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Ok, probably a bad idea for me to get into this during midterms week but I've been seeing a lot of (really bad) misinterpretations of what transandrophobia is and I feel the need to get this off my chest.
Transandrophobia is NOT
A way to excuse or mock transmisogyny
"Run of the mill" transphobia
"Run of the mill" misogyny
A tool to oppress or speak over women of any kind
The same thing as "men's rights"
Thing is: I'm not saying that transmascs cannot ever be misogynistic or transmisogynistic, what I'm saying is that the idea of transandrophobia is not that. Transmisogyny is a real problem, and I do not deny that my trans sisters suffer from it. If you genuinely believe I am being transmisogynistic and point out specifically where, I am willing to listen and correct myself.
But I am also asking that you do the same for us. Just as transmisogyny is a word to describe the unique type of discrimination experienced by transfems, transandrophobia is a word to describe the unique type of discrimination experienced by transmascs. And again, it's not just misogyny + transphobia, it's being invisible, condescended to, having our identity dismissed in the context of reproductive healthcare, being excluded from discussions around reproductive healthcare, and much more. Some of these may overlap with what transfems and nonbinary people face, and some may not.
There's also the myth going around that transmascs, especially trans men, are privileged because it's "easier" for us to pass. That's far from true. I am a binary trans man who has been on T for 2+ years and I pass insanely easily. BUT I AM ONE OF THE RARE LUCKY ONES. And even if my experience was common or guaranteed, any male privilege I have is CONDITIONAL ON PASSING. "Choosing" to be a man in spite of my birth circumstances does not make me privileged. Privilege does not get handed to you if you are changing your identity away from your AGAB, regardless of what gender you're changing to or from. (This is without touching on how me being east Asian may factor in)
And while I'm at it: MEN OF ANY SORT ARE NEITHER INHERENTLY EVIL NOR INHERENTLY BIGOTS. SIMILARLY, WOMEN ARE NOT INHERENTLY GOOD OR SAFE. Neither one's birth sex nor their chosen gender have any weight on whether they are a good or bad person. It is the individual's actions and only the individual's actions that matter.
This is getting long and rambly, but to reiterate the main point one last time:
TRANSANDROPHOBIA AND TRANSMISOGYNY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT WORDS THAT ADDRESS IMPORTANT PROBLEMS/TYPES OF OPPRESSION, AND IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THEY COEXIST
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Perisex trans women: trans people have intersex brains :333 thoughts? I think we should discuss this.
Some other commentor: I think this is insensitive towards intersex people
Perisex trans woman: ummm actually, I, in my privileged position, don't think it's insensitive. Since I absolutely have a place to speak on what is or is not harmful to another minority I clearly have little education on
Me: you don't really get to say that unless you're intersex. It's already a big misconception
Perisex: ummm reality is I can say whatever I want. Don't be a gatekeeper
Me: this is the same as a cis person claiming something isn't transphobic.
Perisex: you sound like the transmed of the intersex community :///
Mind you, believing there to be a medical condition behind being trans is the definition of transmedicalism (which, if the brain sex theory is ran with, would further gatekeep trans people), and I'm the transmed gatekeeper? I had also linked three different studies discussing the harm and need for separation, w like three other intersex activism articles from leading orgs in another comment, which were very obviously ignored, so that's what the studies were about bud, or whatever.
There was some other comment by another trans women "I like the concept of putting ourselves under the intersex umbrella" like please. Have you ever thought to maybe listen to us instead of just speaking. Do you even hear yourself.
Trans intersex individuals trying to exist in the trans community: / (own place being: finding solidarity and community w intersex individuals) / (intersexist) perisex trans ppl then joining intersex communities
What do you think happens to intersex needs, rights, experiences, stories, fights and struggles when you flood the community (with a group whose activism is only similar in bodily autonomy, but otherwise is nearly opposite yours)?
We get diluted. Our activism gets erased. We become more invisible. This isn't the "intersex version of TERFs claiming trans woman erase women" bc 1 the definition of woman doesn't mention it being an innate variation. And 2, 49% of the population is female. It's a lot easier to erase less than 2% than it is 49%
From the Intersex Human Rights of Australia, "conflation of intersex with being transgender […] obscures the specific goals of the intersex human rights movement". Trans rights is the right to say yes, intersex rights are the right to say no. Studies have discussed how "there is a need group to only those with somatic intersex variations due to their distinct medical experiences". Others discuss how the researchers "learned that researching intersex issues with greater accuracy would focus on people who are intersex. It would require the aid of people with intersex variations themselves as research allies and advisors, to capitalise on 'insider/ outsider access dynamics emphasised by intersex researchers, in order to foster more direct exploration of people with intersex variations'" (aka, there aren't a whole lot and we need to focus on actually intersex individuals).
