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Darth Marr: You‘ll need a new weapon….for a new age….
Satele Shan: Yes, we left pieces in this valley for you…collect them and bring them to this altar…
Vada: This is…just a gun.
Satele Shan: Ok yes, but it‘s a very special force gun. Trust me.
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Don't worry, this is a completely normal thing for a smuggler to do. Nothing supernatural going on here ;)
#swtor#star wars the old republic#swtor fanart#cathar#swtor oc#smuggler#swtor smuggler#kotfe spoilers#kotet spoilers#swtor spoilers#derras perdez#galactic gunslinger's ocs#galactic gunslinger's art#i think abt the kotfe/kotet expansions so much#the angst is just *chef's kiss*
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- I’ve sacrificed too much to be met with silence.
- Silence is all you’re going to get.
#swtor#swtor kotfe#swtor oc#swtor gifs#arcann tirall#jedi knight#swtor arcann#swtor jedi knight#star wars the old republic#kotfe#kotfe spoilers#swtor:caspian#kem oc#kem gifs#i went feral over this part#being able to SAY that to his FACE#Cas doesn't hate many people#but he hated Arcann almost as much as Valkorion
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I just think it’s devastating bc it’s canon that it was Arcann who went and brought Vaylin back from Nathema, and during KOTFE if you watch all the cutscenes, even when he’s losing his temper he has a moment where he pauses and tells Vaylin that he’s “not blaming her” for all that’s going down, and acknowledges that Valkorian held her back the most out of all of them and it’s just sooo 🥹 upsetting because they were truly brother and sister, and loved each other and they never get a chance to be a normal FAMILY…
#I’m fine#really#i just love them#so much#silly little siblings#star wars#swtor#game: swtor#swtor stuff#the tirall family#vaylin#vaylin tirall#arcann#arcann tirall#kotfe#kotfe spoilers#knights of the fallen empire#Zakuul#nathema#star wars the old republic
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Bad SWTOR choices
I accidentally reblogged and replied on a post I didn't mean to, but I did want to talk about this - how many times the LS/DS choices in SWTOR and particularly KOTFE and KOTET seem completely off base. Top four:
The reactor in KOTFE chapter 3.
Okay, to recap: the Outlander has just been freed from carbonite, where they were slowly being poisoned to death. They are doing so poorly that Lana has to help them walk at some points. They are on a planet they know nothing about. There's a nuclear reactor Vaylin has ripped from its moorings, and the actual nuclear physicists who tend to the thing have given up on it. So of course it's perfectly reasonable to expect the half-dead Outlander to fix it, and to treat them like a monster if they make the sound decision to not try to learn nuclear physics in two seconds.
Better decision: give the Outlander a choice to try to help people evacuate and make that LS/DS. That would still fit with Koth's desire to help people and could still be used to influence his opinion of the Outlander, but would be more realistically and logically in line with what could be done.
Since nobody knows what the Outlander looks like at this point it could also be used to create more conflict/nuance for Zakuulans. They've been told the Outlander is a monster but - this person who looks just like the Outlander saved them. Could Arcann be lying to them?
Senya in KOTET chapter 1.
So the planet of Voss is being bombed to pieces, and Senya doesn't give a single fuck about that. She just wants you to save her son, the dictator. Who has shown zero remorse and has literally run the Outlander through with a lightsaber. Your two choices: let Genocidal Dictator Boy join the Alliance and work right alongside the people he's actively tried to murder, or refuse and be considered a monster. Choices, choices.
Better decision: Refuse to save, imprison for war crimes, save, save without joining Alliance. All of which should be neutral. They could have even branched this off further - does Arcann go off to atone through his actions of trying to help rebuild? Do you just let him flee and become a ghost? Is he turned over to the factions and put in jail? Or do you execute him?
SCORPIO in KOTET chapter 5.
HOW many times has SCORPIO lied to you, tried to do away with you and otherwise caused extensive trouble? Bonus for Imperial Agents, how many times in the class story did she casually mention she eventually wants to murder you? Of course, by all means, let her merge her consciousness with the homicidal cyberplanet who has just tried to murder you and has horrific weapons at its disposal. I'm sure no harm could come from that. After all she promised she won't bother you. It's not personal.
