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hopefull-mindset · 8 months

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How do you feel about the difference in Nagito's confession in Japanese and English?

In Japanese he kinda pauses saying something along the lines of 'in love with y...' before going on about hope inside.

But in English it's straight to loving the hope in Hajime.

I was hoping I’d be able to talk about this! If anyone needs a further explanation on the translation error, I recommend reading this first. It’s my favorite explanation because it deconstructs the Japanese to English process thoroughly, and the ambiguity of the whole thing really explains why Hajime was so confused. I’ve seen doubt as to fan translations being right at all, so I hope this helps out.

Now there isn’t many new things to say about a game this old with a large fanbase like this, but with new fans means more information to be spread (and misinformation respectively), so I’d be happy to speak!

UMMM I have no idea if anything I said down below is even what you were asking me, maybe you were just asking me about the decision of changing it, which um I don’t blame the official translators for going straight into it because it’s a fairly ambiguous line and most japanese fans go straight into it too when they qoute it, but official translators are not credible for their care of finer details that could be clearly translated into English, so it’s whatever I guess. Japanese fans also shouldn’t be our guide to consuming media of their language since they’re also just people, and I think it’s probably just easier to quote it like that without it sounding confusing the way it does in text.

This has been practically common knowledge by now to know that it was an aborted love confession, meaning there isn’t much to be said on its own. With all that’s been spread about this, a common misunderstanding is with the use of “Aishiteru” (愛してる) being “more romantic” than any other form of “I like/love you” (Suki/Daisuki), which is not true. It’s much more intense than the other two because of it directly using “Ai” (愛) and in turn used less compared to them because of its intensity. In same line of thinking, usually it’s reserved for serious occasions like marriage, a loved one on their death bed, a final goodbye for someone you care for deeply, etc. but none of it makes it anymore romantic because all three can be used platonically. It’s solely dependent on the context it’s used for.

It’s just like how we use “I love you” in English and how many things it could mean at once, albeit we don’t have three separate ways to express it. Well there’s actually more ways to express love, but you only really need to know these three. I know a lot of sources tend to say “Aishiteru” (愛してる) is romantic, but that’s most likely because you’re looking at sources that are talking about it in a romantic context. It’s not platonic in the sense that you’d go up to your friend and say it, that sends a lot of mixed messages and real odd to attempt, but platonic in that someone you truly have a deep connection with, family member or otherwise.

On the contrary, it’s much more common to use Suki/Daisuki (好き / 大好き) in a love confession and everyday life. Usually you wouldn’t even use “Aishiteru” (愛してる) in your entire life, that isn’t uncommon. So typically the most you’ll see or hear “Aishiteru” (愛してる) used is in fictional japanese media or songs. Using it in a confession like Komaeda almost did is like… imagine going up to someone and telling them that you want to spend your entire life together, meet their parents, fully commit to each other, raise children (if that’s what you want), and die together before you’re even in the relationship or even had your first kiss yet. Like obviously you’re not saying all of that, you might not even mean that, but it’s implied with the intensity of it. It’s that extreme and would definitely confuse someone if you tried. It’s not exactly for someone you just started dating either.

Why does “Ai” (愛) make it so intense though? Compared to other ways of saying love like “Koi” (恋) for example (not gonna explain that one), it’s the purest, most heightened form of expressing love verbally in japanese culture because of the giving and profound nature of it. It’s loving in a way that encases a warm feeling all around you, so painfully genuine yet committed. Its something that’s formed over time with much care, and doesn’t ask for anything back. It’s that big to use, but siamotainously it’s awkward and a little embarrassing to use because it’s practically unsaid irl. There is a lot to personal reservations and such, but as a culture, japan is more reserved with their verbal expressions. This doesn’t speak for the entire country, but just in general actions speak louder than something as literal like “Aishiteru” (愛してる).

I had to go over that before I talked about Komaeda because I don’t want there to be a misunderstanding with what I’m about to say. Sorry to break the news to anymore who was star-eyed after learning what “Ai” (愛) meant in context, but the reason I went over that first with extensive context is because Komaeda is not at all liberated when he uses it. Not only does he use it here in the infamous error of all errors in sdr2, he uses it when he talks about hope, talent, and Junko. Shocking I know, but that’s why I had to go over that “Ai” (愛) is not just romantic love so this will be less awkward for all of us.

Ignoring the oddness of it and how dramatic this usage is, it’s incredibly in-character for Komaeda to use it like that considering his sincere and devoted nature when it comes to hope and talent. He says himself that what he feels is selfless, so that’s going to reflect in his speech, but he uses it so casually that it feels like a joke. It’s a quite poetic expression of love, even with all the cultural context, so it’s fitting. He’s pretty no filter with how he talks about it, but with anything else with Komaeda—it’s more complex than that. While being 100% honest with everything he says, his deep connection with hope and talent is borderline obsessive and that brings into question his relationship with love.

I have many thoughts on how his hope/despair stuff works, but let’s stay on topic this one time because a lot is intertwined. With his usage of “Ai” (愛) with reference of Junko, we should all know he doesn’t love her. He doesn’t love the embodiment of despair and despises it in the same breath he even expressed love for it at all. What he feels for Junko is obsession through and through, but what he feels is still genuine connection, it’s just absurdly twisted. It’s why he still uses it, even though at most what he feels for her is contempt. He “loves” it because it’ll be destroyed for what will truly shine in the end. The connection is deep enough for him to take her hand and finally become one with it.

Junko didn’t twist his concept of love completely, it was already a little off, she exploited the potential of it. I’ve mentioned this point before in my twitter thread, but when faced with the motivations in trials 1, 2, and 3 he cannot see past their motivations other than their “hopes”, rather than their actual reasons: various forms of love. My immediate thought while writing was, “was it not really absolute hope that he needed or wanted, but instead the selfless love people like Naegi or Hajime could wield for others?” I can’t tell you how correct that is, but it holds close to when he said what he wanted was somebody’s love before he died.

To really talk about that with more depth, I’d have to do a separate post about his view of people in general. If you’d like to see that, just let me know. I really would like to stay on topic, and you weren’t exactly asking about that.

Now don’t be weird guys, it doesn’t make his confession any less genuine just because his concept of love is kinda fucked due to only being able to feel it through his obsession with hope since all genuine connection is very limited (non-existent) for him, it just puts into more context as to why Hajime was confused. He’s said something similar about his feelings of hope as early as chapter 1.

