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TATTOO DESIGN by SUTHERLAND MACDONALD | 1905
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#the magnus protocol#episode 11#sutherland macdonald#the Michaelangelo of tattooing#tmp spoilers#tmagp#tattoo artwork#victorian tattoos
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(via Sutherland Macdonald (England, 1900's) - all things amazing — LiveJournal)
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Los tatuajes de Sutherland MacDonald.
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with the most recent episode having ink5oul mention Sutherland Macdonald, who is apparently one of the first to offer a professional tattoo service in London, i shall now headcanon Macdonald as tmagp’s version of tma’s Robert Smirke
#tmagp#the magnus protocol#as for why? because i can#man i wanna see more architectural horror in tmagp tho…
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Ok so Sutherland Macdonald is a real person and a real tattoo artist
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Ink5oullll,, who are you,,, what are you doing with that dead body,,, what is an Oscar Jarrett,,, who is Sutherland MacDonald,,,
Also saw that post where someone noticed audio distortions whenever people are lying and i really noticed it this time,,, i wonder what it meannssss
#oohhh i hope they r a recurring character#tmagp spoilers#tmagp#the magnus protocol#the magnus protocol spoilers
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I haven't seen anyone mention "Sutherland Macdonald" why hasn't anyone mentioned Sutherland Macdonald??
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Ok so I did a bit of very cursory googling.
I couldn't find anyone notable or related to tattoos named Oscar Jarrett.
Sutherland MacDonald was a real guy. He was a prominent English tattoo artist in the late 19th early 20th century. Apparently the first person to have a dedicated tattoo studio in England.
However, one of the people in the “see also” section of his Wikipedia page is a guy called George Burchett. He was also a tattoo artist in London at the same time as MacDonald. Seems like he was a bit of a celebrity and tattooed a lot of rich people and royalty.
Also he was from a seaside town, Brighton, and joined the Navy at 13, so it seems like Oscar Jarrett could be based on this guy. Interested to see if we'll hear about him again.
I'm really digging the creepy tattoos. My big question from This case is, what did Ink5oul want the tattoo for? Obviously it's both powerful and historically significant, but what exactly are they going to do with it? Copy it? Cut it off the corpse and hang it on the wall? Sew it onto their own body? I'm intrigued. I can't wait to hear from Ink5oul again.
Links:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Macdonald
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Burchett
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Listening again…
So whatever happens to Celia, happens regularly. And Jack relies on her for something…
‘No past left to face’ - oh, Alice, you know Sam has a past..(where the hell is Alice getting coffee, all the coffee shops in London close at 4pm)
Alice is clearly worried about Gwen and Celia. I think Alice is like a guardian angel of the OIAR, taking care of everyone, making sure they don’t get caught up in the cases, helping Teddy get away.
But Alice is also clearly scared of whatever is following her. (Oh yes, computer glitched when Alice said ‘it’s nothing’ and when she said ‘I’m not bothered’ )
Oh, I love this casement. The way it just slowly seeps into their consciousness, changes them without noticing.
Sutherland Macdonald was a real life tattoo artist in the Victorian era. He has a Wikipedia page. I presume they think he did the tattoo. It wouldn’t be the first time a real person has been part of the Magnus backstory. Oscar Jarrett doesn’t appear to be real though.
Oh god. This sounds so much like Jon. I miss Jon and Martin.
Everyone is having weird dreams this episode.
So the ‘lying’ noise comes when Alice says ‘that’s right!’ about not thinking.
If the computer knows when someone is lying / something in the computer knows LITERALLY EVERYTHING. Oh - it’s the Eye. Whatever is left of Jon in there - it’s got the power of the Eye. And whoever - Jon, Martin, what I think is Jonah - is making sure everything is recorded.
Lena canonically screams at the horrors…
I still think Gwen is doing good, somehow, I think she’s investigating. Perhaps - she’ll save Alice?
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SPOILERS FOR TMAGP 11
PLEASE DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT NEW EPISODE SPOILERS for 4/9
Eavesdropping on Celia via her phone. She seems to wake up in a street- is she sleepwalking? "Oh Christ, not again!" And "Hold on Jack, I'm on my way."
Return of ink5oul
Oscar Jarret, Sutherland MacDonald? Potentially important tattoo artists or avatars of the same force as Ink5oul
THE DEEP WILL CARE FOR HIS BONES
Irresistible fascination with tattoo
"It's waiting in the water"
Gwen genuinely thanks Alice for a coffee, but then calls her a subordinate and pulls rank
Celia is late and mentions (while alone) that something happened again
The coffee was for Celia
Gwen confronts Lena. Mr Bonzo's an external, and a valued asset! Lena recommends screaming because it's a good coping mechanism and "they like it "
The name and address in the envelope will become clear as the cases come in.
We got a lot of name drops, but I don't know who Jack, Oscar Jarret, or Sutherland MacDonald are. Except that I'm going to constantly get the last one confused with Donald Sutherland.
