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erigold13261 · 7 months

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HC: NSpideR Peni is a robot elemental, who has circuit board patterns all over kits skin and face

I love that circuit idea a lot!

Though I don't think there would be a robot elemental (at least not at the moment, Peni might be the first one if that is the case!). I can see her and her powers being a biological milestone for the world, showing that the magic of the world is evolving to incorporate robots into it a lot more (which goes into another ask I got recently about bio-robots I will answer soon lol).

Technically not a robot, but there are definitely a lot of similarities and a heightened connection to tech that Peni has that has made a lot of people wonder if kit was a secret robot (mainly kits peers).

Anyway! I like the idea that there are some skin conditions that show the inside of the body. I already showed this with Daray, whose skin shows his skeleton off. So Peni has a similar one (or maybe it's the same condition just a different specificity) that shows her nervous system (or like, the more major parts of the nervous system like how Daray's skin doesn't show every single bone).

That skin condition, along with Peni's tech magic combined to make kits styling more robotic/mechanical looking (like a circuit board) while also allowing kits eyes, nerve markings, and hair to actually glow (which can dim down at times or even brighten up).

All of this to say, technically Peni is not a robot elemental as those haven't really been seen before now, as robots are a fairly new phenomenon in the scope of the world. But now that robots and technology is a much bigger part of the world (with all the new tech, robots, EDM music, stuff like that), the world is evolving to reflect this change and it is showing a lot in the newer generations.

As for Peni's design, I kinda combined a bit of the Spiderverse version and comic version. It's mainly the Spiderverse design with small tweaks to the clothes and hair from the comic. I also chose to go with yellow eyes instead of red because the comic SP//DR suit had yellow eyes and thought that would be a nice addition! :3

#spiderverse #nsr #no straight roads #nsr daray #peni parker #nsrtalk #eritalks #spidertalk #eriarts #definitely gonna have to figure out a way to remember p/eni's face markings #i'm pretty good with the rest of the body #but i am going to mess up the face a lot #lol #as long as there are 2 connected to the eye #one below those eye ones #and 1-2 above the eye #i think i can make it look consistent enough #:3

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erigold13261 · 7 months

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Any opinions on she/her, it/its user Eve?

Your ask immediately made me think of this shirt for some reason. I have no idea if I made it up or saw it at some point, but I can see Eve relaxing in it lol.

Anyway! My opinions! (there is a lot more than I thought lol)

I personally like Eve using just she/her pronouns (and for now I will use she/her until I get to the it/its pronouns) but she has a very complicated relationship with her gender (which also encapsulates her sexuality).

Like I even want to start drawing her with top surgery scars thinking she either got a breast reduction or fully got rid of her breasts. Maybe she took some testosterone at some point but also leaned very far into the feminine aesthetic.

Sometimes wears butch or masc clothing, or makes her hair very short. Her entire display is just supposed to be experimental and all over the gender spectrum but also leaning a lot into the feminine even when playing around in the masc area.

And because she plays with her gender and expression in this way, she also always wants to exclusively use she/her. Those are what works but can also confused others when she is going into a more masc appearance. Even when she got her top surgery she had to be adamant to the people around her to keep using only she/her, not he/him or they/them which some people tried doing.

That is what I personally prefer for Eve.

However! I guess it/its pronouns could make Eve feel differently! (and now I will start using she/it for Eve).

All of what I said above would probably still be true, except that over time Eve might lean more into using it/its pronouns. It would be like reclaiming a part of itself that it never knew it lost.

I'm sure there were some people in Eve's life that made it feel less than human, even her own thoughts probably did that. Made her feel like an object (which is why it will sometimes present as a literal object like the chair) and so over time it just... ran with the idea of being an object but one with life.

At least that is what Eve would eventually come to think of herself. After the revolution, getting closure from Zuke, growing more into itself, all of that would need to happen before it would be able to see itself as an object with life instead of an object with purpose.

Let me try to explain what I mean by that.

Eve would see itself as a combination of a woman and natural phenomenon or object that needs a use to be important. Disguising herself as a chair, or comparing herself to tectonic plates, both of those instances were Eve is trying to reclaim what it means to be an object, but they were objects with purposes, easily forgotten about until they are needed or make some kind of dramatic act.

"A chair without a sitter is left with no purpose to exist." Without the direct purpose of a sitter (or another person) then a chair has no reason to exist (Eve has no reason to exist). This mindset shows Eve's co-dependency, but also shows how it sees itself. How it is an object, but it's usefulness and reason to live is defined by what others need of it or of how others see it.

Eve realizes she is a tool, that the only way that it has a reason to live is if it is helping others, or fulfilling other people's needs. She is not fulfilling her own needs, her own idea of who she is. No, instead Eve is acting as an object for others to use, which is why it started going by it/its pronouns.

"Remember when I was the tectonic plates and you were the sea?" This line is another reason why Eve would have started using it/its pronouns. In this aspect, it is still an object, but one that most people forget about until it does something dramatic like causing a tsunami with the sea or earthquakes on land.

Unless you are actively looking at tectonic plates, learning about them, then you really wouldn't care about them until they affect your life. That is how Eve feels. Unseen and forgotten about until it is seen as important.

