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Babylon 5 I 'Divided Loyalties'
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Canon Sapphic Characters Tournament Round 1 (Bracket 6)
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[ID: An image displaying two scenes highlighting Susan Ivanova and Talia Winters' relationship. One is when Ivanova admits she loved Talia. The other is Talia in Ivanova's bed, about to reach out and realize she's not there.
The text overlaid reads: "Honest-to-god WLW representation in the 90s. That's referenced in another episode as something That Happened. Absolutely incredible!" End ID.]
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In the spirit of that last post about asks: Do you have any "I don't have any proof but I Just *KNOW* it's true" headcanons for Ivanova?
Hmm. Hmmmm.
I refuse to accept jms' take that Talia and Susan had sex in Divided Loyalties, chiefly because he bases it on a "they don't have to get into each other's heads, they can choose to stay out" approach. Susan's motivation for not wanting anyone inside her head isn't just based on general mistrust or closed off-ness and I just don't see her risking anything on someone (anyone) keeping their wits about them during sex. Even just something that would have her throw up a block reflexively would out her. She'd only have sex if she was okay with Talia knowing and at the point of the episode (and just hours(?) after coming out to John) she's probably almost there, but not quite yet.
I also have a hard time with any fics that somehow incorporate Talia's gloves into anything intimate/sexual. I think the association to the Corps would be way too strong for that so I'm going with "if you want to make sure Susan doesn't want to have sex with you, bring out the gloves".
On a more flexible "range of possibilities" head canon scale: I think she'll remain single (while possibly having casual sex very intermittently) up until Sleeping in Light. And I'm leaning more towards the possibility of Susan and Delenn not staying entirely platonic after that every time I watch the show.
Thank you for the ask! (I really, really need a rewatch...)
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Edit: I will not re-post this to the correct blog, this just lives here as a monument to my glee!
B5 s02e19 Divided Loyalties
Table of Contents • previous episode
Delenn: "I find the notion of the press a…fascinating, but sometimes troubling concept."
I find the notion that the Minbari don't have press to be a fascinating but potentially troubling concept!
The machine that dispenses Universe Today but requires that you confirm your identity to get a paper is wild. Does it give different papers to different people?
Delenn: "It is good to know what your people are thinking and saying about my people. And, uh, I often learn things about my own world before I'm told what I need to know and no more."
She is so cute!! And so crafty!! I liked Delenn from The Gathering, but I like her more and more whenever she appears.
A flood on a space station seems like it could get really really bad, really really fast.
I once read a hilarious fanfic where some Star Wars characters traveled to B5 and bought a shitload of data crystals, which turned out to be kyber, and this reminded me of that.
When I was looking up what the episode was called, I saw that Lyta-from-the-Gathering would be coming back and I'm so excited for this! I hope she and Talia get along.
asddkhfsdkfh what was that little shimmy?? Cool alien, hilarious shoulder wiggles.
Sheridan: "oh, I miss trees…."
Garibaldi, from Mars: "……" *yeah, so anyway changing the subject now*
Talia: It's hard to believe it's taken us so long to get to this point. Two years.
Susan: Well, you didn't exactly make it easy.
Talia: Me? how 'bout you?
Susan: I'll have you know I've been nothing but compassionate and understanding. I mean, all you had to do was admit that you were wrong and I was right and everything would be fine!
LMAO.
Sleepover? Sleepover!!! GAY GIRLS GO
Susan: "I'd like the company."
Yeah I'd like her company, too. *eyebrow waggle*
Wow, Lyta had a rough arrival! Maybe she can sleep over with Susan and Talia, too. *eyebrow waggle*
Go Lyta Go. I support unhinged women wielding surgical tools.
Poor Lyta has spent years being distrusted and interrogated by psicorps for what she saw in Kosh's mind. I'd be pretty twitchy after that, too! Their tender loving care seems like it would be the exact oppposite.
She is even hotter than she was in the Gathering.
OK, love the exposition about the fucked up things psi corps can do with people's brains. Fucking terrifying. Implant a personality below their personality, that emerges and destroys the original when the right time comes around. Moles that don't know they're moles. Very uncool of PsiCorps.
Lyta is SO paranoid, but I suspect she isn't being paranoid enough. She's shockingly tolerant of being placed in secure holding. I don't think I'd agree to be literally imprisoned that readily. She hasn't done anything but come out of anesthesia swinging surgical tools after being imprisoned by PsiCorps for two years.