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MAGNUS PROTOCOL 11 SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT
so obviously it was Ink5oul that was at the site talking about how the sailors tattoo was an “Oscar Jarrett” and something to do with Sutherland Macdonald.
google brought me nothing for oscar jarrett, HOWEVER Sutherland Macdonald DID bring some answers. he was technically London’s first tattoo artist, in the sense that he was the first *professional* tattoo artist (screenshot from wiki below)
so that connection is obvious, he either was the artist who did the sailors tattoo, or possibly oscar was an apprentice under him, and we are trying to gather more on oscar.
theres so much more in the episode that putting this together neatly and keeping it JUST about this part of the episode is SO HARD OML so many racing thoughts
also do we think that the reason the sailors graveyard is eroding is because its the ocean trying to claim them back??? in the email offering condolences about davids passing, gordie writes “he’s with the sea now. the deep will care for his bones.” those were all sailors in that graveyard and now it’s crumbling away off the cliff….towards the ocean
#tmagp 11#tmagp spoilers#the magnus archives#the magnus pod#the magnus protocol#ink5oul#tmagp#tmagp theory#tmagp speculation
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MAGp - 011
Celia is... a sleepwalker? Periodically possessed? Who's to say!
Alice feels followed- perhaps by our good friend [ERROR]! Please be a friend and not like, Jane Prentiss. Or actually I changed my mind that would also be rad. Please don't be by Mr. Bonzo that would suck
Ayyy tattoo appearance! Remember that episode of TMA where you get on a ship, get paid a buttload of money to do nothing except hope you aren't a poor sod left floating alone at sea to die?
The tattooist themselves is back! God you're so off putting when are you free next? Also Oscar Jarrett is another evil tattooist- so many names, so little memory space
Whoever Sutherland Macdonald is, cheers! You get a mention and also I would've immediately forgotten you had I not written it down
"He's with the sea, now. The deep will care for his bones."
It is absolutely hysterical to be pissed at being told to be more professional after sending that shit previously
The Influencer Tattooist 'took it'? The body? Just the tattoo?
"Mr. Bonzo is one of our externals." OKAY big here guys confirmation these are the Not Good Guys! The existence of externals implies the existence of internals- we've got Helen distortion locked up somewhere, I just know it, tell me where so I can ask if she's free for dinner soon
"[Mr. Bonzo] is a valued asset." So actually Lena he eats people
Could Needles also be an external? The tattooist? The old movie theatre guy? Am I an external?
I guess if you can't beat 'em, monitor, assess, and feed people to 'em.
"[The Externals] usually like [screaming]." At least Lena is far more forthcoming than rat bastard Elias was, I guess
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Hello Magnus protocol community,
I was looking through all of the past transcripts trying to find a statement that mentioned tattoos or the specific names of these ppl/organization?:
And I couldn't find anything. Maybe this is a statement read and not recorded? Anyone got any theories I'd love to hear! Oscar Jarrett tattoo why do you sound familiar... Sutherland MacDonald who what are you...
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TMAGP 11 Thoughts: Anchors Aweigh
We're finally back. Not much to say up top except it was a long wait.
Spoilers for episode 11, and light spoilers for TMA season 5, below the cut.
A very strong cold open to welcome us back. Celia doesn't just wake up in a strange location, she's got no memory of getting there, it's not her first time doing it, and she's looking for a character we've not yet been introduced to. Honestly there are a load of things this could be. If she's TMA's Celia it could be after effects of her time in the domain that stole her name. Or it's not after effects but the same effects now being re-triggered if she's in a universe with the same entity that did it. Or it's a side-effect of crossing between universes. Or the way she crossed between universes isn't how Anya Villette did it and she's actually occupying TMP's Lynne Hammond's body but not entirely suppressing Lynne in the process. Or Lynne has taken on Celia's memories and Celia never truly left TMA's universe at all. Lots of ways I can see that playing out.
The first office section is a bit of a recap of last episode with some banter more than it is anything substantive. However, Alice does think she's being followed which is probably something that'll come up later. I think the obvious thing to jump at here is that it's [Error]. It's not the first time we've seen someone dig through the Institute's soggy ruins only to come away with some paranoia though. It doesn't seem to be hitting her quite as hard as RedCanary but it certainly mirrors their reaction. Either way I think this could easily be a RedHerring and [Error] has nothing to do with it and it's just TMI magic.
For a small thing during that interaction there is another "lie detector" audio distortion. I'm not sure I've been mentioning all of these in these posts but when Alice says "Hm? Nah, it’s nothing." there is a distortion afterwards. Likely because such distortions signify lies. This exactly a new observation but I can't remember if I'm making an effort to note when they happen.
So for the first case back it's a pretty chill one all in all. Some spooky happenings where nothing major really happens but does contain a good bit of world building.
So for some general musings in order. First off Alison Leshi's email address is G.Leshi instead of A.Leshi. It's not likely important as there isn't a Leshi in CHDB (see masterdoc link below), so it's probably nothing. Could just be some subtle trans rep but I figure it could somehow come up later and so is worth a mention.l
Next up we've got our second mention of ink5oul. The "big snake tattoo" on their arm is pretty clearly the same as the "gorgeous floral serpent design" Daria mentions in episode 2. Daria also explains that ink5oul is a popular influencer and like most of those they try and throw that weight around here. They're a very big deal online don't you know. Something that I think is interesting, but maybe not intended, is that ink5oul's Instagram account is flagged with the alchemic symbol for salt and this case is deeply tied to the sea. That account might not be official but it's a nice connection if it is.