Being a megastar is kinda like being a constant earthquake, where people can see her all the time and have her on their minds, but over time they get used to this life and what Eve is offering which makes Eve chase a new dramatic flare, a new music style, a new purpose in life to be seen by anyone around her.

When it can find a researcher who cares deeply about the beauty and importance of tectonic plates and is willing to learn more about them to understand them (so someone like Zuke who took time to learn more about Eve and understand it), then she feels seen and loved. Loved as the object that it perceives itself as, that it thinks everyone had forgotten about except for one person. It can start loving itself because of that one person who loves it (and when that person goes away, that love goes away too).

However, ones the revolution takes place and Eve gets closure from Zuke and starts to work on itself, I can see it questioning why it started using it/its pronouns in the first place. Even if it was always just personal use that only a select few people knew about (Zuke and Tatiana definitely knew) and not public knowledge, Eve would still start to question why she started using those pronouns and wonders what it is about that specific set that called out to her.

I can see Eve figuring out all this from above, or at least the general gist of it through therapy and self reflection. Maybe this would make it upset that it was using these pronouns in this way. Feeling cheap or fake for using them (even if it was only known by like 2 other people). There would always be this questioning that Eve has if she truly wants to go by she/it pronouns, and if its reasoning is good enough justification to continue to use them.

Honestly, I love the idea that Eve always kept this mainly to herself. This questioning aspect. I'm sure Zuke and Tatiana would have still used she/it for Eve only when talking with Eve (never outing her since she never said she was okay with that). Mayday and Haym definitely do not know about this. I can see Purl maybe figuring something out about this, or knowing of the it/its pronouns from one of their late nights together, but they never used those for Eve as she never explicitly asked for that to happen.

All that comes to a head when Rin starts going by it/its pronouns. Rin's whole reasoning for going exclusively by it/its at first was to piss off haters and to have fun with its gender. There was never a big deal about it, and soon those pronouns just truly grew onto Rin and stuck.

This was something entirely different to how Eve saw itself using those pronouns. But it also didn't like that justification really at all. Just doing something to piss people off felt too similar to what she was doing before, having pronouns based on how people would or have reacted to a part of the person.

Eve wanted something more internal. Not related to other people, something she could see in herself with these pronouns.

And honestly, if you want to keep this related to the NSpidR AU (or even my Eriverse in general), Hobie and Lizze Natividad would be the perfect people to have Eve realize it is an object with life and not an object with purpose kind of it/its user.

Hobie is in the same boat as Rin, using they/it pronouns to piss people off but to also break free from gender constructs and confinement. It is about being rebellious and messing with people, but also having freedom and power over your own identity.

Similar to Eve, Hobie's gender performance is like literally a performance. Although Hobie performs for themself while Eve performs for other people. That is a thing that Eve will have to learn to change over time.

Lizzie at this point in life is probably still a Psychonaut, same with Raz, and since Eve knew Raz and they reconnected together after the revolution, I can see Eve getting to know Lizzie a bit.

Lizzie going by It/They pronouns with he/him sprinkled in (very rarely she/her) is something that Eve would take interest in. Especially for the reasoning as to why Lizzie would add it/its to they/he/she pronouns.

That is when I can see Lizzie using an example I love, where it tells Eve that using "it" isn't always derogatory and has a lot of built in love and admiration into the pronoun. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking for it.

When someone talks about the sunset or moon saying 'It's beautiful" or that people will talk about a stuffed animal or childhood home they loved and use "it" as a default shows that even though those things are being described by it/its pronouns, the love is still there.

Those things are more than just objects, they are moments of love, cherished memories. Not all of them are that. Sometimes they are just a part of time that happened, but it helped shaped who you are even if you don't realize it. They have no real purpose but to make life full of... well, life.

Lizzie would tell Eve about how the smalls things can seem big, and the big things seem small. They shift and change, sometimes they don't have any purpose to life, but you can just make up a purpose for them to be important. It doesn't matter, as long as it is something that makes you happy, confident, safe, anything positive really.

All of this, seeing so many different reasons as to why some people would use it/its pronouns or a combination set, would allow Eve to figure out her own reason for using them.

I'm not sure exactly what its reasons would be. Probably reclaiming its own identity again but this time in a positive way that is built on introspection and not built on other people's potential view of it.

There is definitely something a lot more complex going on underneath everything. Stuff that Eve might never be able to truly get into words, so it would be hard for me to put it into words (which is how I get when I have to explain my own use of it/its pronouns sometimes), but no matter what, Eve is using these pronouns because they make it happy and more comfortable with itself.

I can even see Eve coming out to the public as using she/it pronouns. Maybe it would be another performance, but a performance that Eve would want to see herself, and not one made specifically for other people. This performance wouldn't be trying to get people onto its level, or trying to get down to people's level, it's not one to make them understand, but one for people to see it as it is.

Otherwise, I see Eve at least letting its friends, family, and loved ones using she/it for her like how Zuke and Tatiana were using them. It would at least no longer be a hidden aspect of her personality when it comes to the people it cares about, and once it sees the acceptance it got (especially from Mayday and Haym), it would feel even more comfortable and confident in its choice to come out fully.

Because I'll be honest, it's one thing to dress in a way different from your gender than it is to be referred to as different from your gender. At least for me it is. I primarily present femininely, but I like trying to go by any pronouns, especially they/it pronouns.

