#thor vs that clown with axe and naked dick
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Your problem is Thor stripped in L&T but do you remember Thor's stripped in your glorious TDW? ;-)
Hello 🙂 Yes, that's my huge problem with Love and Thunder and definitely not the only one (and definitely not just mine). Of course that I remember shirtless Thor in TDW. And in Thor (2011) too (ta-da!). I remember all from these movies (like every fan, I guess). Yes, TDW is indeed glorious.
Ok. Dear Anon, I will just tell you what I see. Let's start with Thor (2011):
Shirtless? Shirtless. But that scene is ok. You know why, dear Anon? Because Thor is shirtless because, because he is on Earth at that moment, he hasn't got his powers (and his robes, his cape etc.). He fell from Asgard, he was injured (more than one time), he was at the hospital (where nurse gave him hospital gown). And now he is at Jane's and Darcy's place and girls are trying to help him. Jane gives him clothes because Thor has literally nothing - just that hospital gown. He needs clothes, he can't walk with naked ass. Yes, Darcy is Darcy and sometimes she's too much "aww your muscles" but she sees that Thor seems to be like "I don't like such a comments" and that he is a bit shy. But Darcy wants to help him - just like Jane. They give him a room where he can put on new clothes. They give him a mirror so he can see himself in these new clothes. Jane is even like "I'm sorry, I know that it's not your Asgardian style but...". When you put on a T-shirt, well, it's rather normal that you are shirtless for a while, right? And Thor is ok with being (only) shirtless for a while. And he's ok with girls being there - cause they are kind, they help him and they can behave.
Ah, hospital scene. We saw Thor's naked ass (it was a very tiny fragment of upper butt, honestly):
source: GetYarn
But that scene is ok too. Why? Because when doctor has to inject you to calm you and it has to be that part of your body, well, that part of body/skin should be uncovered, right?
Ok. Now that scene from TDW, dear Anon:
Shirtless? Shirtless. But again: Thor is shirtless here because. Because he is after battle. Because he needs to clean his body. He is tired too and he needs to relax a bit. And nobody is looking. He's alone, with himself and with his thoughts. His body is his.
Now something from Chris Hemsworth:
Hemsworth told MTV he had to be convinced by Marvel supremo Joss Whedon that the segue, which recalls Daniel Craig's musclebound "Speedo moment" in James Bond movie Casino Royale, made sense in the context of the superhero's need to clean off the bloodstains of a recent battle.
"That [scene] kind of came from Joss*** actually", revealed the Australian actor. "He just said that there needed to be something romantic in there. Then he said, 'Chris, get your shirt off.' "I said, 'Well, I don't know. What's the why? What are we doing?' The justification was that it was him coming home from battle, washing blood off his hands. It is what it is.
*** Joss Whedon was helping Alan Taylor with TDW (Btw can you imagine Taika calling to f.e. Ken Branagh "help me, man"? I can't)
Source: Ben Child, The Guardian.com
That's about TDW scene. And what about Thor (2011)? The same. Chris is ok with that. The director cares about Chris. There is a sense for such a scene.
Ken Branagh came up to me on the first film and said, 'Oh look, I've got this shirt off scene, how do you feel.' I was like, 'Oh man, I've been working out for eight months; I'm ready, let's go.'
Source: Jessica Rawden, Cinemablend.com
How do you feel, Chris? That's ok. Chris, listen, that scene would be great because this and because that... I understand and let's do it. Do you see that, dear Anon? Oh, Selvig? Selvig was naked too and you think that naked Selvig was naked just for make us laugh? I can't agree. Selvig was still in shock. Selvig was healing after being mind-controled (and no, it's not Loki's fault - it's Other's fault, it's Thanos' fault). His mind wasn't completely fine at that time. And that naked scene is rather sad, don't you think? That's sad when all people around him are like "WTF" and don't know well about his emotions at that time. And Stellan? Stellan is very ok with naked scenes and yeah, he was asked too.
But Taika? Ah, Taika. There is no "How do you feel" in his case. There is no "that scene's got sense because...". When you read Taika's words you see that Thor has to be shirtless or fully naked because Chris' body is so big, sexy and everybody should watch it. Should stare. Should be horny. Thor is naked because Taika wants it. Because it will be fun. It will be sexy. It will be great. And Chris? Taika says Chris is a piece of meat. He's a piece of meat and everybody should see. Muscles are worthy. Ass is worthy. Porn is worthy. Horny ladies watching Thor's dick are worthy. Sense of the scene? Sense? What is it? Meaning? What is it? Sexualization, showing man as a sexual object, giving man an uncomfortable situation just for dirty jokes, stripping man against his will, "that is out of character for Thor"? (not to mention that awful mocking midgardian-in-style tattoo) Taika doesn't understand. He will say "Sexualization? What sexualization?" and of course we will hear again that Taika is "just joking". I don't want to talk much about that disgusting scene in Love and Thunder, dear Anon. Because it's so awful. So painful. And it hurts, it hurts that this scene has so many fans. This scene should have never happened. You shouldn't make such a scene without important reason, without hidden meaning, just for laughs, just for Chris' body.