Better choices:
- Let SCORPIO merge with the promise of helping you destroy the faction of your choice later (DS - hey, I SAID it's a dark side choice so let's go for the goalpost with it)
- Kill SCORPIO (neutral),
- oho, what's this? You've been able to completely neutralize SCORPIO and contain her in the Gravestone with the super special top secret program Doctor Oggurobb has been working tirelessly on for months since you learned SCORPIO wasn't dead?? Whoohoo! Victory without death! (LS).
Dramath in KOTET chapter 7.
Because you haven't been subjected to Valkorion's family enough, here comes Daddy Dramath. Who is imprisoned in a holocron in a max-security basement crypt and swears, up and down, that he will go away and not bother you if he's set free. I mean, you have so many reasons to take Family Valkorion/Tenebrae at their word, right? It's not like this could be a malicious Force ghost. You've never run into any of those, nope. And it's not like you're on a planet that has been corrupted into something terrible in the Force (or lack thereof) which might make it even more dangerous to release ghosties you meet.
Better decision:
- Free (LS),
- Keep - but swear to release after you've defeated Valkorion and keep that promise(LS),
- Imprison and tell Dramath he's your servant forever, mwahahaha (DS).
Let that be the differentiating factor in whether he helps you or not in KOTET 9.
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So, I have a headcanon regarding Outlander and Valkorion
Spoiler territory for pretty much the whole game (mostly Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior class stories and all expansions from Shadows of Revan).
How does Outlander (especially non Force user) defeat Valkorion in KotET? This question bothered me (and I'm sure all of you) for quite some time. And frankly, the game doesn't answer it very well. So I did some thinking, searching and theorizing, and found a solution that I will bring in my personal stories. Just thought it would be interesting for others to see as well.
Explanations offered in the game:
Valkorion's power had become weaker at some point (as noted by Arcann in chapter 8 "Taking Flight", and indicated by events on Ziost, since Theron wasn't possessed, and by Valkorion in chapter 9 "Eternal Throne", when he said that he needed Vaylin's power to destroy Outlander's mind);
Arcann and Vaylin helped defeat him;
The holocron was the instrument of Valkorion's defeat (but it's never properly explained how exactly);
The "kneel before the dragon of Zakuul" phrase worked on Valkorion because the Outlander said so.
It doesn't sound too bad, but when I tried to go into details, it didn't make much sense. "My mind, my rules" was really out of nowhere, also kinda goes against the previous experience of Outlander not being able to do anything about Valkorion before that. And Arcann and Vaylin being on your side isn't the key either because even the three of them were still losing, it only changed after the main character said the key phrase. And why the heck does it even work like that? Because they said so? Gee, should've thought about it a few chapters before, no?
Now, what I came up with doesn't really go much different from that, I just made some adjustments to make it flow better (at least for myself). I'll talk through my thoughts in chronological order, so bear with me (I tried to summarize it at the end, so scroll if you want the short version).
Vitiate learned to transfer his spirit as one of the ways to be immortal. It can happen either through a ritual, which is preferable since it's easier, doesn't weaken him, and he doesn't need time to adjust, but it does require consent from a person, or killing the previous host, which does weaken him for some time. The longer he has possessed a host, the greater the loss of power will be upon the transfer. It's not to say that he isn't dangerous, quite the opposite, but perhaps he can't do some 'impossible' things (like consume a planet or shatter a mind) just like that.
He was at his full power before the events on Belsavis and Voss, timeline wise. Remember how easily he possessed the minds of the Jedi on the strike team? Yeah, Jedi Knight broke free, but that's bc they're super strong (and the main character in their storyline).
But because of Baras Vitiate had to be released from the body on Voss by being killed, which made him slightly weaker, just enough for the Hero of Tython to kill him again on Dromund Kaas. That made him lose more power (because he possessed this body for much longer than that Voss), and Vitiate tried to find a new host and regain his power (either by Revan reviving him or consuming all life on Ziost). His attempts were not successful, so he retreated to Zakuul.