Does this mean he really did just meant the hope that sleeps inside Hajime? Well obviously not, otherwise I wouldn’t be talking about this. It also doesn’t mean that his love for Hajime is on the same obsessive level as Hope, talent, or freaking Junko for the matter. Junko was a whole other situation when his mental stability was at its worst. Here’s what actually happened: right when he admitted he wanted somebody’s love, he immediately backpedaled that claiming everything he said was just something he lied about because he started to see that Hajime might want to grow closer and forgive him, and then then started rambling about total bullshit about Hajime killing him and the potential hope in him, even though he just said that he didn’t get the same feeling from him as other ultimates.

Very funny Komaeda, though I don’t think he wasn’t being genuine there. Maybe he did think that regardless of the “both miserable bystanders” comment because he also thought he himself could be ultimate hope in chapter 5. I feel like we knew this part well enough, so I’ll talk about the confession finally. I don’t know what compelled him to try and confess like that, but maybe he was trying to be more honest after what he did to derail him and backtracked again? Who knows.

He was starting with an actual confession, but why did he backtrack the way he did? I have two potential answers. First answer was that he didn’t want to weigh Hajime down with the burden of his feelings, and made it sound like his typical Komaeda bullshit instead. Second answer is that Komaeda doesn’t know how to express his love for Hajime and derailed it to Hajime’s hope instead because that’s the only context he’s used “Ai” (愛) in and is used to that. Him using it here doesn’t make it less sincere in his almost-confession, it’s just… complex.

Maybe if this was his only hint of loving Hajime, his feelings for him would be more controversial as “canon”, thankfully it isn’t! Maybe both answers are right in their own right, it would definitely correlate with my own thoughts about his stupidly complicated justification’s for getting closer to Hajime and making excuses for him. If you haven’t read it, I said that while Komaeda was catching feelings for Hajime as an individual, he made excuses for himself that the reason he cared for him was because he was an ultimate (meaning someone who carried potential Hope), but the only reason he let himself be close to a “supposed ultimate” was because we felt that they were similar and that he had “an air unlike the others”. Which was probably why he was so confused as to why he still cared after finding out what he did in chapter 4 because his justification no longer worked.

Although we know that Komaeda absolutely does love Hajime, I am relieved that they used different expressions of love here (both Suki and Dasuki) to make sure we know he does love him. Can it be used platonically? Sure, but the context does not position it like that.

That’s my um opinion I guess?? Hope you got more than what you were expecting? I wonder why I keep making long posts when it’s not going to get that much attention…. I was originally going to say that what’s important about him using “Ai” (愛) is the genuine intent there and not the romantic implication of it since context matters more, and that hasn’t changed at all, but this turned into a completely different conversation. My bad.

#danganronpa #sdr2 #hajime hinata #komahina #nagito komaeda #komaeda nagito #hinata hajime #sdr2 meta #sdr2 analysis #why is it when Komaeda is faced with genuine love for someone #he just has no idea what to think of it??#maybe part of the reason he never minded being alone before he died is because he always had hope to rely on to be his only true connection #okay i’m done

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metamatronic · 2 years

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Hiro can’t see the ghosts, but he’s a bit more attuned to their presence and notices when they manage to mess with the world around them.

Chiaki gets to stay. I like her too much not to incorporate her into the AU.

For those who watched my SDR2 playthrough a while back, they know I wasn’t the biggest Mikan fan. I used her lackluster execution to write her out of the AU (no one bothered to go look for her after she was launched away)

After seeing the ending though, it’s not fair to assume that Mr. I-Had-My-Entire-Personality-Erased can recover from being Ultimate Despair and Mikan couldn’t. So we’ll say that she’s trying to relearn hope and kindness through her friends (let’s get the twilight syndrome murder case gang back together!), though she’s still a little despair-inducing at times.

I have to add the Monokubs, otherwise I could justify adding Kiibo if he dies. That being said, Mukuro has secretly been stashing them away along with The World’s Most Wanted War Criminal, who she has tied up in a secret location.

That being said, someone might have followed Mukuro and now knows where Junko is. :)

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imaginarylungfish · 6 months

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link click season 2 thoughts

so, i started watching Link Click on monday and, within the week, just finished watching the last episode of season 2. and wow, what an amazing donghua! i honestly had no idea what i was getting myself into when chose to turn on this show after work that night. but damn, what a wild ride!

alright, now for my thoughts on the big questions season 2 left us with. namely, i think CXS was supposed to die (ie. died in the main timeline) during the stabbing incident in s1e12/s2e1.

this is what we see in s2e1 after LG was stabbed:

during these "flashback" scenes, LG thinks, "i'm sorry, everything is going to be different now." the viewers don't know about LG diving back at this point in the season, so these "flashback" scenes and those words don't' have much context. however, with the knowledge we now have about LG diving back to try to save CXS, these things have much more meaning.

why would we see CXS' blood on LG's hand, see LG looking at CXS in his arms, or hear LG think things are different now unless LG changed this specific part of the past so he got stabbed instead of CXS?

in s2e12, we see these "flashback" scenes again* (through what QL sees as LG's memories through XiXi's perspective), with added details:

*while QL is thinking "how is that possible? did he [LG] actually see CXS die?"

while the camera focuses on LG's bloodied hand, we now see CXS lying in the background (presumedly dead). and if we notice what LG and CXS are wearing in these "flashback" scenes...

it's the same as what they were wearing during the stabbing incident in s1e12/s2e1:

plus, LG is wearing the same thing in the scene where he decides to break his own rule and dive back to save CXS:

that means LG is wearing the same thing in the stabbing incident, "flashback" scene, and dive scene. so, connecting the dots, it seems like CXS was originally supposed to die during the stabbing incident. and immediately after the stabbing incident (with CXS' blood still on his clothing), LG dove back in time to try to save CXS.

and why could LG even dive back to try to save CXS when that's not his original power? i think it's because a person's power is transferred to the person touching them when they die (as seen in XiXi's transfer of power to QL when XiXi dies):

before moving on, i want to address that, at first, i thought CXS might have died (in the main timeline) after the gunshot wound in s2e12 and LG dove back immediately after that. but LG is wearing something different during the gun scene than the dive scene:

therefore, LG seems to have dove back after the stabbing incident. but where did he dive back to? he says he is going "back to the beginning" in the dive scene. but we aren't really given any clues to when that is. all i understand is that LG somehow dove back to a certain time before the stabbing incident, so that he was stabbed instead of CXS (therefore saving that timeline's CXS from dying).

if my theory is correct, this means the LG we see in the gun scene is the LG who has already dove back to try to save CXS. so, when LG screams in agony and immediately attacks QJ in a frenzied rage upon seeing CXS get shot, it's not only because he thought CXS was fatally wounded but because LG thought he lost CXS again.

and i think this LG assumes CXS will die. why? because during the dive scene, LG says "i know that death is an unchangeable point" (yet he resolves to try to save CXS anyway). therefore, LG recognizes CXS will eventually die, and he recognizes he's just prolonging the inevitable (by prolonging CXS' life). LG just doesn't know when CXS will die (which, again, is why LG was so distraught seeing CXS get shot).

so now at the end of s2e12 we see CXS alive. this CXS is the one that LG saved from the main timeline (because in the main timeline, CXS is dead from the stabbing incident).

but is LG just constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop? for CXS to eventually die because death is not something they (or anyone else) can change? maybe we will get the answers to some of these questions in season 3. in the meantime, feel free to speculate with me!