I can see Eve being the opposite, where she does not feel any dysphoria or apprehension when it comes to its visual expression, but there is always a slightly weird feeling when verbally being called something you don't think you truly are. Even if you do think you are truly they/them, it/its, she/her, anything, hearing it is different from seeing it, which is different from visually showing it, to just acting in a different manner.

All of this is complex stuff that Eve has definitely had to go through. Some things easier than others (like her visual self), and it still has lots to work on, but at least it is on the right track for progress.

Anyway, thanks for making me think of this! I love that I was blatantly for she/her exclusive Eve at first, but now I think I changed my own mind lol. I might start referring to Eve with she/it pronouns. Love it when I can make propaganda for my own mind hehe (it always happens too! Because I try to make someone else's view of a character valid, even if it isn't my own cup of tea, and then I just love what I came up with and just start using it too lol :3)

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erigold13261 · 8 months

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So it's pretty reasonable to say that NSR was a pretty shitty company. And I'm not just talking about the morality part of it with the NSR elites being the ones to get power all the time no matter what.

NSR was just a shit power company. Like yeah, technically NSR was just a record company I'm pretty sure, but in this world that is basically also a power company since music=power.

All I'm saying is that there were still constant blackouts and shit like that happening enough that it could push people over the edge and make them start attacking people and rioting.

So like, the power situation before NSR got started must have been way worse for people to be okay with the blackouts Vinyl City constantly got at the time.

Either that or people are just leaning way too much into the record label part of it and basically being NSR stans and seeing no wrong in the company.

I guess both situations could be true. NSR comes in and makes things better (not amazing, but better) with enough personality and charm to wiggle it's way into people's hearts so that even though there are still blackouts, most people are content since they only last a few hours now instead of days or weeks.

I just find it funny that I always associated the NSR Company as a power company and not just a record label because of how the world works (maybe they are synonymous) and NSR is just an absolute shitshow at being a power company. I guess it's a good thing it labels itself as a record label instead of a power company lol (I'm still gonna see it as and call it a power company though).

#rambling #eritalks #noart #nsr #nsrtalk #i don't know why it took me this long to realize that #like i already knew it was a shit company because of bias and basically partying #and that it didn't produce enough power because of the edm problem #but to realize it was a shit power company #was something that didn't explicitly cross my mind #lol

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erigold13261 · 15 days

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What does each member of DDMC represent? I remember that Haru represents storms, and Renho represents waterfalls, I think? But what about the others? I'm asking because I remember you already saying it, but it was such a long time ago!

Their OG representations are:

-Sayu: Deep ocean. Self explanatory lol.

-Aoi: Over fishing/nets/plastic in the ocean (more of an awareness campaign with him than trying to represent those ideas. If you want a more true representation of him, he's more like the idea of wildlife in general in the ocean).

-Haru: Sea is the weather that the ocean faces. Mainly it is storms, especially ones that would destroy giant boats and be legends that sailors and marines would pass on.

-Yua: She's supposed to be the time? Kinda? She's supposed to show beautiful picture perfect sunsets. I guess it would be better to say that she represents beaches and low tide kind of environments than just saying she represents time lol.

-Renho: They are waterfalls yes! But they also represent fresh water environments! (since I don't think there are any real consistent salt water waterfalls). Their last form is supposed to be more like a swamp/marsh and waterfall vibe to it.

Their Halloween representations are:

-Sayu: Candy, sweets, all the treats you can get on the holiday.

-Aoi: Represents the costume side of things the most. Like dressing up and having fun pretending to be something else!

-Haru: The tricks! Sea is basically the one who promotes buying toys and trinkets that are used to trick people!

-Yua: She's the decorations! Promoting pumpkin carving and hanging up all kinds of things to get into the holiday!

-Renho: The paranormal/scary stories. They are the one trying to create a tense atmosphere and then release a scare!

Their Christmas/Winter/End of year holiday representations are:

-Sayu: Caroling, singing, bells and having a cheery attitude.

-Aoi: The cold weather (even though Malaysia doesn't really get all that cold). He's the snow, snowglobe, snowman, snow angels. All that jazz that's supposed to comes with the cold.

-Haru: Feasting, food, eating. Making cookies and memories. Drinking hot cocoa and all the warm feelings you are supposed to get when with family and friends.

-Yua: She's supposed to represent love and care for each other directly (especially since she is a mistletoe).

-Renho: They are the decorations. Their tail is a Christmas tree and so probably also represent gift giving and thinking of others.

And finally, their animal representations are:

-Sayu: Bunny.

-Aoi: Wolf.

-Haru: Fox.

-Yua: Dragonfly.

-Renho: Butterfly.

#nsrtalk #eritalks #noart #asks #it's been a bit since i really talked about these characters #so i kinda went a little overboard #lol #hope you don't mind!#i should draw them again #:3

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erigold13261 · 6 months

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HC: Noir in the NSpidR AU has low vision. They often have people like Peni read out loud books for them, or like watching black and white silent films with people explaining what is going onscreen. (They like pride flags due to their stark contrasts.)

Personally I like Noir with decent/good vision, but that's a cool headcanon to have!

It's nice that Noir would have a lot of good friends to help them out in this kind of scenario!