That would explain why after being 'killed' yet again on Zakuul (thus losing two of his main hosts) Valkorion wasn't powerful enough to possess the Outlander's mind (regardless of their class). He was in a pretty vulnerable position, so he came up with a plan. We'll get to it. For now, Valkorion understands that if the Outlander dies, he'll be even weaker and probably won't be able to get a new host, so he protects the Outlander while pushing them to use his power.
Every time the Outlander agrees to do so gives Valkorion more control over their body, and even if they never agree, the bond grows stronger as time passes, it's just faster when Outlander uses his power. Eventually it would be just strong enough for Valkorion to use the main character's body without their permission (like in chapter 16). But he's still not powerful enough to break their mind, so he goes to the next part of the plan.
Valkorion manipulated the main character into killing Vaylin (and Arcann, if applicable) because he needed to consume her power to destroy Outlander's mind (which is what happens in chapter 9). But he made a couple mistakes in doing so. First, he underestimated how smart Commander is, and how the bond allowed them to take his form to survive. Second, by consuming Vaylin's spirit, Valkorion gained not just her strength, but also her weakness, which is the conditioning.
But wait, didn't Vaylin free herself from it? Sort of. I saw a suggestion from another player that Vaylin didn't get rid of conditioning itself, but rather the lever that triggers it. It's possible because the process on Nathema didn't exactly according to the plan. And because of that, Valkorion also gained her conditioning after consuming her spirit.
So, what does that mean? What does it do? Well, I think that when the key phrase is said in presence of Vaylin, she temporarily loses her connection to the Force (or it becomes so weak that she can't use it), thus isn't a threat. And the same happens to Valkorion when the main character attempts to use it on him in KotET chapter 9, at least for long enough for the Outlander to kill him. This way the victory isn't dependent on one's power in the Force, and it fits a non Force sensitive Commander as well.
What about the holocron? I explain this as it only binds, commands and releases spirits, as we see with lord Dramath. It's not the key to Valkorion's destruction, but it is still important because it is used to free Vaylin's spirit from Valkorion after her death (and Arcann's, if applicable), which gives Outlander a potential powerful ally.
[Just a little addition that has very little to do with my explanation, but wanted to mention - in the throne room, when Valkorion breaks Outlander's mind, he takes over the body and attacks your companions. They hold off long enough for Commander to put their mind back, and at that moment Valky loses control, and the body is unconscious.]
So, to sum it up:
Valkorion is weaker after being killed on Voss, Dromund Kaas and Zakuul, hence why the Outlander can resist him, regardless of theirconnection to the Force;
the holocron found on Nathema can bind, command and release spirits, which allows Outlander to free Vaylin (and Arcann, if applicable) from Valkorion;
the bond formed between Valkorion and Commander allowed the latter to survive after having their mind destroyed;
Vaylin didn't completely get rid of the conditioning on Nathema because the process didn't go as it should've, it just removed the trigger;
by consuming Vaylin's spirit Valkorion gained both her strength and her weakness - her conditioning, that's why it worked on him, and it temporarily weakened his connection to the Force.
I know this isn't perfect, there are probably plot holes that I haven't noticed or poorly explained, but I like it much more. Why do I even bother with this explanation?
I just love doing mental gymnastics around KotFE-ET, and this particular part was difficult yet entertaining to figure out.
But honestly, probably most important reason is that it works for every class (so even non Force-users are fitting here) because strength in the Force is not the key. Valkorion underestimated how observant and clever Outlander is, and I think it works better for their characters.
#let me know if you want a version with low-quality pictures#did i come up with this just to justify jett being the outlander and winning? absolutely#but i do think it fits with my other outlanders#swtor#swtor headcanons#long post#valkorion#kotfe#kotet#kotfe spoilers#kotet spoilers#shadows of revan spoilers#jedi knight spoilers#sith warrior spoilers#oc:jett#tagging her bc this whole thing mostly exists for her#if you have questions about this hmu#i might have left out some details#or maybe there is more stuff i can add here
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I don't think we give Vector enough credit for his maturity, especially when the game glitches him into believing he's still in a romanced state with the Imperial Agent when he returns at the end of KOTFE.