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shelbyroundthemountain · 8 months

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I don’t think Hajime and izuru were ever different people, really. I think Hajime was already prone to moodiness and being at bit morose. When we see him at the beginning of D3 he’s already struggling with apathy and boredom. It’s only once he meets Chiaki that he finds some inspiration. And Hajime/Izuru both seem to believe that talent makes you important. It just happens that belief fuels Hajime’s self loathing and Izuru’s god complex. I think Hajime’s attachment to Chiaki, his classmates, and the world as a whole was the only thing keeping him from being a constantly sighing uncaring asshole, so when they took his memories that’s what he became. I think once he wakes up and remembers he can feel again, but I think it’s all muted.

#basically I’m diagnosing Hajime with depression srry bud #hajime hinata #hinata hajime #izuru kamakura #kamakura izuru #danganronpa #danganronpa sdr2 #danganronpa 3 #danganronpa meta #his depression makes him apathetic and mutes everything #without anyone memories he gives in to that apathy completely #hi here’s my Ted talk about how Despair is a metaphor for letting depression control your life #despair is when you give into your most toxic and destructive urges #for Hajime it was apathy and they took away his defense

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danggirlronpa · 5 months

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Hiii. First off, I'm so sorry if this is annoying, but I. Have a lot of Nanamiki thoughts and thought you might like them? I was talking with a friend about them (he hasn't played danganronpa so he doesn't really know them but he was still super nice and listened to me ramble) and I realized that you may be interested in what I had to say about them?

First off, I think nanamiki is a lot more complex than what a lot of people make it out to be, in my opinion. She ship was first popularized by the optional scene in SDR2 where Chiaki and Mikan play video games together. It's a very cute scene, and I urge anyone who hasn't seen it to look it up, because it makes it clear that Mikan and Chiaki are friends, or at least have the potential to be friends, and the relationship is very positive and sweet on Chiaki's side. Nanamiki as a pairing got very popular in the komahina fandom back before DR3 came out (I can only really attest for about a year before DR3 came out, but this was very much the vibe I got) as a pairing to get Chiaki out of the way of komahina. Back before DR3, I saw a lot of double date fics with the two couples, and a lot of Komahina fics where they were a side pairing. They were, for the most part, regulated to "lesbian best friends of komahina", which, nowadays, ever since DR3, has seemed to be replaced with Soniaki and sometimes Tsumioda instead. Now, I like Soniaki, and I don't have anything against people who ship Tsumioda (even if it's not personally my cup of tea), but as a Nanamiki lover, I have noticed a fandom shift to favoring these ships just from my own observations. Which, good for people who like those ships! I just can't help but look back longingly on the Era where nanamiki was the standard wlw ship - even if that Era was rife with issues.

Even back then, you would be hard pressed to find any work that explored Nanamiki in depth that wasn't a one shot - and most if those one shots were plotless or near plotless fluff. This, to some degree, makes sense. Nanamiki's origin *was* plotless fluff - it was Chiaki showing Mikan a fun game and teaching her how to play. That's what the whole scene was, and that scene is the ships origin point. On works that did focus on nanamiki in depth, there was an emphasis on Chiaki comforting Mikan, which also makes sense, as that scene was Chiaki reaching out and being nice to Mikan. When I was young/a teenager, I also wrote fics similar- with Chiaki reaching out to Mikan, and helping her overcome her trauma.

However, now that I'm older, I look back on what a lot of these fics were (including my own), and I find myself somewhat discontent with the state of them. I feel a lot of these works fall into woobifying Mikan, and having Chiaki putting all the work and effort into "fixing" Mikan and her life. Oftentimes, there's no discussion about Chiaki's wants or needs, and those go unaddressed. It doesn't feel balanced, like a give and take dynamic, but instead like Chiaki is putting so much into the relationship and getting none of her needs met. A lot of times, there's not even fleshed out reasons why Chiaki would be dating Mikan - what she gets out of it, not just what she provides. Now, arguably, this is because most stories involving them are one shots - there just isn't time to explore both of them in depth, and its only a snapshot of their relationship. But even with that, there is an overabundance of Chiaki taking care of Mikan with oftentimes little to no indication that she does the same. I think this is partially because a lot of people are primed to see relationships as "what can this person do for me?" and not "what can we do for each other?" A lot of times, the dynamics aren't mutual and balanced. To be fair, life is messy in real life - sometimes one person is going to be putting in more work than the other one at the moment, but usually that is a temporary situation—and when they can, they reciprocate later. Relationships have their ups and downs. But I can't help but wish that we saw a more balanced dynamic between the two in fics, at least the fluffy ones.

But while I do acknowledge that the ship has fluffy origins, I am desperate for non-fluffy content. I think only having fluffy stuff does a disservice to the relationship - especially for Mikan. Mikan, in my opinion, is a very messy, traumatized person, and I don't like how a lot of people candy coat this in an attempt to write really fluffy relationship stuff (not just aimed at nanamiki works). Her trauma wouldn't just go away after getting in a relationship, and a relationship wouldn't just fix all her problems, either. Reducing her down to "crybaby who just needs love" misses the point of her character - while it's true she needs support, she can't just survive on one person, one relationship alone. She needs a support system, not (just) a girlfriend. In my opinion, Mikan would be a disaster in a relationship - and not just in a cute, insecure, shy way. Mikan has a lot of feelings and she feels them very violently, including love - she gets obsessive, is a chronic people pleaser, and threatens to break Hajime's legs in her island mode. Her whole motive for being a nurse is because she likes the power it gives her over her patients. This characterization, that she's a poor little baby who did nothing wrong and just needs real love to heal her, is a disservice to her character.

I want to see Mikan being complicated. I want to see her having maladaptive and unhealthy coping mechanisms. I want her to be messy. That's what I love about her character- that she is a deeply, truly traumatized person who is sometimes awful and sometimes a wreck of a person, but despite that, she's a victim. Despite that, she deserve to heal - or maybe because of that. Mikan is very much informed by her trauma, in a very unhealthy way, but she is still, ultimately, a person who needed help and didn't get it. She is a person society failed.