There are a couple of name drops that will likely prove pretty important. Oscar Jarrett is likely a character we'll meet later and as of right now the name is all we have. Sutherland Macdonald, on the other hand, is a very real person and given how TMA likes to use historic characters I have a feeling they'll be quite important. Macdonald was Britain's first professional tattoo artist. Insofar as he had a public business in which he tattooed people as his work. He was exceptionally talented, very popular, and highly sought-after. More than that though of his documented works serpent-motifs, both snakes and dragons, are very common. Given ink5oul's own, well, ink I'm pretty sure that's not a coincidence. Sutherland Macdonald could very well be another figure like Smirke. A real historic person with embellished and occult history for the show. Oscar Jarrett could be a protégé or rival of Sutherland, and tattoos might end up being the new Leitners.
There isn't much to dig in to beyond that but I will say I really enjoyed this episode. Excited to see where this all goes.
Back in the office we've got Gwen trauma, Celia trauma, and Lena being Lena. Which is all great stuff. Bonzo is likely hunting Klaus given that conversation too. That's the only figure Gwen has any real knowledge of and Lena obviously has some unresolved business there. The transcript sheds some additional light on the interactions here too as both times external is mentioned it's capitalised. Which does seem to imply it's an official position at the OIAR rather than something euphemistic. Mr. Bonzo getting more detail here is also great. It's another reinforcement that whatever he now is very much isn't how he started. "Green custard" getting a shout out is also very welcome. That's not so much a Mr. Blobby thing but people getting slimed was a big fixture of that era of children's TV in Britain.
Sam finally looking to cross reference these things is great to hear as well. I crave more data. Speaking of data, now it's time for the nerd shit.
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Incident/CAT#R#DPHW Master Sheet
DPHW Theory: 5246 is pretty unremarkable and so I don't think I've got much to explain there. 4 is a little lower than I was expecting but not off by so much that I think something is wrong.
CAT# Theory: CAT23 sure is a category. I was hoping to have something solid by the time the break was over. There are enough outliers in every theory I've seen to pretty confidently think no one is on the right track with this or some people are but the data we have is faulty. Which to be fair we know is the case. It's just about which parts of the data should we be ignoring.
R# Theory: C fits in perfectly with my theory. Not much to say on that one.
Header talk: Tattoo (corpse) -/- compulsion is mostly interesting because of how it creates problems with Daria's case. If Tattoo is a section that would strongly imply that Daria's case should have been Tattoo rather than Transformation. But that one did also show up on Klaus which implies that it's correct. Just a weird section in general. The subsection is about the sort of mess you'd expect at this point. The crosslink is also just a crosslink.
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TMAGP 11 SPOILERS BELOW!!!
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I'm going to try to organize this to make all my thoughts less chaotic, but I apologize if this is still a mess 😅
Celia: So Celia randomly woke up in the middle of nowhere, I wonder if it's something to do with the Web. After all, Celia has implied that she was from the TMA universe, so maybe the Web is trying to get her to do something for it, as it's the last connection to TMA's universe Or could it be possible that she was unconsciously heading to Hilltop Road, where the portal was? Furthermore, who is Jack? Is he a partner or friend? Or could he be someone from the TMA universe that got pulled into this universe like Celia? Or is he someone important to her back in the TMA universe? Could he be someone she has turned to for her research on portal and other universes? Celia lied about where she was and why she was late, two questions: Why and does this have to do with Jack and/or her waking up in the middle of nowhere?
Lena and Gwen Debrief: They enjoy when you scream? Lena!! Are you confirming they are Avatars???? Also, "watch the caseload?" Does that mean Mr. Bonzo is going after one of the OIAR employees? Colin, Alice, and Celia are good possibilities.
* Colin because he "knows too much" and Lena has kept pushing him away from work, this could be her next step.
* Alice because she describes being followed, so this very well could be Mr. Bonzo. Also, she was at the ruins with Sam and could know more than she lets on.
* Celia because she is probably from the TMA universe and could know a lot. Also, her waking up in random places could be a result of a mark of a fear or a fear, like the Web trying to protect her.
* Sam also is a possibility, but I feel like, besides Gwen, he is least likely as he is really struggling to figure everything out.
Alice: Alice has been really paranoid this episode. I wonder if it is the Eye marking her like in MAG60. Or maybe it was [Redacted]? Or Mr. Bonzo?
Statement: First off, yay Ink5oul!!/pos The body looked perserved, and the tattoo was of the sea. Could this be a Flesh/Vast combo? Also, the ME died after observing the body, possibly Gordie as well, I wonder if the tattoo acted as an artifact or a Leitner. Also, I wonder if the tattooist(s) (Oscar Jarret and Sutherland Macdonald) Ink5oul mentioned were past Avatars or even their mentor.
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