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thesherrinfordfacility · 22 days

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have any of the angels directly interacted with the metatron, even in heaven? ive seen a couple of posts asking how crowley and saraqael recognise the metatron, and why aziraphale and the others don't. seems like aziraphale recognises the metatron purely based on crowley's description-

-as opposed to his memory being jogged, and him suddenly recognising the metatron for himself. as it is, we know that michael and uriel also do not recognise him without being told by aziraphale, so we can reliably deduct that there is some disconnect between the floating head 'true form' the metatron takes in heaven, and the humanoid form he's taking in the bookshop. aziraphale doesn't make the link, and neither do the archangels.

so why is crowley - and saraqael, if their nervous disposition when michael is chatting shit is anything to go by - able to recognise him in this form? how are they able to make the link between the true from, and this one? what is there to recognise?

i think that's potentially more the question - not why the others didn't recognise him, but instead why these two did. what is possibly in common between them, but not the others?

it might be that crowley recognises him by something other than sight (re: he can sense when aziraphale is on earth and when he isn't) but that again wouldn't make sense to me; why do the archangels not recognise him in the same way, from gabriel's trial that ostensibly only occurred a few days ago? unless it's a demon trait... but then that doesn't explain saraqael.

is it voice? unknown, possibly... but raises the same question of why the archangels and aziraphale didnt recognise him.

so idk, but my only thought/theory at this time is that it's linked to memory. as in; the physical capability of it. there may perhaps be something inherent about the metatron that ensures that angels can't remember him, or more specifically can't store the memory of him? or, alternatively, it's mandatory that after each interaction, this part of their memory is manually removed?

something that they wouldn't be able to do to crowley - a demon - or to saraqael because... well, someone seems to be in charge of erasing memories, right?

#good omens #metatron spec #memory wipe theory #saraqael spec #is rhi back in her meta era? lets hope not!

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flamingthespian · 4 months

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Idea: Sebastian is trans, Sam and Sebastian are dating and have been since before seb came out, which happened while kent was deployed. So when kent left for war he knew his teenage son had a “girlfriend,” and when he comes back, his young adult son now has a boyfriend, and he doesn’t realize it’s the same person, so he’s like, “why did Sam never write to me about breaking up with that girl or coming out as queer and starting to date this guy,” and doesn’t understand why Sam’s new boyfriend that he’s never met is acting somewhat familiar with him

#tal talks #Stardew valley #Sam Stardew #Sebastian Stardew #sambastian #Kent Stardew #I might write a silly little fic about this ideas #like where Kent just gets increasingly more confused and eventually comes to the conspiracy theory that Sam’s ‘girlfriend’ died #under mysterious circumstances and it was covered up #Kent: son please tell me the truth what happened to your first girlfriend #Sam: dad Sebastian is literally the first and only person I’ve ever dated #Kent: SON PLEASE DID THEY WIPE YOUR MEMORY IS IT ALIENS IS IT THE GOVERNMENT #also: natural redhead seb headcanon where he also dyed his hair black during the same time period #making him look even more different than he did before

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fearandhatred · 5 months

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the funniest thing ever would be if my muriel is god theory becomes canon in s3. i think it would be genuinely hilarious

#fearandhatred #like we all know they were probably memory wiped as well #and we all also know that this theory makes absolutely no sense #and that is why it's funny as hell #listen i'm sure there's a way to explain why the voice of god in season 1 doesn't sound like muriel #and it would explain why the metatron is doing literally everything. HEAR ME OUT #good omens #good omens season 2 #muriel

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bugskid · 8 months

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Guys i have a theory

People keep talking about how much they mention memory wiping this series and I definitely think that’s important - i just dont think people are applying it to the right character.

Because Gabriels one downfall that led him to be demoted was that he didn’t want another armageddon. and what was the entire plot of the first series/book? Crowley and Aziraphale Stopping Armageddon.

Obviously heaven doesn’t want that to happen again with the second coming - that would make it seem like theres some sort of institutional problem. So even if they don’t fully wipe his memory, they might remove little bits and pieces.

