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Bless you and thank you for the Acosf recaps, and taking one for the team. I read ACOTAR and found something deeply unsettling and low key infuriating about it. I was still curious about the series so I just looked up what happened in the following books, like I for some reason was waiting for the series to get better. I was really close to buying ACOSF because I quite liked Nesta, but then I read the preview with the first few chapters and saw how badly the treated Nesta and then to top it off I heard about everything surrounding the pregnancy, I quickly noped out of it x
bahaha i'm so glad my acosf live read helped! that's one reason i read it: to help others know what happened in it so they can avoid it themselves. the fact sj///m continues to publish books unchecked that contain shit like acosf is just. unreal.
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It's always interesting to look at sarah janet novels and how much of the problem really is lack of research.
Nesta being imprisoned in the house of wind: Nesta is an able-bodied woman who has none of the symptoms of withdrawal and is against all odds completely healthy physically. Going DOWN an enclosed spiral staircase, however many stairs it is, would not irl be a problem.
HOWEVER.
Because the author did basically zero research outside of what I assume was personal training to achieve western beauty standards instead of any strength or martial arts training (don't @ me, look at the diet they put Nesta on and the laughable descriptions of training), the BOOK posits that it is a nearly impossible task.
Ergo, while irl able-bodied and physically healthy (somehow) Nesta would be able to at the very least scoot down the steps on her ass, because Sarah Janet refused to give a shit we're stuck with the book's premise that the staircase is impossible to go down without significant physical conditioning.
So yeah. When I say Nesta should be able to get down those stairs, I mean IRL. That is a criticism of the author. When I say Feyre et al imprisoned Nesta in an impossible situation, that is a criticism of the characters given the framework of the novel.
The two can (and I think should) coexist.
#myth rags on a court of thorns and roses#myth and kat read acosf#I know it seems silly but I felt it was important to address
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Ok so Feyre has a smaller age gap with her son than she does with Rhys 😳
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Okay you know what would have been funny?
Amren not being anywhere near as old as she lets people think
"Amren what do you know about these storied ancient powers?!"
Amren: uuuuuuuuhhhhhh they are both storied and ancient and even I don't know what they do!
"Gosh they must be So Powerful and Lost to Time!"
Amren: yes. That exactly.
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"I can't risk this possibly deadly task because I'm pregnant, but I can and will risk the lives of my sisters! Obviously! Because a fetus is more important than any living woman including myself!"
I am genuinely dumbfounded by this. It's one thing for Feyre to say 'look, I want to have a kid and I am pregnant so I'm not going to risk it.' But "I can't because I'm pregnant. I'll risk either of you, though, don't care which, you're only my sisters!"
Seriously?!
Look I don't know. Maybe it's because Sarah Janet has 0 credibility or benefit of the doubt with me, but all I can think of is my cousin hiking the fuckin bavarian alps while heavily pregnant and my mother surveying marshes while heavily pregnant (eight months pregnant bay-bee) and I'm just like. What. You *can't*? Or you *do not want to*? It's a valid choice but combined with the reproductive abuse by Rhys later this just SMACKS of the poisonous and frankly evil idea that Having Children is the most important thing you can possibly do if you have a uterus, no matter what. It doesn't matter about your health, or your safety, or what you might want. Fetus Overrides All.
And maybe this is just a fundamental difference in viewpoint, idk, but the wellbeing of an extant human outweighs the possibility of a human to me.
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So quick question, technically didn’t Nesta unknowingly accept the bond and kinda got forced into being with Cassian? I forget the page number but when they’re arguing on the bridge Cassian mentions like ‘why do you think I had to leave?’ Or something like that?
Quick answer (lol) because I won't have a chance to comb through the books for a minute
I'm pretty sure that in acotar (correct me if I'm wrong, I have near encyclopedic knowledge of tog but not acotar atm) the mating bond sort of snaps into place whether you 'accept it' or not but you can opt out (unless the books tried to pull some bullshit with unconscious acceptance or something).
