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will wasn't crying for himself in ko no mono, he was crying for hannibal.

Just finished Mizumono. I am devastated. No. I am GUTTED. What the hell. I feel physically nauseous and I am having trouble processing what happened. My muscles are literally tensing for no reason other than what the fuck. And to think Mads filmed this on his birthday?? Screaming.

Anyways I'm sure people have already talked plenty about how Hannibal killed her exactly how GJH tried to. Knife to the throat. The. He. He's her father,,,,,,,,

Hi sorry if I'm bothering you, I just had a question? I noticed that in season three (the first part, with the Italian names) (Italian is my first language) the names are out of order. Like, S3E2 being called "Primavera" (Spring) aside, we have "Appetizers" "Second course" "Apéritif" "Side dish" "Sweets" and "Digestive". And that's not the usual order?

You usually have Apéritif late afternoon/early evening, then you sit at the dinner table and the courses are: Appetizers, Main Course (which is replaced by Spring, but I enjoy the allegory), Second Course with Sides, Sweets and lastly Digestive (or coffee lol).

So yeah I was wondering if you knew whether there was any reason for this change?

Again sorry to bother, also I love you blog. Thank you very much and have a nice day :)

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omg you aren’t bothering me at all this is a great question!

Let me start off by saying I do not know Italian, but I have some ideas as to the naming schematic.

“Apéritif” is the first episode of season one, and from what I looked up, an apéritif is an alcoholic drink used to stimulate the appetite. As it is the first episode of the show, it is meant to entice an audience to watch the rest of the show, so it makes sense that this episode is enticing the appetite of the viewer. Also, the first glimpse we get of Hannibal in this episode is him eating a meal, and as the titular character who has a particular appetite, we are kind of appealing to his appetite as well. And the first meeting he has with Will also indirectly stimulates his appetite and interest in Will as a person and his involvement with the GJH case and his decisions to intervene. Hannibal wanting to “see what would happen” is his appetite being stimulated. “Apéritif” is also a French word derived from Latin “aperire” which means “to open” which makes a lot of sense as it is the opening of the entire show.

The first episode of season 3, “Antipasto” makes sense as it is the first course of a meal, and thus the first episode of the season. “Secondo” I take to mean a second course, so pretty straight forward.

I wonder if “Apertivo” (aka appetizer) is next because we kind of go back in time a bit to Will being in the hospital and truly seeing how thing occurred, and not his hallucination with Abigail being alive. Like going back “before” the meal. We also see Will back in Hannibal’s kitchen, going back to where everything went down, but there is a peace there as if it was before it all happened. And Abigail is there, too. Granted, Will “knows” she is dead now, but it still feels like before when she was alive. Like Will is trying to take little pieces of life before, little bites of something more savory than the reality he is in. It is also before Will really confronts Hannibal again, seeing and talking to him directly. So maybe the use of “appetizer” is more of this episode and events in it happening before other things. The events of this episode happening before the “meal” episodes as it goes back in time a little bit.

While “Dolce” and “Digestivo” are in the “correct” order, I still want to talk about them. “Dolce” meaning sweet is so perfect because of the Uffizi Gallery scene, because it is so tender and perfect. And “Digestivo” is also perfect, because digestives are supposed to aid in digestion, and Hannibal was planning to eat Will. And not only could it be interpreted as literally helping the meal digest, but also the aftermath of having killed and eaten Will, having to digest the reality that not only is Will dead, but that Hannibal killed him. And that Will’s flesh is finite, and eventually there will be nothing left of him, and soon even the taste of him, the feel of him between his teeth, will be lost to Hannibal, nothing more than a memory.

I also found that bitter digestifs contain carminative herbs intended to aid in digestion. There are a lot of herbs that fall into this category, but two of them being parsley and thyme, which are herbs in the soup Hannibal spoon fed to Will while he was drugged prior to his head being cut open. Hannibal even says the soup is “more for my sake than yours,” after Will comments on how it isn’t very good. And I know that it technically happens in “Dolce” but the end of “Dolce” and beginning of “Digestivo” overlap and blur together a bit like they do. And in “Digestivo”, Will even comments on how he doesn’t have Hannibal’s “appetite”, thus tying it all in together a bit.