She didn't just need a lover. She needed a support system, she needed people to constantly stand up for her, constantly love her, support her—she needed people to not hurt her in the first place.

Sorry, I got pretty passionate about that. My point is, I wish there was more complicated Nanamiki - Nanamiki that addresses Chiaki's needs, Nanamiki that addresses Mikan's dark sides, Nanamiki that is complicated and messy.

I think, too, that DR3 (while having a lot of things I didn't like) had a compelling idea for Nanamiki (if I'm remembering right). Before Mikan pushes Chiaki into the hallway Chisa finds her, if I'm remembering right, Mikan talks about how everyone loves and admires Chiaki... and to me, she sounds jealous. Now that. That is interesting to me. I find that SO compelling - the idea that Mikan sees herself in Chiaki, and it infuriates her, because everyone loves and adores Chiaki and she feels like no one feels the same for her. Now, I have extrapolated a lot of feelings on Mikan's side from that short interaction, and maybe that's not the intent of canon, but honestly? I really like what I've extrapolated. With that in mind, there's even more you could headcanon about Mikan and Chiaki and their state of their relationship during the despair arc: Chiaki acts like she loves Mikan, but Mikan can't believe that, how could someone so loved like Chiaki love her? Maybe she even wants to test that love, test the limits of it, behave badly or hurt her to prove to herself that Chiaki never *really* loved her in the first place, that her "forgiveness" was fragile. (Think similar to the dynamic of dogbird by maddy, I guess?) Maybe she's jealous, so bitterly jealous, that people love Chiaki and no one loves her. Maybe she's secretly angry that Chiaki can get along with Hiyoko so well when she bullies her, and she's angry at herself for being angry, because isn't what Hiyoko does to her what she deserves? And yet Chiaki says she doesn't deserve that, yet at the same time is friends with someone who treats her like that... she's confused and hurt and internalizing all of it. I could go on.

I think, in DR3, it was a real missed opportunity to have the remnants turn on Chiaki slowly instead of being brainwashed. In a hypothetical AU, instead of being brainwashed, Junko turns them against her, or calls to question her love, makes them doubt her - and maybe that's not enough to get them to turn on her fully, but when she proposes a "test" of her hope in the form of a murder maze, they agree (Nagito first because he's all about testing hope and has faith in Chiaki, Mikan second because of her devotion to Junko—or reverse order, I'm not picky—and then everyone else reluctantly following). That isn't canon by any means, but it's the AU I tend to go with when I keep human Chiaki in my fanfic.

In that situation, Mikan becomes like a Judas figure. Actually, lower one's eyes (specifically trickles cover) portrays what I imagine Mikan would feel perfectly. Another song that really fits Nanamiki (imo) is lacy by Olivia Rodrigo. It talks about jealousy over and attraction to a girl you think is so perfect, which I think fits Mikan's side of this perfectly.

Even without the AU I made up, I think DR3 adds a layer of tragicness to nanamiki I don't see explored a lot! Which is sad. I mean, getting brainwashed to send your girlfriend to her death is prime angst potential. I would love even that to be explored (despite how I'm usually not a big fan of the brainwashing video in general). I want more angsty, doomed nanamiki. Even now, most stories are one shots focusing fluff, or ones where they woobify Mikan, or ones where the dynamic is unbalanced between Mikan and Chiaki, and in those fanfics, they hardly ever explore Chiaki. Which is so sad to me. All the multichapter fics I've seen only have nanamiki as a side pairing, too. I love Nanamiki (it might be my favorite DR f/f pairing ever!) and I would love for people to explore more sides of it!

Sorry for the long ask. I just have So Many Nanamiki thoughts.

As someone who wasn't around the fandom in 2013-era, this is SUCH an interesting read. It aligns with a lot of what I've rediscovered searching through for old art, especially searching for Nanamiki works.

I don't really have anything to add, which I hope is okay - this is just really cool on its own, and I don't have anything to add to it other than "YEAH!! YEAH"

#asks #anon #one of those that i sit on for a while because i want to say something smart but in the end im like. nope. not smart enough #gotta throw in the towel. you won this one anon. youre the smart one #talk to the mod #nanamiki #meta #mikan tsumiki #chiaki nanami #sdr2

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shslpookiebear · 3 months

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as much as i love soniakane for its seeming simplicity of two girls who find each other and fall in love the reality is that for me this ship is so much more and serves to emphasize the themes of sdr2 while additionally serving as an example of how trauma can guide people who otherwise would have opposite lives together.

one of the themes of dr as a whole is coping with the loss of a loved one-- however, within sdr2 its especially heightened with numerous characters experiencing earth shattering loses which alter their characters. fuyuhiko loosing peko, hiyoko loosing mahiru, sonia loosing gundam, akane loosing nekomaru, hajime loosing chiaki (which differs from hajimes loss of nagito as thier relationship is a lot more fucked up than a simple sense of adoration and mutual friendship even if you do all of is fte)

however, what marks sdr2 as different is how it emphasizes the growth from said loss as demonstrated within all of the above characters as how they grew following the deaths of their "person." additionally, sdr2 is a story about redemption and atonement for past sins-- hajime has to face his actions as izuru and the death of chiaki and embraces those tragedys to grow as a person dedicated to making a future with his new friends. Its a journey which the other survivors go through as well.

which is why i think soniakane is so important to weigh into this analysis because sonia and akane growing following the loss of someone important to them and the realization that their past selves where horrible people is essential to highlighting how redemption is possible. sonia and akane should be allowed to love each other because theyre embracing their paths and making an effort to bring light into their lives and the lives around them-- it illuminates the beauty of their connection and how the two of them have grown out of past immaturity.

additionally, i am of the belief that none of the survivors would've been friends if not for the events of the nwp (which i will explain in a future post) but thats especially true for sonia and akane. sonia was a princess born into her talent and akane was a poor girl who had to fight in order to survive creepy men leering on her. not only in circumstances can it be substantiated the two would never cross paths but in personality they clash with each other-- akane has no understanding of manners in a way thats glaringly obvious and sonia isolates herself due to her weird interests which prevents people from getting too close.

overall i think people gloss over soniakane too quickly or see it as an attempt to couple up every character or make room for a ship but thats not true!!! these two characters have so much more merit than the fandom gives them and their relationship is compelling and fascinating to explore especially from a themes perspective as it can be extremely telling of the overall point which the danganronpa narrative holds

anyways live laugh soniakane

#danganronpa #sdr2 #sonia nevermind #akane owari #soniakane #yuri #theyre so yuri its insnane #danganronpa analysis #a little sprinkle of fandom meta for the kids

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alstroemerian-dragon · 9 months

