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Boy who has the mood swings disorder: why do i have so many mood swings :/
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[Helen/Paris] and [Odysseus/Calypso(and/or)Circe] similarities
I shouldn't have actually written this down? Probably. Am I still gonna do it anyways? Yeah. 8 years in the Trojan Cycle thingy and people are still discussing the interactions between this characters, damn, I thought it was clear enough.
Anyways. Onto the similarities and why I keep thinking until this day that both Helen and Odysseus were held captives. It's a short essay, since i'm just dumping my thoughts and other people's thoughts after seeing the ammount of bullshit that goes around here.
Were you kidnapped or seduced?
Agh, jeez.
So can we, you know, start from the part that it's Aphrodite the one who does literally everything? DO NOT demonize Aphrodite, this IS NOT what i'm telling you to do.
She had to do her part of the deal, that's why she gave Helen to Paris as a prize for choosing her. She's a goddess, we know how this works.
The thing is... Okay, Aphrodite forced everything since she promised it to Paris, but was Helen okay with this?
*checks notes* so Gorgias, a sophist philosopher (oh that explains why people never talk about him) said "but if Helen was raped by violence and illegally assaulted and unjustly insulted, it is clear that the raper, as the insulter, did the wronging, and the raped, as the insulted, did the suffering." ... Well, that's interesting.
I mean sure, we can EVEN still think that somehow she was seduced or whatever, but then in the Iliad, when Aphrodite tells her to go and comfort Paris, she refuses and fights with her. Helen literally fought with a goddess, explaining that she did not want to go with Paris.
But Aphrodite is a goddess, you cannot question the will of the gods, they're GODS for a reason. So she goes in the end, with fear.
(We even have... Whatever the hell Euripides' tragedies where. Since according to him, Helen was never in Troy, instead it was an ilussion made by Aphrodite, the real Helen was in Egypt. psjdksjfkd what. I kind of like it tbh, it's fun. But since Helen says in the Iliad that she's been 20 years in Troy already, that version just doesn't feel right. ANYWAYS-)
... Wait, 20 years? Why does that sound familiar? Ah, right, the other member of this essay. Odysseus.
Helen was kept against her will in Troy for 20 years, just like Odysseus was away from Ithaka for 20 years. Dude !!
I'll go with Calypso first since people defend her less than Circe (kind of) SO, you know the deal with translators acting as anything except translations? I believe that might have been the problem, at least in English, I don't recall an Spanish translation saying that he stayed with her for 7 years because he wanted too, lmao.
I myself haven't reach that far in my degree to translate the Odyssey nor the Iliad, but I still have copies of them in the original Greek. So you see, there's some small things that I have enough level to understand and translate by myself and realize how blind we all are.
Did he want to?
You know the whole deal with people not giving words from other languages the proper definition? In this passage of the Odyssey, the word used when saying that Odysseus "slept" with Calypso was anágke (ἀνάγκῃ). Which means, HEAR ME OUT, force, it means FORCE. And this next thing is more me being risky because as I said, I'm not that far in terms of translation levels, but in the text, it's in dative, the dative is used, in a simple definition, for denote the person or object affected.
He stayed with Calypso BY FORCE !! Shock. Wow. And I mean, he literally cries everyday because his only way to cope with the fact that he's trapped is by thinking about Penelope and Ithaka while crying looking at the sea. How can you see him staying willingly being like that? And the "he just left because he got tired of her" ... So you're saying that (trying to have the most mysognistic way of thinking ever) he got tired of an inmortal gorgeous nymph who would not age? You're telling me he preferred to leave, even if it was risky, than staying in an island that was considered a paradise? Yeah, no, sorry, not buying it. HIS ASS DID NOT WANT TO BE THERE, just like how Helen did not want to be in Troy. Move on. And now and quickly because the more I talk about this topic the more tired I grow out of Circe...