#intersex erasure#intersexism#intersex issues#intersex discussion#actually intersex#intersex things#intersex#queer infighting#intercommunity discourse#purrspectives#trans intersexism
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my number one issue with tumblr discussions of queerness is that many of the people talking about it on here are all so resistant to recognizing many of us, including you, are more alike than different. so resistant that they are addicted to inventing problems so unfounded in reality and the history of the lgbt community and suffused in bad faith readings of other people in the community that they sound legitimately insane
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want to make a macrame curtain for my door so I'm on all these macrame pages trying to figure out how much yarn I'm gonna need and ah. this one list of project links ends with the cheerful "happy knotting!"
#intercommunity language issues#should i start even more projects at this point?#well why the fuck not
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2023 reads // twitter thread
Margins and Murmurations
set in a near future after a climate crisis, in an oppressive militarised state somewhere in Europe
A 72yo trans woman and her friend have long since escaped, living in the woods together, until a resistance fighter arrives and they find themselves drawn back into the fight
centres queer and trans characters, sex workers, and the complicated process of activism and survivial
large cast
#Margins and Murmurations#aroaessidhe 2023 reads#I picked this up the MC is aro - though this is only vaguely mentioned in a single line tbh (without the word)#i feel like it could have been a bit clearer however still really liked her! a great MC#a trans woman not concerned with other people’s idea of passing is gr8#liked the complexities of revolution and community organising and that intercommunity issues are never going away#(ie vegans being like no meat in our safe space and disabled people being like. ok but we'll die tho?)#the writing is a bit rough in places#there’s a lot of worldbuilding told through the characters telling it to each other like……they clearly know this already; and are only sayin#saying it for the reader to learn. awkwardly#some headhopping and I think sometimes more concerned with telling us something that the characters and narrative….#the time travel thing is very much………I feel like you could have taken it out and it wouldn’t have changed anything? other than her descicion#descision making? the end also felt abrupt. I know there are other books in the world so maybe that had something to do with it#but yea it's interesting and i enjoyed it overall!#do check CWs#aromantic books#(kinda. and there's bits of romance with other characters)
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"Trans lesbian separatists" y'all really want to find a way to paint transwomen talking about the transmisoginy they face within as exclusionist to justify excluding them don't you. Like its
"No no THEY'RE trying to DIVIDE the community! They should take trans unity at face value and not ask for anything better! They should be excluded for the sake of inclusion!"
#transmisoginy#they also don't want to think that anything that they're saying is harmful#like they dont want to see their painting any transwomen talking about intercommunity issues as a potential 'sepratists' as hostile#literally'not to sound offensive but *says the most offensive thing youve ever heard*'
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The older you get the more you realize people don’t care unless stuff directly affects them. The
#working in advocacy made me never look at activism the same#I never want to have to do activism or encourage people to do activism for groups of people who hate me or anyone like me I actually refuse#and then the same people don’t even do activism for themselves and expect me to know intercommunal issues
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A school bully who keeps up with intercommunity issues so that he always uses the most non-problematic terminology to insult you with
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anxnzbamxn the way so many of the notes on that post are just vegetarians going “actually, it’s mostly one sided. we just don’t like the loud minority of vegans that treat us like crap.” & then said loud minority vegans proceeding to elaborate on why they feel justified in treating us like crap…
tumblr user transpool i am so sorry.
#for the record i don’t actually think the vege community is THAT much better. it’s sort of like canada compared to the states.#like we still on a wide scale both SUCK as communities & have major ethical issues that need to be rooted out such as racism & classism#i want to be clear criticism of both communities is VERY warranted.#just in terms of intercommunity beef-not-beet w veges & vegans it’s mostly one sided yk?
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Other trans people are not your enemy. If you can't talk about the issues you face as a trans masc person without blaming or denigrating nb and or trans femme ppl, you need to have a sit down with yourself and ask why you feel the need to blame people experiencing oppression WITH YOU for the oppression you are facing.
#for what its worth none of my irl trans friends ever talk that way about intercommunity issues#its something ive only seen online like im sure its out there but it is i hope in the minority
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Hey, I was wondering of youd share your guy's stance on kit being outed as well as other celebrity's being pressured to share their sexuality/orientation.
I am not for it and now might be a good time to discuss something more personal since we are on the topic. Since starting this project, I have had my identity as a queer person poked and prodded at, and I have chosen not to discuss that in depth. I am going to continue with that decision, but I do want to say something. I have recently come out as transgender, specifically genderfluid, and there was some bitterness tainting what should have been an easy happy decision. Because people have spent their time and their energy attacking and targeting me based on their misunderstanding of my gender identity.
I have been told I don't have the authority to speak on transgender issues, despite spending a good portion of my life studying queer and trans history. I have been told my stances are less valid because I was not publicly under a particular set of labels. I have been publicly attacked and dismissed.
This discussion of people's identities does not only affect celebrities. I am just a regular person, doing a job they are passionate about and I have deserved more compassion than I've gotten. I haven't been hurting people, and the things I was most often attacked based on were minor intercommunity squabbles.
This whole mess is just an example of petty infighting that the queer community should be ashamed has been blasted on such a large stage as to affect these young men. Actors, who were simply doing their job are being bullied for no good reason, and outing people is always a disgraceful decision. All of this is based on a simple misapplication of a political framework that has also been proven to be just as ineffective in other communities.
