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Crossover episode @groenendaze
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sonjatwogreyhounds · 11 months
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John Quincy Adams - 1916
Countess Kitty Schönborn
John Quincy Adams (21 December 1874 – 15 March 1933) was an Austrian genre and portrait painter of American ancestry.Studied at the Scheffer School of Painting, then at the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna, as well as in Munich and Paris. Since 1902 member of the Künstlerhaus Vienna. Leading portrait painter of Viennese society, as well as of Dutch genre scenes, landscapes, and documentary images of the First World War.
the #sighthound #Bulletin
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What breeds would you consider to be food options for outcrossing with the Doberman, and why. Have there been any promising outcrosses in your opinion? I’d love to learn more about this. It’s so interesting.
Hehehehe food options.
I think it is more than breed. I think it's going to need to come down to useage and temperament. Certain common mixed breeds and types may be better suited than purebreds to add into the gene pool.
First I would start with what we know. German pinscher, rottweiler, manchester terrier, and greyhound.
Greyhound we know was added mainly for aesthetic, and we really need to consider aesthetic last when it comes to this breed. There are plenty of dobermans that look correct that we can breed to when the time is right to regain aesthetic. If the addition of a sighthound is truly necessary, I would say something more akin to a RR or sloughi for the more protective/wary temperament, or ibizan for their robust health is probably better than a greyhound at this point.
Manchester terrier makes up the bulk of the terrier traits of the doberman, with hints of german pinscher thrown in. I wouldn't be mad about adding either or both to the pile however manchesters do have a known DCM problem and GPs do have CHF, so I can understand why many doberman people are leery of returning to the known terrier roots when trying to avoid heart problems in the first place. My suggestion- the airedale- also has a known heart problem unfortunately. However I do think terriers as a breed group should not be wholly discarded, simply that we would need to find a feisty terrier breed or type that is hardy and fearless. Feists as used by hunters, especially boar and bear hunters, are a solid possibility if we can find one that's actually health tested. Personally I wouldn't be too mad about a bully breed working in protection sport or big game hunting but that may add a little too much dog aggression to the mixture. Dobermans are described as "belligerent" with other dogs, but they IMO should still be controllable around another dog and not act like an idiot.
Rottweiler as "butcher's dogs", where they were more of an even mix of herding and mastiff traits instead of the heavily mastiff influenced breed they are now, provide an interesting perspective. Right now, the european show line doberman (often just called "euro") is far too molossus and far less terrier than it should be. Adding rottweiler as they are now would continue to exacerbate this problem, unless we added fairly fine-boned rotties which is technically correct (a "good doberman" should be difficult to tell from a "bad rottweiler" after all) but then we are seeking incorrect dogs in the breed we're borrowing genes from and that gets us into a whole additional mess. We may need to break it down into two separate pieces: herding and mastiff.
I'm actually not mad about the known mal/dobe and dutch/dobe crosses as I think that could have been fairly successful, if only the folks involved had used good dogs rather than just picking any old doberman and any old mal/dutch and expecting these puppies to be fire from birth. What ended up happening is that the puppies are largely fairly lackluster in protection, but okay as active pets and other performance sports. This is mainly a result of using dogs that were already lackluster themselves- a better result would have happened if they had used proven parents. How do I know this? Because for a very long time the most recent doberman ancestry dog that did anything in KNPV was not a purebred but a mal/dobe cross (in between a purebred dobe owned here in the states 20 years ago, and a handful of purebred dobes owned overseas a few years ago). The cross can work. You just need the right dogs for it.
As far as mastiff goes, personally I would prefer the mastiff traits to be somewhat diluted through a different type before being added to the doberman. What I mean by that is while I'm willing to acknowledge that the corso/dobe outcross was one of the more successful in creating a doberman-appearing and doberman-seeming dog, both physical and temperamental mastiff traits continue to appear in the dogs produced by the project, making them continue to occupy a weird "not really either" space. This problem is compounded by the fact that, once again, lackluster dogs were used in the first place. Perhaps with a proper working doberman and a proper working corso a better temperament result could have occurred, but we'd still be fighting those mastiff traits in the face and body.
