interest, with one of them breaking rank, is also potent.

I am screaming. I LOVE the Cadsuane, Darlin, Caraline, Min, Niande and Samitsu group trekking through the countryside to save Rand.

I think the big reason Aiel are getting old so fast for me is that they are a pretty static group as is. They started supporting Rand and split right away from the Shaido and it hasn't changed since. Most of the internal conflict is no internal conflict at all, despite the fact that Rand is prophesied to destroy them. Conversely, the Aes Sedai appear a more dynamic and realistic group to me, because they split, they oppose Rand, then help him, then rebel, then there's the Kin, then whatever Cadsuane's coterie is supposed to be that apparently doesn't care about the Tower enough to concern themselves with the split.

Honestly, as a whole, this book humanized the Asha'man as well. They were nothing but tools, but showing them being not that different from Aes Sedai in their pursuit of knowledge and connecting with them through healing serves them great a deal.

“Do you want to die in bed?” Mat is so funny.

About the confrontation with Sammael… We are told again and again one cannot open a gateway somewhere unknown and then Rand just does it and it's supposed to be a super clever plan months in the making?

There's no way Sammael is dead, right? The duel was pretty underwhelming.

The Wonder girls, the Kin and Mat retrieval team was really cool though. I really enjoy the way it brings together multiple loose threads with the Gholam, the Tanchico BA catching up, the Kin being integrated into the WT and the Seanchan coming back. Also, seeing Nynaeve in battle at last!

I wish the Rebel nobles' camp attack had been the final battle or the Bowl of Winds retrieval because creatures in the fog are terrifying and a treasure hunt gone wrong is always fun, whereas bringing back Shadar Logoth only as background here is seriously diminishing its impact. Rand having to kill Leah rings a bit hollow as well.

Final verdict: I enjoyed this one immensely. Despite the snail-paced start, the book didn't slack an instant when it comes to excitement, which was a bit of a letdown in LoC for me. It might be a tie with the Dragon Reborn because of the end which is a bit underwhelming compared to other books. But by the Light, I think it’s genuinely the book where I spent most chapters driven to a fever by how excited I was. The highs of other books were higher, but this one had fewer slacking chapters. And the characters! Rand is nearing a breaking point, while Egwene will experience her first real challenges as a leader soon. It’s building up very nicely, particularly after such a stretch of good books.

#the wheel of time #wot book spoilers #a crown of swords #wot review #wot book review #wot meta #remblai #I honestly enjoyed this one as much as TDR

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mashithamel · 2 years

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I just love Nynaeve:

It’s a Mat POV chapter, which just makes it even better.

#wheel of time #wot reread #nynaeve al'meara #mat cauthon #a crown of swords

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deeplyridiculouslyinlove · 5 months

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Reading update: done with book 7 and officially halfway through the series! I don’t have a ton to say about this book that I haven’t already made a post on, but here are some stray thoughts on the book and to mark the halfway point.

- I really dislike the magic power ranking system and think the whole series would be more interesting without it. The White Tower has enough hierarchy already, and I think it makes the point better when that power is largely arbitrary. This adds rules between the Aes Sedai that to me are sort of lazy, and I think it would be more fun to not know who would be more likely to be listened to in various scenarios than have this default. It’s also like, okay of course Moiraine and Siuan who care about saving the world more than anything are at the top of this system, how handy.

And don’t even get me started on the men being stronger than women in the power element of the system. It’s even more unnecessary and uninteresting.

- Nynaeve *beating up Lan* and gagging him with air when he comes back and rescues her?? And it’s supposed to be *romantic*?? And like, Mat gets *assaulted* out of nowhere in books pretty free of sexual violence and coercion so far? Both of those moments were pretty wild to me.

- It may just be that I have been listening to these on 1.3 speed (sometimes even 1.5 if I’m honest), but the end of this book felt really rushed and I wasn’t even sure what was happening for some of it. Like they jumped from place to place and people appeared and disappeared and we never saw Sammael die who they’ve been talking about killing for three books? I had to google a summary of the final chapter to make sure I hadn’t missed something 😂

- I’m so tired of knowing what every single woman’s breasts look like. Just so, so tired.

#wheel of time #wot book spoilers #dril reads wot #crown of swords

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butterflydm · 4 months

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to rule the world (forever) (8077 words) by Butterfly Chapters: 1/16 Fandom: Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan, The Wheel of Time (TV) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Rand al'Thor/Mat Cauthon, Rand al'Thor/Aviendha/Mat Cauthon/Elayne Trakand Characters: Rand al'Thor, Mat Cauthon, Elayne Trakand, Aviendha (Wheel of Time), Moiraine Damodred, Nynaeve al'Meara, Min Farshaw, Perrin Aybara, Galad Damodred, Gawyn Trakand, Verin Mathwin Additional Tags: spoilers through book 7: a crown of swords, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Alternate Universe - Fate swap, Perrin blew the Horn of Valere AU, mat defended the two rivers AU, Mat is Rand's Warder AU, birgitte is nynaeve's warder AU, Minor Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche, Minor Nynaeve al'Meara/Lan Mandragoran, Minor Rand al'Thor/Min Farshaw, minor Mat Cauthon/Lews Therin Telamon, Mix of Show and Book Canon, Minor Egwene al'Vere/Gawyn Trakand, summary of AU changes in author's notes Series: Part 14 of voice in the back of my head Summary: After reuniting with Mat and Aviendha, Rand and Elayne turn their attention towards dealing with the Forsaken threats in Caemlyn and Illian.

The Gateway opened at the end of the Skimming platform and Rand waited impatiently as Liah and Maira went through first. He gave them a count of ten, like they’d agreed on, and then went into the clearing. The woods around them weren’t as green as they should be, this time of year, but it smelled of home.

It was noisier than it had been last night in Tel’aran’rhoid, but Rand barely noticed.

All he saw were Mat and Aviendha.

#cauthor #randmatavilayne #wot #wheel of time #wot on prime #wot book spoilers #a crown of swords #wot fanfic #voice in the back of my head #wot fanfiction #wheel of time fanfic #wheel of time fanfiction #the wheel of time

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wot-tidbits · 10 months

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