As a side note, I also love “Primavera” meaning spring, because this episode is another stage of Will’s becoming and his growth, shedding an old skin. We see a new perspective of what happened in “Mizumono”, and I think “Spring” is a very fitting title for this episode!

thank you for this ask and hope you have a nice day as well!!

More thoughts about the dynamic I talked about here:

It’s telling that the way Abigail engages with Hannibal re: Nick Boyle’s death is very different from the way she engages with Will about it (and by extension, that the way Hannibal engages with Will about GJH’s death is very different from how he engages with Abigail about Nick Boyle’s death).

That is to say, Hannibal’s initial, outward response to Abigail killing Nick Boyle is primarily disapproval - foregrounding what she’s most trying to conceal about herself, and positioning himself as a moral authority who’s making a considerable sacrifice to protect her:

Hannibal: This isn’t self-defense, Abigail. You butchered him. Abigail: I didn’t. Hannibal: They will see what you did. And they will see you as an accessory to the crimes of your father. Abigail: I wasn’t. Hannibal: I can help you, if you ask me to. At great risk to my career and my life. You have a choice. You can tell them you were defending yourself when you gutted this man. Or we can hide the body. (1.3)

Later, he changes tack and allows that Abigail did do the right thing and that self-defense is an excusable motive:

Abigail: You’re glad I killed him. Hannibal: What would be the alternative? That he kill you? (1.3)

And:

Abigail: In the dream, I wonder how I could live with myself, knowing what I did. Hannibal: And when you’re awake? Abigail: When I’m awake, I know I can live with myself. And I know I’ll just get used to what I did. Does that make me a sociopath? Hannibal: No. It makes you a survivor. (1.4)

This change in approach is partly by design, I think - his more condemnatory initial approach impresses on Abigail the worst possible interpretation of her actions (and hints at the fact that he can see through the front she’s putting up), in order to get her to trust him, and then gradually he starts to show qualified approval and emphasize her agency to move behind her father’s influence. And his emphasis on self-defense in their conversation at the end of Potage serves as a way of deflecting Abigail’s sharp inference that he might be a serial killer. But he consistently only approves of Abigail committing murder in utilitarian terms, rather than emphasizing any satisfaction Abigail might have gotten from it.

And the person who does validate that for her is, of course, Will, when they compare notes on killing her father vs. killing Nick Boyle:

Abigail: I thought there was something wrong with me, because I didn’t feel ugly when I killed Nick Boyle. I felt good. That’s why it was so easy to lie about it. Will: Like you didn’t do anything wrong. Abigail: Feel like you’d done something wrong when you killed my dad? Will: I felt terrified. And then… I felt powerful. Abigail: It felt good. To get to end it, to stop it all. (1.12)

They’re both nodding so vigorously by the end of that exchange, just fully understanding in that moment how the other is feeling. And significantly, Hannibal doesn’t set himself up as someone with whom she can unload those feelings on, or find that kind of understanding with! Obviously he doesn’t want to go mask-off about being a serial killer immediately, but he doesn’t even drop any hints with about the appeal of murder; and meanwhile with Will, where he’s got all his “it’s beautiful, in its own way” and “killing must feel good to God” and “not flesh and blood but light and air and colour” lines. Aside from his initial intimation that she had darker motives, his approach with Abigail is mostly affirming her best qualities, suggesting she’s not like her father and that she had no choice but to kill Nick Boyle. And Will ends up being the one to affirm Abigail’s darker qualities.