Instead I again would bring up bully breeds, especially bully breed crosses with other working dogs, to dilute these mastiff traits and combine them with other traits we are actually looking for. The bandog [APBT x working mastiff]/dobe cross in I believe Czech Republic is, so far, the most successful by temperament. This is because the dobe used is a successful bitesport dog and the bandog used is successful in real life working fields as a security guard's dog. The resultant puppies are following in their parents' footsteps quite well from the looks of things. They mostly look like pit bull mixes but this is a much better result because the quality of the dogs used was better to begin with. I wouldn't even be mad about those bull terrier x malinois crosses I've seen occasionally for sport (which, btw, mega heart eyes) as that would combine THREE traits we're looking for.
I also think that this would need to happen more than once, more like several crosses of each of these suggestions to multiple different dogs as distantly related as possible, then bred together and with the wider doberman gene pool to spread the (hopefully) improved health throughout the breed. We will lose a lot in aesthetic initially but that is the least concern as that can be gained back fairly rapidly. The most important thing should be health, and immediately following after should be temperament.
No more of this "english bulldog to doberman" "smooth collie to doberman" "pointer to doberman" "husky to doberman" nonsense. It's nonsense. These dogs add absolutely nothing to the breed except traits we don't want, neither look nor act like the breed, and some of them only add more health problems that we already didn't want to worry about. No more of this "well I just wanted to make pets". The doberman is not a pet dog. It's a working dog. If you want to help fix the doberman breed then your first goal should be to create more working dogs. The health is in jeopardy but so is the temperament, and completely losing temperament for the sake of preserving aesthetic and maaaaaaaybe fixing health is completely unforgivable.
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rebeccawangart · 1 year
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Venus (2022)
A colorful pet portrait painting of a Rhodesian Ridgeback dog named Venus in bright rainbow colors with a lion spirit in the sky behind her. The background is a sunset gradient of blue, purple and magenta. The tan areas of the dog are represented by primarily orange with some red, yellow, hot pink, and blue highlights and shadows. The black areas are represented by blue, violet, purple, and magenta.
The Rhodesian Ridgeback is a sighthound breed from southern Africa that was bred to hunt lions. Rhodesia was the colonial name for the region now known as the country of Zimbabwe. The Khoikhoi people living in the region had a semi-feral hunting dog that had a prominent ridge along its back. When the Dutch settlers arrived in the 17th century, they brought with them mastiffs and sighthounds, many of which were cross bred with the semi-feral dog of the Khoikhoi to produce this Boer Hunting dog, an ancestor of the modern Rhodesian Ridgeback.
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Dutch sighthound club -100 years
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In Dutch the worlds wolfdog ("wolfhond"), as in hybrids or wolfdog breeds (like Saarloos or vlcak) and wolfhound ("wolfshond", with an S), as in the sighthound type, are only one letter away from being identical often leading to confusion
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photozoi · 2 years
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The Young(ish) Prince in the dog yard, enjoying his favourite seasonal hobby...
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Slapping ice.
the Young Prince- Borzoi
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thedutchsighthound · 3 years
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We really want snow so this photographer made it snow for me!
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jakehellenberg · 6 years
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widde wiend en smakhak | inktober week 3
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starlitmark · 2 years
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tbh i expected jaemin to be an uppy rabbit because he just gives off a more.. sharp? image? idk how to but it into words. like, doyoung to me is very clearly a dutch rabbit (or, alternatively, some very sleek dog, possibly some sort of sighthound because debatably he has a prey drive when it comes to certain people lmao) and i wasn't 100% for jaemin, but i wasn't envisioning a lop rabbit right away.
I could see him being an uppy rabbit too!! I chose cashmere lop cause he gives me those fluffy soft vibes alone with the stubbornness that lops have. Plus brain rot only wants to give him floppy grey ears 🥺 Doyoung is 100% a Dutch rabbit or a some sort of expensive sleek dog that’s really chill but I’m more on the bunnyboy Doyoung train because he looks more like a bunny to me 🥰
Enjoy this picture of Doie as a bunny that @slightlymore sent to our groupchat <3
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sonjatwogreyhounds · 1 year
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Artus Quellinus the Elder, Artus Quellinus I or Artus (Arnoldus) Quellijn (20 or 30 August 1609, Antwerp  – 23 August 1668, Antwerp) was a Flemish sculptor. He is regarded as the most important representative of the Baroque in sculpture in the Southern Netherlands. He worked for a long period in the Dutch Republic and operated large workshops both in Antwerp and Amsterdam. His work had a major influence on the development of sculpture in Northern Europe. (wikipedia).