Odysseus just... Never says that he wants to? That he's fine with it? He literally just saw a sorceress trap his men and planning on killing them, so what was he gonna do against that? Hermes to the rescue... More or less ! He pretty much just told him to obey what he was told to, and that if he wanted to save his men from Circe, he had to do what she asked him too, after making her swear she wasn't gonna hurt them. So what gives, you're told BY THE GODS that you have to stay there for a little while if you want to keep your men safe and convince Circe of showing you your way out of the island.
Remember? Helen did what Aphrodite told her to because you can't question the will of the gods, same goes with Odysseus and Hermes. You do what they tell you to do because they're gods... And, I mean, Circe is Helios' daughter. Do you really think you could hurt the daughter of the Sun and move away with it? No. Just look at what happened with the cows !
And now, a nice similarity to end this.
In the Odyssey, it is clearly stated that Menelaus and Helen are FINE. They still love and care for eachother, they're still husband and wife. If you truly believe Menelaus didn't believe Helen... Then read the Odyssey?
20 years appart they were, following what Helen said in the Iliad, just how Penelope and Odysseus were 20 years appart and they still loved eachother and recognized their tricks despite the time.
Both Helen and Odysseus were trapped by people who had power over them, they couldn't do anything to be freed from them unless the will of the gods stated otherwise.
So, if after this you keep believing that Helen didn't love Menelaus anymore and that she's the culprit of the Trojan War; and that Odysseus didn't care for Penelope at all and he stayed with Circe and Calypso because he wanted too... Maybe you should start wearing glasses, since apparently you can't read well?
#sigh. whatever#if you want to keep believing that they did not care for their partners then... you do you#but not only they loved them dearly. they're also victims of kidnapping or SA#so. yeah. perhaps you should work better your reading comprehension#i literally understood this better as a 12 year old than many people with their DAMN adult asses nowadays#anyways. tagging time#essay#helen#odysseus#paris#circe#calypso#similarities#the odyssey#the iliad#the trojan war
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society if i could write the forest with its teeth
#society if i could write tbh#i think i need to make peace with the fact mot everything in this story can be a Big Reveal#i have to trust the story works without the Big Reveals#affirmation voice a good story works even if you know the plot twist#still doesn't solve how i want to format this but 👍#i Love multimedia formatting but part of me also wants to novelise this proper. even if that would be a bit more difficult#omniscient narrator is the best call but that is such a cheap trick to keep the ~mystery~#sigh. whatever#pia.txt
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Sasaki’s English voice actor is going to be at a con relatively near me and it is at times like these I hate being so materialistic. I want a stupid little autograph so bad. And all it’s gonna do is sit on my stupid little shelf. But I WANT IT… hatred and rage
#really hoping he’ll also be doing a panel/q&a#that schedule hasn’t been released though#but if he does that’ll really make the trip worth it#but anyways. I hate liking to own so many little objects#it’s also EMBARASSING#everybodies gonna think I’m a fujoshi#sigh. whatever#Mr. Kellen Goff voice actor of sasaki i promise im normal about them#well. actually I’m just weird about them in different ways#but WHATEVER! it’ll make me happy#sunnfish.jrnl#to the void#one day I’ll get rid of worldly desire. today is not it though
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I just wanna hold someone's hand and go for a walk along the Cumberland, is that too much to ask?
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you know what my trouble is? im an absent-minded head in the clouds philosophical weirdo type who's meant to be the embarassing middle child of an affluent rich family. the eldest is doing a doctorate & preparing to take over the family estate and the youngest is making the news for charity work and ive just turned down the 17th suitor this year. bizarre artist type who throws insane parties but mostly just watches them from the balcony and has way more sex than is socially appropriate. but instead im living in 2024 usa struggling to keep a job
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saying that the "niche yaoi ship" (which could be three different ships, just off the top of my head) was "nonexistent" before the anime airing is misleading because it's jsut straight up not true - people pointed out potential subtext with chilchuck being (physically?) attracted to senshi, labru has Been a thing for Reasons, and kabru/mithril really took off towards the end of the manga faaaar before the anime actually began airing.