The idea that you need a certain set of identities to even speak on discrimination, or be a part of the discussion, is so silly. That's how you lose important valuable insights. In real strong community work, people of all experiences are listened to and their voices are valued because of their unique perspectives. Yes, people facing the lived realities of oppression should have their voices amplified, but that truth was never meant to be used as a weapon or a silencer. It was meant to lift up people, not to tear others down.
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I finally wrote a response to the deeply repetitive arguments, criticisms, concerns I’ve received all my life when speaking on Black & Native intercommunity issues as a Black Native! But particularly, to the comments section of an article I wrote last year to critique the use of “BIPOC” as defined by a shared experience with colonialism or oppression, and the simple fact that a people cannot share an oppressive experience with another who live half-lives under the former’s governing & gatekeeping.
I wrote on the history of the only consistent clapback™️ my cries for allyship have ever received (the Buffalo Soldiers referenced in the above screenshot), what makes them nonfunctional as a weapon or deflection in this conversation, and the dissociative-like experience of people’s refusal to engage with Afro-Native oppression as a Native American issue because we happen to be Black as well. Here are some excerpts/quotes:
People find it incredibly difficult to understand that I am Black & Native American at the same time, never ceasing in one or the other…the obscene success of an ethnically & culturally blended peoples, “a savage foe combined with lawless Negro brigands”…
Conversation about Black Native Americans isn’t hard because it is inherently complex. It’s made hard by a deliberate erasure of our Nativeness. By the terms of a bizarrely narrow idea of racial identity that’s seemingly cobbled together from the legacy of a one-drop rule & Dawes rolls, we can only be Native or Black. Never both.
There is, perhaps, a moral dilemma for some in acknowledging the capacity for Native American wrongdoing while living in a society built atop our bones & stolen land. Though the Buffalo Soldiers don’t even begin to answer to Afro-Natives’ criticisms, it makes for a satisfying deflection.
Kihnindewa. Buffalo Soldiers & Identity Troubles: Native American History Rewritten (Again), working title because I just can’t settle
For now, this piece is exclusive to my $5.55 Patreon! If you’re looking to learn some Black (& Native) history directly from a Black Native this BHM or to connect & commiserate with another Black NDN (see my tags please 🙂), the support would be deeply appreciated and subscribing also gives you access to all of my poetry & other work. You could also consider tipping me if you’ve benefited from my previous article or other work on this subject, for my pain & suffering if you’re white or nonblack Native, or just to help me out this month.
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#black ndns if you can’t swing it but are interested in reading hmu on main @kihningcries I’m happy to share with you#my writing#idk how to tag this and don’t really want to!#black history month#black ndn#Native American#indigenous#antiblackness#antiblackness cw
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worst thing about transunity types is how they position themselves as these enlightened bringers of peace, and its only ever us uppity trans women who are the bringers of discord and disunity. they use the language of unity and coalitionbuilding, not to fix the intercommunity issues, just to silence discussion thereof.
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Howdy, big fan… but worth noting though that only 10% of Israeli citizens have dual citizenship. The Brooklyn apartment assumption is a major dog whistle to be frank
Hi! Wasn’t intentional at all and if you have more resources to share on this dog-whistle then we’re happy to read and obviously forward that education. There’s always going to be mistakes made even within building revolutionary framework.
To explain the post in question; we used Brooklyn, NYC as an example as the land itself is home to a larger Jewish population, and that same land is Lenape land. The recognition of this is just a fact— NYC is home to a large Jewish community, and there is a beautiful history there of intercommunity relations and solidarity. So much culture and tradition has grown and intertwined in the Jewish communities there. With that, it was a joke at recognising our own community too are settlers on Indigenous land— and though our diaspora have cultural ties to these cities, it is strictly still anothers indigenous land.
A lot of anti-Zionists Jews recognise they themselves are still settlers on Turtle Island (the Americas) but the bigger issue itself is that, what progressive conversions are being had by Jewish spaces to recognise they themselves as settlers on another land in the United States, Australia and other colonies? What work is being done to aid Indigenous liberation? We cannot sanctify the Jewish community from this movement.
We must recognise that for as much as the State Israel is a settler-colonial state, as is the United States. As is Australia. Jewish diaspora are included in the conversation of Land Back. The uprooting of the Israeli State must take the United States with it.
Regarding the 10% of settlers with Dual-citizenship — that’s still a huge amount of people! A huge amount of people who have the luxury to relocate, the same luxury Palestinians are not offered as they are placed in apartheid on their own land. Citizens who only hold a singular citizenship that is not internationally recognised.
Apologies if it seemed insensitive, but as a Jewish collective, it’s important to bite the bullet and address issues in the diaspora. Jewish people are not absolved from citicism, either, but we will and should always call out blatant Antisemitism and bigotry against us. We’re open to criticism always!
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people are capable of caring about two things at once. i can care abt y'all being racist and lesbophobic and still care abt our rights as a whole. they're not mutually exclusive and you telling us that caring abt intercommunity issues means we need to get off the internet and we don't care abt civil rights makes you look like a cunt.
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