Delenn!!!
Sheridan: Why is it every time you finally get things calmed down and everything's going great life decides to kick you in the butt?
Delenn: …but what?
That really got me and I lol'ed. Good use of idioms and miscommunication! Love it. She wasn't taught slang because it was considered innapropriate for a member of the religious caste.
Delenn: I butt, you butt, he or she butts…
Sheridan: NO. No, it's…
Delenn: Butt-butt.
Sheridan: you sound like a motorboat.
Delenn: Motor butt?
I continue to cackle. OK, I finally ship them. They reeled me in!
Hold her hand back you fucking monkey!!
The debates and counter-intelligence and fact checking is A+. Damn you JMS for making me like Garibaldi via the excellent Garibaldi-Sheridan interactions. :|
Sleepover date!! I am so excited. Susan knows how to woo a woman: with a real, hot-water shower. It would work on me.
More good exposition. Talia knew Lyta, she was six months behind Talia at the academy. She was nice, sweet. They were close at one time. *eyebrow waggle*
It speaks very well of Lyta that she hated her PsiCop internship and went commercial instead.
"So I've come to the decision that there's only one person on this station that I can trust implicitly…" *gets in Susan's personal space and stares at her lips* "…you." *almost touches Susan with bare fingers*
me: *goes absolutely fucking feral*
Why tf is Lyta a prisoner?! I ask a-fucking-gain. This is ridiculous, and exposes her and her mission to the goddamn EarthCorps brown shirts!
Yeah, well obviously someone wanted to shoot at her when she was being transferred! This is why she should be having a gay-ass sleepover with Talia and Susan right now!
At least they don't think Lyta instigated the attack on herself. They're ass-backwards about this. She shows up with news of a secret, they imprison her where any security staff could find out, including the goddamn leak she was talking about, and then Sheridan is mad and shocked someone knew she was there with critical info. C'mon, dude.
Also Susan, <3, Sheridan is right about one thing, this isn't a scan to object to, it's just her projecting a code word to see if anyone reacts.
Talia: "I woke up last night and you were gone."
Me: [beast shaking toy in mouth.jpeg]
O.o WHAT IS SUSAN LYING ABOUT. Is she telepathic???? It's my long-running headcanon about her! Please be telepathic, please be. If we get to find out that her mom used her telepathy to hide Susan's powers that would be EVERYTHING to me.
If only Na'Toth and Laurel were in this episode also being badasses it would be the greatest of all time.
c'mon telepathic Susan! C'mon!! omfg I'm almost vibrating.
"…and then, every once in awhile, I was the one who touched her mind."
SCREAMING CRYING THROWING UP FUCK YES I AM WELL FED THIS EPISODE
"…I'm a latent telepath."
FUCKING WINNING
Now Sheridan just needs to not be an idiot about this. Obviously she hid it, who wants to be fucking gangpressed into PsiCorps?!
Good job, Sheridan. Minimal shittiness achieved. And I know I'm completely fucking feral about Susan/Talia but it's so perfect that Susan is so close to Sheridan that he's the first person she tells about her hidden talent.
Smart of Garibaldi to hand over his piece before being not-scanned. What a fucker tho, faking them out. hahah.
also please don't be the mole, Ivanova. I don't want anything bad to have happened to her, ever, but since plenty has, I don't want any more!!
After all these people have been cleared, I think Ivanova will probably just agree to being cleared. She will want to know. Maybe she would let Lyta tell Talia the password and let Talia password her?
I do like Sheridan's theory earlier talking to Garibaldi that the second in command who shot Garibaldi in the back was the mole.
Ahhhh Ivanova did change her mind. And she's clean!
Lyta: I'm sorry
Susan: Go to hell.
That's my girl.
Oh man!! I didn't even think to suspect Talia! Fuuuuuuuck, and she's all telekinetic'ed up, too!! Oh, damn it. I don't like this at all.
or do I? There's plenty of whump to be had. hm.
You know what I really don't like, this boys-only confab. Ivanova is the second in command of the entirety of B5 and she's not present for the strategy meeting. Uncool.
Ahhhh it's all coming together for Garibaldi. Wow, they really have been seeding this plotline for the whole show!! Cool Hat Man Mind Empty No Thoughts Only Hat wasn't just fun filler!
