After watching Cameron's Titanic, and the 2012 Titanic mini series, I really want You're Wrong About to do a Titanic episode. Because there's SO much material there to explore, especially when it comes to questions of "who was to blame" and "what could/should have been done differently."

Fictionalized dramatizations love to lay blame at the feet of J. Bruce Ismay while martyrizing Thomas Andrews. I think this is in large part because Ismay survived to take the blame, while Andrews went down with the ship. But eyewitness testimony supports the idea that Ismay helped to prepare and load lifeboats for an hour before stepping into a lifeboat, and that he waited to be sure no more women were nearby before getting in the boat. There's no real evidence he pushed his way onto a lifeboat or acted out of cowardice. There's also no documented evidence that he encouraged a reluctant Captain Smith to raise the ship's speed in an effort to reach New York early.

There's also no documented evidence that anybody was shot during the evacuation, despite what's portrayed in the 1997 film. Eyewitness testimony claims that an officer (probably 5th Officer Lowe) fired warning shots into the air to prevent people from jumping into a full boat from the deck and possibly capsizing it.

2nd Officer Charles Lightoller is often maligned for his "women and children only" interpretation of evacuation procedures. This seems wrong to our 2023 sensibilities, but we forget the extremely strict gender mores of Edwardian Englandd. And the fact that after being washed off of the sinking ship along with a capsized Collapsible B, he saved the lives of almost 30 men by pulling them onto the boat and organizing them to keep the boat afloat until rescue. After the boat was full he spent much of the night standing on the most narrow part of the boat, in frozen clothes, to keep it from capsizing.

One last thing I'll touch on is the claim that more lifeboats on the ship would have equaled more lives saved. It's true that the ship only carried enough lifeboats for half of the passengers on board, but it's unlikely there would have been time to launch more than 20 boats before the ship went down. As it is the last 2 collapsible boats weren't launched, but were washed off the boat deck as the ship foundered, one of them upside down.

I think that we, as humans, have a strong desire for every story to have clear heroes and villains, and we have a hard time accepting that people aren't basically good or bad, but that they're basically people. That individuals can do their best with the information they have in the moment, and it won't really matter, and there's no individual action that could have stopped the tragedy from happening or changed the outcome. People are complex, and tragedies are multifaceted, and there weren't any Cal Hockleys aboard the real Titanic.

Thomas Andrews family home, Ardara, still exists and it makes me ridiculously happy.

You don't get that often enough with history. A place that was just peaceful, where people lived lives of love and joy. And it's still there, over a hundred years later.

When of a Saturday evening he opened the door, so the servants at Ardara used to say, they like all the rest waiting expectantly for his coming, it was as though a wind from the sea swept into the house. All was astir. His presence filled the place. Soon you would hear his father’s greeting, “Well, my big son, how are you?” and thereafter, for one more week’s end, it was in Ardara as though the schoolboy was home for a holiday. You would hear Tom’s voice and laugh through the house and his step on the stairs; you would see him, gloved and veiled, out working among his bees, scampering on the lawn with the children, or playing with the dog, or telling many a good story to the family circle. Everyone loved him, everyone. (Excerpt from Thomas Andrews-Shipbuilder)

So I'm reading this book titled A Journey In Other Worlds that was released in 1894, written by Titanic victim John Jacob Astor. The story is set in the year 2000 and talks about space travel, this was released when HG Wells and Jules Verne were kings of science fiction.

Astor actually went into what felt like an angry rant, one of the characters explained their reason for doing this mission and started talking about life before and after the Civil War. I have a feeling that whole rant was extremely personal to Astor for one reason or another, after all he was a military man. What writer hasn't done this? I want to say he's taking too long explaining this mission, but I'm fascinated by the outdated ideas of space travel. Again, we have Jules Verne and HG Wells, here's someone who must have been inspired by those authors and decided to write their own story. Especially when everyone was excited at the idea of how the future would be in the year 2000. I also love some of the statements made such as "Electricity is the new form of heating" That would not be said in the year 2000, his glorification of Electricity was a very 1890s mindset.

I'm only on the 6th chapter, originally I just wanted to read it because John Jacob Astor is just known as the richest man on Titanic who didn't survive. As a fan of Jules Verne and HG Wells, this is such a delightful read - I love that the distance from Jupiter to the Sun is measured in miles.

Yep

Gotta ask - favourite piece of media about the titanic? Historical or fictional, either way!