#im not saying i dont believe the crowley having his memory wiped theory #cause i think that ones really good #good omens meta #is that how you use that tag #idek #aziraphale #crowley #good omens #good omens 2 #good omens s2 #good omens s2 spoilers

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itsyourstarboy · 9 months

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Baby 2.0 is in a psych ward, just so y'all know.

Ivan really fucked them up.

#i don't care if their memories were wiped they are TRAUMATIZED #y'all ever heard about Sherman Sizemore?#very tragic what happened to him may he rest in peace #but just because there are no memories of what happened does not mean the brain has forgotten #trauma literally rewires your brain #anyway thats my 5 am angst i had to share today #poor Baby 2.0 #redacted audio #redactedverse #redacted headcanons #i have to tag as headcanon because we don't actually know where they are >:(#redacted theories #redacted baby #redacted baby 2.0 #redacted ivan #redacted angst

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commonmexicanname · 7 months

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Good Omens Thoughts

Your honor, in the matter of maybe Crowley's memory wasn't wiped, I'd like to submit the following into evidence:

"Angels are like bees. […] Once you're inside… Well, I mean…" Proceeds to walk by two higher ranking angels unnoticed.

Look at that smug. The smug of someone who was proven right. Crowley knew they weren't going to notice him because he "doesn't matter". He's just "another low ranking angel". How else would he have known that unless he himself acted the exact same way?

He got his proof that nothing has changed in Heaven in the past 6000+ years. And so, "I haven't always been a demon, and they never change their passwords."

In this head canon of mine, his memory didn't get wiped. He still knows how heaven works. He was just a high ranking angel full of himself who didn't bother knowing or remembering lower ranking angels. (Or just an angel who never took the time to know his fellow angels because he was too busy with his singular brain cell making the one thing he was created to do. Thus, making him seem like he was full of himself.) Just like Gabriel, Michael and Uriel. The only thing that made him different was his passion to create, his curiosity, and his love for the universe. His little engineer heart.

The fall humbled him. Literally brought him down from having his heads in the clouds.

It's why he didn't bother introducing himself to Az the first time they met, but does at the wall. Probably also why he felt safe slithering over to him at the wall. Az is an angel he remembered being kind to him and warning him about Heaven, "peek your head out of your clouds", before the fall.

The madness comes from watching this too many times:

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magicalgrimm · 10 months

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A blast from the past (and by that i mean a traumatic near death experience.)

Bonus:

#grimmz art #villainous #villanos #villainous cn #dr flug #miss heed #villainous dr flug #villainous miss heed #I low key keep forgetting she nearly died from dehydration cause she got the worst super power #seriously tho what is peace’s plan with this girl after what she did?#are they going to wipe her memories and force her back into society or just straight up kill her and leave no evidence of her existence?#sorry for tagging theories peace as a company frustrates me but also intrigues me??#flug looks like he’s just a leg in that last panel

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canadiancryptid · 1 month

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One of my favorite things to think about when it comes to modern fantasy type stories is wonder how the supernatural elements may have influenced myths, legends or aspects of history. In a world that seems just like ours, there are so many little butterfly effects that things like magic or mysterious tech could have caused.

Infinity Train has a bunch of these. The Train picking people up would have definitely influenced history, but I like to think about how the existance of the Mirror World would have influenced things like the existance of vampire stories.

As seen with Tulip at the end if Book 1, if a Reflection ever left their post, their Prime would stop showing up in mirrors. If just a few reflections started to go rogue in the right time period, and people notice thier absence, coming to conclusions based on religious stuff and superstition, then all of a sudden you've got people being wrongfully accused of being a vampire. Over time, stories spread, and a case of a handfull of runaway reflections leaves the common story of vampires not appearing in mirrors.

A similar situation could apply to ghost stories. A Reflection runs off after their Prime dies, before the Flecs can take them to have their memories wiped and get assigned to a new Prime. Having grown attached to the family and friends their Prime left behind, they hang around for a while, watching from afar. Someone catches a glimpse of something that looks like someone who died... boom, ghost story.

Reflection Enforcement, of course, would use this sort of thing happening as an excuse to tighten their grip and use more force to keep any rebellious reflections in line. Eventually, nobody in the Mirror World still remembers a time when the Flecs didn't just jump to sanding at the first offense.