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the thing about. okay so when i first got into dr i was like ‘i think i prefer an outcome where they ultimately cant wake the other ten members of their class and its just the five survivors because then the deaths meant something yknow’ and while i still think that that kind of thing has. yknow. merit and value. i have actually come around to preferring them being able to do it. with one massive caveat.

it takes forever.

it takes at least a year and a half, two years maybe, before they (lets be real, hajime) even gain the knowledge of the system, work out its quirks, beef up its security and tech, connect it to enough power, and build the proper technology to manage something like this, and even then, each person is going to need a unique plan of action. its going to take ages. i think its best if they start from the first death through the last, which has the added benefit of waking the impostor first and gaining a good moral compass and grounding presence. but… i mean. its almost two years before they even manage the first dive into their brain. two years of living alone, just the five of them, of building each other up of building a dynamic, one that works, and of changing and growing because they have no other choice.

so when it comes down to them actually attempting to wake the first person… theres some anxiety. theres some worry. theres a lot of ‘this is going to radically alter how we relate to each other and everyone else’. theres a lot of ‘this is going to make things weird’. theres a lot of ‘theyre not going to understand a lot of things at first not only because its been two years since we all went under and everything has changed in that time but also because the five of us have a fundamentally different relationship now with each other than we will have with anyone else we wake up. thats going to cause conflict’.

and i dont even necessarily mean that in a romantic relationship sense (though if you know me you know im deeply unwell about kuzuhina and also an absolute sucker for polycule shit so yeah i do also kinda mean it in that way), but just that their bond is so strong. living alone on an island in the middle of nowhere for two years with just four other people will do that. they know each other in fundamental ways that the others may never manage. fuyuhiko may get peko back, but her relationship with him will never be the one he has with hajime, or akane, or kazuichi or sonia. sonia will get gundham back, but despite them definitely regaining their romantic relationship (after an adjustment period, of course), there will be an odd dissonance in how well hajime and akane know her in ways gundham doesnt. akane will get nekomaru back in her life. but he will never be the person she goes to with the things she goes to hajime with.

this isnt necessarily entirely negative, of course. relationships are always going to be different with different people because theyre. yknow. different people. but i think theres going to be a period of time, maybe even the rest of their lives, where the ten sleepers in the vault will understand, intrinsically, that the relationship the five survivors has is never going to be fully understood, and will always be special and different from what they all have as a group.

hajime, fuyuhiko, kazuichi, akane, and sonia all faced arguably the hardest parts of the healing process, the stumbling blindly with no hand to hold except the others with an equal lack of sight, together, and that. does things. to a relationship.

they will all manage the healing process, and they will all struggle through it. but never in the same way those five did.

#personal #meta #danganronpa #sdr2 #oh boy the first proper tagged original post from this blog and its SURVIVORS RELATIONSHIP META #i have. so many thoughts regarding the process of waking the others. the habits the five of them form in the meantime.#the methods they use. alter ego’s return and dynamic with them. who they wake first and how they all feel about it #i think they all know. even akane. that waking someone up is going to change things. maybe not even in a good way too #its going to make things COMPLICATED.#and they all feel a certain type of way about tjat #but its not like they can just. not do it. this is what theyve been working so hard for the entire time.#so theyre going to wake people up. but that doesnt mean they wont feel. a variety of different ways about it.#anxious. nervous. scared even. angry maybe. bitter? jealous in an odd sort of way? out of place.#anyway

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I abhor when people have the sentiment of “I want Peko to get therapy so she can be [insert OP’s bastardize standards of what a normal person is].”

I see people who wants Peko to smile more! Not need Fuyuhiko! But people don’t have to smile all their time to prove their happy. There are characters like Kirigiri who rarely smiles. Why is the only way people think Peko can be happy if she rejects Fuyuhiko? Why just write off Peko’s desire to be by Fuyuhiko’s side as a tragedy?

These people only see Peko as an embodiment of her trauma, too infantile to have her own autonomy. As if her whole narrative in chapter 2 was that she did everything on her own volition. If you try devalue her role in chapter 2 it goes from “Peko sacrificing herself to protecting someone dear” to “Poor victim brainwashed to give up her life for abuser”

More times than not, people think the only way for Peko to see herself as an individual is to push away Fuyuhiko. To which I say 1) Who said Peko doesn’t see herself as an individual? 2) The idea of Peko needing to be separated from Fuyuhiko is LITERALLY what Fuyuhiko has been doing this entire time.

Point 1: Peko is an individual

I really don’t understand when people say “Peko wants to be an individual but can’t because of the Kuzuryu Clan.” There’s nothing outright said that implies Peko’s personality was molded by the Kuzuryu Clan. She has her own interests that directly opposes Fuyuhiko’s interest (Fuyuhiko likes sweets, Peko hates it). Is it because she sees herself as a tool more than a person? Sonia sees herself as a Princess more than a human. Is it because she’s willing to sacrifice her life for another? Nekomaru did that TWICE.

If you really wanted a narrative where someone needs to see themselves more as an individual then Mukuro is literally standing right there.

What gets me the most is that people love saying Peko has no self worth because of her status as a tool and just label it as “Peko needs to be fixed”. Most people don’t know that in her Island Mode Ending, SHE LITERALLY comes to the conclusion she wants to be more than a tool. One gentle push from Hajime and she came to that conclusion very easily! She’s not as far gone as people think she is. If you only look at her Chapter 2 debate then of course it looks like Peko sees herself as only a tool. The entire crux of her argument relied on that narrative. As far as I know in Danganronpa S and Development Plan, (a non-despair setting) she does not call herself a tool.

Point 2: Fuyuhiko pushing Peko away DOES NOT WORK

People jump to the conclusion that “Fuyuhiko and Peko saw each other every day, they’re codependent” Everyone understand the main emotional impact at the end of Chapter 2 was that Fuyuhiko finally confessing he needs Peko right? That everything else before then was Fuyuhiko pushing Peko away. Fuyuhiko pushed her away to prove his independence and give Peko her freedom but the only think he accomplished was making Peko think he didn’t want her. That’s why she was so shocked at Fuyuhiko’s emotional plead to not leave him.

Forcibly separating Fuyuhiko and Peko feels likes Fuyuhiko washing his hands of Peko. “Sorry you came out horribly fucked up because of my family. Hopefully our classmates can make you a normal person because I’m taking myself out of the equation” I rather like how Danganronpa S and Development plan handled it. The two live their own lives but still keep base with each other. They marvel at how the other has grown and move on with their lives after graduation.