OMG I WAS LITERALLY ABOUT TO MAKE A SEPARATE POST ABOUT ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO LISTEN TO ABT TITANIC! Thank you for reading my mind!

A 6ish hour long historic podcast about every event that led up to the Titanic being built, setting sail, the disaster/sinking and the events that followed the event. It’s called “Well There’s Your Problem”. All of them are great and funny and it’s so interesting! So if you’re in the market to spend 6 hours listening to the in and outs of Titanic, I highly recommend it!

There’s also this “live-action” documentary (Free on Tubi) about the body recovery, the victims and all that unfortunate jazz right after the sinking of Titanic. Worth the watch, very fascinating!

Lastly, this is just the creation and behind the scenes footage of how they made and produced Titanic ‘97. Love watching it, always amazed by it.

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Exploring the TITANIC by Robert D. Ballard 1988 Vintage Paperback || AUtradingpost - ebay

Titanic was a British passenger and mail carrying ocean liner

RMS Titanic was a British passenger and mail carrying ocean liner, operated by the White Star Line, that sank in the North Atlantic Ocean on 15 April 1912 as a result of striking an iceberg during her maiden voyage from Southampton, England, to New York City, United States. Of the estimated 2,224 passengers and crew aboard, about 1,500 died, making it the deadliest sinking of a single ship up to that time. The disaster drew public attention, spurred major changes in maritime safety regulations, and inspired many artistic works. RMS Titanic was the largest ship afloat at the time she entered service and the second of three Olympic-class ocean liners built for the White Star Line. She was built by the Harland and Wolff shipbuilding company in Belfast. Thomas Andrews Jr., the chief naval architect of the shipyard, died in the disaster. Titanic was under the command of Captain Edward John Smith, who went down with the ship. The ocean liner carried some of the wealthiest people in the world, as well as hundreds of emigrants from the British Isles, Scandinavia, and elsewhere throughout Europe, who were seeking a new life in the United States and Canada.

The first-class accommodation was designed to be the pinnacle of comfort and luxury, with a gymnasium, swimming pool, smoking rooms, high-class restaurants and cafes, a Turkish bath, and hundreds of opulent cabins. A high-powered radiotelegraph transmitter was available for sending passenger "marconigrams" and for the ship's operational use. Titanic had advanced safety features, such as watertight compartments and remotely activated watertight doors, contributing to its reputation as "unsinkable". Titanic was equipped with 16 lifeboat davits, each capable of lowering three lifeboats, for a total of 48 boats. Despite this capacity of 48, the ship was only equipped with a total of 20 lifeboats. Fourteen were regular lifeboats, two were cutter lifeboats, and four were collapsible and proved difficult to launch while she was sinking. Together, the 20 lifeboats could hold 1,178 people—about half the number of passengers on board, and one-third of the number of passengers the ship could have carried at full capacity (a number consistent with the maritime safety regulations of the era). The British Board of Trade's regulations required 14 lifeboats for a ship 10,000 tonnes. Titanic carried six more than required, allowing 338 extra people room in lifeboats. When the ship sank, the lifeboats that had been lowered were only filled up to an average of 60%.

Source : Wikipedia

Wow so history really does just run on a 100-year cycle huh. We humans are doomed to make the same mistakes for the rest of time

The Earth Station One Podcast - Talking Titanic With Historian / Explorer Bill Willard

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The Earth Station One Podcast - Talking Titanic With Historian / Explorer Bill Willard

One hundred and eleven years ago, the RMS Titanic’s maiden voyage was its last. Physics teacher, historian, and explorer Bill Willard has been fascinated with the British passenger liner since the early seventies and has even been to the wreck site. Bill shares with us some fascinating stories and it’s sink or swim as he faces the glacier-like Geek Seat. Plus, Angela’s A Geek Girls Take and Shout Outs.

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At this time 111 years ago today, 2,240 people were preparing to sail on the grandest ship in the world. Bags were being packed, goodbyes said and well wishes given as Titanic's passengers set off for her three ports of call: Southampton, Cherbourg and Queenstown. For 1500 of those people, it would be the last goodbye they ever gave their loved ones 💔

watching the news coverage on the billionaire submarine stuff like:

It was calling to me on the store shelf…

And also

Some shit for brains idiot: HEY. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE OLYMPIC AND TITANIC WERE SWITCHED AND THAT IT WAS SUNK ON PURPOSE AND THAT THERE-

ME:

cas keeps confessing that he loves him but dean can only reply with breaking news 😢