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#so! angelic! Armand!

monstersinthecosmos · 8 months

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I have no intention of watching the new IWTV show, but I was wondering why you think Armand's characterization was so bad. I kinda hated how Antonio Banderas played him in the 1994 movie (not on its own, just in comparison to the books - I feel like his personality/demeanor was totally different), so it's sad that they still haven't gotten him right... Judging from pictures alone, I did think the casting for him was more fitting this time. Anyway, just curious to hear your thoughts!

Oh man!!!!!!!!! I do wanna say up front, I think Antonio was NOT A GREAT ARMAND but I like those scenes in the movie so much because they feel SO RICEY to me. Like I LOVE Movie!Armand even though he isn't Book!Armand, and if you read IWTV in good faith it's the only book that doens't harp on Armand looking like a smol uwu cherub so like ! SURE. He definitely still brings the calm nurturing mentor vibe in a huge way and the scenes in his room feel the most like the books to me.

I also know from the director's commentary that they specifically wanted Armand to look like that so that the Europe vampires would feel like OLD WORLD SCARY vs like, another twink lol. So he's got a little more of a tropey Dracula vibe going on and I think like as a visual contrast it works really well.

As far as the show; I think Assad is EXCELLENT. And like the whole fandom was joking even when the credits hit IMDB that it was gonna be Armand because everyone was like "OHH ARRIGHT.. LOUIS'S """""ASSISTANT"""""" OKAY !" so like I was one of the conspiracy theorists looking for clues the whole time. And his MANNERISMS are dead on and gave him away before anything else did. I have zero issue with the actor, I think he's so spooky and a complete smokeshow which Armand DESERVES. And I wish I could like the show for him, I really do! But it's just NOT WORKING FOR ME.

I'll put the rest under a cut cause it got lengthy and I'm not trying to like be a downer on anyone's dashboard but TLDR the show is so completely unrecognizable to me and I think it would've been so much better as an original concept, and personally I'm not excited by randos who share names with the books I read. The show is a hit! People really like it! But idk like showing me these two random ass men and saying "Hey this is Daniel and Armand" doesn't excite me because the story they're showing me actually ISNT Daniel and Armand lol. I'm here for the story!!! I'm not here for Easter Eggs!

Here's my main few gripes with how they wrote Armand which I find mega disappointing:

He spends 6.9/7 episodes pretending to be Louis's assistant named Rashid. WHY! LOL. Why would he do that! DANIEL DOESN'T REMEMBER HIM ANYWAY SO WHY???????? I DONT UNDERSTAND. Like Armand is a weirdo but is he THIS WEIRD? idk. idk.

The show also (in my opinion!) horrifically botched Lestat, but there's like this grain of doubt because the show has a theme of memory being unreliable, so the speculation is that maybe Armand planted a skewed version of events in Louis's head? Even the show runner sort of hinted at this? LIKE I HATE THIS?? Because if we get to S2 and it turns out that Lestat's been misrepresented, it then turns the tables and makes it that ARMAND is the one who's horrifically botched????? Like I'm all for silly Armand jokes and memes and whatever but like. sigh idk i just looked really forward to this show and hoped to see Armand on screen and I didn't really want a meme version of him. ((Also as an aside I really dislike the unreliable memory themes on the show the way they're presented because like the books frame unreliable narration as like interpretive and emotional but the vampire lore canonically is that they have like mega supernatural photographic memory? idk. If memory is faulty because they still have that human fallibility it's one thing unless they're saying Armand planted memories in Louis's head??? idk idk.))

And like speaking towards whether or not Armand is a person who would plant false memories in Louis's head; I concede that he psychically influenced Louis to join him in IWTV but like. ARMAND IS A NUANCED CHARACTER WHO ACTS FROM A PLACE OF NEED AND HURT. And idk it's just so fucking clunky I can't imagine the manipulation taking this type of shape. There's just, to me LOL, a huge difference between the mental nudge of "You are lonely and you need guidance please come with me" and "Lestat was a horrific domestic abuser." And like. idk. Just within the package of the whole rest of the season, this team has the subtlety of dropping a fucking piano so I just have no trust in them to write him with any sense of nuance.