You can probably see this best with Feyre and Rhys. They are already mates before they know the other one technically exists (he can literally see through her eyes before they meet, though I'm going to hold off on the assumption that that means grooming because aside from painting a drawer with some stars there doesn't seem to have been any effects on Feyre. There's enough of that in these books that we don't need to grasp at straws to make this relationship more horrific and terrifying than it already is). It's fated. I don't know if sarah janet wanted to introduce some ambiguity or soft worldbuilding by offering different reasons for this (fate or powerful offspring)(if it's fate how do people opt out, if it's powerful offspring how are cis gay couples mates, etc etc) but unfortunately it doesn't jive with her writing style and anyway, it's Fated. For all the talk of opting out, not a single person actually has. Idk maybe we'll see with Elain but I don't have high hopes (and if she does, why is the only unambiguous man of color with a mate the one whose mating bond is opted out of by his delicate white lady mate).
I DIGRESS. Rhys and Feyre are already mates when they meet under the mountain. Rhys 'battles it' or whatever once he realizes it. Of course they get together.
So all of this to say: from the canon I recall, it's not so much accepting the bond as having the bond be the default and then having to actively work against it if you decide otherwise.
But yeah I think the book and the inner circle basically browbeat Nesta until she compliantly went to Cassian and submitted to him (romantically and sexually) and Rhys (governmentally...? How do I say this).
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I think I'm just stuck on why.
Like, why is Cassian the best choice to watch/help Nesta? She's made her distaste for him completely clear. He has zero influence on her as far as anyone can tell. She actively works to undermine him. He has no credentials when it comes to helping traumatized people. He's already sexually assaulted her once, and since Nesta has fae senses now she can smell that he actively wants to bang her every second.
There's just no reason for it aside from the author wanting them to bang. And tbh that would be fine for erotica and a stand alone novel, but for something that is touted as a grand healing and evolutionary journey and part of a series with so much baggage between these characters whose PoVs we have already been in it's just lazy.
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y'all remember how sj///m spends the entirety of ac0sf telling us that Mor knows what really happened That Night but refuses to tell anyone about it, therefore making her out to seem the villain while sj///m bends over backward to redeem Eris without actually telling us why he should, apparently, be redeemed, all at the expense of Mor the token lesbian's entire character (yet again)
and stans still try to argue she's feminist
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This Elain conversation is difficult for me to iron out, because on the one hand, Nesta is completely right - Elain has drunk the kool aide and decided that Rhys and Feyre are completely right in their treatment of Nesta, specifically because Nesta is sleeping around.
Elain, surprisingly, held her ground. “I wasn’t drinking myself into oblivion and—and doing those other things.”
“Fucking strangers?”
Elain flinched again, her face coloring.
Maas, Sarah J.. A Court of Silver Flames (A Court of Thorns and Roses) (p. 204). Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.
That’s not a good look, Sarah Janet.
I understand that someone who exhibits sudden different behavior might be someone you want to watch out for, especially if you are aware that they have PTSD, but Nesta isn’t endangering herself with the people she sleeps with. I mean, okay, she probably doesn’t practice safe sex (this is a Sarah Janet book) but no one else does either and that doesn’t seem to be the problem.
The problem is that Nesta is sleeping with someone other than Cassian. That is why the book uses all of these characters to shame her for having sex.
BUT THEN Nesta insults Elain by pointing out that she had sex with Graysen, to whom she was engaged at the time, as if that is questionable.
It was a low blow, but Nesta didn’t care. She knew Elain had given her maidenhead to Graysen a month before they’d been turned Fae. Elain had been glowing the next morning.
Maas, Sarah J.. A Court of Silver Flames (A Court of Thorns and Roses) (p. 204). Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.
If Elain was glowing the next morning, why is this an insult?
BUT MOVING ON.
Elain wrung her slender fingers, nails kept trimmed short for her work in the gardens. “I know the circumstances for your coming here were awful, Nesta, but it doesn’t mean you need to be so miserable about it.”
“I sat by your side for weeks,” Nesta said flatly. “Weeks, while you wasted away, refusing food and drink. While you appeared to hope you’d just wither and die.”
Elain flinched. But Nesta couldn’t stop the words from pouring out. “No one suggested you either shape up or be shipped back to the human lands.”