He loves you, he searched for you, he almost alienated his people in his despair at losing you - and if you tell him that you've moved on, he's just like...
Well, let him say it:
I could never give over Theron for him, but there's a reason my Agent always feels just a smidge of regret every time she looks into his eyes.
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darth marr: *verbally flips the bird @ valkorion in KOTXX*
me: that's my boy!
darth marr: *dies*
me: no, my boy!
#swtor#shitpost#original quote is from one of the asdf movies#ive been thinking about kotxx again and this is stuck in my head#so now im gonna inflict it upon all y'all#darth marr#swtor kotfe#swtor kotet#kotfe spoilers#kotet spoilers#it had to be done
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Every time Koth thanks me for doing the right thing I want to yell at him I’m not doing it for you you Vakarian apologist. Mr. “He did right by Zakuul so who cares if he’s killed billions of people” Mr. “No way Senya can decide that she wasn’t on the right side of things and decide to switch sides only I can do that”
He always makes me want to make dark side decisions to tell him to go away. If he’d like idk say “oh you have a point maybe he wasn’t such a great emperor.”
And yes my trooper did almost choose to let the city blow up. I sat here trying to make a decision like ... would my trooper let innocent people die? The answer is no but I was 100% sitting here considering it so Koth would leave later... of course he does steal my ship and that makes me dislike him even more...
Bonus pics of Major Vemi Maex with boyfriend Theron Shan pre carbonite because I apparently have fallen into this romance trap.
#swtor#Major Vemi Maex#Trooper swtor#knights of the fallen empire#kotfe spoilers#swtor kotfe#I highly dislike Koth
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I could not help myself but post this one clip of one chat between Senya & Isadola, It’s just so wonderfully tense.
Isadola respects Senya highly, but part of Issie can’t help but see similarities between what Senya went through and her own mother’s actions (Tilera).
Also with Isadola being as empathetic as she is, she can’t help but feel and wonder if she could’ve ended up the same as Vaylin or Arcann if Tilera didn’t stay and fight to free Issie all those years ago from the experiments born from their capture. Tilera, despite the odds against her, fought and died for her daughter; even after it was revealed her old lover/Issie’s father was behind their capture by slavers.
So you can’t blame Issie much for being a little sour whenever Senya plays the “There was nothing I could do” card when talking about her situation. Isadola knows the situations aren’t exactly the same, but that still doesn’t change that quiet anger she feels whenever the topic comes up. And in the end, if the roles were reversed, Isadola understands she’d be beyond redemption if Tilera didn’t stay to fight for her daughter. So she understands a bit where Senya is coming from even if Issie doesn’t agree with her.
And T7′s reaction when it finally realizes he came into the middle of a very awkwardly tense conversation between the two woman lol.
Also this moment being one of the first cracks in the trust between Senya & Isadola before the end of KOTFE.
(Also ignore the subtitles with a different middle name for Issie, it’s my bs way to make Alt Issies in game to go through her story again)
#swtor#swtor spoilers#swtor kotfe#kotfe#kotfe spoilers#senya tirall#swtor oc#oc: Isadola Ardeen#oc mention#Oc: Tilera Colet#swtor clip#Headcanon ramblings#A clip with some Issie backstory attached#This is just the first a few clips I also want to upload and discuss from Issie's pov#This one is just too wonderfully tense not to share & talk about
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the chats with Valkorian universally get on my fucking nerves but i actually loved the hell out of Sav’s Unwilling Camping Trip. Odessen is fucking beautiful
#this mission ruled. it also took me an extra ~30 min bc i rp-walked for literally the entire first half#kotfe spoilers#kotfe#swtor#oc: savtas thom#just squirrelly things
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Yes, of course, the trauma, yes. But also this is their entire dynamic rn and I am so happy about it
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Soooo I killed arcane and senya on my skirata Mando and will again on her sister
And let me just say Senyas death is heartbreaking
Arcanes felt triumphant in a way
But overall I feel sad as on my main two Mandos laina and Venus I save them both so it’s sad to see this side
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Top ten saddest moments Ft. @sithsandstardust
#star wars#swtor#game: swtor#swtor stuff#star wars the old republic#star wars: the old republic#sith warrior spoilers#crisis on umbara#theron shan#malavai quinn#betrayal arc#expansion spoilers#kotet spoilers#kotfe spoilers#swtor spoilers
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Kat's bad day on Asylum in this replay.