AND THE BIGGEST OFFENSE THAT I'M JUST COMPLETELY DISGUSTED BY IS THAT HE'S A DAYWALKER?????????????????????????????????????????????????

I just hate the daywalking shit so fucking much I can't even start. Like the show changes a lot of the lore which is fine whatever it's their show change lore if you feel like it whatever but like. ARMAND'S ENTIRE LIFE IS THEMATICALLY BOOKENDED BY DARKNESS. He grows up in a CAVE. He lives in a CULT BENEATH A CEMETARY. He tries to KILL HIMSELF by GOING INTO THE SUN.

Like. And he's only 500? That's like adolescent for a vampire LOL.

There were a couple times in the season where they had some continuity errors on the show!lore so I got the vibe that the writers didn't really care about all the VAMPIRE STUFF which is kinda disappointing to me bc I'm a nerd lol but it felt like they used Armand in the sun to just give the audience a red herring and it came across as really cheap to me. So I wouldn't put it past this team to kinda be like DAYWALKING SURE LOL and not really take it seriously or think about the larger picture of how that unfolds for the character over more seasons.

IT'S WHATEVER, I JUST. I know it wouldn't make good television but I like VC because it's like existential dread and consuming darkness, I want it to hurt me, I want it to feel bleak, I want Armand's entire arc to be about how much he struggles with the idea that there's no God. It just feels like if you can make it a few centuries and be able to withstand the sun, what's the fucking point? What sacrifice did you make for being immortal? Especially for a character like Armand who so fully believes himself to be damned and would never want to make another vampire, would never subject even an enemy to it.

Especially bc like in the show the vampires can like ? Smoke? And have sex? And they can eat food (even though it tastes like paste but they can eat food). IF YOU CAN SMOKE AND FUCK AND GO IN THE SUN YOU'RE JUST A GUY. Where's the fucking DAMNATION OF IT ALL? Also what's the fucking point of Those Who Must Be Kept if you can go in the sun lol. I just . Ugh what a clusterfuck.

The show turns vampirism into more of a power fantasy than the way the books treat it as damnation or a symbol of being othered so it doesn't really mesh with like, my idea of VC and what I want out of it.

So Armand being a daywalker = Instant Nope From Me. I'm not interested in whatever they're trying to sell me lol.

A few other things that are NOT confirmed but generally just giving me the ick that I worry about:

I really, really, deeply, truly, hated how they wrote Claudia's character and how they wrote about rape, and that gives me a really bad feeling about how they'd potentially tackle Armand's canon background. The two options are: They don't, and he's a completely different character with a different background, with completely different context for his personality/motivations/etc (in which case who the fuck cares he's just some guy who shares a name with the book I like, and not really Armand), or: They GO THERE and it's just extremely heavy handed and insensitive and not fun to watch. I think show!Claudia maybe has more in common with Armand than book!Claudia because they aged her up to be a teenager so it's just, yikes. THEN AGAIN ARMAND IS NO LONGER A TEENAGER ON THE SHOW?

And to that point like. I don't need a bunch of fucking conservatives getting in my face about how I want to see a teenager sexualized because that's not the point; logistically for TV it makes sense that he's older, but again, it changes his backstory so much. imho, Armand being turned as a teenager and looking like a teenager is a huge element of his character! It's important! It just is! And I'm sorry that the show decided that the vampires could have sex, because they invented this problem for themselves! If they kept the canon lore you wouldn't have to see them have sex anyway LOL.

I also was not a fan of the truncated timeline of the show; season 1 takes place in like 30 years I think? And covers from the beginning of the story until Lestat's murder. And I believe Louis will meet Armand in the 1940s; they have the original interview in the 70s and they're together then, and they're together in the present in 2022. Idk I'm just not impressed; humans can get divorced after 30 years too, what's the point of having immortal characters if you're not gonna stretch out the timeline? And so much happens for Armand and Louis in canon and I have no idea what's happened or not happened on the show yet, no one's really sure which events have happened yet in the present day segments of the show. So like idk there's just a lot of Armand/Louis stuff to be smushing into 70 years lol and I'm bummed that they're rushing through the timeline so much.