Maas, Sarah J.. A Court of Silver Flames (A Court of Thorns and Roses) (pp. 203-204). Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.
Nesta is right. Nobody suggested Elain ‘shape up’ because Elain was doing acceptably feminine grieving and trauma - ie, nothing that Rhys or Feyre had to actually deal with. Elain already made herself small. Elain has always made herself small, and that is why Elain remains loved by Feyre and Rhys.
“You still can barely talk to Nesta,” I said. “Yet Elain you can talk to nicely.”
“Elain is Elain.”
“If you blame one, you have to blame the other.”
“No, I don’t. Elain is Elain,” he repeated. “Nesta is … she’s Illyrian. I mean that as a compliment, but she’s an Illyrian at heart. So there is no excuse for her behavior.”
Maas, Sarah J.. A Court of Frost and Starlight (A Court of Thorns and Roses) . Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.
No, Rhys, what you really mean is, her behavior isn’t small and something you can shove in a corner. Nesta’s PTSD doesn’t manifest itself in mourning prettily in a garden, or ‘romantically’ (don’t @ me, Rhys and Feyre have a magic suicide pact) considering throwing herself from windows.
Anyway, what actually really breaks my heart about this entire scene is this:
Elain crossed her arms and said calmly, sadly, “Feyre warned me this might happen.”
Maas, Sarah J.. A Court of Silver Flames (A Court of Thorns and Roses) (p. 204). Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.
This isn’t even a condemnation of Elain. This is an abused girl drinking the kool-aide. Elain and Feyre have allowed men to rule their lives (Rhys to Elain via Feyre). Elain and Feyre are, despite everything else and for lack of a better word, feminine in their trauma.
Nesta is not, so Nesta has to be punished and beaten into it.
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Nesta faced Helion again, taking in that spiked golden crown and the draped white robe. “Was that your winged horse that flew over earlier?”
Helion’s smile was a thing of cultivated beauty. “He is my finest stallion.”
“He’s lovely.”
“As are you.”
Nesta angled her head as Cassian found himself near-breathless, waiting for her reply. Feyre and Rhys seemed to be trying not to laugh, and Azriel was the portrait of cool boredom.
Nesta surveyed Helion for long enough that he shifted on his feet. A High Lord shifted on his feet under her gaze. She said at last, “I appreciate the compliment,” and that was that.
That pause while she’d surveyed Helion had been a courtier’s pause. Assessing how best to strike.
Helion frowned slightly.
what is sj///m trying to achieve with these kinds of scenes (of which there are too many)? like, i’m genuinely wondering that bc i cannot for the life of me figure out what she’s trying to go for. is she trying to showcase the arrogance of High Lords? seems unlikely, given they’re her lords and saviors. is she trying to show how Nesta has grown? equally unlikely since Nesta has been talking to High Lords like this the whole time. is she trying to show how Cassian wants Nesta and won’t accept any other High Lord being nice to her? it’s possible but Cassian would consider an inanimate chair whose pattern only faintly resembles a face a threat bc it deigned to put its gaze on Nesta.
so what is it, then? istg with every book i feel like sj///m is trying to tell us without telling us that she is paid by word
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A Terrible No Good Very Bad Thought just occured to me
In light of Rhys' constant assurances that it will always be people's choices to do whatever while literally ensuring the opposite and/or mind controlling people, and in light of how Nesta got tossed into the library, and in light of how well Rhys handles anyone's trauma other than his own...
How voluntary is the residence of the women in the library?
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He said with soft fury, “It took me ten years before I was able to face it. What I’d done to those people, and what I’d lost. Ten years.”
As always, in these books men have to deal with what they've done and women have to deal with what has been done to them.
Dealing with the two are not the same thing.
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His eyes flared with cold light. “So I destroyed them. Anyone who wasn’t responsible—children and some females and the elderly—I let them leave. But anyone who had played a role in her suffering … I made them suffer in return. Rhys and Azriel helped me. Found the piece of shit who’d sired me. I let my brothers tear him apart before I finished him.”