How often do mirrors seem to come up with in stories in relation to souls and spirits? How often do mirrors get used as a way to see into or travel to other worlds? How many stories in this alternate world were directly tied to reflections trying to do the same thing Lake did?

Really fun worldbuilding stuff to think about, and that's just a small part of the series. How did the Train itself change history? What events played out differently? Did it change things for the better? Or did it just make them a different kind of bad?

#infinity train #cryptid says stuff #if you really wanna think about it you could say the mirror world DOES exist in our universe and that's exactly how it happened for us too #infinity train mirror world #I have SO many thoughts about the implications of the mirror world that come back into my head every few months I cannot escape it #and just about how reflections work in general because MIRROR ONE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DRINK HIS PRIME DOESN'T HAVE A MOUTH #I have so many theories about it and the train in general gonna be hyperfixating on that again for a bit apparently #I could probably do a whole rant on just the implications of reflections needing to have their memories wiped when their prime dies #might have done so already but I don't think I ever posted it

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baeshijima · 9 months

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MC PAST STELLARON HUNTER CONFIRMED??????????

#may the stars guide you <3 #THE SCREAM I SCREAMT????? HELLO #HONKAI STAR RAIL DEVS WHAT IS THIS ARE U CONFIRMING THE THEORIES WE WERE ONCE A STELLARON HUNTER BEFORE OUR MEMORY WIPE??????????????#IM GOING INSANE IM GOING INSANE IM GOING INSANE IM GOING INSANE IM GOING INSAME IMNKA

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demonic-mnemonic · 9 months

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(EDIT: I'm going to leave the main text of the original theory as is, but I did want to just add that I don't think the original reasoning of how memories are getting lost necessarily holds up considering what we already know about the angels' ability to erase memories and the fact that Metatron is in this up to his eyeballs. But what I am still sure of is that memories are being erased, and not just in the present)

I just had a fun thought. What if Crowley and Aziraphale's 25 lazari miracle was so ridiculously overpowered that it didn't JUST work on Gabriel. What if they overshot the mark so badly that it just started affecting random other people to varying degrees and THAT'S why there are some characters that some people don't seem to remember fuck all about meeting.

What if it doesn't always affect everyone the same and THAT'S why, when every other angel in the room straight up forgot who the fucking Metatron was, Crowley (and I'm pretty damn sure Saraquiel, but that's a whole other conversation) still recognized him.

What if it started to affect people in unintended ways? What if it started to affect not only someone's ability to retain memories of a specific person, but started being able to affect their other memories too?

We still haven't talked about how Muriel, a fucking scrivener, does not seem to know how to read anymore in the present day.

Her entire job, her entire existence in heaven revolves around reading and writing and keeping records and she almost never gets to see or interact with any other angels except for once every couple of centuries when someone wants something from her. This is an angel who has spent millennia with only her books and records to keep her company. She has probably read more than every other entity in existence combined, and she still clearly has a deep love and affinity for books...

But when she tells Metatron that she's reading a book, she uses air quotes. Not reading a book, but "reading" a book. She's so drawn to books, the desire is there, but the knowledge is gone.

What else is being forgotten? Who else is losing pieces of their memories and themselves?

What if Crowley and Aziraphale are starting to lose memories of their history together piece by piece? Even worse, what if it isn't even confined to the present?

If their memories of their time together were to be damaged or lost early enough in their history, if each time they met they misremembered or couldn't remember the time before... It would affect the way they approached one another every single time. It would alter their entire timeline. Their entire history together could be wiped out without a trace. Or worse.

And there are signs. Subtle ones mostly, the faintest glimmers. A fleeting sense that something isn't quite right, that passes so quickly you're not even sure you didn't just imagine it. But there is one in particular that's slightly more there than the others. A tiny crack instead of a glimmer, so faint you don't even notice it at first, but once you do you can't unsee it.

Remember when Crowley and Aziraphale are working out how to give Job and Sithis their children back without letting an audience of onlooking angels know that they're giving them their exact same children back? Bildad the Shuhite antics ensue, we all have a good laugh at Gabriel's dead set conviction that the human reproductive system consists entirely of ribs, Crowley pokes a little light fun about how he needs to be on his toes under the eyes of an expert, it's a good time. But the thing is...what if he was? What if Gabriel was an expert on human birth?