I saw this post long time ago pointing out that Fuyuhiko saw Hajime as his first friend meant he didn’t care about Peko. But Peko saids the exact thing to Hajime. Fuyuhiko and Peko do not see each other as friends. Their relationship is so strained despite both parties needing each other and it’s just so sad to boil it down to “separate them both”

tl;dr I don’t like people trying to fix Peko by taking away all her interesting traits and relationships. Just say you don’t like Peko and move on. And I swear to God this isn’t my plead to ship Kuzupeko. It’s more like me begging to stop writing Peko out of Fuyuhiko’s life. They can be platonic!!! I don’t give a shit!!! Just don’t separate!!!

edit: Okay so Peko does call herself a tool in Danganronpa Development plan. But she does also say this so y’know. It equals out.

#danganronpa #sdr2 #Peko pekoyama #meta

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not-a-bit-good · 8 months

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Petty pet peeve of the day :

When the deuteragonist of a mystery killing game is themself presented as a mystery, with all the clues and foreshadowing necessary for the player to understand them/their motivation, complete with a foil that says clearly what the deuteragonist has trouble saying clearly...

and then fandom just DOESN'T engage with said mystery, and takes the surface level interpretation of the character at face value.

#this is about nagito komaeda from sdr2 but if it fits your own blorbo feel free to tag them #yes I am aware not everyone is as obsessed with sdr2 as I am #like dont get me wrong I love unhinged!nagito #but that's a really minor part of his character #and one day I will write a meta analysis about it #sdr2

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spiralhigh · 2 years

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HOPE IS A LIE: an analysis of danganronpa 2.5

alternate title: what most fans get wrong about komaeda nagito

if you're not familiar with danganronpa 2.5, you should be! it's a 25-minute ova and the whole thing is free + subtitled in both english and spanish on youtube. go watch it!

have you watched it? okay, cool. for those of you who haven't seen it in a hot minute, i'll give a brief summary.

analysis under the cut!

(if you like my analysis, please consider reblogging it!)

part one: the summary

danganronpa 2.5 follows komaeda living in an alternate world where hope's peak is a normal high school and komaeda is an ordinary student living an uneventful life. the only thing exceptional about him is that he has a streak of bad luck (more on this later).

we follow komaeda through an average day at school. after some wacky luck hijinks, he goes to class and hangs out with kuzuryuu and souda. slice of life moments interspersed with komaeda monologuing about his outlook on the world ensue.

then, we see a shot of world destroyer (an alter-ego program of hinata/kamukura) standing on a building overlooking the city. he confirms that this world is the "lowest stratum," and then vows to destroy it. we'll explore what this means later!

we cut back to following komaeda, who is now suddenly at souda's funeral. kuzuryuu gets news that souda was murdered. kuzuryuu, pekoyama, and sonia all leave to find the killer and avenge souda. komaeda protests, saying it's too dangerous. the trio doesn't listen to him.

kuzuryuu, pekoyama, and sonia all find world destroyer and attempt to kill him. world destroyer tells them about his mission and then kills kuzuryuu and sonia. pekoyama calls komaeda to tell him that world destroyer is after him before being killed as well.

world destroyer takes the phone. the sound of hinata's voice causes images of the events of sdr2 to flash in komaeda's mind-- specifically images of jabberwock island, meeting hinata for the first time, and his own death in chapter 5. world destroyer then promises to continue until komaeda's whole world has crumbled.

komaeda immediately leaves to go find world destroyer himself. he finds him in an abandoned building where they talk about komaeda's worldview, where he expresses disdain for the concept of talent (and by extension, world destroyer).

komaeda knows he can't kill world destroyer, so he vows to take him down with him instead. komaeda throws a ball at the wall. his luck causes the ball to ricochet and knock all the screws in the building loose. komaeda then pulls out a gun and fires it at the wall, trusting that the bullet will ricochet both to kill himself and cause the building to collapse. it does.

world destroyer comes out unscathed. komaeda stands back up from the rubble, now wearing his outfit from sdr2 instead of his hope's peak uniform. world destroyer confirms that this had all been taking place in the neo world program. he also confirms that this reality was the lowest stratum of komaeda's subconscious, created as a defense mechanism against the traumatic circumstances of his death. komaeda rebukes the worldview he'd expressed in the program and says it was a world worth destroying.

outside the simulation, hinata is waiting for komaeda as he wakes up. komaeda takes his hand and greets the rest of his class. he proclaims that he'll work toward the future in the name of hope... but not before admitting that the dream he woke up from wasn't a bad one.

wow! what a doozy, right? there's a lot to dig into here, so let's get started!

part two: the lowest stratum

it'll be important going forward to keep in mind that this world represents the deepest part of komaeda's mind, unburdened by hope, tragedy, and denial.

this world is created by komaeda alone. it is a reflection of his most deeply held beliefs and desires. this is stated outright by world destroyer. given the fact that he's an ai built solely for psychodives with no motivation to lie, it's safe to take this as truth.

got it? cool! then let's move on to...

part three: luck

in this world, komaeda's luck works differently. instead of having extreme good + bad luck which hurts those around him, komaeda has only bad luck. this results in the people around him reaping the benefits of the good luck.

this goes to show that komaeda's desire to help other people is a genuine one. he doesn't mind how much misfortune he faces so long as it means the people around him are happier.

in the real world, komaeda isolates himself to protect others from his luck-- his bad luck targets others before it targets him. this paired with his obsessive demeanor means that he's spent his life in the real world unbearably lonely... so it makes sense that his ideal world would be one where he doesn't have to worry about causing the deaths of others.

here, he has friends who he feels secure spending time with-- and they care about him even with his eccentricities. komaeda was honest when he said his deepest desire was companionship and love.

part four: happiness

a major theme in dr2.5 is komaeda's view of happiness. rather than chasing an ideal of hope, komaeda's ideal world is one where people are just leading happy, fulfilling lives. however, he's more focused on the happiness of others.

here we see komaeda's unique outlook-- being the narrative foil of hinata, who sees significance as the key to happiness, komaeda is the exact opposite. komaeda frequently refers to himself as a "nobody" in this ova. of course this is due in no small part to his low self-esteem, but it actually points to a more important piece of komaeda's character: he finds security in remaining unimportant.

remember that this is the deepest stratum-- this isn't denial or self-deprecation. komaeda's luck in the real world has taught him that it's dangerous to get involved. it's easier to find happiness as a "nobody."

what komaeda says next leads nicely into the part of the analysis we've all been waiting for. let's talk about...

part five: talent

danganronpa 2.5 tackles komaeda's true feelings on talent more explicitly than any other piece of danganronpa media. if you take komaeda's words in sdr2 at face value, it's easy to assume that he values talent over almost everything else.

that assumption is wrong.

