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clare-89 · 2 months

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She girlbossed too close to the sun

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drownedbycoffee · 3 months

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THEY AREN'T THE FEARS ANYMORE!! THEY'RE DESIRES

(SPOILERS for TMA, and all of TMAGP episodes so far)

Okay, here me out

Tmagp1: Darla wants to hear Arthur's voice again. She even says: "I just couldn’t face the thought of the rest of my life never hearing him again, I had to try" and later on she even says: "But I had to know, so I went to the cemetery."

Tmagp1: RedCanary wants to know about the Magnus Institute. They want to know why it's listed under 'cleared' when there's no evidence of it. Hence why they go and explore it.

Tmagp2: Daria wants that absolute perfection. She wants to change who she is and get out of that dark place. When she talks about the thing that she felt was missing, she says, "... and that’s when I decide I need a tattoo. I had a couple already – just little things on my shin and my wrist – but I decided I needed something big. Something that really changed my look." She also mentions when talking about Ink5oul that "they just kept pressing me about my life, about why I wanted the ink" instead of asking what design she wanted. And when she got the tattoo she describes herself as now being, "Someone I wanted to know more about." Afterwards she even says how "For the first time ever [she] wanted to attempt a self-portrait. Something real and physical, [she] wanted to feel the brushes in my hands and the oil on [her] fingertips." I think a lot of her statement is about her desire and impulsive need for that perfection and that wholeness that she has been aspiring to for her whole life.

Tmagp3: Samuel wants to stay hidden. He wants and he "need[s] to get up, get out of here for treatment." He wants to get better and most of his delirious thoughts are the things that he wants, or feels like he needs. E.g. "I so much want to see it [the sun] again. This night seems endless. I want to be warm again. I am terribly afraid. Thank god for Maddie. I need to treat her better."; "I just need to rest."; "I need to be careful or we’ll drift apart." And then obviously as the narrative continues, Samuel wants to grow and 'put down roots'.

Tmagp4: The narrator wants to be revered and accepted into the Royal Court Orchestra of the Palatinate. He wants to show off and impress. The violin "was a creature with needs and purpose of its own. The needs were simple enough. Blood. Flesh." It has these needs and desires.

So far, I'm interpreting it to be that everything so far can be interpreted as a desire of sorts, varying in the strength and intensity of it. Obviously, fear is still a big part of it all, because if you want something so badly, aren't you afraid of it being stolen from you? Of it being out of your grasp? Of it being unachievable or impossible in some capacity? Of it being a lie?

Even Sam wants to find out more. He wants to know the why and the reason for things. Gwen wants Lena's job. Collin wants to fix all these bugs and keep Freddie running. Alice wants to just get on with it because she found out that wanting to know the 'why' of things is dangerous.

I think that somehow when the Web took all the Fears into a different universe, they morphed into something else. Or they changed to fit what was the most prevalent thing in that universe, because after all, everyone wants something, even if it's something small and inconsequential. Life and aspects of it has always been characterised by that desire for something. Like people wanting food, shelter, safety, love, warmth, happiness, etc. And I think since the Web was so intwined with Jon and Martin, it absorbed some of their emotions when it found its way into this new world, because after all Jon and Martin wanted to stop Jonah/Elias, to stop the apocalypse, to destroy the Panopticon, to be safe, and they wanted each other. I think the wanting and fear of things are really entwined in it all, though this could be absolute bullshit haha

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charlies-tma-blog · 3 months

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as much as i LOVE all the multi-layered tmagp statements where you have to think about who is reading out which statement, and how it plays into the metaplot and everything going on, i’ve missed statements about it unhinged lil guys terrorising people for fun. like yes creature made entirely of sharp needles stab a guy and call the cops to feed off their fears. slay

#don’t even get me STARTED on the laugh #i adore a good unhinged laugh and this was *chef’s kiss*#i WILL be listening to tmagp 6 on repeat throughout this week. i love this lil guy #also so proud of myself for recognising celia’s voice 🕺🏼#tmagp #char listens to tma #tmagp thoughts #jonathan sims #tma #the magnus protocol #needles

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samwise1548 · 7 months

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Y'all are saying my boy Sam's gonna get traumatized and he doesn't know what he's really getting into. I'm here to counter that. My guys gonna Joshua Gillespie the OIAR. He's just gonna nope out of the horrors, just you wait. He's gonna be that one statement giver who stepped out of the spiral cuz he was hungry. I believe in Sam Khalid's preservation skills. I'm his number one supporter.