This is going to sound so terrible but I need y'all to know that I literally laughed at this because of course. "Oh I didn't kill the kids or the elderly or 'some' females if they didn't have a role in her suffering' sir I don't think you could possibly know who didn't have a role in her suffering and I also think it's hilarious that once again someone clued Sarah Janet into our problems with her so virtuous protagonists, re: threatening to/murdering children enough that she was like 'oh yeah no totally Cassian has DEFINITELY only murdered people who deserved it'
Because like. You want to know who played a role in your mother's suffering, Cassian? Rhys. He has all the power and chooses not to exercise it.
Just saying.
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i’m still pissed that we’re supposed to be okay with faerug not being allowed to shift into the form that would 100% protect her not only during the pregnancy but also in labor bc there is a risk—a risk—that shifting now might—MIGHT— harm the baby. it’s not a guarantee that shifting forms will hurt the baby, but it is a guarantee that it will protect faerug.
and we’re supposed to just be okay with that, and with riceman not telling faerug, and with riceman telling Cassian and Azriel to not say a thing about it to her, and with the healer for not telling faerug the whole goddamn truth
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oh for fuck’s sake. here’s Nesta telling faerug about all of them lying about the baby killing faerug, and naturally Nesta is supposed to be the one at fault:
Nesta snarled, but Feyre stepped between them, hands raised. “This conversation ends now. Nesta, go back to the House. Amren, you …” She hesitated, as if considering the wisdom of ordering Amren around. Feyre finished carefully, “You stay here.”
Nesta let out a low laugh. “You are her High Lady. You don’t need to cater to her. Not when she now has less power than any of you.”
Feyre’s eyes blazed. “Amren is my friend, and has been a member of this court for centuries. I offer her respect .”
“Is it respect that she offers you?” Nesta spat. “Is it respect that your mate offers you?”
Feyre went still.
Amren warned, “Don’t you say one more fucking word, Nesta Archeron.”
Feyre asked, “What do you mean?”
And Nesta didn’t care. Couldn’t think around the roaring. “Have any of them told you, their respected High Lady, that the babe in your womb will kill you?”
Amren barked, “Shut your mouth!”
But her order was confirmation enough. Face paling, Feyre whispered again, “What do you mean?”
“The wings,” Nesta seethed. “The boy’s Illyrian wings will get stuck in your Fae body during the labor, and it will kill you both.”
Silence rippled through the room, the world.
Feyre breathed, “Madja just said the labor would be risky. But the Bone Carver…The son he showed me didn’t have wings.” Her voice broke. “Did he only show me what I wanted to see?”
“I don’t know,” Nesta said. “But I do know that your mate ordered everyone not to inform you of the truth.” She turned to Amren. “Did you all vote on that, too? Did you talk about her, judge her, and deem her unworthy of the truth? What was your vote, Amren?To let Feyre die in ignorance?” Before Amren could reply, Nesta turned back to her sister. “Didn’t you question why your precious, perfect Rhysand has been a moody bastard for weeks? Because he knows you will die. He knows, and yet he still didn’t tell you.”
Feyre began shaking. “If I die…” Her gaze drifted to one of her tattooed arms. She lifted her head, eyes bright with tears as she asked Amren, “You…all of you knew this?”
Amren threw a withering glare in Nesta’s direction, but said, “We did not wish to alarm you. Fear can be as deadly as any physical threat.”
“Rhys knew?” Tears spilled down Feyre’s cheeks, smearing the paint splattered there. “About the threat to our lives?” She peered down at herself, at the tattooed hand cradling her abdomen.
And Nesta knew then that she had not once in her life been loved by her mother as much as Feyre already loved the boy growing within her.
It broke something in Nesta—broke that rage, that roaring—seeing those tears begin to fall, the fear crumpling Feyre’s paint-smeared face.
She had gone too far. She…Oh, gods.
Amren said, “I think it is best, girl, if you speak to Rhysand about this.”
Nesta couldn’t bear it—the pain and fear and love on Feyre’s face as she caressed her stomach.
Amren growled at Nesta, “I hope you’re content now.”
Nesta didn’t respond. Didn’t know what to say or do with herself. She simply turned on her heel and ran from the apartment.
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"She'll never attain the cauldron. No one but [at least ten people] know where it is"
A secret is only a secret if only one person knows iiiiiiiiit
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