And Chris? Just read this, please, dear Anon. Read this interview about Chris' feelings and being "a meat":
You want more? Ok, Chris about shirtless Thor in Ragnarok (in the same interview when he was talking about Ken Branagh):
And this time around, there wasn't one [shirtless scene] in the script, which I was really happy about, and then Taika said, 'No, I think we need a shirt off scene.' I was like, 'Ugh, no we've done that. Don't make me do it again!'
Why does Taika need shirtless Thor in Ragnarok? For Chris' body. Oh, because he likes Chris' body and because Chris was working hard to have such a body. Taika's words to Chris:
Be proud of that Chris, be proud of what you've achieved.
Please. Don't even try to tell me that this man's "just joking" again 🙄
Shirtless Thor in Ragnarok? Ok. You can say that it's ok because he is after battle with Hulk and he is injured, ok.
It's ok, really. But why...
Why does a one guy need so many ahem... nurses? Ok, maybe he needs. Another question: do these ahem... nurses really have to touch his body, his muscles, so much? Ok, maybe they do. But that's a patient, right? They should be here and stay here to cure him, right? So why do they escape when he's awakened? Why do they escape and look like... Why it looks like "oh no, he's not sleeping now, bye bye sweet skin, bye bye sweet touching, let's go girls"? I know that Grandmaster's house is shitty but... oh, "medical staff" is shitty too?
That scene is ok, you may say. But I'm not sure. And you know what? Taika's words are definitely not ok for me. It's not ok to treat a man (well, Thor created by Branagh is still a very young man, "a boy" like Odin and Laufey said) like an object. It's not ok to treat people, all creatures, like that. If people want themselves to be sexy or horny and/or want others to watch their naked parts of body (I don't mean striptease in the park or something more punishable, ok?) - ok, it's their will. But it's not ok when a person that doesn't want this is stripped, is called a meat, is showed naked (yes, I mean all that fucking situation and both Chris and Thor - Chris is not a meat, Taika, Chris is a person). And it's definitely not fucking funny. And about Thor: it's not ok to make Thor out of his character. And without reasons.
Love and Thunder and Naked Dick? Anon, please. Yes, there are many movies with such a scenes, I suppose. But where is the sense, the meaning in Taika's movie? Does he show that such thing is bad? Do his heroes try to help Thor? No. I've got impression that he really thinks that all is ok. All is good. Does Taika see that sexualization? I don't think so. For him it's just fun. For him it's really funny. It's not toxic in his eyes. He shows "look, children, look everybody, that man is a meat, look at his dick, at his ass, look and smile - easy, children, it's ok, he can't be hurt, he should like it, look: people around him are having fun". And what does that scene show idk about Thor? About his character? Nothing. What does that scene mean? Nothing. What does that scene add to the plot? Nothing. Ah, sorry. It adds more cringe, more shit, more ooc-ness, more toxic air. And more toxic humour. Scene for dirty jokes. Scene for someone's naked body. Scene because director is a boss and fucks the sense, fucks the feelings, fucks everything. Who is worthy for Taika? What. What is worthy? Fun is worthy. Taika's own fun.
Dear Anon. Sorry. Taika's Thor (I should say Thor Goofyson) movies are tasteless and toxic. And I definitely see the difference between canon!Thor scenes and retcon!Thor scenes. And between Taika's behaviour and behaviour of the previous directors (and believe me, I know how shitty can be Joss - but in that case he said WHY and WHAT FOR and Chris was ok, and Alan was ok and Thor was treated ok too). You can't change my mind. You love them? Ok. You were just asking? Ok. I hope that my answer is rather kind (I may hate Disney, may hate Feige's decisions but I never want to hurt - it's my opinion, my little rant, my emotions). I hope that my answer is clear.
And friendly reminder because some people don't understand: only words and deeds matter for me (I don't care if skin is white, black, green etc. - when I see people I see people, just people, ok?).
And yeah, LOKI series and stripped Loki are awful (for sure for me) too but Anon asked about Thor so let's stay around Thor.
#Marvel#Disney negativity#Thor#anti thor love and thunder#Kenneth Branagh#Alan Taylor#Joss Whedon#sexualization#canon vs reboots#anon asks#anti ragnarok#thor vs that clown with axe and naked dick#Taika Waititi negativity
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