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davekat-sucks · 2 months

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Bro vs Eridan in terms of being an awful person is tricky considering Bro was being possessed by Cal and Eridan was a 13 year who had to do Feferi dirty work his entire life so her Lusus wouldn't destroy everything. I genuinely think Bro had no choice in anything he did considering his note to Dave was something Caliborn came up with. Eridans case is a bit more complex given the circumstances of his planet, none of those things he did were ok to do but either feed the monster or have everything destroyed. He's the whole reason the trolls were alive in the first place. Considering he had to risk his life everyday for everyone else, him attempting to join Jack isn't out of the ordinary for dangerous stuff he encounters. Yea he's douchey and destroying the matriorb was dick move, but everyone on the meteor lost their minds and had or attempted to kill someone. Tavros tried and Kanaya sawed 2 people in half.

I am also on the side that Bro was possessed or mind controlled to some degree. But the fandom sees things like his strife battle with Dave as more serious because the other ones are played for laughs. Forgetting John would strike is father with a hammer and Rose threatened to commit suicide in front of her Mom. Jade's case is sadder when you remember that when Jade played with the double pistols, Tavros had used Bec to redirect the bullet to kill Grandpa English. She indirectly killed her guardian and wouldn't realize it until later on in the game. Bro's last act would be attempting to fight Jack Noir before dying. So does that mean people think Jack Noir is a HERO for killing the abuser? They forget that DAVESPRITE was present too when they both went after Jack. Bro had no reason to do anything to someone that's a brother from a different timeline. And yet, he was able to let Davesprite run away to safety and fought Jack on his own before dying.

But nobody in this nu-fandom remembers this or thinks hard about that last moment. They only care about his past actions and think it is played for straight abuse. It only applies to him and cannot be applied to other characters unless it's part of a gender arc for a character to transition. It's true Eridan would hunt lusus to help feed Feferi's. Even he admits it can be tiring to figure out when it is the proper time to hunt or not. Hinting that they can't overfeed or underfeed Gl'bgolyb. But you also can't deny he was also doing it to get closer to Feferi and be in a closer relationship with her. Which is why people label him as an incel and people flanderize that to the extreme which gave us Cronus. Then there's the line about him saying he killed marine life accidental.

If it's not sarcasm or poor flirting, it could also mean Eridan had unintentionally killed a lusus and gave it to Feferi to help feed another lusus to try and justify what he is doing is good. And overtime, he gradually accepted it and continued. Getting close to his crush Feferi would also tie in too. You know what they say about psychopaths, first sign is them killing animals. Sure the animals were parents for a troll, but they are still ANIMALS. Kanaya, Karkat, and Terezi accepted that Eridan was a piece of shit and want him to stay dead. Even if he was the reason said trolls are still around, they would never want to bring him back because of his horrid actions on the meteor. As we see when Karkat ended their friendship and Terezi talking with Vriska on who to revive back, Eridan doesn't deserve to be revived. And no mention of Equius, as being the Void player..

Nepeta may have felt Eridan had died, but it's unknown if she knew about Eridan wanting to join Jack. She wasn't even present with Aradia and others in the Vriskagram after becoming a ghost to meet up with him. Though we have yet to see Terezi and Vriska act on that promise on reviving said trolls. The reason they haven't because Terezi found out that Gamzee was trapped in the same fridge as her corpsed friends and didn't want to see him. Maybe the dead trolls will come back for Homestuck Beyond Canon, but that's just wishful thinking with how dead Nepeta jokes are still around and they only brought ghost Eridan in Epilogues for a 'redemption arc.

Eridan got what he deserved and died for his actions. But does he deserve to get brought back? How long should the punishment of his death last? To the cast and narrative, he can never be brought back to relevancy. The other reason the fandom likes Eridan recently is because of Pesterquest putting through the gender arc. Saying his seahorse dad was abusive that didn't acknowledge his gender, despite it's never shown in the webcomic he was this. And because of that, people instantly love him and ignore his past actions and stance on hemospectrum. All for the sake of making the March Eridan meme less transphobic. Nu-fans don't give a shit that he was racist, killed animals and Feferi, destroyed the Matriorb, and had killed Kanaya. All it matters is his label. Yes he is a racist asshole, but he's a NON-BINARY racist asshole. Both Bro and Eridan had done horrible things in the past. But one got more heat over the other. As one got love and attention because of a non-canon moment in a side game, despite people had hated him for those past actions. It's sort of insane about the priorities we have going on in this fandom.

#homestuck #homestuck fandom #bro strider #Eridan Ampora #Davesprite #Feferi Peixies #Kanaya Maryam #Vriska Serket #Nepeta Leijon #Dave Strider #Pesterquest #Karkat Vantas

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toxicsludgeyaoi · 2 months

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Toxic Sludge Yuri - Homestuck Preliminaries: Vrisrezi Vs Aravris Vs Jasproserose

[Vote for whichever ship you like more. The two ships with more votes will move onto the bracket.]

Propaganda under cut. Note: spoilers for these medias may be below.

Vrisrezi propaganda

"Vriska blinded Terezi and in revenge Terezi half blinded Vriska and blew her arm off. Vriska is the main toxic one, conaidering she is generally just an awful person, but Terezi feeds into it a lot. They are simultaneously horrible for eachother and tye best for eachother. They deserve eachother."