The Talia that Susan knew definitely has to be in there! They haven't kissed yet! And I need that!!
Oh, this is chilling!! The angst! The whump!! Susan!!!
I think it would be really funny if the sub-personality didn't understand homosexuality and therefore has no idea real!Talia was in love with Susan and vice versa.
OK now I weirdly ship Lyta/Kosh.
"I never told them, I never told anyone. I hid it all away in the smallest, tiniest corner of my mind. They could have killed me and they still wouldn't have found it. Only at night, alone, would I open that small door in my mind where I kept the memory of you and listened to your voice. Listened to you sing me to sleep. I hope I can come back again, but I don't know. Until then, Kosh, I want to see you again. Just one more time before I go."
Lyta's a bonafide monsterfucker. What a great note to end this on!
My thoughts right now are: "Hnnnnnngggggshshshcsagfjkaldsf yes." Good episode! My favorite of the season so far! I can't wait to see how all this plays out!! I may make some gifs and do a gif-post of this ep later. So many good shots!
this next one is posted to the correct blog, hah.
#babylon 5#lyta alexander#susan ivanova#talia winters#susan ivanova x talia winters#screaming crying throwing up#an episode of all time#plot plot plot plot#woodsfae b5
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#babylon 5#b5#for once it's not an incorrect quote#b5 moodboard#moodboard monday#talia winters#susan ivanova#russian winter#space wlw being space wlw#one-sided enemies to lovers#boomshakalaka#but for real this time#red string of fate#snip snip#star crossed lovers#literal telepath x doesn't Have Emotions™
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fake sci fi book cover about talia and susan might make a few other iterations
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Instead of falling asleep I’ve been thinking about Talia always wearing long sleeves, bulky shoulder pads, high necklines,and black gloves. She shuts the telepathic world out, and more than that, she shuts herself away from any accidental touch and therefore, stray thought. No one’s bare arm will casually brush hers as she slips through the casino to meet a client. Her fingers will never brush someone else’s as she takes a data pad from them.
What I’m saying is
I’m going to go completely fucking feral the first time she reaches out for Susan. Or takes Susan’s hand with bare fingertips.
#babylon 5#first time babylon 5 viewer#talia winters#susan ivanova#talia winters x susan ivanova#but how ironclad is her mental control?#i can’t stop thinking about her practicing in private post Jason-ascension#girl is locking down#i wanna see her unleash#woodsfae b5
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Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Babylon 5 (TV 1993)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Susan Ivanova/Talia Winters
Characters: Susan Ivanova, Talia Winters
Additional Tags: Slice of Life, Drabble, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
Summary:
Talia wakes her up and promises are made for later.
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Ships that have already qualified (read before submitting):
Jude Lizowski/Jonesy Garcia
Tyler Kennedy "TK" Strand/Carlos Reyes
Peter Parker (Spider-Man)/Gwen Stacey
Willow Rosenberg/Winifred "Fred" Burkle
Francine Frensky/Muffy Crosswire
Susan Ivanova/Marcus Cole
Kate Kane (Batwoman)/Renee Montoya
Barry B. Benson/Vanessa Bloome
Jake Peralta/Amy Santiago
Willow Rosenberg/Tara Maclay
Jack Zimmermann/Eric "Bitty" Bittle
Justin "Ransom" Oluransi/Adam "Holster" Birkholtz
Danny/Reuven
Larissa "Lara" Bogdan/Jasmine
Kelsey Pokly/Isabella "Stacks" Alvarado
Rebecca Bunch/Audra Levine
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Rebecca Bunch/Nathaniel Plimpton
Samantha "Sam" Manson/Danniel "Danny" Fenton
Bruce Wayne (Batman)/Selina Kyla (Catwoman)
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Leah/Chanan
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Trina/Mendel Weisenbachfeld
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SUBMISSIONS ARE OPEN UNTIL MAY 8, 2023 @ 12:00 AM EDT
#info#if you have any reasons a ship shouldn't be on this list let me know since I don't have the ability to fully vet everything#there are a small handful im still considering#will update as more submissions trickle in
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We need to reevaluate our relationship!!!!!!!!!!