So I just. Sigh. There's a lot of themes in VC that I really adore that the show doesn't care about, like being VERY OLD and NEVER SEEING THE SUN AGAIN but. I'm in the minority on this one because people love the show LOL. I'm happy for everyone who likes it, but it's not for me.

And like. Just! I knew going in that it would be the Loustat Show, I think everyone knew that, I didn't have huge expectations for Armand/Daniel content but it's such a small part of the books that like it would've been nice to get a couple scenes or some gifs out of it or whatever. It just sucks that like they SET UP the series in a way that the Devil's Minion won't happen on screen. And it sucks that like, depending how long the show runs for or how long AMC retains the rights, this might be the only chance in my lifetime that I had to see Devil's Minion on screen and it's not going to happen.

It's just a bummer man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry to anyone who likes the show lol I just found it to be like mega disappointing and I don't think I'm going to watch S2, I'm too upset about Armand & Daniel LOL.

#vampire pajama party on amc #the rolin jonestown massacre #<- these are my AMC salt tags if you need to mute or peruse for other disgruntled takes LOL #sorry guys!#adding this tag later re antonio!armand bc i didnt think of it at the time #but i saw the 94 movie directly after reading the book but before reading the rest of the series #so i didnt really notice that he was very different bc i didnt have 17 year old auburn hair botticelli angel in my mind yet #so i always had a neutral/positive feeling about antonion bc my first impression didnt make it a big deal

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hekateinhell · 5 months

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Trying so hard to think of something silly or sweet to lift the mood tonight so voila: that line in tva when Armand’s about to drink from Lestat in the chapel and notices that his hair is all messy because no one bothered to comb it

I just think that Armand should get to comb Lestat’s hair 🥹 he sits him in his lap and is so careful to not snag on any knots and you just know he does the one hundred strokes to get Lestat’s hair perfectly shiny and soft

You're so sweet, thank you 😭❤️

And yes, that's one of my all-time favorite scenes!

Armand is only one in the whole room allowed to touch him! Lestat killed anyone else who came near him and Armand doesn't even hesitate to reach out and fix his hair! Lestat saying he wanted comb Armand's curls and polish him up with kiss in MtD, but now it's Armand who's grooming him and kissing him!

I looked down on Lestat, who was unchanged, his hair fallen as before, a little over his left eye. His right arm was out, and his fingers curling upwards, and there came from him not the slightest movement, not even a breath from his lungs or a sigh from his pores.

I knelt down beside him again. I reached out, and without flinching or hesitating, I brushed his hair back from his face.

I could feel the shock in the room. I heard the sighs, the gasps from the others. But Lestat himself didn't stir.

Slowly, I brushed his hair more tenderly, and I saw to my own mute shock one of my tears fall right onto his face. ~ Armand, TVA

He should get to comb Lestat's hair always, okay? He deserves it. 🤧

#i want armand to comb his hair with a beautiful vintage comb in front of a mirror idk the image is just very appealing to me #i'm so unwell about them.#thank you you're an angel from above 🥹🫶🏼#you ask and hekate answers #vc #armand/lestat #quotes

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resplendentgoldenwings · 2 years

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Me trying to figure out what really happened after the Armand reveal and realizing that Rollin Jones may have clowned the whole damned fandom. Some of us was over here mad and god even knows what was real?

Louis never saying I love you

the level of violence

Lestat's disdain/rivalry with Claudia

unreliable narrator

the major events happened of course but how and why

idek y'all...