Aravris propaganda

"they hate eachother, like actually try and kill eachother. Its homoerotic though. I love girls who kill eachother"

Jasproserose propaganda

"This is Dirkhal for women. Imagine you are Rose Lalonde. You play some stupid world ending game. You get to bring something to life. You combine your childhood cat who you loved so much and never showed it and a fucked up doll. Three years later, the same thing happens to you. Not you, but a dead version of yourself. Then, out of love, your cat/doll/ghost thing touches her. This combines them. Now there's Jasprose. It's you, a dead you, your cat, Jaspers, and a doll. She's honest. You're never honest. She's like you, but because of the cat thing, drops the act of being smart and better than everyone. She loves you, she loves women, she loves indulgence. You do not allow yourself to love these, not as much as she does. You look down on her for being you, for exposing you. She just loves you. You hate her. It's great!!"

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hspolls · 1 year

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#Aradia Megido #Serenity #Vriska Serket #round 5 #hspolls

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girlbosswar · 1 year

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ROUND 2 MASTERLIST

I apologize for the wait

Here are the round 2 matchups

SIDE ONE

Sharpay Evans (High School Musical) Vs. Queen (deltarune)

Reko Yabusame (Your Turn To Die -Death Game By Majority-) Vs. Sunset Shimmer (My Little Pony: Equestria Girls)

Megaera (Hades) Vs. Agent 8 (Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion)

Amy Rose (Sonic the Hedgehog CD) Vs. Maya Fey (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney)

Morganthe (Wizard 101) Vs. The Administrator (Team Fortress 2)

Audria Rose (Descendants) Vs. Motoko Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell)

Toriel (UNDERTALE) Vs. Aspheera (Ninjago)

Sara Chidouin (Your Turn To Die -Death Game By Majority-) Vs. Callie (Splatoon)

Marina (Splatoon 2) Vs. Jolyne Cujoh (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)

Ema Skye (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney) Vs. Daisy (Super Mario Land)

Nyota Uhura (Star Trek) Vs. Regina George (Mean Girls)

Olivier Mira Armstrong (Fullmetal Alchemist) Vs. Lady Iron Fan (Monkie Kid)

Hornet (Hollow Night) Vs. Franziska von Karma (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All)

Eleanor Shellstrop (The Good Place) Vs. Buffy Anne Summers (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

Gertrude Robinson (The Magnus Archives) Vs. April O’Neil (ROTTMNT)

Princess Carolyn (Bojack Horseman) Vs. Madoka Kaname (Puella Magi Madoka Magica)

Reagan Ridley (Inside Job) Vs. P.I.X.A.L (Ninjago)

Monika (Doki Doki Literature Club) Vs. Korra (The Legend of Korra)

Bulma (Dragon Ball) Vs. Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)

Susie (deltarune) Vs. Fairy Godmother (Shrek 2)

Rumi Usagiyama (My Hero Academia) Vs. Lauren Mallard (Welcome to Night Vale)

Bayonetta (Bayonetta) Vs. Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

Frye (Splatoon 3) Vs. Ann Takamaki (Persona 5)

GLaDOS (Portal) Vs. Kyoko Sakura (Puella Magi Madoka Magica)

Marina (OMORI) Vs. Clawdeen Wolf (Monster High)

Alcina Dimitrescu (Resident Evil) Vs. Miss Piggy (The Muppets)

Lord Dominator (Wander Over Yonder) & Homura Akemi (Puella Magi Madoka Magica) Vs. Aradia Megido (Homestuck)

Dahlia Hawthorne (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations) Vs. Lucina (Fire Emblem)

Marie (Splatoon) Vs. Toph Beifong (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

SIDE TWO

Hatsune Miku (Vocaloid) Vs. Solar Flare (Plants vs. Zombies)

Mia Fey (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney) Vs. Agent 3 (Splatoon)

Isabelle (Animal Crossing: New Leaf) Vs. Tabitha Chrysanthemum Scarlet (Scarlet Hollow)

Astrid Hofferson (How To Train Your Dragon) Vs. Athena Cykes (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies)

Rapunzel (Tangled) Vs. Nami (One Piece)

Nadja (What We Do in the Shadows) Vs. Bridget (Guilty Gear)

Vriska Serket (Homestuck) Vs. Yosano Akiko (Bungo Stray Dogs)

Celestia Ludenberg (Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc) Vs. Helen Richardson (The Magnus Archives)

Akane Kurushiki (Zero Escape: 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors) Vs. Clementine (Stray)

Nancy Wheeler (Stranger Things) Vs. Annabeth Chase (Heroes of Olympus)

Jinx (League of Legends/The Arcana) Vs. Lotus (Zero Escape: 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors)

Yang Xiao Long (RWBY) Vs. Kitty Softpaws (Puss and Boots)

Boss (AI: The Somnium Files) Vs. Coco Adel (RWBY)

Harumi (Ninjago) Vs. Lady with an Ermine (Leonardo da Vinci)

Edalyn Clawthorne (The Owl House) Vs. Darling Charming (Ever After High)

Pearl (Splatoon 2) Vs. Carmelita Montoya Fox (Sly Cooper)

Vex’ahlia (Critical Role) Vs. Queen (Chess)

Lup (The Adventure Zone) Vs. Sweetheart (OMORI)

Sister Beatrice (Warrior Nun) Vs. Katara (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

Samus Aran (Metroid) Vs. Clover (Zero Escape: 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors)