#this better not come back to bite me #tmagp #the magnus protocol #sam khalid #tmagp theory #tmagp thoughts

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theboombutton · 2 months

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The interesting thing about tmagp episode 9 is that, from one perspective, it's about a pair of dice that kill you if you roll a crit fail. And in TMA that would be very End-coded. Games of chance were End-coded, and death is obviously The End. Open and shut case.

Except it's not, here. The statement giver had never seen anyone roll a 2 before he ran into Gary in that coffee shop, even after thousands of rolls. That's not an End artifact. Those dice are going out of their way not to kill anyone, save those who try to part with them.

The compulsion to roll feels like the Web, but is it? Certainly games of chance can become addicting, but I don't think that's the whole story. The Web is about the fear of the loss of control, yes, but it's also about something else controlling you instead. Here that something else is an embodiment of "random" chance - although again, it's not properly-random, not even pseudorandom. I have thoughts on that but they're best addressed further on.

Weirdly, of all the manifestations of Fear from TMA, this statement seems most akin to Jude Perry's - rolling the dice with other people's lives and fortunes, for the thrill of sometimes devastating them.

Which brings me back to the possibility of AU Fears.

In the Protocolverse, why shouldn't there be a Fear associated with chance and luck and fate and misfortune that happens for no good reason? A fear of lacking control and losing everything, without anyone else necessarily having that control.

This is where the way the dice are rigged becomes possibly meaningful. Their outcomes aren't random - they're what humans expect random to look like. They operate according to the gambler's fallacy, where the longer a chain of bad luck you have the more you're due for a good roll, and vice versa. Snake eyes aren't just a normal outcome of the 1-in-36 chance of rolling 2d6 - they're reserved for when someone is cursed with truly rotten luck. Notably that isn't true of boxcars: those just happen sometimes, without prerequisite.

Logically, a Fear of Misfortune wouldn't operate on the actual rules of probability, would it? It would be shaped by the superstitions of those that feared it.

(Also, I hope this statement puts the "they're not fears they're desires!" theory to bed. This guy didn't want the dice, and didn't especially want to roll them, but seemed compelled to anyway.)

#tmagp spoilers #tmagp #the magnus protocol #tmagp 9 #tmagp 09 #tmagp s1e09 #tmagp speculation #tmagp theory #tmagp thoughts #the web #the end #the fears #the desolation #the misfortune

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stockardluskin · 2 months

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Unpopular opinion:

While it's great to hear what a happy Gerry sounds like, I just feel like something is wrong. He sounds kinda...empty to me. And I don't trust this iteration of Gertrude. At first I thought she was just being protective but the way she was speaking for him kinda rubbed me the wrong way.

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #tmagp theory #tmagp thoughts

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falling-raine · 3 months

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something that is kinda cool to me is it seems like in tma you get the statements of people who made it out long enough to tell their story's, even if they died in the end they where able to go to the magnus institute and record their experience. in tmagp they are pulling story's from those who didn't make it out and have a place to record everything, its pulling from last emails and locked forum post, old blogs and letters. they don't have ways to know what happened to them.

#eris rambles #does this make sense #probably not #i could be so wrong #the magnus protocol #tmagp #tma posting #tmagp theory #tmagp thoughts #why tf are there so many tmagp tags

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cel-estria · 2 months

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Thinking about Tim, and how he hid the trauma of his brother's death with sarcasm and humor.

Thinking about Alice, and how she shares a last name with someone on the Exel doc of Magnus Institute names. About how she hides behind sarcasm and humor.

Thinking about Tim, and how alone he must have been after learning about Sasha.

Thinking about Alice and how Sam seems to be her closest connection in the OIAR at the moment.

Thinking about Tim, and how indifferent he was with the statements, not getting drawn in like the others.

Thinking about Alice, and how she ignores the incidents, skims them, lets them play, ignores them nearly entirely.

Thinking about Tim and Alice...