#iwtv #louis de pointe du lac #lestat de lioncourt #claudia de lioncourt #Armand #loustat #spoilers #idek y'all #i'm so don #we were clowned #we were played #the botteccelli angel got us #where's one of them scooby do reveal memes #i need one with lestat's face on the villain but then it turns out it's armand underneath

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bubblegum-blackwood · 11 months

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The fact that I went from being neutral/vaguely positive about Marius/Armand but not giving it that much thought to pumping out like between 1000-3000 words worth of fic a day for them in literally one day and an impulsive spite decision is hilarious to me

Maybe after kink week and Marius/Armand week I can force myself to take a lil break, but I'm having so many ideas rn and y'all Marius/Armand freaks are gonna be so well-fed by the end of July

#in a matter of a few hours i went from passively shipping marius/armand in the bg to devoting an entire series to them #i did want to continue angel of music but that's currently on hold so i can write a DIFFERENT college au for marius/armand week lmao #i'm going OFF i am LIVING my head is full of nothing but Them #i haven't been this productive writing-wise in like a year #vc #armand #marius de romanus #marius/armand

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vega-international · 6 months

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i literally cant say anything without spoiling the show just watch it Im not crazy tho.

i polled my friends who have seen the terror on this and i’m getting some mixed messages here

ok edit i will probably watch this eventually just bc so many people i know love it but i need you to know this is the most frightening looking englishman i have ever laid eyes on.

#asks #like from what i’m gathering hickey is a crazy ass who loves eating people #i mean armand eats people and all but he also has so much religious trauma it constitutes as a brain injury #like he tells louis that he’s evil with infinite gradations and without guilt but i mean immediately concluding he is nothing but bad #despite being obsessed with like god and angels and goodness...like #do you get what i mean here

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nightcolorz · 1 year

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Just so y’all know Memory from the Cats musical is Armand’s theme song in my head because when I first got to know him in iwtv his descriptions of the “love” he held for his “maker” triggered that song to the front of my brain. And now that I’m throughly familiarized with Armand and his backstory, etc Memory has just fully solidified in my mind as his song and I can’t listen to it without getting the zoomies over my blorbo

#A contender is angel of the morning by juice newton #And then brand new city by mitski #But memory is number one since it came first chronologically in my armand journey lmao #Every time I post about the specific song and media connections I make they never get much traction but I will continue to do so #90% of brain is just songs and why they remind me of my blorbos so really I’m holding back #armand vc #armand iwtv #vampire armand #armand #the vampire chronciles #vampire chronicles #vc

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dul4c · 6 months

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thinking about louis and religion. louis, who wanted to d.ie after his brother’s death, who still wanted to d.ie after getting turned into a vampire. this poor man needs therapy and medication there’s too many layers to sift through to help

#tw / death mention #ooc.#okay hi it’s almost 2 am gn my loves #i need to read more iwtv later but #im so tempted to buy armand’s book some time too #in the book louis pretended to be an angel just so babette would help them get to new orleans :(#louis and his tie to religion.. even as an undead

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troonwolf · 2 years

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the Christ-following vampires have Catholic guilt and the pagan vampires are either completely chill or have god complexes and the one Muslim vampire (Benji is Muslim I’m pretty sure?) thinks everything is awesome and is like “praise God I am a vampire <3″ so what about the Jewish vampires??

#I haven't seen any Jewish people in TVC get turned into a vampire yet I don't think #benji is a little king #sometimes you pray so hard for god to send a demon to kill your friend's abusive brother and it just works #and you absolutely do not question this #like why would you?#it's exactly what you asked for #armand: I'm not a demon or angel I'm just a vampire #benji: same difference honestly #O AND THEN ARMAND ASKS HIM TO BRING ABAD MAN TO KILL AND HE BRINGS A COP #I love Benjii

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thefairylights · 14 days

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I never cried from laughing as hard as I did when this moment happened because it was when I really felt the wattpad fic that Armand was writing and narrating to my best friend Daniel.

SURE, ARMAND. Whatever you say, angel. You were so worried about Nicki’s feelings if he saw lmfaooooooooooooooooo Armand thinks we are all stupid and it’s hilarious.

Waiting for the wattpad sequel!

#interview with the vampire #lesmand #armandstat #lestat de lioncourt #armand iwtv #sam reid #assad zaman #iwtv spoilers #spoilers #drafts

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