Jessie (Pokémon) Vs. Fiona (Shrek)

Dana Cardinal (Welcome to Night Vale) Vs. Rose Lalonde (Homestuck)

Nadia Vulvokov (Russian Doll) Vs. Lucille Sharpe (Crimson Peak)

Undyne (UNDERTALE) Vs. Ryūko Matoi (Kill la Kill)

Mari (OMORI) Vs. Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)

Weiss Schnee (RWBY) Vs. Elizabert Megafig (Bugsnax)

Cleo de Nile (Monster High) Vs. Skylor Chen (Ninjago)

Barbie (Barbie) Vs. Cynthia (Pokémon Diamond/Pearl)

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bronzecats · 7 months

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Best PhemieC Homestuck song polls, Round One Results:

Inherit Nothing vs Double Time. Voting done: Winner of matchup: Inherit Nothing.

Furever vs An Apology. Voting done. Winner: Furever.

Sweet vs Mary. Voting done. Winner: Mary.

The Path vs I Am An Island vs Sylph Set On Fire Voting done. Winner: I Am An Island.

A Confession vs Made of Death. Voting done. Winner: A Confession.

Fool vs Little Clown. Voting done. Winner: Fool.

Save You vs Finally I've Flown. Voting done. Winner: Save You.

My Nightmare vs Leviathan, the Girl. Voting done. Winner: Leviathan, the Girl.

Friend, Leader vs Ugly Story. Voting done. Ugly Story automatically forwarded to final round, Friend, Leader shall compete again.

Thin Lines vs Our Aftermath. Voting done. Winner: Thin Lines.

Rankings based off of total number votes received (approximate since results are given in percentages) below:

LoM = Loser of Matchup. Losers of the matchup will not move on to the next round.

WoM = Winner of Matchup. Winners of the matchup will move on to round two of voting.

21. 45 - The Path (Alpha Bro {Dave Strider} and Alpha Mom {Rose Lalonde}) LoM

20. 79 - My Nightmare (Tavrisprite) LoM

19. 81 - Our Aftermath (Davesprite) LoM

18. 85 - Little Clown (Sober Gamzee) LoM

17. 87 - Sylph Set on Fire (Rosemary) LoM

16. 91 - Thin Lines (Meuloz) WoM

15. 94 - Finally I've Flown (Tavros) LoM

14. 105 - Fool (Gamzee lusting for Tavros) WoM

13. 110 - An Apology (Pre-retcon Vriska) LoM

12. 116 - Save You (Feferi) WoM

11. 118 - I Am An Island (Alpha Kids) WoM

10. 121 - Furever (Nepeta) WoM

9. 123 - Double Time (Sollux) LoM

8. 135 - Sweet (Trickster Jane) LoM

7. 151 - Mary (Kanaya) WoM

6. 154 - Made of Death (Aradia) LoM

5. 155 - Leviathan, the Girl (Grimdark Rose) WoM

4. 159 - A Confession (Terezi) WoM

3. 181 - Inherit Nothing (Equius) WoM

2. 199 - Friend, Leader (Karkat) Loser of matchup, but gets another shot because Ugly Story destroyed it and Ugly Story is being forwarded to final round.

#1. 762 - Ugly Story (Eridan)

#homestuck fanmusic

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autisticsupervillain · 9 days

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It's Fictional Throwdown Friday!

This Week's Fighters...

Aradia Megido vs Darth Caedus!

Conditions:

God-Tier Aradia.

Scenario:

Jacen Solo's newly unlocked "flow walking" abilities get the attention of Aradia Megido, who worries that the Sith Lord's new time travel abilities could allow him to mess up the timeline. Darth Caedus refuses to let anyone, time goddess or not, stand in his way.

Analysis: Aradia

Time. The endless circle that drives all of creation forward. The primordial Aspect of inevitability and fate. Things are born. They live. They die. Time is a spirograph, made up of endless cycles. A complex machine that creates a spectacular explosion when its cycles are undone.

Aradia Megido was once a cog in this machine. A slave to inevitability. It's machniations changed her from a cheery girm with terrifying hobbies, into an apathetic servant. A Maid whose only interest was serving Time.

Aradia first died as a result of a gruesome cycle of revenge. After Vriska Serket tossed Aradia's close friend Tavros off of a cliff, Aradia got even by plaguing Serket with the ghosts of her pervious victims. In reply, Vriska mind controlled Aradia's boyfriend Sollux and had him vaporize her entirely.

This brutal demise, as well as the prophecies of an inevitable apocalypse that her ghost friends shared with her, evaporated Aradia's once cheery demeanor, turning her into a cold, emotionless cynic who soulless obeyed Time's every whim so that the timeline could be preserved. Her resurrection into a robot did little to help her disposition, especially since the guy that built the body tried to program her into falling in love with him, which soured any positive feelings she could have had for her new body.

When Aradia and all her friends were given the opportunity to become Gods of the new universe, thanks to a magically game called SGRUB, Time and Fate had to ruin that for her too, as Aradia had to actively keep her friends from becoming God-Tier and manipulate the whole game from the background just to keep the rules of fate from declaring her timeline void and wiping her from existence. There was an upside to this situation though, aside from the cool Time powers. Aradia was given an opportunity to hand Vriska her smug, manipulative ass, which was doubtlessly cathartic.