OOOH! What if Noir, instead of having low vision, was just completely colorblind because of the color accident they had? That could be a cool idea/concept (I don't think I will personally use it, but it is a fun thing to think about).

Also, not all pride flags actually have contrast. I think the bisexual flag is one that comes to mind. If you make the flag black and white, you can barely tell the colors apart because the like value (I think value is the right word) are so close together.

I saw someone talk about this before years ago so hopefully I am remembering it right. But if you look at Akusuka and Metro Division from NSR, they are 2 entirely different visual places.

Akusuka has a lot of bright colors, whites, blues, pinks, and stuff. But it is all the same values. In black and white, a lot of the colors mix together and you wouldn't be able to tell where pink ends and blue starts in the district.

However, with Metro Division, it is a lot darker, but there is actually contrast between the like blacks/greys and the neon colors (which I think are mostly bright blues). If you look at the place in black and white, it is much easier to see the difference in contrast and values (maybe you wouldn't be able to tell which colors are red, blue, or green, but those are accents and you would be able to know the lights and the darks from each other).

Visually, I think Metro Division might be easier to navigate than Akusuka because of the contrast, but that's not taking into account the actual build of the place (which both districts, well all of them except maybe Natura honestly, are very lively and built in ways to confuse and keep you in the area longer so you buy stuff).

So yea, having differing values and high contrast are definitely things needed for a lot of low vision people. Things like black and white films show this really well because they had to accommodate for the lack of distinct color (like how the Addams family house was actually like pink and yellow of different values to properly show up on black and white film without getting muddled or hard to see).

I like the idea that if Noir does have low vision, that they do have a lot of people helping them out when they need it!

#nsrtalk #spidertalk #nspidr #eriverse #eritalks #noart #asks

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erigold13261 · 5 months

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Okay! Got basically all the family trees I can think of done! (I'm almost positive I either forgot one or will need to add more later on)

They probably aren't permanent and could change in the future, but these are the basics of what I am gonna be working with for the Eriverse AU!

There's 16 total pages so I'm gonna put them under the cut! (With some extra commentary I guess)

Mayday and Zuke/West: -Mayday was adopted by her paternal grandma. However, now she has no family left at all. -Zuke and West's dad left the family a while ago for a fling. He was disowned by his parents who are still active in Zuke and West's lives.

Miles and Gwen: -I just looked up the family from the comics to get more of the names for each of the characters I didn't know (like Patrick or Gloria). -I do like the idea that Miles has a little sister, or will have a little sister.

Eve/Remi/Pav: -I wanted to make Eve's maternal side a lot bigger than her paternal side. So like, Eve and Pav have a lot more family to connect to than Remi ends up having. -Eve and Remi's dad had an affair with Remi's mom before divorcing Eve's mom.

Neon J/1010: -Didn't want to put all 8 robots names, so I shortened it. -This was the tree that started this whole saga lol. -I know I wanted Neon to have a large extended family that he wasn't able to connect with, with at least one set of twins and a teen or two.

Joey/Celine/Gigi and Nova: -Nova's family tree still has a bit more relatives, but none of them are all that important to Nova's life so he doesn't actually pay attention to them (and is why they aren't shown). -Nova is also a rainbow baby. -Joey, Celine, and Gigi are all half siblings. This tree was annoying to figure out but I think I made it work. Basically they all share one same parent (don't know if it's a mom or dad yet).

Elivy and Quida: -Quida is the youngest of 4 kids in her family. Her daughter had a baby with an unwanted man and would later die from pregnancy related problems. Quida took in her newborn granddaughter. -Elivy is married to an old roadie for the Goolings and adopted a pre-teen or teenage son with his husband.

Sofa and Tila: -Sofa has a younger sister and some cousins. The cousins aren't super important to their life so they aren't shown. -It's just Tila and her parents in her life.

Kento/Dodo: -Kento and Dodo's dads are half siblings. Grandparent 1 divorced Grandparent 2 and then got with Grandparent 3 (I don't know which is grandma or grandpa so that's why it's neutral). Not much else to say about this specific tree.

Ham: -Found out the names of Ben and May were Ant May and Bee, but also Ham's adoptive aunt and uncler were just May and Ben, so I changed their names to Maize and Benny. -Maize and Benny are the ones to take Ham in (I forget if Maize is a widow or not in this AU, so Benny might be dead and I just need to put an X on his name. If that's the case then Bee is alive).

Bunny/Rei/Hobie: -Rei as disowned by his family, Bunny disowned hers, and Hobie was abandoned by its which is basically disowned. -Rei and Bunny end up adopted Hobie, or at the very least becoming powers of attorneys for it in case something happens. -Finally, Hobie's parents went on to have at least one more kid that they most likely kept because it was "normal" unlike Hobie.

Peni/Asa: -Decided to change Peni's aunt May and uncle Ben's names to Mai and Ban. And like said multiple times, they are the ones to take in Peni when nya accidentally kills nyas father. -Peni's mom basically disowns Peni by abandoning kit and divorcing her husband. I didn't know how to show that without it looking like either Peni disowned kits mom (like Bunny) or making it look like both Peni's parents disowned kit. Anyway, Peni was basically cut off from kits maternal side when kits mom left -The Aunt/Uncle in the middle is the one to have helped Peni's mom leave the marriage. -Asa has a few siblings but doesn't care about any of them so they aren't shown (that side of the family is similar to Eve and Pav's side which is supposed to be much bigger than Peni's, except Asa doesn't utilize his family like Eve and Pav do).