Here's a fun fact. You know how many times Gabriel shows up in the Bible specifically to discuss someone's womb? Twice. On two separate occasions this angel is sent to Earth for the express purpose of womb related discussions with someone. I mean technically the discussions were more about who was going to be coming out of said wombs, but still. The womb is directly mentioned both times. And when he's talking to Mary he explicitly mentions conception.

He damn well used to know how the human birth process works. Who knows, maybe even enough to be considered an expert. Maybe that's why he was the one chosen to deliver those messages. One thing is for certain though, at the very least he was familiar with conception and he knew what a womb was and understood its role in childbirth. So what happened? Did he just not learn about any of that until after the events with Job?

Or did he have that knowledge all along, only to have it taken from him by something that wouldn't even be set in motion until centuries later?

What if that enormous surge of miraculous energy sent a backlash cascading unchecked throughout history, doing things they never meant it to do, now entirely unpredictable, capable of doing anything from making someone forget the name of an old acquaintance to washing away entire swaths of memories that are intrinsic to who they are? Eroding them away like a river, little by little, until eventually they're barely even an echo of who they once were, an empty shell of their former self.

The expert on human birth who can't remember exactly how it all works, but remembers God doing something with a rib once, and so he clings to that. The scrivener who's still inexorably drawn to books, to the written word, even though she no longer remembers quite how to decipher them, only that she loves them.

Maybe even an angel and a demon, the love and trust and devotion that they built over the course of 6000 years, that has outlasted every empire ever built, strong enough to withstand the wrath of heaven and hell combined, its roots as old as humanity itself and older.... torn down brick by brick even as the foundations were being laid.

Empty houses, almost remembering where the things used to be. Looking at where the furniture isn't

#I STARTED THIS POST AS A FUCKING JOKE #like oh teehee wouldn't it be so funny if the Ineffable husbands accidentally memory wiped every other angel they know en masse #and had to adopt an entire gaggle of Jims until they figured out how the fuck to undo it? haha #and now i am in SHAMBLES #good omens s2 #good omens s2 spoilers #gos2 spoilers #good omens meta #good omens speculation #Ineffable amnesiacs theory

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heyo-428 · 8 months

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A new TBONA theory

(or maybe just a thought not sure how to classify)

(Spoilers!!)

Okay, so I was just thinking of the end of the book (I mean, when aren’t I? Its consumed my mind since I read it) and I had a thought.

When Jacks is deciding he’s going back in time to save Evangeline, Honora Valor says that if he does Time will take something equally important and then he says that nothing is of equal value. This means that thing Time would need to take from him is Evangeline. Who was taken from him at the end? Evangeline when she lost her memory of him. (Yes, I’m slow and just connected these dots)

I’ve seen the theories of Apollo being Lysander Valor and I think it’s a great possibility if not exactly what’s going to happen. In the case it is true, I think that Time decided to take Evangeline from Jacks for messing with it and the best way for it to do that was have Apollo erase Evangeline’s memory of Jacks entirely. (or maybe Apollo’s just a big dick and im reading into too much-)

What does this mean though? It means that in acftl for Jacks to get Evangeline back he’s going to have to go against Time. Time is also probably affecting the timeline the best it can to keep Jacks from Evangeline. And I know Jacks will go against Time to get her back (he better)

#Whoever thought of the Apollo being Lysander Valor theory first is absolutely genius i’m too stupid to think of that #I cant believe I just realzied that Evangeline had her memories wiped so that she would be taken from Jacks for f-ing up the timeline #tbona #ouabh #evajacks #acftl #evangeline fox #jacks prince of hearts #stephanie garber

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thesherrinfordfacility · 15 days

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edit 16/04: pouring one out for the bullet theory, you were fun whilst you lasted babes x

okay ive remained sceptical about the 'something in the mouth' thoughts making the rounds but you know what, i love a batshit theory (exactly how batshit, remains to be seen - im fully prepared to eat my words) as much as anyone, so let's take a look.