Was also messing around with the graphics settings on my laptop to improve the visuals, it looks a little crisper and less clay-like in my previous uploads.
Kateake wished she wore her armour that day lol
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Which of your SWTOR Companions are NOT with the Alliance?
I was inspired by this post by @swtorpadawan.
It's a good question, and it got me thinking (slowly, as always). For now, I've come up with fates of companions in Lette Legacy (Jett as the Outlander), and will work on others later.
Warning - Mentions of established character deaths below. And lots of spoilers for KotFE and everything after it.
In my headcanon the events of KotFE and onwards are different from in-game version, which impacts the fate of some companions. The most relevant differences are the fates of class characters (Bounty Hunter, Jedi Consular, Smuggler and Agent are in the Alliance; Jedi Knight, Sith Warrior, Sith Inquisitor and Trooper are not with the Alliance for different reasons) and the fact that the Alliance does not participate in the renewed war between the Republic and Sith Empire, choosing to stay neutral.
Also, the state of companions changes with time, so this is for the time around the events of 7.0 in SWTOR.
Jedi Knight crew:
Fideltin Rusk - continues his military service in the Republic.
Doc - after Ossus stays to help the Jedi in the renewed war.
Jedi Consular crew:
Zenith - continues anti-Imperial activities.
Tharan Cedrax - survives the Imperial attack on Meridian Complex and continues to work for the Republic.
Nadia Grell - after Ossus stays with the Jedi.
Trooper crew:
Elara Dorne - continues her military service in the Republic as a part of the Havoc Squad, takes Jorgan's place as second in command after he joined the Alliance.
M1-4X - stays with the Republic as part of the Havoc Squad.
Tanno Vik - does whatever he was doing in chapter 6.
Sith Warrior crew:
Malavai Quinn - stays with the Empire as one of Acina's officers.
Major Pierce - continues his military service in the Empire.
Jaesa Wilsaam - disappears after Emperor's Wrath's death, current whereabouts unknown.
Broonmark - killed while trying to assassinate a Wookiee senator on Alderaan.
Vette - killed by Vaylin on Odessen.
Sith Inquisitor crew:
Khem Val, Andronikos Revel, Talos Drellik and Xalek - all stay in the Sith Empire and work for Darth Nox.
Ashara Zavros - killed by apprentices of Darth Nox.
Bounty Hunter crew:
Skadge - just does his thing, if nobody shot him yet. (I don't even count him as companion, but since he is a companion in the game, I guess I had to add him). Jett never met him again after dropping him somewhere shortly after Belsavis.
Imperial Agent crew:
Vector Hyllus - continues his duties as Dawn Herald.
SCORPIO - merged with Iokath.
Kaliyo - dropped out of the Alliance after Vaylin is dealt with. I just don't think she would stick for much of what comes next.
So 22 out of 40 companions from class stories are not with the Alliance (obviously Kaliyo, SCORPIO and Vette were a part of the Alliance).
Honorable mention: Raina Temple - officially is not with the Alliance, but working with them to maintain communication between the Alliance and the Chiss Ascendancy.
#figuring out companions in other legacies is going to be difficult but i'll think of something#i kept it short but if anybody wants to hear details about certain companions i'll gladly share#swtor#swtor headcanons#kotfe spoilers#kotet spoilers#(idk what else to tag it with)#legacy (verse): lette
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