Noa: -Big family time! Noa is the first grandkid to be born in his family! And because of that he basically became an extra parent to any grandkid that came after him. -Didn't know if he had aunts or uncles, so I just used Auncle so I didn't have to write Aunt/Uncle 3 times lol. -(The Auncle on the left thought having a second kid would fix the marriage... they were wrong).

Kliff and Joust: -Joust is a dick who got disowned by both his parents and his ex-girlfriend and kid. (Mom divorced the dad). -Kliff's family was that type that couldn't have their own kid so they adopted, then had a miracle baby (Kliff) and basically forgot about their adopted kids. -Those adopted kids might have their own kids, and Kliff's grandparents might be dead. I'll be honest, I couldn't think of much story at the moment, so Kliff's tree is most likely going to change.

Miguel and Noir: -Changed George O'Hara's name to Seoirse since I didn't want to just put "George" up there and have people think it was Gwen's dad lol -Also, Miguel's family is basically the comic version of his family because I didn't have my own ideas for him. I will say that him killing Gabriella (who he named after his step-brother) got him disowned by his family (also I think I should have made Dana and him divorced). -I don't have much to say about Noir. I changed Ben and May's names again to keep them separate like the others. Noir's parents are also still alive.

Synthia/Sharon and Spinose Family: -Sharon has a fling with a guy which wounded up in her having Synthia (who she hasn't disowned yet but is very close to doing so). -Yinu's family is basically just her mom and grandma. She doesn't know any of her mom's cousins or other family members, or at least she doesn't know them well enough to have them on her tree.

Tatiana/Cyril/Ilma: -And finally this tree! I've already gave this tree before, it had more names (such as Tatiana's grandparents/Cyril and Ilma's great-grandparents), but I wanted to show off the like disowned and dead statuses of the family. -I actually should have figured out a new symbol for the disowned, because Anatoli was NOT disowned by his mother, only by Matvey. Eh, I guess I could have put the disowned symbol on Matvey's side because it was a mutual disownment between Anatoli and Matvey. -Cyril and Ilma probably have a few cousins and stuff that are important to them (at least Ilma would), but I just don't have energy, time, or space to think of those sides of the trees lol.

But yea! These are the main family trees I'm gonna use. I might change things a bit here and there (give people names and figure out genders, stuff like that). But for now these are good enough.

If you think there's a character I should do a family tree that I didn't then let me know and I might try to make one! :D

#spidertalk #nsrtalk #eriverse #eritalks #noart #family tree

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erigold13261 · 6 months

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Miguel used to wear sunglasses in the NSpidR AU, but took them off after he accepted his spider half again. (Mirroring Tatiana’s arc) (or he doesn’t since his eyes are quite light sensitive)

I always forget that Tatiana wears glasses lol. Now makes me wonder if they are for style or actual use because she does blow them off her head or like looses them in her fight if I remember correctly.

Anyway! I was gonna say that I don't think spider eyes are light sensitive, but I looked it up and a lot of them actually are! Fun fact, some spiders have their like sensitive eye membranes burnt up by the sun and have to regrow it over the day so they can see (and hunt) at nighttime! So Miguel needing glasses for light sensitivity makes a lot of sense! (him and Purl in similar boats :3).

Plus a majority of spiders have poor eyesight as well (maybe it's because of the sun burning their eyes lol) so he's gonna need glasses either way.

Definitely think he's gonna wear some kind of glasses similar to Purl's where you can barely see into them at all while he is in his like evil phase, and then go to wearing some more casual sunglasses type of glasses later on (still prescription based and helping keep the light out of his eyes, but making his face more seeable).

#spidertalk #nsrtalk #nspidr #eriverse #eritalks #noart #asks

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erigold13261 · 6 months

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HC that in the NSpidR world, Miguel basically took over Alchemax to make Nueva York (he was a scientist there in the OG comics, just like Liv and Jonathan)

Oh neat. Maybe! I somehow forgot about Alchemax lol.

Maybe instead of taking over it, the two became partner companies or something like that. Similar to how J-1 Robotics is partnered with a cybernetics company, or something like that.

Alchemax is where all the very delicate research on power samples and power-reducing tech is done and created. While Nueva York is where the therapy and housing (basically everything else) happens.

Miguel would still be the CEO of both, but probably has another person running the intricacies of Alchemax. I don't see that person being Liv because she would want to be in the researching area, not the one running the shots, and Jonathan I always saw as under Liv in the hierarchical ladder so that also keeps him from being the one running Alchemax.

Actually, just looked it up and found out that Olivia is the founder of Alchemax! Neat! Though I like her kinda being like the secret leader of the company and not really the face of it. That's probably why I think Miguel being the face of both Nueva York and Alchemax would work out really well.

I was going to say that Kingpin could be the head of Alchemax, but then I saw that he has his own company Fisk Industries. I think his company is a holding company in canon which, and I might be wrong here, is like a parent company that completely or partially owns another business as well as stock and stuff like that.