in the real world, komaeda has tricked himself into devotion to talent because he needs something to believe in. it helps him justify his misery ("someone as worthless as me must deserve it!") and gives him something to cling to that he believes his luck can't ruin.

but in truth, komaeda resents talent. he hates it. in this ova, komaeda sums his own feelings up perfectly:

"if only the world were free of talent. i despise talent. were i able, i would erase all talent from the world entirely... without talent, everyone would be able to lead modest lives, find a modest amount of happiness. don't you think that would be wonderful?"

he repeats this monologue, almost verbatim, three times.

they're REALLY beating you over the head with this one so you won't miss it. in the deepest stratum of his mind, komaeda hates talent. he wishes it didn't exist at all.

and it makes sense, doesn't it? not only has the tragedy proven to him that talent isn't infallible, but it's also a symbol of his pain. he never really admired talent. he admired the image of something that could never waver. after a life full of tumult where happiness was out of reach, he craved the stability that such a black and white worldview could provide him. he needed some reason, any reason, to give his life purpose. he couldn't accept that all of his suffering was meaningless.

the world, the same world that pushed another teenage boy to see himself as so worthless without talent that he would sign his body away to get it, gave komaeda an easy answer. talent is hope. komaeda latched onto it, and he latched on hard...

but komaeda is smart and rational to a fault. deep down, he always knew that talent wasn't synonymous with happiness. he just lied to himself because it was the only reason he could find to keep himself alive. in the lowest stratum, the world he created for himself, he was safe. he didn't have to lie to himself anymore. that's why he was finally able to express his true feelings of disdain for talent.

but of course, in the world of danganronpa, hope and talent are synonymous. so what about..?

part six: hope

all of komaeda's resentment toward talent holds true for the concept of hope, but with a slight caveat: hope is far stronger a force than talent.

in komaeda's lowest stratum, the concept of hope is one that he's barely even familiar with. hope is something that's too muddled for komaeda's subconscious to fully accept.

on the one hand, it's just another aspect of the obsession he used to keep himself afloat through all his pain. another symbol of heartbreak. another lie he tells himself.

on the other hand, the concept of hope itself isn't a bad one. in the world of danganronpa, true hope divorced from talent IS a force for good. it CAN meaningfully combat despair. it DOES lead to happiness and stability-- the things we know komaeda truly values.

this is why we see komaeda willing to give hope a chance inside the lowest stratum. while he doesn't believe in the false hope he had been feeding himself his whole life, he knows that true hope is still worth believing in.

this also serves as a resolution to komaeda's role as a dark mirror of naegi. where naegi represents the good that comes from an unwavering belief in hope, komaeda represents how it can go wrong when pushed to its limit. acceptance of true hope for its own sake, divorced from the twisted meaning given to it by society, is the natural conclusion of this.

part seven: the end

but if all i've said about komaeda hating talent and needing to separate it from the concept of hope is true...then what about the ending?

if komaeda truly resents talent and values happiness and stability above all else, why does he deny this when he escapes the simulation? why does he insist that those ideas were worth destroying? why does he revert right back to his old point of view, where hope and talent are synonymous and valued above all else?

the answer is simple: this is no longer the uninhibited komaeda of the lower stratum. the change in outfit is significant-- we're no longer seeing a representation of komaeda's deepest beliefs and desires. now, we're seeing all of him as he exists with the burdens of his trauma.

he's leaving the security of the world where he and the people he loves are safe, and returning to the world that forced him to warp his own beliefs in the first place. of course he's not ready to let his old view go. how can he guarantee that he'll survive out there without it?

he can't. he may never be able to fully distance himself from it.

but now he knows that other possibilities exist. there are other things which can give his life meaning. happiness is not impossible for him to achieve.

komaeda's lowest stratum forced him to face the reality of his feelings.

he tried to deny it.

but in the end, komaeda allows himself to acknowledge that...

#nagito komaeda #character analysis #danganronpa #sdr2 #danganronpa 2.5 #danganronpa meta #danganronpa analysis #new tab #tab does analysis #meta

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lumen-tellus · 8 months

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thinking again about dangly ropes now that it was brought up in my brain but specifically thinking about ndrv3 which has somehow surpassed sdr2 in like every aspect in my head (tho sdr2 still has my fave memes........ haha, memes, the anime was such a hot mess but the memes were good—)

ndrv3 is just such a good game to end the entire series on. its literally a game that tells you everything is up to you at the end, truth or lies, illogical or logic, magic or tricks, whether you want its world to continue or not, but either way, for the characters living in it, it's book end and they're moving on to who knows what. its literally that one post about that specific kinda media where the world is out of the audience's hands.

everyone's said the scrodinger's dangly ropes joke a thousand times when discussing ndrv3's ending but that really is what it is............ and goshhhh i love it for that, the writer in me looooovessssss that!!

"you sure you dont like just it bc someone brought up the umineko parallels and now your brain just cannot let that go" well there's that too but yeah

#harmonics.txt #IT REALLY IS THE UMINEKO OF DANGLY ROPES THO................. like dr1 to sdr2 and even the side game with the kid antags is like higu-#esp in how it touches upon societal issues and systematic failures in youths with all the delicacy of a whacky sledgehammer #discussing meta fiction tho?????? the more philosophical nature of truth?? like umi?????? ndrv3 #''what about the dr3 anime'' we dont talk about that #also i am BEAMING my thonkies at the people who brought this up in the first place. play ndrv3 play ndrv3..............#specifically find an eng translation of the jp script bc best boy ouma deserves it

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Nagito is definitely more complex than some people give him credit for. He's also pretty tragic when you think about it.

Like he's been through horrible things, to the point that it's almost too outlandish to take seriously (which is something that bothers me but that's beside the point), and has become desensitized to tragedy. He has no control over his own life or even his own mind and body considering his medical conditions. And deep down all he wants is a normal life without his luck, but he can't have it, so he latches on to this hierarchical ideal of hope and talent as a way to cope with it.

And he is selfless in the sense that he doesn't value his own life and will readily sacrifice himself for his perceived greater good, but he still has his own agenda.

He's not really a good person but he's not really a bad person either, he's just fucked up.

Also I can't help but wonder if his obsession with hope overcoming despair is a projection. That it's him secretly/subconsciously hoping (heh) that his own life could improve, even if he doesn't think he deserves it.

Anyways sorry for rambling he drives me insane (affectionate).

No, it’s okay. I can see you want to start a conversation so I’ll give you a conversation to build off your points! Your speech pattern reminds me too much of my own, so it feels like I’m talking to myself LOL. A good rambling is always never not welcome, whenever I do it’s too organized to call a ramble though.

