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"Do you still measure time in minutes?" "We can convert to it." James T. Kirk I heard Spock tell you your arrival time in minutes two weeks ago and you know it, now please, stop fucking with 16th American president Abraham Lincoln, that's no way to treat a guest to your starship
#star trek#is a show#space lincoln#tos#st tos#st:tos#st: tos#star trek the original series#tis i#the savage curtain#kirk#james t kirk#james t. kirk#jim kirk#captain kirk#jim t kirk#jim t. kirk
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Why does this episode start like this?
Why am I even asking?
[s3 e22 - The Savage Curtain]
#this is the space Lincoln ep btw#spirk#james t. kirk#spock#star trek tos#star trek the original series#k/s#kirk x spock#the savage curtain
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The Surak we see in The Savage Curtain is a manifestation of Spock's idea of Surak, so if the first thing he does is reprimand Spock for showing emotion that's because that is exactly what Spock would expect. That the greatest vulcan who ever lived, father of all we now hold true and his personal role model would be disappointed in him
#valiant effort of this episode to try to emulate the iconic Arena. failed effort but valiant nonetheless#the savage curtain#spock#star trek#tos#st: tos#surak#vulcans#he's also his grandpa so of course he would treat him like sarek#his i beg forgiveness. i will kill the image of surak with a stick for making him say that#trek meta#my meta#rotating Spock in my mind. business as usual
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#star trek#the savage curtain#science fiction#retro#tv#enterprise#tos#poster#spock#kirk#surak#abraham lincoln
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I'm sorry I just cannot believe that 3x22 the savage curtain introduced the dilemma of spock having to choose between following the actual personification of vulcan history and philosophy, or kirk, and then resolved it so quickly that it was barely even a source of stress for either of them. the answer was kirk, btw. in case that wasn't obvious.
SURAK: I will not harm others, Captain.
SPOCK: His convictions are most profound in this matter, Captain.
KIRK: So are mine, Spock. If I believed that there was a peaceful way out of this --
SURAK: The risk will be mine alone. If I fail, you lose nothing. After all, I'm no warrior.
SPOCK: The captain knows that I have fought at his side before and will do so now, if need be. However, I too, am a Vulcan, bred to peace. Let him attempt it.
spock is saying, let him do as he sees fit. let him follow his own principles. and let me stay by your side. kirk tells him to gather weapons in case surak fails, and spock does. he is casting aside the philosophy he was raised with in favour of war, and he's doing it for kirk.
KIRK: Your Surak is a brave man.
SPOCK: Men of peace usually are, Captain. On Vulcan, he is revered as the father of our civilisation. The father image holds much meaning for us.
KIRK: You show emotion, Spock.
SPOCK: I deeply respect what he has accomplished.
KIRK: I hope he accomplishes something here, and soon.
kirk is complimenting surak, and I do think he genuinely means it, but the way he says it comes off like an apology. like he knows what spock just let go of for him, and he wants to make sure spock is okay.
spock says, men of peace, and he is not counting himself as one of them. I think that's what makes kirk look up like that. throughout the show, he does use violence, but outside extreme situations he does it sparingly and elegantly -- the nerve pinch, the simple side step of a punch -- and usually advocates for a more peaceful solution. now, he's admitting how he has changed. he values peace. but he can't call himself an instrument of it.
and now he's comparing surak to a father image. christian implications aside (and that is difficult with star trek sometimes), he is standing beside kirk in spite of surak's and his own vulcan father's teachings, too. he sharpens his spear and looks frustrated with himself. he shows emotion. and he doesn't deny it, either! he says sincerely that he respects surak's accomplishments, and kirk stares at him, because that's more emotion than he generally cares to show, especially after it's pointed out to him. (early in the episode, surak points out his emotion on seeing him, and spock begs forgiveness. he is no longer looking for that from surak. spock has made his choice.)
he's angry at himself. and as a peace offering, kirk says he hopes surak has managed to broker peace here and now. even though you can tell from his tone and the fact that he's still making his own weapon that he isn't optimistic.
(and all of this is putting aside the fact that surak is definitely a jesus figure and spock rejecting his philosophy and forgiveness for an imperfect man is another kind of huge character choice. this has to be pointed out.)
idk how they managed to air this in the 60s. but I'm very glad they did.
#star trek tos#emotional security#star trek#spock#james t kirk#jim kirk#meta#analysis#the savage curtain#3x22 the savage curtain#s3ep22 the savage curtain#tos#the original series#episode#surak
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3x22 - The Savage Curtain
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what the fuck
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when your most famous role is Space Lincoln
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actor: I got a role on Star Trek!!
actor's friend: That's awesome! So what are you going to be? A Klingon? A Starfleet officer?
actor: Nope! I'm Abraham Lincoln.
actor's friend: ...???
#star trek#the savage curtain#i always wonder what these actors think when they get a part on a star trek#but then they're like Wyatt Earp or Leonardo DaVinci#or Mark Twain#or a lounge singer or a Chicago-style mafia don
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Who’s the bigger dork, Obi-Wan Kenobi trying to punch a guy made of metal, or Jim Kirk trying to punch a guy made of lava?
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Kirk was soooo excited to make everyone wear their dress uniforms. No second thought. MAYBE the former president Abraham Lincoln is being beamed up in 12 minutes every body get your little outfits on NOW! No questions asked. He loves to dress up
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me personally i wouldve given far less screen time to kirk fangirling over lincoln and more screen time to surak.
#for more than one reason#included but not limited to the fact that the father of vulcan society is cute#star trek#star trek tos#the savage curtain
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Happy 4th of July from the hit Star Trek: The Original Series episodes "The Omega Glory" and "The Savage Curtain"
#star trek#star trek tos#tos#the omega glory#the savage curtain#spock#jim kirk#abraham lincoln#4th of july#image#described#philosophie of mind
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yknow the bar was low at “abraham lincoln in spaaaace”
but i was not expecting the racial slur
and was really not expecting the “oh it’s ok racist words don’t hurt me bc we are evolved uwu” gene roddenberry completely high on his own bullshit
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The savage curtain was such a waste of an episode because you get to see fucking Surak, father of Vulcan culture as we know it, (in a sense) and rather than do anything interesting they just use him to strawman pacifists.
Like you guys seriously needed Genghis Kahn and a Klingon? (ignoring the racism aspect there the Klingons were literally inspired by Genghis Khan so having both was redundant)
But anyway you choose those racist caricatures when when you could’ve had oh I don’t know,
A ROMULAN!
#star trek tos#star trek#james t kirk#star trek watch through#spock#surak#the savage curtain#Were the ears that expensive?
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