#im not well #tma #the magnus archives #tim tma #tmagp thoughts #tmagp spoilers #tmagp #the magnus protocol #thinking a lot of thoughts rn #alice dyer #alice tmagp

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they-call-me-haiku · 2 months

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with how often everyone, especially lena, are talking about how any of them could just quit the job if they wanted to, i can't help but wonder if quitting the job is the worse option for them.

in tma, everyone was basically being held captive by the eye. they couldn't quit, even if they tried. in tmagp, they could quit but maybe quitting would make them more accessible and vulnerable to the entities. it would mean that the entities would follow them into their personal lives and there would be no going back.

maybe in this scenario, staying in the institute is the safer option. quitting the job would be like walking out of the frying pan and into the fire.

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clairebearsparkles · 3 months

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So my theory about every statement so far being about some form of self mutilation isn't wrong, I'm 3 for 3 confirmed self mutilation themes with episode 4 out now. AND, so far these statements are really leaning on being more like Avatar origin episodes rather than the usual "I was scared by a thing and here's my story." Though, episode 4 does have some interesting traits:

For the sake of simplicity I think Augustus is Jonah, so I will reference things in it as such. First off, the statement did feel a bit more traditional in nature, like the first half was very "I was scared and here's my story vibes." It felt very normal for a tma type story, but then in the second half it became like the rest. Jonah picking a story that is more in the style of a statement I think is an interesting touch if in purpose. Secondly, a random guy who can make you tell stories, carries weird artifacts, and can just know stuff pops up? Bitch is Jonah, I'm calling it, or at least someone Magnus connected, like a first archivist or something like that. If Jonah was giving an incident I wouldn't be surprised if he picked one he featured in. And lastly, IF I were to say what fear it was from our og line up, it's definitely Slaughter, and Eye made a cameo.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

#tmagp #the magnus protocol #tmagp theory #tmagp thoughts #tmagp spoilers #the magnus protocol spoilers

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clare-89 · 2 months

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In case you’re wondering where you’d heard the name Beth Eyre before:

(It could be a coincidence)

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #rusty quill #tmagp spoilers #the magnus archives #tmagp posting #the magnus pod #tmagp 10 #tmagp theories #tmagp theory #tmagp thoughts #tmagp thursday

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broodingheroine · 2 months

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tmagp7 thoughts

WRESTLING WITH TAPE RECORDERS AND MANILA FOLDERS??? immediately with the references wtf

celia don't be curious abt the computers

CELIA STOP BEING WEIRD

she def knows who's in the computers

SHES LISTING THE FEARS WHAT THE FUCK

"you won't need to know about tma to enjoy tmagp" yeah okay what the fuck is this then

HILLTOP?

is derek chambers a name I should remember. check this later.

can't remember his name 👀

shouting human face? wtf

also lol bumbling new volunteer who has nothing on his resume but is punctual and hardworking. not martin coded at all.

another name they can't remember

lowkey giving the anatomy students episode of tma

BEARSKIN RUG??? SKIN????

the items are definitely cursed right

more forgotten names and lost paperwork 🤨

it's REALLY giving anatomy students

taxidermy. hm.

also kind of breekon and hope taking over breekon and hope vibes

so hoarding

GUNSHOTS????

fire..... hilltop....... hmmmm.........

security organization.......

THE VOICE THREW YOU

CELIAAAAA YOU KNOWWWW

THOUGHT YOU RECOGNIZED IT AAAAA

SHES TOTALLY FROM THE EYEPOCALYPSE

colin :)

JON???? FUCKING JON????????? WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK

the real stuff???? what the fuck colin

colin ur paranoia is showing

COLIN WHAT THE FUCK

go gwen! blackmail ur boss!

SHE SHOT HIM?

oh he's not dead? ohhhhhh

SHE GOT PAID TO KILL A GUY?

GWEN WHAT SOURCE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

bouchards old money confirmation?

REAL WORK?

EXTERNALS LIASON? WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK

NOW I HAVE TO WAIT A WEEK??????????

god okay so

is the oiar secretly the security team that burned the hilltop place down? that's obviously what the external liason will be right. but then what would the response department end up being?

colin is devolving extremely quickly and im deeply upset about it. no "outside" electronics. as opposed to...?

once again: EMAIL FROM JON???? what did it say. what was it about.

