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doctorqueensanatomy · 7 months

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am I the only one who didn't know that Neil hinted at Peter Davison being Job LAST APRIL???

#like WHAT? I DIDNT KNOW #peter davison #neil gaiman #its not even that subtle 😭😭😭#good omens #good omens job

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bookshopcrow · 7 months

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2500 BC, The Land of Uz

I'm a demon, I lied.

#crowley x aziraphale #good omens #good omens 2 #good omens fanart #ineffable husbands #bildad the shuhite #good omens job #fanart

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melbatron5000 · 6 days

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More minisode connections:

Right here.

All of the minisodes are on this matchbox.

The matchbox is from the Resurrectionist pub.

It has a quote from the Book of Job on it.

The quote is 41:19, or, if you flip that, 1941.

What is up with these intense minisode hints??

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens meta #good omens analysis #ineffable mystery #good omens fan theory #good omens minisodes #good omens 1941 #good omens resurrectionists #good omens Job

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rainbowpopeworld · 7 months

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These are the leftover ox ribs, which Aziraphale devoured, that Sitis takes from Job’s robe

Bildad the Shuhite, our favorite midwife/cobbler, is telling her how high up to reach to pull them out based on Aziraphale’s cues

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komorezuki · 2 months

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I love the Job minisode somehow because Azi behaves like Azi. He knows people, he knows that killing children is terrible, he knows Crowley and trusts him. And I yeah I am bothered by Azi's kinda regress in the Edinburgh minisode, but now not about it. The second detail that bothers me. Azi lied to archangels and he thinks he is a fallen angel now. Why?

Aziraphale has already lied in Eden to GOD HERSELF. I mean HE LIED TO ALMIGHTY, who knows, you know, everything. And who can punish. But Azi lied to her without hesitation and without any remorse later. He must know that nothing will happen to him. So why is he so upset?

#good omens #good omens 2 #ineffable husbands #what if #aziraphale #aziracrow #good omens job

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takeme-totheworld · 9 days

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It breaks my heart every time Job says "And how sunk in sin must I be not only to deserve this, but not even to know why?"

...you can see why he's God's favorite human. I want to give him a hug so bad.

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens rewatch #good omens job #a companion to owls

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beebopboom · 6 months

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I think it’s interesting that in the Job minisode that when the angels come down at the end that Gabriel is standing in the front with Michael of course at his right and though the other angels are behind them they are still on the right

the interesting part is that when Aziraphale arrives he stands on Gabriel’s left - he is the only one too

and if the right side is meant to represent Heaven and the left is Hell - that means Aziraphale is subconsciously already projecting his choice and his belief that if he makes this choice he will Fall

(also i didn’t finish this video as it is quite long but from what i did watch it did point out some interesting points about religious right/left hand symbolism)

#good omens #good omens 2 #good ineffable omens #aziraphale #crowley #good omens michael #good omens gabriel #aziracrow #ineffable husbands #ineffable spouses #good omens meta #good omens Job #good omens symbolism #right hand vs left hand

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atlas-hope · 7 months

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Sometimes I have some trouble finding reference images for my art, so I just put them in one spot. Be warned, this doc is like 150 pages long (and subject to expanding)

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #good omens 2 #furfur #shax #the them #good omens job #gabriel good omens #archangel gabriel #michael good omens #good omens reference images #good omens outfits #good omens 1800s #good omens rome #good omens before the beginning #anathema device #newt pulsifer #adam young

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maraudersarecanon · 1 month

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Soooo I just found out that Ennon was played by Ty Tennant and that just adds a whole new layer of hilarity to Crowley watching Ennon flirt with Aziraphale because it was also David watching his son flirt with his best friend

#good omens #good omens season 2 #good omens job #david tennant #ty tennant #michael sheen #crowley #aziraphale

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yet-still-just-a-moth · 2 months

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Aziraphale's though process after saving Job's children and lying to Heaven. The brainrot made me do it and the only thing I can spare you is my unhinged rant on connotations and themes, so I'll just leave it like that. Also, go listen to Paris Paloma, she's incredible.

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens fandom #good omens music #good omens job #aziraphale #crowely #crowley and aziraphale #michael sheen #david tennant

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melbatron5000 · 6 days

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Murder Board 2.0

Updated 4/27/24

Since I've figure a few things out, I need to re-do my Murder Board. New answers, new questions.