first off, i truly just thought it might have been a wee bit of slobber. that's fair, right? saliva on aziraphale's tongue, catches the light, whatever. but it's the frame before that one that has me wondering how much weight the theory has:

because in that first one, just as aziraphale's mouth opens, you can see that there is - what looks like - a dark, round object. it doesn't match the surrounding colour and texture of aziraphale's tongue, and then in the next few frames it catches the light in the same exact spot. the highlight is also curved, in such a way that, yeah, it definitely looks like a metallic object.

i know im not breaking new ground when suggesting it contains memories. idk if the object itself is:

a bullet from the rifle in 1941 (although i do doubt it; the calibre it would take would be rather unwieldy to hold in your mouth like this? plus: copper plating - this looks to be steel)

a pistol round from the hitherto-unseen derringer (more likely than the above, and in terms of potential significance of s3 would fit rather nicely in with a 1941 spec of mine regardless: potential crowley discorporation but. it's purely hypothetical), or

a ball bearing (which seems like it would just be a bit anomalous in terms of what props we've seen so far, but who knows. and i feel like if any prop was going to be at most risk of being swallowed accidentally, it's this)

but my current favourite is the derringer round so far. which would indicate that if - big if - crowley were discorporated in 1941, he could potentially have the bullet on him that 'killed' him, so to speak, for the time that follows afterwards.

i'll come back to what memories would be contained within it in a sec, because first, there's the question of whether aziraphale accessed them. if this theory is true (im fully taking this all with a pinch of salt, idk how i actually feel about it yet), i think aziraphale probably accessed them right then and there, as soon as crowley kissed him.

as soon as crowley kisses him, aziraphale looked mighty confused - arguably because of the kiss itself (im predominantly in this camp for the moment), but also possibly because he's just been volleyed something in this wild-ass game of tonsil tennis - before he begins to relax into it. potentially, as he relaxed, that could be when the memories first begin to 'play'.

and then we have the video below - sharpened and at 0.2x speed - that captures after the kiss breaks:

there's a moment, after his mouth presumably is handling around said object and sliding it under his tongue, that his expression clears, and - im sorry, but i'll die on this hill - instead takes on a look of betrayal. it's almost a realisation, a near instantaneous revelation. so let's say he does access the memories during the kiss, has been 'watching' them since the kiss first made contact/the object switched over... what would make aziraphale take on that expression, and react in betrayal and with an 'i forgive you'?

well, i have my thoughts, but let's go back again to the kiss itself. y'all remember this, right?

it suddenly feels a liiiiittle more deliberate that a) aziraphale would reach for crowley's wings, and b) the camera would capture this particular angle. maybe it's not, but again - humour me a sec.

so in terms of what the memory is? that crowley would place inside said object, would make aziraphale reach for crowley's wings, and result in aziraphale's initial upset and then expression of betrayal? the damning "i forgive you", and crowley's responding look of dejection and resignation, followed by "don't bother"? the memory that crowley would see fit to impart in the context of aziraphale choosing to return to heaven - the memory that would fit the scenes that have come before the kiss?

im wondering if it was the fall.

aziraphale sees crowley's fall, responds in sympathy and sadness in the back touch, but then perhaps remembers now/knows now the potential part crowley had to play in it.

now, it could be crowley's own account of the fall that he watches, sure. but we haven't seen that as a possible mechanic in the show - being able to access someone else's memories. we've only seen gabriel accessing his own. but that doesn't preclude that it's possible. however, that would suggest that crowley himself now can't remember his fall etc, which would be weird and potentially open too many loopholes.

alternatively, as others have put forward and would be logical, crowley accessed the records whilst in heaven and found that aziraphale's memories were incomplete. that, for me, would be the more plausible, because im not convinced that aziraphale does remember the fall. he makes references to crowley having 'been an angel once', and that he remembers 'the angel you were', and frankly it's all a little loosy-goosey. it would make wider narrative sense, too, that aziraphale can't remember - heaven doesn't want dissent to become an institutional problem, after all; so what do you do? you wipe away the crucial information that would give the angels any ideas in rebelling just like the fallen did.