likewise its disingenuous to pretend like farcille has a lot of subtext, or that what subtext we get is strong enough to make up for the lack of it. in fact any and all ship subtext we get at all is pretty minute; most of it (even farcille) is powered through fans wanting their ships, which is something we have to admit, because dungeon meshi at the end of the day isn't about ships/romance.
that being said it's really Interesting to me how the niche mlm ships that are there but don't take center stage, especially not compared to farcille - considering how the latter half of the manga's conflict towards its resolution is carried by marcille's extremely strong grief and longing to get falin back - blew up just as the anime has taken off.
especially because even the nicher MLM ships don't have much to go off of. farcille doesn't have a loooot of subtext but it's there, you can see it in bits and pieces. but senshi isn't a romantic candidate, like, Ever. neither is chilchuck (dude is a wifeguy, im sorry, he's a wifeguy and thats undeniable). laios never really returns any of kabru's "affections," though they're not enemies, they're not necessarily friends; mithril and kabru are incredibly wary of each other for most of the time they spend together on screen. that's not to say you can't pull any ship material out of that, but you have to compare all of this to what we see between falin and marcille: marcille engages in forbidden witchcraft to bring her friend back; marcille and falin have known each other for years, and have a close, steady, grounded friendship; they are very physically and emotionally affectionate with each other, as we see in the scenes after falin is resurrected. there's even the more Spoiler-y scenes to consider, like marcille's nightmare (the doll she's clutching!) or the DM arc (!!!) that provides us with a lot of subtext the other characters just dont get.
its almost like - and stop me if you think i'm going too far - people are more willing to brush off WLW ships over MLM ones. but that would be crazy, right?
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honestly the thing that still really baffles me about aa5’s just godawful writing is the fact that like. it was written by the same dude who wrote investigations 2 which i absolutely stand by is the best written game in the series (tgaa / prof layton crossover not withstanding given that i havent played those yet). like . WHAT HAPPENED HERE ?????????????????????
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the hell that is having a containment breach in a tag I muted because i cant possibly expect everyone to tag every post of this specific thing i dont wanna see when im the bitch who follows them and its not something i exceptionally hate (and DEF not enough to unfollow someone for) but its annoying to see and i have very few ways to avoid it
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Bisexual lighting . I hate this
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I simply think that snoring is the single worst adaptation the human body has devised
#i have earplugs in AND white noise blasting and i can still hear him downstairs. awful. sir please turn over in your sleep im begging#i cant sleep if i can hear snoring so who knows when ill finally pass out tonight#sigh. whatever
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this is so so embarrassing but does anyone remember when i got so fucking hyperfixated on xdnf like a 2 years ago. yeah i found an old sketchbook and its the only sketchbook i've actually finished and a solid third of it is literally just xdnf. i was fucking insane i literally drew them all the time. i wrote a 27 page fanfic about them for a project during that time. i was in hell
#THEY WERE BASICALLY OCS TO ME IS THE THING#DRISTA AND XD AND GNF GAVE NOTHINGGG IN CANON#IT WAS LIKE 90% ME#Sigh. Whatever#tw dream mention
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gcw going to germany (the closest i would ever get to seeing them) later this month and ofc as a mock to me not being able to go cause im broke as fucking shit they are putting on franscesco akira vs jordan oliver, my two smol blorbos :')
fucking kill me :')))
#i hate being broke so fucking much#im missing out on everything. im so useless. fuck my life#no nice things for me ever#and yes im aware i was in london just few weeks back but im upset and selfish and stupid and whiny and what have you#sigh. whatever#what the fucking ever#wrestling musing
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on one hand, dracula is a great book that geniunely has me on the edge of my seat. on the other, the misoginy makes me cringe internally every three minutes
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Snarls and growls
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need to get dressed up way too formal and get fucked. whatever
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