The sculptor Quellinus worked on the city hall in Amsterdam, but kept his studio in Antwerp. There he made this endearing portrait of a greyhound. The coat of arms on the collar belongs to the Antwerp regent Roose family. So perhaps this was the dog of Pieter Roose, the most powerful politician in the Southern Netherlands.
#Rijksmuseum - Amsterdam
the #sighthound #bulletin
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doberbutts · 3 years
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Besides the cats (after house things) I really am not planning to get any other mammals outside of maybe snake food until after Creed is gone. However long I have left with my now almost-senior doberman, I won’t put him through a terrible chainsaw puppy at his age.
After that, at some point:
>black/tan chihuahua (pref from Fae/Tater’s breeders and I even know what parents I’d want that dog from)
>border terrier (probably) for fun dog stuff
>either a dutch shepherd or one of those whippet/mal lurchers that keep tempting me... if they can breed true that workability and drive in bitesport then I might actually go to the dark side for that... and only if I have the funds/time for a bitework dog and can’t find a doberman that I really like the pedigree of
>boyf wants a pit bull so if things actually get serious with him I guess I have to prepare for that to happen at some point
The cats I don’t really care sex/color though supposedly darker colored neuters are the best for allergies so I guess with preference to that (tho I love me a red kitty) I just want a pair of kittens since it’s supposedly better for kittens to have a kitten friend
I’m not super into exotic mammals at this point esp not with adding a terrier and/or cats and/or a pit bull and/or a fucking sighthound cross but if I were to lack braincells and do it anyway I’d still be thinking about weasels and their kin. BUT the cats will effectively be slightly more domesticated weasels anyway so that’ll probably cure me of the urge
I do still want SO MANY reptiles tho... monitors... more boas... maybe more geckos... but again with terrier and cats that will need to wait until I have a cat/dog-free area within a house to keep them safe from terrible prey driven animals
FISHTANKS though I still like my nano tanks so thankfully it’ll be a pain in the ass but not that hard to maintain once I get those going again
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enasroterfaden · 6 years
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Questions for the Author
I was tagged by @chantingwrites <3
1. Who has the darker backstory, your protagonist or your antagonist?
It’s usually my protagonists who have the darker background, but I also rarely have character-antagonists and instead institution-antagonists :P
2. What creeps out your main character?
Shedim is not a fan of mermaids :D Human-fish-thing? No thanks.
3. How long have you been working on your latest WIP?
The basic idea for Wir sind der Schlüssel came to me about 1 3/4 years ago, maybe 2.
The first lines I wrote about a year ago, but while I was working on finishing another WIP, so it didn’t get much attention.
October/November 2017 was when I really started writing.
4. Which character is most like you and why?
Probably Dea, simply because she’s just such a happy oddball with no sense of caution, and I can identify with that :D 
5. What genre is your latest WIP?
It’s a mix of Fantasy and Sci-Fi in a Post-Apocalyptic setting. So ... not sure what the specific genre name would be.
6. What’s your main character’s idea of a perfect date?
Shedim is not a dating-kind of person. In that regard she’s like me :P She just wants to hang out with the people she likes, not with any definitions attached their way of hanging out.
If she had to plan a date, she’d probably take the other person to the top of the tallest ruin around, build a makeshift grill and BBQ while the sun is setting.
7. If your main character was an animal, what would it be and why?
I feel like all three main characters from my WIP would be dogs...
Shedim would be either a Retriever breed or a Sighthound breed.
Kader would be some police dog breed, like a German or Dutch Shepherd or a Malinois
Dea would be a mutt, probably with some poodle and corgi genes in there, and definitely one that loves to do dog agility :P
8. What books/films/songs have influenced your WIP, if any?
I already did a tag game for that, but in general influence came from The Mists of Avalon and the Post-Apocalyptic LARP a couple of my friends attend.
9. What annoying writing habit do you have? (ie, too many commas, too many looong sentences etc).
My sentence structure in the first draft is always the same lol So going back through and editing it I have to rewrite a lot just so it doesn’t sound completely boring.
Also, German comma rules are super confusing and I don’t ever know if I have enough, too little or too many of them ...
10. Describe your WIP in one sentence.
Wir sind der Schlüssel: A girls accidentially shoots a guy, and makes some very unlikely friends during the following chaos.