I kinda prefer the idea that Fisk Industries is more like a distributor or a warehouse company than a holding company. No matter what, it is a powerful company with a lot of money to it (probably because it is still definitely a front for a criminal organization in this AU lol).

So like, Vandelay Tech makes special parts, technology, robots and stuff like that, which is then bought by companies like Fisk Industries to store until they get shipped out to customers or brick-and-mortar stores (the cybernetics are done by Vandelay Tech themselves in house and are not distributed).

From there Fisk Industries distributes that stuff to other companies, stores, directly to customers. One of these being Alchemax, which gets specially designed parts and machinery that Vandelay Tech makes, but it's cheaper to buy that stuff through Fisk Industries than directly from the manufacturer (because Kale wants to make a big profit by jacking up the price legally and Wilson is willing to lower prices in some kind of laundering/crime scheme that makes him money illegally).

With the tech/parts/machines from Vandelay/Fisk, Alchemax can create highly specialized tech that relates to reducing powers in people as well as have the tools to do proper research to keep Nueva York running and showing progress to continue getting funding.

Loved talking about this a lot honestly! It's been a bit since I thought about the distribution process of goods from manufacturer to consumer. This also helped me round out more of the area and how some companies are connected together even if they don't seem like they should be.

Honestly, Psychonauts probably gets their parts from Fisk Industries as well. At least if they don't know that there is a crime ring attached to the company, otherwise they would try and get things directly from Vandelay Tech (even if it is pricier, but then the Tech Revolution happens and now Psychonauts aren't sure if they want to continue relations with them either and might have to look to overseas manufacturers for the parts needed for psychic machinery).

NSR and J-1 are definitely working together to supply each other with power, funding, and qwasa tech. NSR would technicaly be the holding company in this part of the world, with J-1 being a manufacturer. There wouldn't be a need for a middleman distributor for J-1 and NSR working together, but J-1 does have distributors for its toys and other products for the average consumer (the cybernetics company owned or partnered with J-1 is not supplying NSR directly, but it does have NSR's interest to think about in order to keep its funding/continue working).

Now I just need to figure out how the companies in Europe work together. Especially the UK Robotics company (I really need to start thinking of names for these companies lol).

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erigold13261 · 9 months

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Heyo Eri :3

I see you've taken an interest of my NSR fan kiddies aka Burning Constellation and the OFA Rockstars becoming villians aka L.O.V.E. So I've come to ask on what you think the reactions of everyone such as the main NSR Cast, Nueva York, Vandelay, and even the Psychonauts would be when L.O.V.E forms and starts causing havoc everywhere. It's mainly Burning Constellation who starts causing mayhem by launching an attack that destroys the NSR Tower aka Orion doing what her dad Kliff did and drops a satellite on it only this time the satellite hits the Tower and causes a lot of damage, plus they also steal the Grand Qwasa- (I'm sure Kliff would be proud of his daughter LOL-)

Then all the OFA Artists join L.O.V.E after becoming villains themselves so now it's getting out of control to where Titanium has to call in help so she would call in the 4 main groups mentioned. How would they go about to defeat the L.O.V.E villains? Would they try to take them out one by one in order of the OFA Rockstars (Henrick being the first, Rosie second, Prince Astral third, CAL forth, Jodie fifth, and Burning Constellation last?) Or would they lure them into a trap and them battle them all at once?

I apologize for this ask being quite lengthy, I'm really down the rabbit hole of my silly group of villains-

For the NSR characters, it depends on if the tower was empty or not (also I don't know all about your AU, I keep forgetting with my terrible memory, so I don't know who's still alive or still working for NSR at this point in time so I'll keep it vague lol).

If it's empty, like they were able to evacuate in time, the destruction of NSR tower would be devastating but not too bad. If it was full, then L.O.V.E. would be seen as absolute monsters and murderers. They would be hated by a large majority of Vinyl City and probably the NSR cast as well (imagine if Titanium was IN the tower when the satellite hit, we'd need a new leader of Vinyl City then, but since she's the one who calls for help she most likely survives).

Stealing the Grand Qwasa (which sounds so funny to me lol) would be devastating as well since most, if not all, of the power in Vinyl City is now gone. People would die from hospitals not being powered and flooding as machines to keep flooding down are now not being powered at all. Not to mention the whole structure of the city is being thrown all over the place because of the chaos. L.O.V.E. would be despised by the citizens of Vinyl City.

As for the retaliation itself, I don't think NSR would have means of fighting L.O.V.E.. I don't know about your version of NSR, but mine wouldn't have the security to go against a whole villainous organization, which is probably why Titanium tries asking for help.

I doubt Vandelay Tech would do anything. They are just a tech company, not really out there looking to save the world. I'm sure they could offer some security robots, but honestly I doubt they would actually even have any more of those at this point since those types of robots were more Kale's doing and not something Roxanne or Peppermint would have kept going. I can see them sending robots that specialize in care and help to Vinyl City during this time though.

Psychonauts and Nueva York. Those are two organizations that would help Titanium (if they are still around. I definitely think Psychonauts would still be around, but not so sure if Nueva York would have been able to stand the test of time).