It wasn't until Aradia died... again, that she got given a new perspective on life. Because her dream self happened to die on her Quest Bed, Aradia was revived as a fully realized Maid of Time. A literal God of Time. She was done being Time's puppet and she was tired of bowing to Fate's whims. Aradia was free, truly alive for the first time in her life, and she was going to see just how much havoc she could wreak on the timeline.

Even before becoming a God, Aradia was easily one of the most powerful Players in the entire game. Capable of manipulating time to an extent, Aradiabot could summon hundreds of herself at will from all across the timeline, making her a giant walking army. Scaling off of Dave's capabilities, she should potentially be capable of creating billions of time clones, as Dave was able to create enough time clones to create and manage a planet wide corporation staffed entirely by himself. Even after becoming a God herself, Vriska freely admitted that she was no match for Aradiabot, which takes some doing on Serket's part, given her ego.

As a God-Tier, Aradia's powers are magnified greatly. Not only is she now able to stop time at her leisure, but she's capable of competing even with First Guardians, or those fused with them. These God-like, nigh-omniscient beings are tasked with protecting their assigned planet so that the Players who will be born on it can one day play SBURB and create the next universe. To this end, they are directly linked to the First Sun, providing them with an immeasurable amount of power.

Case in point, Doc Scratch was once caught between two exploding universes and was completely... unscrathed (ba-dum-tish)... well, not counting his severed leg, but that's from a prior injury, not the blast. Moreover, universes in Homestuck are noted to contain infinite timelines and possibilities within them, making them more akin to infinitely sized multiverses. And Aradia is shown to generally be comparable to such beings. Not only is she able to hold back Bec Noir with her time stop, but she should comparable to Dave Strider, a fellow Time Player God-Tier with several of the same abilities, who could hold off both Bec Noir and Peregrine Mendicant, albiet temporarily.

Hell, the fact that she can react to Bec at all speaks wonders for her spead. Scaling off of a God-Tiered Rose Lalonde, Bec should be fast enough to travel along the entire surface of the Green Sun, which is the size of several universes. Being able to traverse an infinite amount of distance like this in a finite amount of time would grant most God-Tiers an infinite amount of speed, but even discounting that, being able to move in the Furthest Ring like that at all is crazy. The Furthest Ring is a higher dimensional location where time and space function nonlinearly. In order to move through space, you must also move through time in that same direction. This is why Aradia was needed to push the meteor into the Furthest Ring, moving would be completely impossible in it otherwise. Imagine being so fast, you can move a certain direction through time. Imagine moving so fast, you win a race one second before it started. That's how fast Homestuck God-Tiers would have to be to move through the Furthest Ring at all.

This just makes Aradia's Time Stop more impressive by extension. She can Time Stop people who can move Faster Than Time. Well... kinda. Aradia herself admitted that she can't keep Bec frozen forever and that she would eventually die if she didn't get out of her predicament. So, she timed the moment she let Bec go just right so that she would collide with him the split second his body became a portal to the Green Sun. This shows that she has a keen tactical mind even without Fate pulling her strings.

At her absolute strongest, Aradia could even briefly harm and even time stop Lord English, the Lord of Time himself. A being so powerful, he threatened to destroy the entire 6 dimensional multiverse of Homestuck.

I'll say again. Aradia fought a being who had absolute control over all of time... and could freeze him in time.

And finally, she gets all the benefits that regular God-Tiers and Players do. Including a Hammerspace video game inventory, a leveling system that insures she gets stronger just by doing random things, and conditional immortality that protects her from aging and dying so long as her Death isn't Heroic or Just. Meaning, so long as she didn't die whilst doing something Heroic or something that means her death was justified, she will come back from anything short of complete existence erasure on the very conceptual level or if the clock meant to decide her fate is broken. She's also a master with the whip, but given everything else about her, she hardly needs it.

Time is the Aspect of inevitability. That's why it's inevitable that this Time Player will easily kick your fucking ass.

Analysis: Darth Caedus

If there is one thing that could possibly explain who Jacen Solo became when he grew up, it is war. Born to the legendary heroes of the Republic Han Solo and Leia Organa Solo. He'd spend much of his early years getting abducted by imperial remnants and enemy factions of all stripes as the New Republic struggled to pull itself together. As a thirteen year old, he'd begin his training at Luke Skywalker's new Jedi Praxeum, spending most of his time fighting off Dark Jedi and lingering Sith Remnants. Jacen Solo didn't have the privilege of a peaceful upbringing, but despite that, he found a way to prosper. It was during these young years he'd meet the woman he'd later marry, Princess Tenel Ka Djo. Becoming Luke Skywalker's apprentice at age fifteen, it seemed that Jacen's lofe, despite its rocky start, was shaping up to be a good one.

That all changed when the Yuuzhan Vong attacked.

A proud warrior race that used bio-organic technology and existed outside of the Force, the Vong invaded the galaxy brutally, attacking without mercy. Due to existing outside of the Force, the Vong were immune to any attack a Jedi might throw at them, allowing their conquest to render planets desolate and cost trillions of lives.

Jacen lost his younger brother Anakin on the front lines and was captured not long after. He spent a year in captivity, tortured in ways unimaginable for over a year. They called it the Embrace of Pain, a device that specifically read the synapses of its target to trigger their pain receptors in whatever way the target finds most unbearable. Most sentient life dies from shock within seconds of exposure. Jacen held out for months.