"you don't need to know anything about tma to listen to tmagp" yeah BULLSHIT like I'm sure you don't NEED it but it certainly HELPS

gwen going to lena is giving the archival crew confronting elias abt murdering leitner except gwen has dubious morals and is unapologetically in it for her own gain

which I do appreciate. a protagonist who's willing to admit she's in it for herself and nothing else? love.

I do question whether the oiar office work is done purely as a front for whatever lena is bringing gwen into or if it does actually serve a purpose.

like I said up there somewhere, celia is definitely a transplant from the tma verse. there's no way she's not.

okay I think I'm done? that was a lot..... like a lot a lot

so I think I'm gonna go lay down and die now

#tmagp #the magnus protocol #tmagp spoilers #the magnus protocol spoilers #tmagp 7 #tmagp 7 spoilers #tmagp thoughts

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iguessmyfishisgay · 2 months

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I wanna get these TMAGP 8 thoughts written down before the public drops so here's your spoiler warning!

SPOILERS AHEAD

So this "Gifted Kids Program" that the Magnus Institute had is very intriguing. I'm going to throw a thought out there that's kind of a gut feeling, with only OTHER gut feelings to back it up

What if they were trying to make Avatars? I can't help but feel HEAVY Stranger vibes coming from Gerry Keay in this episode. Something was so off about him, and I don't think it's just because he was a much more normal person (apparently, at least) than in TMA. And Sam certainly has tendencies that lean towards The Eye.

I've been trying really REALLY hard not to drag The Fears into this, but this was my gut feeling and I wanted to share. Maybe the new entities (if there are some) parallel The Stranger and The Eye which is why I'm getting those vibes from Gerry and Sam, respectively.

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samwise1548 · 3 months

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This episode had me so flustered I don’t even know why!!!!

[ID: Three drawings of the artist sitting on a couch with headphones on and a cat in their lap. The first drawing is of them listening contently with a hand on their cat. An arrow pointed at them reads “listening to magp 6” referring to the sixth episode of The Magnus Protocol. The second drawing has them shooting up in their seat, a blush on their surprised face. Their cat is scared by the sudden reaction. From their headphones a speech bubble reads “Celia [speaking]: Lena, these little donuts are amazing! Where do you get them?”

The last drawing on the bottom is a closeup of the artist, the blush taking over their face. Their internal thoughts say “Sam, if you don’t romance this woman, I will!” with a faded lesbian flag behind the text. \End ID]

#Jonny is the only creator who has ever been able to make me fall in love with two of his female characters on first appearance #the other is Annabelle cane #she is my love <3 #my thoughts #Tmagp thoughts #tmagp #tmagp spoilers #the magnus protocol #the magnus protocol spoilers #magp6 #Celia ripley #I wanna listen to the new episode again just to hear her voice again. guys I’m going insane #my doodles #my art

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tenthgrove · 10 days

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Reverse Engineering the OIAR Tagging System: Part 2

I've had another look at things and I have managed to create a more concrete theory for how the tags work, though at this stage I would be very surprised if it were all correct.

A reminder for the unfamiliar- every TMAGP statement comes with a long code, consisting of a CAT (category?), R (rank? - two statements do not have this), a four digit number which seems to be totally random, and the dates of both the statement's origin, and when the episode is set.

I've created this theory by identifying patterns between the CAT and R values and the themes, characters and dates of the statements. It is clear we need some more statements to be sure, so I will update this as new episodes come in. That said, here is my theory.

CAT = Is the Monster an External and/or Being Actively Taken Advantage of by the OIAR?

CAT 1 = Yes. CAT 2 = No, but there are plans to acquire it. CAT 3 = No, and there are no plans to acquire it. CAT 23 = The monster possesses some special quality which the OIAR would like to take advantage of, but currently has no means to do this (hence making it both a CAT 2 and 3 in a sense).

Our only confirmed external, Mr Bonzo, is a CAT 1. The two other CAT 1s are monsters that could very well function as OIAR assassins. Granted, Needles seems to be killing for his own pleasure and seems very ‘green’. BUT- how in the living hell did he murder a man on the streets of London and it wasn’t national news? Maybe, just maybe, Needles was recruited as a result of that incident and the OIAR pulled strings to clean up his mess. Additionally, two of the CAT 1s are delivered literally days before we learn of them. One is older but refers to Bonzo, who we know for a fact is still active. The other was delivered in May 2022. All these statements are live matters, referring to beings who are almost certainly still out there making body counts.