With the Psychonauts, they usually only deal with psychic battles, however, they would absolutely be willing to help stop this organization considering they've HAD to have killed some people. I don't know how much of the OG adult cast from Psychonauts would be around (the Psychic 7 are long dead by this point, as are people like Milla and Sasha being very old or dead by this point), I think Raz would be around still, but I don't know if she would still be an active member of the Psychonauts (since she'd be like... idk 50+ at this point, but she could definitely still be kicking ass lol).

Either way, whatever Psychonauts are around would be willing and ready to help try and stop L.O.V.E. at all costs. Using their psychic powers and advanced tech at this point would definitely help them as they track down and get ready to fight L.O.V.E.

Nuvea York is a tricky one. Because, if the Power Revolution worked and stuck true to the core of Nueva York, then that organization wouldn't really be used in this situation. Nueva York at this point is about helping people learn to control their powers, nothing more and nothing less.

Other organizations would have been made to help rehabilitate people using their powers for evil, or to hold people with powers who would have been able to escape captivity after committing a crime, but Nueva York would not be one of them. So whatever other organization is used to help detain and stop people from using their powers purposefully for evil would be called instead (the people of Nueva York would probably not like L.O.V.E. though, considering what they have already done to Vinyl City).

As for HOW L.O.V.E. would be captured, I think the Psychonauts and Power Organization (don't know what else to call it) wouldn't really work together right off the bat. They each have their own methods for dealing and capturing enemies, so they would rather work alone. They'd both also wait until L.O.V.E. commits some kind of crime, maybe try to set up a situation that would attract L.O.V.E., but for the first few tries they would rather try and get L.O.V.E. to commit their own crimes at first and try and stop them at the scene.

I can see it being kinda comical if you want to go that way, where Power Organization and Psychonauts make each other fail a few times and they have a little rivalry going on until something super serious happens and that's when the two groups start to work together and actually coordinate instead of almost actively sabotaging each other.

The order of capture would also depend on how L.O.V.E. operates itself. Do they usually attack in groups or by themselves with only some attacks being group/partner work. If it's single work with sometime having group/partner work, then Psychonauts and PO would do their best to get crimes that are committed by more than one person. But if they only capture one then that's fine as then they can use methods like going into the person's brain (or I guess code for CAL if I remember correctly) to look for the location of L.O.V.E.'s headquarters or base of operations.

If it's group work, then the Psychonauts and PO would do their best to try and capture everyone at once. I can see something going wrong and one person from L.O.V.E. escaping, and now the two organizations have to worry about them breaking out the rest of L.O.V.E. or something.

It could also be that L.O.V.E. ends up never getting caught because of reasons like they are too good at evading capture or are too ruthless that even if they were almost caught, the casualties were too great for their pursuers that they were able to escape each time.

I don't know how serious or dark you want to take this villainous version of characters, but depending on the intensity you could get really dark with it or make it really comical!

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erigold13261 · 9 months

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What would be Miguel’s excuse to keep people and children in Nueva York? (Children are treated differently in the NSpideRverse)

(Also I heard that the Spider Society fits all of the definitions of a cult)

It would probably be a fear-based tactic. The difference between canon and this AU of Miguel's organization is that it has completely different goals since there is no multiverse in the AU.

Canon is trying to save the multiverse by making sure canon events happen and anomalies are caught or else a universe can just die. In this AU though, I see Miguel as being a place where elementals and people with extremely strong powers go to learn how to control their powers so they don't accidentally hurt other people (especially for families who don't have that same power, like how Pav's powers are too much for his family to help him learn how to control it).

So I would say that Miguel's organization is more like a boarding school/housing area that allows anyone with strong powers they can't control to come and learn how to use them.

The problem is that Miguel and the organization run off of scaring people into just not using their powers. Kinda like how Elsa was traumatized into not using her powers for fear she is going to kill her sister and everyone else she cares about. It's all about suppression of powers, mind over matter, things like that.

People who complete this program may seem to have control over their powers, but quite a few of them actually don't. If they loose control of their emotions then they would most likely loose control of their powers. Think of how Mama lost her shit in Yinu's fight and probably would have continued to try to kill or seriously injure B2J if Yinu didn't start playing the piano at the end.

Miguel would point that out as weakness and explain that she could have killed her kid. Or how DJSS could have killed people with his black hole, or how Eve could have permanently scarred B2J's minds with her powers (he probably loves using the NSR Revolution as examples for people, especially if he finds out Pav is related to Eve, he would use that as ammunition to try and get Pav to suppress his powers away to not end up like his cousin).

This kind of teaching is obviously wrong, but for kids who have families who are scared of their powers or for elementals who people might be scared of just because of the nature of their powers (think fire elementals being seen as dangerous), they would listen to this kind of teaching and think it is how things are done. Of course the average person would be scared of being sucked into a black hole or being set on fire just because you lost your temper, so make sure you are always in control of your emotions and never use your powers.

Miguel's organization just plays off of people's fears and the outcome of people who graduate his program is almost always what he wants, which is why people keep coming to him. Kids/teens can't really leave because a lot of them are sent there from far away, and so they wouldn't be able to just leave. Plus most of them wouldn't want to leave because if they use their powers and hurt someone, that just proves that Miguel and his teachings are right and their families and friends were right to fear them, so might as well stay and learn how to control these powers.