if crowley did in fact have something to do with the genesis of the rebellion in heaven, instigated it or played an active, crucial part in it... and aziraphale can't remember that... maybe that is where the 'i forgive you' originates. and why crowley would reply with 'dont bother'. he attempts to make aziraphale understand why he can't go back, and why aziraphale shouldn't go back either, but all aziraphale can now concentrate on is the part that crowley had to play in it... the part that, for good reason, crowley has kept from him all this time.

again, idk how i feel about all this, but i do have to eat humble pie on my initial reservations about the narrative value of the theory and admit that it's compelling. especially as it would have aziraphale return to heaven with full understanding as to what heaven did in cause of, leading up to, and in response to, the rebellion - knowledge that presumably the metatron does not know he has... dangerous for the metatron especially, when you consider that he may have had a bigger hand in it than aziraphale previously thought.

#good omens #feral domestic/final fifteen meta #memory wipe theory #the fall/the great war spec #props meta

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echo-stimmingrose · 10 months

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Soooooo, my mom has been getting calls from our insurance company over and over again, wanting to talk to me about programs they have for me....?

Well they wouldn't tell my mom what they were talking about and she didn't let them talk to me cause I'm a minor and what not.

Well they kept calling and the same thing. But today! Today, we get a letter in the mail addressed to me, again talking about these "programs" they have for me.

It's because they think I'm PREGNANT!!! XD

So we've been laughing at that all day and my uncle and I have come up with some theories as to why I'm apparently a gay virgin Mary. (A virgin Echo if you will)

1) Zeus. It seems like I have insulted him one too many times and that last rainfall we had was actually his golden shower that he uses to impregnate people. So I'm probably gonna start getting chased by cows or turn into one.

2) Loki's fucking with me. This might be hilarious to him, he does seem like the type to fuck with a insurance company. This is most definitely the preferable option, I can deal with a little trickster god. As long as I don't turn into a horse I think I'm safe.

Or

3) Apollo is involved somehow. It makes sense, of course Apollo would fall in love with a lesbian, especially a mortal. Not sure but if I turn into a plant this case is closed.

#im not pregnant btw. idk wtf our insurance company is on or where they got that info.#zeus #loki #apollo #if you have any other theories let me know #hera #greek mythology #norse mythology #its funny #lesbian #hyacinthus #daphne #if its apollo he definitely wiped my memories in attempt to save me from some horrible fate.#if its zeus then im screwed. i really didn't feel like pissing off the queen of the gods

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nerdpiggy · 4 months

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anyways because i never saw The Incident in my playthrough I came up with my own theories for why Siffrin hates croissants. My leading theory was that the Island was kinda shaped like one, or maybe the name of the country was similar, and looking at one brought him a lot of grief and frustration memory-wise. This was before I knew the timeline of exactly when the disappearance of the Island happened, so I had assumed it happened at some point during sif's adventure with Mira & co. and that's why his attitude toward them suddenly flipped one day. i now know my Croissant Country theory doesn't make any sense in regards to the timeline, and it's also just straight-up Not True, but I still imagine the Island to be croissant-shaped.

#or crescent-shaped to maintain the Universe theming #I also imagined that the island was not just wiped from memory but also just like physically Gone #but i've learned that is also not true.#isat #isat spoilers #but that's just a theory. a-- wait am i not allowed to make this joke anymore

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priestessofpaimon-old · 1 year

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Abyss Twin's Memories and The Wiping

"Akasha Pulses, the Kalpa Flame Rises" was an amazing quest. It was a great ending to the longest to date Archon Quest (five acts!). With it, a lot of bombshells were revealed. One of these has to do with Iruminsul and the nature of memories in Teyvat.

Essentially, all that happens in Teyvat is collected by the ley-lines and recorded in Iruminsul. But this does come with caveats and certain conditions.

Only people who are originally apart of Teyvat are recorded. This means that there are no records of The Traveler in Iruminsul. People of Teyvat know about them, but in the records of Iruminsul they don't show up.

Another thing is that memories can be wiped. This was shown when Nahida destroyed the memory of Greater Lord Rukkhadevata to save the world tree. If something in Iruminsul is wiped, then the whole of Teyvat is effected. People won't remember and history is literally rewritten.