Tagging time! I haven’t been very active on here lately so apologies if you’ve already done this. @merigreenleaf @madmooninc @lynnafred @ageekyreader @pheita @nanaschreibt @halfbloodlycan
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thetghguy · 6 years
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Dutch (again). #lurchers #lurcherlove #lurcher #lurcherlife #lurcherofinstagram #greyhounds #greyhound #sighthounds #sighthound
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okay so I’m finally getting more into the dogblr community but like.. I don’t post about myself much? so I feel like I’m just some random stranger popping up, whoops. So have some random and useless info about me and Tori!
I’m Maria, I’m 22, and I live in Ohio. I hate it here a lot but am stuck for the foreseeable future due to some fun mystery health problems. It’s lots of fun living with ultra conservative parents when you don’t share their opinions or beliefs. I currently work at a ~fancy~ pet store and spend my days petting puppies and nerding it up about animal nutrition/training/tools/equipment/etc.
I’ve always been obsessed with animals and especially dogs. I grew up around mals, mal/GSD crosses, dutchies, and aussies. My uncle used to teach obedience classes and I spent a big chunk of my childhood going to all the classes I could manage. It wasn’t too difficult seeing as my uncle was also my neighbor. 
I got Tori  in 2006 when I was 11, from a breeder in souther OH. Definitely more of the traditional/working aussie with a few show lines mixed in. FUN FACT Tori was almost a mal/GSD cross! My uncle used to breed mals and mal/GSD crosses and had a friend who had a litter right around the time I was looking for a pup. One of the puppies from that litter was in Tori’s puppy class, and he was a total cutie and very smart but I’m glad I ended up with my doofus. 
Myself and my sisters started out doing 4-H and then moved on to UKC obedience. I stopped showing in high school, but we had a good 6 year run! I love the dog show community around here and want to get back into it, but Tori isn’t impressed with the idea of leaving the house, let alone going to a busy dog show and remembering obedience things.
Tori is probably one of the weirdest dogs in the universe. She used to have energy for days but has basically been in a coma for 5 years. I’d say she sleeps for a good 20 hours of the day, but that’s okay cause same. Tori’s #1 all time favorite thing is rolling in dead stuff, followed closely by murdering rabbits and chipmunks. She could sneak up on a ninja and often scares the crap out of me showing up where I don’t expect her. One time I attached bells to her collar but she still didn’t make a peep. She likes about 6 people in the entire world and hates everyone else. She especially dislikes guys or anyone being loud. She can sometimes be bribed to like you with cheese and chicken given repeatedly over long periods of time. She’s not much for toys but likes bully tails and Himalayan chews. Her fears include freezers, cats that aren’t Willis (my cat who Tori thinks is her baby), bikes, cars turning off, shovels, and brooms. She’s weirdly okay with vacuums tho. 
I also sometimes talk about my sister’s dogs, past and present. Past includes Ellie, the mal/GSD cross, Bounder the aussie, Xera and Ari the Dutch shepherds, and Breeze the border collie. They both currently have border collies, Hazel and Josie. Hazel lives in NC now so I only see her a few times a year, but I see Josie almost every weekend.
Side note; I’m hella obsessed with sighthounds and one day will have like 50 borzoi, 32 silkens, and a few greyhounds. I’m trying to learn as much as I can about them in the meantime, and might try to find some kind of mentor in the next year or two to teach me more about structure etc.
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rianneeyre · 7 years
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I love your dogs ears! What breed is he?
I have no clue! He’s a rescue from Spain (currently residing with me in the Netherlands). My friends and I (and every dog-owning stranger we meet) have great fun attempting to guess what breeds are in him. My money is on a good chunk of markiesje (a Dutch breed, but also seen in Spain, apparently), and that’s where I think he has the ears from - if you google image search it, you’ll see what I mean. 
He can’t be full markies, though, because he’s a little too big, not quite fluffy enough in his coat, and has black-and-tan colouring that isn’t allowed within the markies breed. So there’s gotta be something else in there - maybe some Australian Shepherd, since they can be black and tan, and Louis is quite the herder! 
Also people have pointed out that he moves like a sighthound (with high flexibility in his spine and similar head movement) when he pulls a sprint. So maybe also some Italian greyhound somewhere? 
tl;dr: I have no clue, really, but I can talk about my dog and his ancestry forever.
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