This is what I personally think of when I think of Miguel's organization in this AU. It was the best I could come up with, but if someone else has a better idea then let me know and I might either change my initial idea or at least take inspiration and make a new version, but for now this is what I think of when thinking of Miguel's organization.

[Also as for the cult thing, I think the Spider Society does mind-altering practices like sleep deprivation, but other than that (and possibly the society not doing love-bombing) I would say that technically that is correct. The Spider Society does fit a lot of characteristics of a cult. I think the major difference would be that I'm pretty sure you can leave the Spider Society if you wanted to, while a cult you can't really do that, at least not easily. I don't really know what to add to this part of the ask honestly, I don't know much about cults to be able to give an opinion on if I see the Spider Society as a cult or not].

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erigold13261 · 9 months

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What would a playable Miles, Gwen and Hobie look like?(NSR AU)

Gwen would be on the drums, and Hobie on guitar…

But what about Miles? (Bass? Or… spray paint cans and name tags laced with electricity?)

I still have to work on the actual designs for the NSR Spiderpeople, but I was thinking Miles would either be bass, keytar, or just vocals and not an instrument.

He did say in the movie that he would want to be in a band, but I don't know if he was ever shown playing or implied to play an instrument in the movies or comics (have not read the comics at all so if it's in there then I can't find it with a quick google search).

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erigold13261 · 4 months

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Rin uses it/its as a way to meme people. Hobie uses it/its as a way to liberate a “slur”. Shoko uses it/its as a way to express the detachment from its body and mind. Kento uses it/its as a way to open its mind and start healing. And they are all swag for it.

Hell yeah they are!

Also, I didn't realize we started using it/its for Kento! I must have forgotten that! Will start using he/it for Kento! I think they/them is also being used for it at times, so actually he/they/it Kento!

But yes, they are all very POG it/its users!

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erigold13261 · 8 months

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am i the only one who thinks kliff has been saying "chai tea" for so long despite growing up in malaysia

I actually personally see Kliff as growing up in South Korea! It's why him and Neon J became friends at some point (and probably why Neon met Martha as I can see Martha and Kliff being friends just because of both of them being Caucasian).

So I can still see Kliff calling it chai tea, especially if that's what his parents would have called it as that is a specific kind of tea in America, so his parents (who I see as Americans who moved to South Korea) would call it that and Kliff would have just called it that as well since he grew up with it.

He'd definitely get defensive about it if someone tried to call him out on it though lol. Basically saying it technically is a classification of tea, so even though it's literally "tea tea" saying "chai tea" is not completely incorrect. So yeah, he'd just do the "well actually-" thing.

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erigold13261 · 7 months

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Ooooo what if Miles in the NSpideR AU has sunflower eyes, kinda like Mayday or Neon J’s brother? (Rio has them too!)

"Sunflower Eyes"

This is what I was able to come up with! I might change Rio's color scheme, but this is what I could come up with (I used some screenshots of her and color picked stuff which gave me the purple/blue cool palette).

Their eyes are gonna be so annoying to draw over and over just like Mayday's, I just know it (but they look really good so I can't complain too much lol)

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erigold13261 · 5 months

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Wait what are Purl and Eloni during after the 10 year timeskip if they aren't in 1010?

Purl was the first of the Megastars to just outright quit. It was for their mental health as being an idol really fucked with their mind over the years and now they are on their healing journey.

They probably bunked with Ex-Jay for a bit and then moved in with West as Ex-Jay left NSR to be a more roaming band instead of being stuck in Vinyl City with just occasional outside concerts (the Megastars are basically tourist attractions so they can't really go on world tours or things like that, at least not more than one Megastar at a time).

Purl still makes music, but posts it online and under a pseudonym. Otherwise they are just hanging out and doing hobbies, helping West with his land, and waiting for Cyril to come back from tour to hang out together.

As for Eloni, she was the second to leave. She really just wanted to find herself and figure out who she was outside of 1010. I can see her traveling around or going to Korea to get in touch with that part of her culture (possibly staying at her grandparents house if they are still alive because over the time skip Neon would have reunited with them thanks to Martha and Aria).

She still comes back every so often and will stay at Barraca Mansion when doing so. Maybe visit Purl who barely comes into the city anymore or might spend a night or two with Zuke and Rin or May and Eve depending on the circumstances.

I also realized I forgot to mention Carna, Maragold, and Dew. So since I'm talking about 1010 might as well talk about them too.

Maragold is most likely at college by now, being around 19 at this point in their life. They live in their dorm while the semester is going on and then go back home when school's out.

Carna is living in an apartment either alone or possibly with Synthia (who got kicked out when he became of age). I can see Carna helping out Synthia mentally and emotionally after what his mother put him through all his life.

And Dew is living with either Yiruk, or Yiruk and Kayane. I think he and Haru would be dating at this point but he doesn't really get involved with the music side of things all that much. He instead plays on a few elemental teams for sports like football and rugby.

It's more of a hobby than a job but he doesn't really have to worry about getting a job thanks to his family (none of 1010 actually have to worry about money problems whether they are still in 1010 or not, and even if their own personal savings starts to dip, they have their family to help bail them out until they can get an actual job if they need to).

So yea! Purl is doing an indie solo career, Eloni is finding himself, Maragold is furthering their education, and Dew and Carna are kinda being bums and doing whatever they want with friends for the time.

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