#Babylon 5#babylon5edit#Susan Ivanova#Talia Winters#Susan x Talia#Russian Winter#Claudia Christian#Andrea Thompson#lgtbq characters#my edits
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Canon Sapphic Characters Tournament Round 2 (Bracket 6)
#camille l'espanaye#kate siegel#the fall of the house of usher#mike flanagan#susan ivanova#babylon 5#claudia christian#canon sapphic characters tournament#tumblr bracket#tumblr poll#fandom polls#sapphic#wlw#lesbian#bisexual#susan x talia
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mean lesbians: a comprehensive list
Below are the ladies we have selected, both from submissions from you lovely people, and our own brains. The way this tournament will work is that 32 of these bitches will go against each other in the first round until there is one final mean lesbian standing. Then, we run the other 32 lesbians against each other until there is only one of that group, and then the winner of the first round and the winner of the second go head to head to determine who is the biggest, meaniest, lesbianest one in all the land
But! In order to do this we still need your help. We have almost enough mean lesbians (enough for the first 32) but are 1 short of having 32 for the second round. Please continue to submit more if your favorite mean lesbian is not already included below. Refer to our pinned post for mean lesbian qualifying criteria
We have enough for 32 in each group, thanks everyone for your suggestions!
Now, onto the lesbians:
1. Haruka Tenoh - Sailor Moon
2. Michiru Kaiou - Sailor Moon
3. Machi Komacine - Hunter x Hunter
4. Juri Arisugawa - Revolutionary Girl Utena
5. Shiori Takatsuki - Revolutionary Girl Utena
6. Anthy Himemiya - Revolutionary Girl Utena
7. Cheryl Blossom - Riverdale
8. Regina Mills - Once Upon a Time
9. Tenko Chabashira - Danganronpa 3
10. Himiko Yumeno - Danganronpa 3
11. Hiyoko Saionji - Danganronpa 2
12. Celestia Ludenberg - Danganronpa 1
13. Reyna Ramierz-Arellano - Heroes of Olympus
14. Thalia Grace - Percy Jackson and the Olympians
15. Olivier Armstrong - Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
16. Willow Rosenberg...evil - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
17. Jolyne Cujoh - Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Part 6
18. Abigail Jones - The Great Pretender
19. Shinobu Kocho - Demon Slayer
20. Misa Amane - Death Note
21. Rem - Death Note
22. Mai Valentine - Yu-Gi-Oh!
23. Kou Seiya - Sailor Moon
24. Kou Taiki - Sailor Moon
25. Kou Yaten - Sailor Moon
26. Sailor Lead Crow - Sailor Moon
27. Homura Akemi - Madoka Magica
28. Kyoko Sakura - Madoka Magica
29. Ishizu Ishtar - Yu-Gi-Oh!
30. Kyoko Kirigri - Danganronpa 1
31. Rose Lalonde - Homestuck
32. Kanaya Maryam - Homestuck
33. Vriska Serket - Homestuck
34. Foo Fighters/F.F. - Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Part 6
35. Ermes Costello - Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Part 6
36. Blue - Blue’s Clues
37. Trixie Troublebee - Lazytown
38. Yoru/War Devil - Chainsaw Man
39. Quanxi - Chainsaw Man
40. Taylor Swift - Real Life
41. Miorine Rembran - The Witch from Mercury
42. Harrowhark Nonagesimus - The Locked Tomb
43. Gideon Nav - The Locked Tomb
44. Ianthe Tridentarius - The Locked Tomb
45. Amity Blight - The Owl House
46. Princess Bean - Disenchantment
47. Talia Winters - Babylon 5
48. Susan Ivanova - Babylon 5
49. Poison Ivy - DC Universe
50. Susie - Deltarune
51. Melanie King - The Magnus Archives
52. Daisy Tonner - The Magnus Archives
53. Kira Nerys - Star Trek
54. Santana Lopez - Glee
55. Catra - She-Ra and the Princess’ of Power
56. Azula - Avatar the Last Airbender
57. Clarisse La Rue - Percy Jackson
58. Raven - Teen Titans
59. Haley - Stardew Valley
60. Roxy - Five Night's At Freddy's Security Breach
61. Jessie "Prepare for Trouble and Make it Double!" - Pokemon
62. Regina Georgie - Mean Girls
63. Heather Chandler - Heathers
64. Villanelle - Killing Eve
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#*@!, do I hate it when people claim that the Talia we've seen all along is fake and the one Lyta brings out is the real one.
Not only is it not what the dialogue says (and, technically, Lyta could be wrong), but it basically cheapens her storyline into oblivion. And totally turns Ivanova's into something else entirely.
Ugh.
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