What I think I know:

NEIL GAIMAN IS A LYING LIAR WHO LIES. Except when he's dropping hints or answering straight out. All of his answers to anything anyone asks about GO are suspect at best. (I cannot blame him or anyone else on the cast or crew -- they spent A LOT of time and energy building this very meticulous puzzle game for us -- why would ANY of them give ANY of it away? That would ruin all the fun!)

Most of the discontinuity of Season 2 can be explained by POV switches between characters. See here and here for more. I think the title/location cards are also probably POV Clues, that needs a closer look.

Crowley gave something to Aziraphale in his mouth when they kissed. It's the fly. Now, what else was in the fly besides Gabriel's memory? RECORDS. Incriminating records that are why the Metatron let Beelzebub and Gabriel go, but nailed Aziraphale. The Metatron knows Gabriel has those records, he doesn't know they got passed to Aziraphale.

Saraqael and Crowley and by proxy, Aziraphale are all working together. See here and here for more. That explains A. the tiny miracle blowing up into a 25 Lazarii miracle. It didn't. They had to cover for something else that did. B. Saraqael showing the archangels the book shop in 2019 in the spy hole. C. Crowley's spy turtle neck and where he went during Aziraphale's Job flashback. D. Why Saraqael helps him see the trial in Heaven. (Oh! Muriel's now in on it, too!)

Crowley's memory is fine, it's a red herring. He is dissing Furfur, he is denying knowing Saraqael even after she gives him a reason to recognize her to hide that they are working together. He tells Jim he doesn't remember why they invented gravity, but that whole scene if from Aziraphale's perspective, so the conversation likely didn't actually go just like that.

Shax is on a mission besides Gabriel -- she's looking for whatever Aziraphale and Crowley are hiding. Gabriel is a side-mission.

The hand-washing comment from Crowley in the Resurrectionists minisode -- he tells DaVinci about helicopters in Good Omens the novel. It's just a thing he can do.

What is up with Maggie? Maggie's freaking Jesus 2.0. She's what Shax is looking for, and who Crowley, Aziraphale, and Saraqael are hiding. Also, where is God? God is busy being Maggie, that's where. That's why Crowley says "Oh God" before his speech in the final fifteen. He's bringing up what they're hiding, reminding Aziraphale that someone has to stay and keep an eye on Maggie. That's why he can't go. Now, how the FUCK did Jesus 2.0 wind up owning a record store she inherited from her family NEXT TO AN ANGEL??

SECRET SONGS??? Why are the songs secret?? I'm losing my mind, what is happening?? I think this is a message that A. Aziraphale and Crowley are okay, and B. We will absolutely be getting part 3 of 1941.

I still think the scenes might be out of order. Is it as simple as watching them in chronological order? Could be.

The Metatron is a naked man.

Aziraphale and Crowley are talking in subtext A LOT. Aziraphale's tells are easier to spot than Crowley's. He raises his eyebrows and does vocal bunny rabbit ears. "Our Gabriel miracle," "The establishment in question," "Certainly on to something," "Haven't yet cracked the case." I haven't picked out Crowley's tells yet.

What still needs answering:

The clocks jumping time still don't make any sense.

The weird hand in the 1941 photo still doesn't make sense.

Aziraphale's chair position being moved still doesn't make sense.

The extras behaving strangely still doesn't make sense.

Crowley's car being in the wrong spot on the road after Shax threatens him still doesn't make any sense.

I'm not sure that the POV switches explains all the weird sounds -- Aziraphale turns to look at a crashing sound when he returns from Edinburgh, the very loud clock in the final fifteen BUT ALSO when Jim says he will go out to the demons.

I'm not sure that POV switches explain Crowley's sunglasses going from silver to black.

I still don't know why Aziraphale went to Edinburgh, or why he stopped at the graveyard where Gabriel's statue is.

Why does Michael do the "nothing's in the box" thing with the matchbox? It's a petty specific action. Someone pointed out that Michael's nails look chewed and terrible, are we meant to stare at the matchbox while something else goes unnoticed? Well, duh. But what?

We most certainly did not get the whole scene where the Metatron is talking to Aziraphale. What else was said?

What did Crowley do during his ALL-NIGHT JAUNT in Heaven? Did he sneak around and steal something? Did he uncover something? Did they hurt him?