Ultimately, Jacen would save the galaxy from the Vong threat. He would fuse with the entirety of the Force, become one with it to become a living god, and use that power to destroy the puppet master behind the war once and for all. Like his parents before him, Jacen Solo would save the galaxy.

Despite his victory, despite being the shinning becon of hope for the galaxy, Jacen would be troubled the events of his childhood for the rest of his. He was going to be a father. He had a family now and a duty to protect the entire galaxy. Could he allow his daughter to grow up in a galaxy has fractured and war torn as he had? Leave her at risk to the criminals and fascists he had to fight as a teenager? Could he risk the galaxy being invaded again from nowhere so that his family could experience the same loss and pain that he had. No.

Jacen Solo had spent his developing years being kidnapped, tortured, and made to fight in wars. He had lost his closest friends and family to violence. He had lost his mind to torture. He would not allow that same fate to befall his children. His family. His galaxy. Not again.

He would unite the galaxy in an empire of love. Create a world where every sapient being would love each other so deeply as to be considered family to each other, never to be torn apart again and united against any outside threat. A time of peace under his careful eyes.

His family wouldn't see it his way, of course, so Jacen would need outside help. He'd go to the Dark Lady Lumiya to learn the ways of the Sith. And to prove to himself he would let nothing get in his way, he murdered his Aunt Mara Jade Skywalker and named himself Darth Caedus.

Driven by paranoia and trauma, Caedus ensured he'd be prepared for every situation before beginning his invasion. Beyond the standard Sith Saber, with slightly higher cutting power due to its synthetic crystals, Caedus carries poison dart launchers on his gloves, turning his victim's immune system against them to kill them in seconds, a vibro blade shiv, and a blaster pistol hidden beneath his armor. Caedus spent five years traveling the outskirts of the galaxy to learn even the most obscure pieces of force lore that he could. From such sources, Cadeus mastered practices that most would consider to be... unnatural.

Caedus had the standard range of lightning, telekinesis, and tekepathy, allowing him to dominate minds and communicate from across the galaxy. Caedus is capable of casting powerful illusions, receiving visions of the future mid combat as far as thousands of years in advance (only worsening his paranoia), and create fire from nothing by telekinetically moving air molecules. He's liable to throw star ships around from space mid combat or crush your organs directly as needed, down to causing permanent brain damage by rupturing an artery in the brain.

Slightly more esoteric abilities include erasing people's memories or forcing them to relieve them mid combat, making his aura so small he becomes nearly invisible, creating blinding flashes of light, paralyzing people by electrocuting their nerves, absorbing energy attacks on the level of starship canons, and the Shatterpoint ability. Shatterpoint allows him to see the fault lines in an enemy or object, allowing him strike where a target is most vulnerable, from shattering metals with light taps to kill people in one shot.

Caedus has even mastered powers that no one else has ever used before. With Sever Force, can surround a target in so much Dark Side energy that they're cut off from the force completely, effectively depowering them, potentially permanently if he keeps it up for a long time. He can understand any language he hears automatically, track people through the force by spraying them with his blood, teleport at will, can make himself radioactive to fool lie detectors(?), and can predict the weather(??). But, most impressively of all are his time travel abilities.

By entering a deep meditative state known as flow walking, Darth Caedus can travel back in time and manipulate the past to a minor degree. He wanted to watch Peepaw Vader dice up the younglings during Order 66. Yeah.

In a dual, Caedus is unmatched by all but the mightiest. He defeated Mara Jade by distracting her with a vision of her son before poisoning her, defeated Battlemaster Kyle "I beat dragons to death with my fists" Katarn alongside several other Jedi at once, and gave a very good fight against Grandmaster Luke himself. Even getting choped up by his sister Jaina Solo didn't slow him down much as he just got himself a prosthetic knee and... never actually did anything about his missing hand because he didn't want to be out of commission during a war. So he's just missing a hand now.

Darth Caedus is one of the strongest Sith Lords who ever lived. The fandom may shout heresy for saying it, but... he's possibly even stronger than Palpatine himself.

Palpatine at his strongest was powerful enough to create force storms that could potentially wipe out the universe and did severe damage to the fifth dimensional space known as Hyperspace, where starships travel to beat lightspeed.

Luke Skywalker back then was just a bit weaker than Palpatine and needed a boost from Leia to fully overpower him. Now, decades later, and Caedus himself is juuuuuuuust weaker than Luke after he'd gotten stronger than back then several times over. ...Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment to say Caedus beats Palpatine.

What's more, is that Luke by this point can access the Realm Beyond Shadows, a sixth dimensional space that transcends all of time, including in Hyperspace. In effect, Luke can fight six dimensional beings and move in a place where time does not exist and Caedus is only just weaker than him.

Despite being basically a force god, Caedus is at heart still a traumatized soldier acting out of irrational paranoia. He's been known to get quick to frustrate and violent when things go wrong, his actions have alienated himself from everyone he ever loved, and he can no longer become a physical god by becoming one with the Force.

In the end, Caedus would lose his life in a climactic final dual with Jaina. He had the opportunity to force a stalemate, cut Jaina down as he fell... but his family would die if he did not intervene. Using the last of his strength, Jacen Solo saved his wife and daughter as his sister cut him down.

No matter who he might've become later in life... Jacen Solo had once saved the galaxy.

....