Moving down to the lower rankings, the current CAT 2s are plant guy, Vouyer, the charity shop volunteers and the backrooms service station. These are all statements that leave huge question marks. None of them are delivered by a primary source. They are all 1-15 year old statements. This could mean the OIAR is trying to locate the beings within the statement to potentially take advantage of them, but have not yet tracked them down.

The current CAT 3s are InkSoul, the violin guy, and the bone dice guy. Violin and dice guy are both dead, and the dice were presumably lost in the destruction of the Magnus Institute. It’s clear why the OIAR wouldn’t be interested in them. Now what about InkSoul? Well there are a number of reasons why the OIAR would not want to recruit them. Maybe their power is not reliable? After all, it seemed the effect they had on their victim in the statement was linked to her being an artist. Maybe they’ve already tried to recruit InkSoul and it didn’t go well. Or maybe InkSoul has become inactive since the statement in 2022.

Now, what about CAT 23? I’m really not sure about this one (there are only two CAT 23s so far, one of which is the Red Canary statement) so my theory here is a stand-in. I previously suggested CAT 23 could refer to dimensional cracks and it’s possible that is also the case. It could be that CAT 23 IS the ‘Magnus Protocol’, and that ‘Magnus’ doesn’t specifically mean ‘pertaining to the Magnus Institute’ but ‘pertaining to the Magnus Institute or similar known cracks in reality, of which the Magnus Institute is the one we know most about’. It could be that the OIAR has an active interest in manipulating dimensional cracks but hasn’t yet figured out how, and CAT 23 is created to reflect this.

R = How Useful is this Monster to the OIAR?

A = Frighteningly powerful, possibly equivalent in its impact to the rituals. AB = Between A and B value. B = Pretty useful, but not going to massively improve the OIAR's position by itself. BC = Between B and C value. C = Not especially useful for the OIAR's purposes. Unranked = Value either not investigated or pending investigation. We have no Rank As thus far, and the only rank AB, the Red Canary statement, is widely believed by fans to be the most crucial piece of the puzzle so far to the wider mystery. I believe the first rank A statement is going to be truly massive.

Current Rank Bs include Bonzo and Needles, as well as the bone dice and the Voyuer movie. Bonzo is a known OIAR assassin and as above, Needles very well could be/could become one if the OIAR wanted that for him. However, they can't exactly take down society. Equally, the dice and the movie have limitations that only allow them to target one person at a time - the dice only affect the person who rolls them and the movie relies on only having one audience member to customise itself for.

The Rank Cs are, so far, just the charity volunteers and the ship tattoo. I admit this may be the weakest part of the theory as it's not clear how these two are 'useless', especially if CAT 23 means what I theorise above. Maybe Rank Cs are useful to study but not important to the main goals of the OIAR, whatever they be.

The two unranked statements are the plant guy and the violin. The violin statement could be unranked because it is just that old, and the plant guy could be unranked for a number of reasons. Maybe he is CAT 2 because the OIAR want to study him, but they don't actually have a use for the anomaly that sired him.

Conclusion

As you can see there are various weaknesses to the theory and I would be very surprised if it turns out to be entirely right. The biggest gap right now is the rank C/unranked theories which are not entirely apparant why they're so low. If Protocol is anything like Archives, almost all these monsters will be revisited, so reasons for their placements could still be revealed to us. I am fairly certain the OIAR already knows more about most of them than is let on. I will revisit this theory as more information becomes known.

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stockardluskin · 2 months

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Listened to it again. Gerry is acting like an excitable child. I'm worried he was traumatized in that program for kids at the Magnus Institute and maybe Gertrude had something done to him that made him forget but also affected the depth of his personality. She sounds like she's taken on the role of caregiver, but that may be too benevolent a term.

I also think all those paintings out back are going to eventually reveal all the things he forgot.

#the magnus protocol #tmagp #tmagp theory #tmagp thoughts #tmagp spoilers #tmagp predictions

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