What did Aziraphale do with his briefcase that he took to Edinburgh? We see it in the book shop from his POV, and Edinburgh is seen from Crowley's POV, so they both know it exists. And then it's gone.

Why does Gabriel prophecy with God's voice? IS it God's voice? It's a woman, is it Frances McDormand? It's hard to hear. When he remembers the beginning, I think it's God's voice. When he prophecies, it may be someone else. Frances McDorman has no credit in that episode.

Why the heck did Maggie and Nina go talk to Crowley while the Metatron was talking to Aziraphale? What they had to say wasn't important enough to leave Nina's shop during a rush, and I definitely don't think they derailed Crowley from what he needed to say to Aziraphale, though it might look at first as if they did. So what was that about?

When Shax stops Aziraphale for a ride, he says, "Oh, I really need to get to --" and then is cut off. He really needs to get to where? It's an easy assumption to think he means the book shop, or London. But is that all he means? Or was he on his way somewhere else? And if it was just the book shop, what does he mean he's late? Late for what?

Crowley can tell "something's wrong," and he doesn't just mean the demons. What?

When Crowley leaves Heaven, he tells Saraqael and Muriel to come, too. But in the elevator, Michael and Uriel are there! When the fuck did they show up??

Why does Beelzebub tell Shax to attack the bookstore? Aren't they worried about Gabriel being harmed? And they know Hell is understaffed. Maybe that's why they command it? Because they know Shax won't be able to get the demons?

What about the Masons? It's such a specific thing for the pub owner to bring up, what is the meaning of it? And Maggie has a Mason symbol on her necklace. Did the Masons carve the statue of Gabriel? When did they see him?

The only narration we hear in the entire season is Aziraphale in the Resurrectionist flashback. I believe this is to throw us off the POV character switches all season. But still, why do we only hear him narrate 1 flashback? I think he's reading the diary to himself in the present day. That would explain the end, "And that was the last I was to see of Crowley for some time." He JUST heard the story of the jukebox from Maggie. And Gabriel appearing -- same city that statue is in. Of course he thought of something important from that diary entry! Now, what did he notice?

Is the Book of Life a real threat? We hear two stories about it, that it's real and that its ability to erase beings was something to scare the cherubs with, this is inconclusive. Crowley gets nervous after Beelzebub talks to him, but I think he's pissed that Heaven and Hell have taken an interest in them again, especially since they're trying to hide Maggie!Jesus.

So many promo posters show Aziraphale, Crowley, and Jimbriel together, or symbols of them. Three feathers: two white, one black. Tea cup, cocoa mug, wine glass. The three of them. Not with Beelzebub, not with Muriel, the three of them. And all three of them have been Jesus-coded in some small way. No one else. Those three. What. Why. Are they the sacrifice required to bring about the new world? Why not Beez, then?

Wait. Two Crowleys?? WTF. There are two Crowley puppets in the magic shop. Am I insane? I have no theory here, just some wild speculation that needs a lot more time to simmer. Two actual Crowleys, or two ideas of Crowley? Or something to hurt my head?

An album on the wall in Maggie's shop says "Rat Keith." This seems to me to be an allusion to The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents, by Terry Pratchett. In the book, some men have tied several rats' tails together to create a rat king that keeps the wild rats under control -- except that the rat king has too much power and is doing way more than just that. People die. So who's been given too much power and is now running the show instead of being a puppet? The Metatron, perhaps? Hm . . .

WHAT is going on with that damn white head statue in Aziraphale's book shop? It's centered in more than one shot, as if it's a character. Is it a POV hint? I wonder, if it is, whose POV it represents?

A blog that I didn't reblog pointed out that the record Aziraphale is listening to when Garbriel shows up is neither Shostakovich nor 21 minutes long. That seems important, but I'm not sure how.

What the heck does Furfur mean by "little monkey in the waistcoat?" How does that sound like Crowley?

Why does Mrs. H say "for God's sake" two times in a row? No one says that on this show without a meaning.

I count at least three times that Crowley approaches Aziraphale and Aziraphale looks to his left, but Crowley is not on his left. In fact, Crowley is not on the left a LOT this season.

Shax notices Crowley going to Heaven and makes an epiphany face.

Why is the end credit music for the ball French cafe music? French must be important. And the end credit music for The Hitchhiker is old timey and scratchy, then skips and becomes the same song in a newer, clearer style. Because they repeat the bullet catch trick in the modern day, perhaps?