...He's Legends Kylo Ren. lol

Throwdown Breakdown:

Oh, god, how to break this one down. Aradia's a time hax god but Caedus is just a fucking wall of it.

Both should be roughly even with slight strength advantage to Aradia. Both can fight faster than time, but Aradia can fight a full on six dimension buster rather than just a six dimension being.

Now, Aradia's ability to resist even Vriska's mind control abilities should make her about able to handle Caedus's mind hax, so he can't just wave his hands and make her forget he exists. He does however, have a fuck ton of powers that he can fuck her up with.

Shatterpoint and force crush are the big ones, allowing him to simply crush he organs with a thought, but even just his poison darts can be devastating. The issue is actually keeping Aradia dead. Due to the morally neutral conditions of the fight (doomed timeline would mean Aradia herself doesn't exist anymore, so selfish motivation there) and Aradia's complete lack of knowledge on Caedus, God-Tier immortality would kick in unless Caedus were to force her to act heroic or villainously in the fight somehow. While it's not impossible for this to happen on its own, without any knowledge of how God-Tier immortality works, Caedus would not know how to make this happen, forcing him to settle for incapacitation.

Luckily, Caedus has the means to do this, either by paralyzing lightning or by force crushing Aradia's spine, both of which are in character. The issue on that front is he'd have to do that to all of her, thanks to endless time clones.

Aradia can freely create or summon countless alternate versions of herself, leaving the Dark Lord fighting thousands of Aradias at once. With every Aradia he cripples, five more will take her place. Sever Force won't nullify Aradia's powers as while Caedus can cut people off from the Force, cutting people off from the Primordial Concept of Time is a bit of a harder sell. As for Flow Walking, Aradia's own time travel is far superior, as she can do it on command without meditation.

Caedus cannot counter time stop, but his insane endurance could allow him to tank up most of the damage he takes during it. He opened his final dual with Jaina after getting stabbed in the gut by her lightsaber and kept on swinging. Anyone who can survive the embrace of pain isn't going down to anything short of a decapitation.

The specific limitations of Aradia's time travel keep her from traveling back to prevent Jacen from becoming Caedus in the first place, as doing so would doom the timeline and erase her. No one has quick win options here. This is about who wears down first.

All that being said, I think Aradia has this. Jacen wins if he can cripple but not kill every single Aradia in the fight before she can makd more time clones, where Aradia wins just by killing or incapacitating Caedus at all. Time Stop gives her ample time to do this while Caedus will be fighting an uphill battle against an ever growing army as he wears down.

Make no mistake, Caedus's insane endurance, high skill level, and sheer wall of hax make him an uphill opponent regardless and he will not go down quickly. This will be a marathon fight as Caedus continues to demolish an ever regrowing army with every trick he had. When Darth Caedus falls, he'll land on top of a mountain of Aradia corpses, but he will fall regardless.

This Throwdown's Winner is...

Aradia Megido!

#fictional throwdown fridays #homestuck #star wars #aradia megido #darth caedus #jacen solo

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homestuckshipcesttournament · 2 months

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New: Tavris/Vriska

Kankri/Karkat won vs Aradia/Damara with 62.3% of the vote out of 204 votes

#poll #homestuck shipcest tournament #serketcest #vantascest #tavris #tavrisprite #vriska serket #kankri vantas #karkat vantas #round 2

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wingshowdown · 1 year

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Here are the contenders (alphabetically)

Aisa (One Piece)

Aisha (Winx Club)

Aizawa Mint (Tokyo Mew Mew)

Alata (Tensai Sentai Goseiger)

Albedo (Overlord)

Allay (Minecraft)

Ananas Dragon Cookie (Cookie Run)

Angel Cookie (Cookie Run)

Angel Cure Berry (Fresh Precure)

Angel Cure Passion (Fresh Precure)

Angel Cure Peach (Fresh Precure)

Angel Cure Pine (Fresh Precure)

Angel Devil (Chainsaw Man)

Angella (She-Ra and the Princesses of Power)

Aradia Megido (Homestuck)

Aroma (Go! Princess Precure)

Asreil (Undertale)

Aziraphale (Good Omens)

Barbatos (Genshin Impact)

Beck (Disney Fairies)

Bird Person (Rick and Morty)

Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap (Undertale)

Blackjack (Percy Jackson)

Brietta (Barbie and the Magic of Pegasus)

Butterfly (The Last Unicorn)

Castiel (Supernatural)

Charizard (Pokémon)

Cheese (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy)

Colt (Hunter x Hunter)

Corvin D’Oro (Montress)

Crona (Soul Eater)

Crowley (Good Omens)

Cthulu (The Call of Cthulu)

Cure Felice (Mahoutsukai Precure)

Cure Grace (Healin’Good style) (Healin’Good Precure)

Cure Infini (HUGtto Precure)

Cure Parfait (Kira Kira Precure a la Mode)

Cure Princess (Happiness Charge Precure)

Cyprin (Spyro the Dragon)

Dahlia (Barbie: Fairytopia)

Dark Pit (Kid Icarus: Uprising)

Dark Pretty Cure (Heartcatch Precure)

Discord (My Little Pony)

Dragonite (Pokémon)

Duck (Princess TuTu)

Eda (The Owl House)

Elina (Barbie: Fairytopia)

Emyr (The Witch King)

Ender Dragon (Minecraft)

Eternal Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon)

Fairy Godmother (Shrek 2)

Fledge (The Chronicles of Narnia)

Fluttershy (My Little Pony)

Genesis Rhapsodos (Final Fantasy)

Giratina (Pokémon)

Goddess Hylia (Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)

Grian (Hermitcraft/Evo)

Happy (Fairy Tail)

Hawks (My Hero Academia)

Howl (Howl’s Moving Castle)

Hue (Barbie Fairytopia)

Icarus (Greek mythology)

Iridessa (Disney Fairies)

Irma (W.I.T.C.H.)