Only the Descenders, beings that come from other worlds (like The Traveler), aren't affected by this. But for some reason our sibling is recorded. In fact, according to Nahida they are apart of this world.

This brings up some interesting theories, is the life before The Twins came to Teyvat a huge lie? Had The Traveler's own memories been affected? Or is it something else?

Personally, don't think The Traveler's memories have been tapered with. While it would be an interesting idea, (just imagine the drama and angst). If what Nahida says is true about The Traveler not being in Iruminsul's records and them being a Descender, (and that there aren't other things left out) then probably not.

Rather, I think it's the Abyss Twin's memories that were affected.

The Unknown God clearly did something to them when the Twins were trying to leave. Whether it's locking their powers away like the Traveler's or something else. That something was making them apart of Tevyat and in turn being recorded in Iruminsul.

Reasons for this maybe because our Twin may have found something out. Perhaps forbidden knowledge in the similar vein as in "Before Sun and Moon" or maybe a even bigger secret. Since they originally aren't from Teyvat they would still remember it, even if it was wiped from Iruminsul.

Reconsigning the threat this could pose, The Heavenly Principles decided to not only prevent them from leaving but to also make them become apart of Teyvat's history. This way they could rid of what ever they found out, keeping their secrets and as well as keeping tabs on a powerful Descender.

This would explain why Nahida said that our "...sibling suddenly appeared in Khaenri'ah". Because that is when they were entered into Iruminsul. They have been awake for a while before then, possible even living in Khaenri'ah before the Cataclysm.

As for why their records became "fuzzy", I think this has to do with the Abyss. Since the Abyss isn't apart of Teyvat, what ever happens there may not be recorded in Iruminsul. That would also explain why we were able to even find "Before the Sun and Moon", because it wasn't affected by the wiping of history. Remember, it's not only memories that are affected by wiping but physical things as well like books. So if something or someones are in the Abyss during said wiping, they won't be affected.

So our twin, possible from seeing what had happened during the cataclysm, decided to join the abyss against The Divine (that could also be when they had that falling out with Dainsleif).

This may also explain why Celestia haven't moved against the Abyss Order, they may not fully know what's happening down there (although, I suspect they may have other means of keeping track of them).

I assume the reason why the traveler wasn't made a 'citizen' was because they didn't know about it the secret and they may have decided it was best just to put them in a eternally slumber (well try to anyway).

I also believe that even though their memories were wiped, our twin knows they where changed. Either someone told them about the nature of Iruminsul or they realised that they remembered things that Teyvat did not as a by-product of being in the abyss.

That's why they say "...you will see for yourself the true nature of this world". This isn't just a call for action for us to explore Teyvat but it could be because we maybe the only ones who can find out the truth. Because we aren't recorded into Iruminsul like them.

They are asking us to find the truth, and hopefully put a stop to the heavens.

#genshin impact #genshin #lumine #aether #the traveler #abyss twin #iruminsul #teyvat #genshin theory #genshin spoilers #pheww a long one hehe #remember this is just a theory soo it's not perfect #but im fairly confident in most of my points #especially about how the abyss isn't affected by memory wipe #long post #paimons essay

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heyclickadee · 7 months

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Okay, but it’d be really funny if Tech actually was in the season three teaser they showed at Celebration, but he was just in the Clone X armor—not because he’s been clone x’d (listen, I’ll take if it it means he’s alive and recoverable, but it is my least favorite of the Tech lives theories), but because after he fell and snuck off Eriadu he snuck into Rex’s base and stole the armor they got off of the OG Clone X so he could sneak around. And by ‘funny’ I mean that I will need to wander into the woods and yell at the trees for an hour if it turns out to be the case.

Edit: Okay, I googled “clone x” to see if I could find a screenshot of Clone X from the teaser and check his posture, but this is the first thing that came up:

I’m dying now.

#the bad batch #tech lives #I don’t think this is the case but if it is #I’m biting something #okay quick theory about clone x though #I’m starting to think that he wasn’t a clone #who had his memory wiped #he recognized Rex #he wasn’t an empty drone #he was a zealot #I’m wondering if he was ever part of the GAR in the first place #or if he was sent to Hemlock right off the bat #like Emerie was

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