With the outlandishness of what Komaeda has experienced, it’s always topped off with his own casual speech pattern. It’s pretty hard to take seriously when Komaeda is speaking about it like he’s talking about the weather. His desensitization to what he had gotten used to as daily life has created this depressing yet self-centered view of living.

Now, self-centered? I know what you’re thinking, “but Komaeda’s view of the world is incredibly giving” and “Komaeda’s self worth would never let himself be the center”, and yeah that hasn’t changed, but take two steps back from being in Komaeda’s mindscape and you’re able to view the fact that a lot of what Komaeda uses to process the world is based in his own experiences. Everyone knows that it’s a coping mechanism, but what does that entail in reality? I can tell you.

Komaeda has experienced more misfortune than the average human being should ever be exposed to, so he’s chosen to cling onto this idea that everyone else also operates on hope and despair the same way his luck has put him through his entire life. He’s chosen the ultimates to be apart of these views because the talented are considered to be the pinnacle of human life in society’s collective, something unattainable unless you were born with it and the utter hope of a society’s future, so it makes it easier for Komaeda to justify what’s happened to him by making sure they stay up on that metaphorical pedestal, and that keeps him down there. His beliefs are distorted because they don’t align with how reality actually works; It’s why he treats them like he does because his belief in them is based in shallow, exaggerated societal expectations, so he’s going to treat them as nothing more than their talent.

This is exactly what I meant by self-centered. This type of belief does not consider anyone else as individuals with feelings or wants, and purely for his own religious-like faith in that this is what is going to save him and if not, he would gladly be the martyr to its cause. It’s either going to save him or destroy him, and what we’ve seen, has only destroyed him. Like you said, this doesn’t make Komaeda a good person, but it doesn’t make him a bad one.

If Komaeda does not have confidence in his luck, then all of that will crumble. So if any of you were boggled by his relationship with his luck, there you go. He doesn’t think it deserves to be a talent among the ones he idolizes, but he believes in it because it’s what he’s known all his life.

Like I said, this will and has destroyed him. In UDG and Chapter 0 of sdr2, it’s gotten to a point where he’s visibly confused himself while still in full confidence of an even more warped idealistic system, and seeing hope for himself (reminder that the entirety of first game was on TV) wasn’t enough, he wanted to direct it happening himself and see it up close with Komaru, a normal girl, to cause even more hope.

Even though I have personal problems with the anime as a whole (yes, even the OVA), as the OVA has mentioned, what would really make him happy and help him is a normal life, not some grand thing like absolute hope. However, he doesn’t see any worth in that because his life has always been not normal and there’s no great Hope waiting for him if it does become normal. It’s never going to happen either so it’s no fun entertaining the impossible for him, even as optimistic as he goes on to be about terrible situations.

Ugh, too many words. Too much to say. This is not the time to talk about this, but Komaeda what happened to your perception of your own bodily autonomy?

Besides the fact my head hurts having to put that into words, I agree with your points and I hope I covered everything? I always accidentally do that when I’m trying to talk about one thing at a time.

#danganronpa #sdr2 #nagito komaeda #komaeda nagito #guys I don’t like having thoughts #it’s too hard #sdr2 analysis #sdr2 meta #I wasn’t really planning on going this hard with analyzing his behavior but oh well ^.^”#is it too late to ask you guys to read No Longer Human by Osamu Dazai- *GUNSHOT*#SIGHH is it also too late to talk about the ironies with Izuru and Hajime and their dynamic with Komaeda in depth?#guys I think I’m going blind in my left ear and taste in my right

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metamatronic · 2 years

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So uh,,, Korekiyo is dead dead, right? Dang.

Yup. Korekiyo’s execution was pretty explicit in its execution of his ghost, so he won’t be appearing in the Ghost AU unless I change my mind later and find a different way to write him in.

Also, if I had a nickel for ever Todd Haberkorn character who committed murder in a pitch black room via a convoluted floorboard-stabbing maneuver and was boiled alive for it, I would have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

#drv3 spoilers #danganronpa spoilers #korekiyo shinguji #teruteru hanamura #meta talks #ghost au #dr2 spoilers #sdr2 spoilers

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imaginarylungfish · 6 months

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li tanchen and the transfer-of-power-upon-death theory

if we stick with the transfer-of-power-upon-death theory, i wonder if Li Tanchen knew about this phenomenon? immediately after the stabbing incident when Li Tanchen (while possessing QL's body) figures out CXS' power, he says, "talk about a convenient power, i think i might take it."

does this mean he knew? that he wanted to literally kill CXS and take his power? i'm not so sure. because if he knew about this phenomenon, wouldn't he have immediately killed CXS while touching him the moment he kidnapped CXS and Officer Wang?

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OPINION ALLERT PLS DON’T KILL ME!!!

v3 is just so forgettable. the characters are mediocre at best, with only a few bangers (stares at ryoma lovingly) i can name all the characters from thh and sdr2 off the top of my head. i def can’t do that for v3.

the story is so fucking bad and makes no god damn sense. i hate it so much. like i get the whole meta commentary on the franchise thing but it’s still so fucking bad. learning that all these characters you got attached too don’t even exist.

that in the game they were all just made up. it does nothing but remove all the stakes. why tf would i care about what happens to kaito when “kaito” as a character doesn’t even exist.

danganronpa’s strongest asset is it’s characters. they're the backbone of the series. not the mysteries, not the secrets or the over arching plot. it’s the characters. without likable characters, the story means nothing. the story relies on you caring abt the characters.

if i don’t care about the characters, i don’t care about the story. and i don’t care about the v3 characters at all.

i’ve been needing to get this out of my system for a long ass time tbh

Honestly, I kind of agree with you. The story wasn't very good. Finding out that the whole thing was made up was a real slap in the face, and then the claim that the first two games were also made up?? Basically they made the entire series pointless, and it was kinda upsetting.

Like, at the end of THH and SDR2, I wanted to know more about what was happening, you know? I wanted answers to the leftover mysteries, I wanted to know if the outside world was really destroyed after THH, I wanted to know what was gonna happen when the SDR2 kids woke up. But at the end of V3, I was just like, "oh." I literally had to go into the other room and tell my husband all about the game jumping the shark.

That said, I still liked most of the characters. I didn't care much for Angie and I keep forgetting Kaede exists, but everyone else is alright. I'm still going through the free time events, so I don't have all the backstories yet, but I like them well enough. Even the ones that I started out not liking ended up growing on me.

Obviously they have nothing on the other characters. I adore the SDR2 cast (if you couldn't tell by my excessive amount of fanfiction lol) so I don't think the V3 cast stood much of a chance.

Also the Monokubs are the worst thing ever.

#danganronpa #hot takes

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