Jake Long (American Dragon Jake Long)

Joshua Kiryu (The World Ends With You)

Junior Troopa (Paper Mario)

Kaepora Gaebora (Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Konan (Naruto)

Kushina Anna (K)

Link's Loftwing (Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)

Little Bird Holding a Rat (Spirited Away)

Lock (Go! Princess Precure)

Lychee Dragon Cookie (Cookie Run)

Mario (with wing cap) (Super Mario 64)

Mariposa (Barbie: Mariposa)

Max (Magical Boy)

Medli (Legend of Zelda: Windwaker)

Megeara (Hades)

Meta Knight (Kirby)

Monet (One Piece)

Paarthurnax (Skyrim)

Palutena (Kid Icarus: Uprising)

Panty (Panty and Stocking)

Parakarry (Paper Mario)

Penelope (Barbie as Rapunzel)

Philza (Origin SMP)

Pikario (Kira Kira Precure a la Mode)

Pit (Kid Icarus: Uprising)

Postman (Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass)

Prilla (Disney Fairies)

Rainbow Dash (My Little Pony)

Raphaella La Cognizi (The Mechanisms)

Rem (Death Note)

Ridley (Metroid)

Rouge the Bat (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Royale Candy (Smile Precure)

Ruby the Red Fairy (Rainbow Magic)

Rufioh Nitram (Homestuck)

Ryuk (Death Note)

Sam (180° Angel)

Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)

Shantae (bat form) (Shantae: Half Genie Hero)

Sigrún (God of War: Ragnarok)

Smaug (The Hobbit)

Spamton NEO (Deltarune)

Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)

Star Butterfly (Star vs. the Forces of Evil)

Stocking (Panty and Stocking)

Tank (Forever After)

Terezi Pyrope (Homestuck)

The Sorceress (He-Man)

Tinker Bell (Peter Pan)

Tobias (Animorphs)

Toothiana (Rise of the Guardians

Toothless (How to Train Your Dragon)

Tropius (Pokémon)

Tsunderplane (Undertale)

Twilight Sparkle (My Little Pony)

Untitled Goose (Untitled Goose Game)

Venger (Dungeons and Dragons)

Vex (Minecraft)

Vidia (Disney Fairies)

Vriska Serket (Homestuck)

Winged Pikmin (Pikmin 3)

Yasha (Critical Role)

Yume (Mewkledreamy)

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homestuck-best-girl-tournament · 1 year

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ROUND 2 ROSTER

Okay, here we go! Round 2! Technically it's still the morning! Meant to have this up earlier, but, I slept in. Sorry, I'm only human.

WINNERS BRACKET

June v Rose

Kanaya vs Mom Lalonde (Beta; Rose's Mom)

Jade vs Mindfang

Roxy vs Parcel Mistress

Vriska vs Feferi

Aradia vs Casey

Meenah vs Terezi

Nepeta vs Calliope

LOSERS BRACKET

Porrim vs The Dolorosa

Her Imperious Condescension vs Mom Lalonde (Alpha; Roxy's Mom)

Latula vs Aranea

Ms. Paint vs The Handmaid

Redglare vs Nannasprite/Nanna

Damara vs The Disciple

Jane vs Grandma English

Meulin vs Sn0wman

#homestuck

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red-elric · 1 year

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okay coming back to it now. very large parts of terezi's entire way of reacting to things center around vriska, no matter what terezi era we're talking about. when they were kids and friends, when they had their falling out and hated each other, when she had to live with the guilt of killing vriska, and when she had to live with the knowledge that she needed vriska alive to be happy and to fix the alpha timeline; it all comes back to vriska serket.

vriska's not an easy person to be friends with, largely due to her own unique issues. she was in a position where she had to grow up and conform to alternian societal standards much faster than any of the other trolls to survive, given the nature of her lusus. she had the strength of personality to pull it off, for better or for worse, so vriska spent her childhood pushing herself into being as adult and dominant as she could possibly be, following in the footsteps of mindfang and cutting out or belittling anyone who couldnt keep up with her. and she liked terezi! she knew about redglare and was a little bit obsessed with terezi, especially the parts of terezi that imitated redglare, and terezi probably really liked that attention and played into it quite a bit. she modeled a decent chunk of her personality after redglare's story, with the legislacerator ambitions and the dragons and the connection to vriska/mindfang, and ended up closer to vriska than anyone else. they were a team, and they had fun together, and vriska's entire attention was on her, at least the positive parts of it.