Repeating themes: (I am just realizing that these aren't just themes, they are all Clues!)

Beverages of all kinds -- tea for Aziraphale, wine or whiskey for Crowley, cocoa for Jim.

Time -- lots of clocks/mentions of time. Everyone notices the ticking clock during the Final Fifteen, but it's ticking loud when the demons attack the ball, too. Also, why is the first scene of Whickber street shown at high-speed? Is time sped up? Or something else?

Love/partnership/togetherness being stronger than separateness

Memories/forgetting/remembering

Payment -- money comes up in both the Resurrectionists minisode and the Flesh Eating Nazi Zombies minisode, but no one pays for anything in present. There is bartering, but no money. Actually, both times money is brought up, it's Crowley using Aziraphale's money. It's funny, but I feel like there's a point to it.

Rising from the dead -- Job's kids (even though they weren't actually dead), bodies used for science, Nazi zombies, the Second Coming. I think this is all just hinting around Jesus -- sure, hinting around Jesus, who we were expecting to show up in Season 3, but she's already here. The hints indicate that she is already on Earth, not going to show up next season. Ha!

Unreliable narrators. Because we are seeing the whole show from various characters' points of view. Because of that, we can only see what they know, expect, believe, or understand, but also what they want us to see. We need to take the whole second season with a grain of salt.

Death in general -- but 9a., I'm a dirty pagan, why didn't I make this connection sooner, death always leads to REBIRTH, change, something totally new and 9b. there are tarot cards in the magic shop, and even if you're not a dirty pagan, the Death tarot card means transition, something must die before a new thing can be born. Hmmmm.

Morality and what is "good" and what is right

Recognition and identity. Ah! Probably at least partly because Maggie is Jesus. How would you recognize her? She doesn't look like White Jesus, or even a more realistic Middle-Eastern or Black Jesus. She looks like Maggie. Who would know her? I think there's more to this theme, but Maggie as Jesus 2.0 adds up.

Licenses, permits, permissions, rules, proof, evidence, what's allowed. All of the minisodes mention this, and it all gets mentioned again over and over. Because Heaven and Hell do have rules they have to follow. Which drives home my theory that Gabriel stole some very incriminating records from Heaven when he left, Crowley got hold of them and gave them to Aziraphale during the kiss, and now Aziraphale is going to nail them.

Colors. Job's kids are dressed in the colors of Nina, Maggie, and Aziraphale's shops. Jesus on the Resurrectionist Pub sign is in blue and orange, blue and orange crop up a lot in extra's clothing, as do yellow and red, Crowley colors. The Ladies of Camelot are in orange and blue. Maggie's shop is orange, Nina's is blue.

Horses. Horse statue, horse wine label, people saying "dark horse." The four horsemen again?

Repeating words and phrases:

Technically

Properly

Isn't it just?

Too late

Funny old world

Not as such

Made for each other

EVERYWHERE

Obviously

Two shakes of a lamb's tail

Dark horse

What are you/am I? As opposed to WHO. Aziraphale asks in the Land of Uz, and Crowley asks Gabriel.

Hints:

Powell and Pressburg films

The Crow Road

Catch 22

The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents, Terry Pratchett in general

Jane Austin

Book Good Omens

Season 1 Good Omens

The titles of episodes, minisodes, places, etc. 7a. The Arrival: a book and a movie, though the book seems far more relevant. And lovely. The Clue: a movie. Companion to Owls: a line from a Bible story. I Know Where I'm Going: a movie. The Resurrectionists: two novels, each called The Resurrectionist, singular. Both look unhinged. The Hitchhiker: a Twilight Zone episode. Nazi Zombie Flesheaters: Literally no other reference. ?? Nazi Zombies do appear in a LOT of movies, comics, and video games, usually as a dark joke. The Ball: a video game. Irrelevant? It's a puzzle-based game, so maybe not. Every Day: a song AND a movie. Some themes repeat here: Puzzle games, being re-directed from one's path to find true love, death and being brought back to life in a gruesome and unpleasant way.