vriska's interactions with tavros (and probably also several others, including eridan, karkat, kanaya, and whoever else failed to meet her standards) were a very immediate, real example of what could happen if terezi lost vriska's attention and became 'l8me,' in vriskas eyes. not only would it be personally devastating to lose focus from her best friend, but it would also be potentially very, very dangerous to terezi, and I think terezi definitely knew that. when the scourge vs charge drama played out, we see terezi hesitant to act against vriska in her conversation with aradia; she warns aradia to let her handle it, but doesnt take action quickly enough. she's definitely trying to stall and let people cool down some, but aradia wont let it slide and retaliates against vriska herself, leading to vriska's retaliation back against aradia, of course. the stakes are higher, vriska has proven again that she wants to always have the last say, and terezi has to either let it slide, kill her altogether, or retaliate too weakly and open herself up to direct danger from vriska. she chooses to try and kill her (saying as much in her conversation with vriska right before the cue ball explosion, btw), but ultimately vriska survives and blinds her back.

at this point, terezi chooses not to continue to escalate. she says its because vriska blinding her is the best thing to ever happen to her; while I believe that's probably true to an extent, given that it put her in contact with her lusus, there's more to it than that. it completely stops the conflict between the trolls--she was the last harmed, and she doesnt want any payback; vriska is satisfied having the last say and shouldnt have an excuse to hurt anyone else. which is all well and good! but this action, choosing to set her own grievances aside for the sake of keeping the peace, is like..... classic self worth issues. couple that with terezi's favorite part of herself--her blindness--being inextricably tied to vriska, as something vriska did for her; terezi's self worth is now also inextricably tied to vriska. but terezi doesnt want anyone to see that, so she jokes and laughs and acts strangely to throw people off. if people think shes a weirdo because she WANTS them to, shes winning, right?

karkat I think is the only one who gets close to seeing behind all of this. vriska doesnt come CLOSE (which btw is why I dont really like endgame scourge sisters as moirails!! I think terezi is great for vriska but vriska is still terrible for her!!! preretcon terezi and (vriska) as matesprits makes much more sense to me but whatever). karkat has a real talent for seeing through people's bullshit to what theyre really thinking, and he's probably second in the 'forced to grow up early' race between the trolls (except its a little different for him because its more beneficial for him if he hides himself, rather than making a dominant stand like vriska), and he really, really likes terezi. I think they gravitate towards one another post scourge vs charge bc karkat just has this unconditional love in his heart for..... everyone, really, but especially terezi, and thats something terezi with her low self worth really relies on to recover from vriska not being her friend anymore. but karkat is his own bag of worms; he has so much going on and he gives conflicting signals and hes scared to commit to her (mostly because he has a hard time fitting in with troll romantic patterns tbh) and that drives terezi away because she thinks he doesnt like her as much as she likes him. also, I think at this point shes probably starting to consider him a better person than her, possibly due to his refusal to associate with vriska from the start, which comes to a head later pre retcon (that one DEVASTATING convo betwen them in the meenah flashes). so she runs away.

dave is really easy to talk to when all terezi wants is to hide from her feelings and her friends, because that is absolutely what dave wants too. they fall really quickly into a surface level only rapport and become really quick close friends by just.... being the person the other can talk to without it being a federal fucking issue. its something terezi really needed in that moment, and something that worked for dave at the time too. but still, even that relationship was all about vriska, because by this point terezi knew vriska was spending all her time talking to john. and terezi might 'know' that there is no john versus dave thing, but vriska thinks there is, and is certainly acting like the dave vs john thing is actually a terezi vs vriska thing, and its hard for terezi to stay out of that completely; shes the one who brings it up to dave, after all, and they talk about it more than john and vriska do iirc. and isnt it funny how, despite knowing that dave would never reach god tier or surpass johns ability, terezi picked him anyway and sided with the underdog without a fight? how she rolled over and let vriska win again?

(also, retcon timeline side note!!! I bet it really fucked with terezi when john told her not to date dave either because it didnt work out and wasnt good for either of them, but especially not for dave!!! she was just trying to have some easy fun without any sweeps old drama like with vriska or karkat and heres john from another timeline telling her going down that path would be bad for dave!!! alt terezi didnt tell him to do that!!! aishdjchjswbgdjchsjsj)

anyway. when terezi finally gears up to have her showdown with vriska, its not for her own sake. its because vriska killed tavros, and because terezi was pretty sure she had killed a few others as well (incorrect, but like.... of course terezi was gonna think that she was obsessed with vriska from the start), and because she felt as though there was only one way to save karkats life (and her own, and some of the other trolls, but please. we all know karkat was the one she wanted to save). and whether in the retcon timeline or not, terezi has to live with the knowledge that she can't escape vriska's hold on her, and she doesn't even want to. she's damaged goods, because she should HATE vriska; everyone else does, and shes done so many awful things, but terezi apparently cant live without her. and that breaks her in both timelines; more dramatically without the retcon, but still in the retcon timeline as well; she just is able to hide behind vriska's force of personality more in that timeline, just go along with the person she's stuck with by her own volition. so no, her self worth issues didnt come out of nowhere.

#it me #homestuck #terezi pyrope #vriska serket #karkat vantas #dave strider #vrisrezi #karezi #daverezi #fun fact this is why I really really like johnrezi!#like not to bring narrative symbolism into it but terezi feels really stuck in her position with vriska #and who better to free her than an heir of breath!#the johnrezi meat timeline was really good actually change my mind #I DO like vrisrezi dont get me wrong but like. idk man!!! vriska hasnt proven shes good for terezi yet!!!#(vriska) can be tho I believe in her so much #my three big john ships have a theme huh LMAO. dirkjohn vrisjohn johnrezi all like 'okay john can handle this kid'#'no one else can but john absolutely can'

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