Objects that get a close-up/centering:

Starmaker's nebula book

Shostakovich record

Tomatoes

The box

The Bentley

Eccles cakes

The bell

Head statue

The book Jim drops

Jukebox

Gabgriel's statue

Laudanum bottle

Phones in Edinburgh episode

"Very closed" sign

Broken whiskey bottles in 1941

Furfur's camera

Bullet catch in the magic shop

Instruction booklet for bullet catch gets 3 close ups

Puppets

Dancer's silhouette

Mr. Fell sign

The actual bullet

Angelic beings book

Photo evidence

Shax's shoes

"Surrender the angle" brick

#good omens #good omens 2 #crowley #aziraphale #good omens meta #ineffable husbands #aziracrow #good omens analysis #good omens fan theory #ineffable mystery #good omens minisodes #good omens 1941 #good omens resurrectionists #good omens Job

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catwouthats · 9 months

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OK, but can I talk about how Good Omens 2 took the quote/verse “It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle that is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God” and just DESTROYED it?

Like that healed SO MUCH of my religious trauma

(Spoilers bellow)

The story of the resurrectionists where they’re digging up the bodies, and how her being poor made her do these terrible things… Aziraphale thought it was a good thing being poor, but here she was at the bottom doing “evil”. And then she lost the one thing she was living for, her friend, and so she needed money in order to enter the kingdom of heaven because the heaven she made with her friend was destroyed.

And then there’s the story of Job. He, for no reason, had everything taken away from him. And it almost destroyed his wife’s faith, and it almost destroyed him, and they were about to be really mad about not having their original children. They probably would’ve gone against heaven, but love is their heaven and love is where their family is so in the end they were happy.

And then with ineffable bureaucracy. They had the taste of the most powerful positions in all of heaven, Earth, and Hell. And they gave that up because their love was more than a heaven (or hell) to them. It’s because they tasted power that they realized it was meaningless compared to love.

And it’s only because of “evil” that any of them survived this long, they all broke and bent the rules (or had them broke/bent for them) because they realized that bending/breaking the rules was actually the least harmful outcome. And the most Heavenly (at least to them. And that’s all that matters.)

And when good tries to do good and evil tries to do evil, they both fail. As seen with Armageddon. As seen with the story of Job (how heaven almost let them kill). As seen with the naazi zombies.

Emotion and love wins in the end, for both season 1 and 2.

#I love Good Omens so much #the attention to detail #is just mwah #chef’s kiss #neil gaiman #is single handedly healing my religious trauma #thank you neil gaiman #good omens #good omens 2 #gos2 spoilers #gos2 #good omens the resurrectionists #good omens job #ineffable bureaucracy

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lookingatacupoftea · 4 months

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Two Versions of Job?

Nevermind -- the barn and the house are different and are burned separately. Thanks to everyone who is more visually acute than me!

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I was rewatching, working on a meta on a completely different topic, when I ended up revisiting Job and was struck by what seems to be a major discrepancy. Apologies if I’ve missed someone writing about this already!

When we enter the Job memory for the second time, we zoom in on Crowley in the bookshop and then on the image of Sitis in the book. Back in Uz, Crowley introduces himself as Bildad to Sitis in what appears to be the burnt-out house and asks after the “kids.” It is clear that he means children in this context because when Sitis is horrified and says “god wouldn’t … they’re innocent!” Crowley replies, “So were the goats.” As pointed out here by @snek-eyes, Crowley is pretty cold.

Then we seem to go back in time to the house, still standing, and Aziraphale is there. Crowley reveals the goat crows and burns the house down, the kids are turned into lizards, and Crowley and Arizaphale discover their food kink.

In the morning, we are back in what appears to be the same burnt-out house as before -- look at how similar it is! There are the same three doors, the same columns and the beams have fallen against the columns in the same way.

Crowley and Aziraphale and all the angels are there, and they pull off the magic trick that creates Job’s “new” children. Crowley is having tons of fun in his Bildad persona. When we leave this memory, Aziraphale is in the bookshop with Jim and Crowley has left.

So … this means that we have not only unreliable narrators (see @ineffable-obsession on the changing wigs), but potentially two dramatically different versions of Job?!?

Version 1: Crowley appears to be on his own and, while it’s unclear, it seems like maybe he will or already has done the job as ordered and killed Job’s children, which is the actual Biblical story. This may be Crowley’s memory, based on the camera focusing on him when we enter the memory.

Version 2: Crowley and Azirphale are together and they save the children. This seems to be Aziraphale’s memory because we’re with him when it ends.

Thoughts?

#good omens meta #good omens #good omens 2 #crowley #ineffable husbands #good omens job #ineffable mystery

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