And, well - my sense of why Hannibal takes this approach is that he was hoping for exactly that. He wanted Abigail to go to Will with those feelings, to be drawn to Will because he offered a potential source of a specific kind of validation and understanding that she wasn’t getting from Hannibal - and thus, for Abigail to help draw out Will’s murderous impulses in turn. Just as he used the prospect of protecting Abigail to push Will’s sense of ethics a little bit farther out. They were both the bait, for each other.

Okay so we all know how much Hannibal (and Will) like to use the God imagery for themselves as killers. Everyone is always going on about the line Hannibal has about "Killing must feel good to God, too. He does it all the time. And are we not created in his image?" and there's all this talk about how Hannibal sees Will as his God and how God is all powerful and a murderer and everything.

BUT

I think people are really overlooking another line in this context.

When Will states to the academy students "Everyone has thought about killing someone, one way or another, be it at your hand or the hand of god." IT GIVES ME SUCH BIG THOUGHTS.

Because I know that by the end of that statement, what Will means is "you hope someone dies whether you do it or it's some random accident or happenstance of fate/destiny" but something about the way he said it just kicks at my brain because I feel like he's saying "you hope someone dies, whether you physically do it yourself or you will it into existence as the responsibility or action of another higher being".

AND THAT'S WHAT GETS ME! Will doesn't know yet that Hannibal thinks of him as a God, as all powerful, as one of the most righteous killers that could ever be (with the right push). But by phrasing it the way he did, Will is not just talking about himself, but he's unknowingly also talking about Hannibal. If you won't do something by your own hand, manipulate the gods into doing it, right?

For Hannibal the two parts of the statement are different: killing by his own hand is his own acts as the Chesapeake Ripper, the Copycat, Il Monstro, and/or whoever else he might've been when he killed people, whereas killing someone through the hand of God is what Will does, because Hannibal has created a world where he can manipulate God as he sees and worships him.

Yes, Hannibal sent Will in the direction of Garrett Jacob Hobbs and Randall Tier when he could've handled them himself, but that was not his design for the two of them. Hannibal's design for GJH and Randall were to kill them through the hand of God.

Idk if this all makes sense but I was having feelings and thoughts about gods being malleable and victim to manipulation and specifically of Will in that role through Hannibal's devotion.

Hi I wanted to know your take on the Will and Abigail dynamic? I know Hannibal nurtured that paternal feeling in Will, but Will never truly knew her. He had this version of her in his head that he could control, how she reacted to him etc but barely talked to her irl. yet I feel like their relationship is exaggerated when people discuss it or portray it in fics. Will too, in a way, saying how he still dreams about her, that he’s teaching her how to fish. Why do you think Will holds on to the ideal? bc if Abigail had lived, she wouldn’t live up to this image he created. She’s flawed and actually more like Hannibal than Will. Sorry for the rambling but it’s interesting to dissect!

okay, so here's the thing for me.

Will had a version of her in his head, certainly, but between him and Hannibal, Will was NOT the one using Abigail as a tool. Hannibal did definitely care about her, we know that for a fact, but she was still a tool for him to use. Will was coping to hell and back, but fantasizing about fatherhood is different from straight up using her to tie him closer to someone else like Hannibal did.

Will didn't get to interact with her much because the opportunity was taken from him. granted, he felt exceptionally betrayed when he realized what she had done and contributed to, but he didn't want her dead. the next time he sees her is Mizumono, and that's where he discovers that Hannibal's plan this whole time has still been to essentially craft this little family with him, to start back from what they had before. a family Will never got to fully engage with unless Hannibal sewed the seeds for it, only for the opportunity to be taken from him. twice.

i feel like people's exaggeration of their relationship is a two way street, honestly: some people exaggerate the bond they had, while others exaggerate the lack thereof.

i also like to try to turn people's attention to the fact that Abigail was shocked when Hannibal gutted Will. not just because of the act itself, but because Hannibal had been allowing Abigail to expect that the three were going to leave together. Abigail fully expected this little family to come into fruition, because Hannibal invited her in on his plans for it, seeing as she had literally no one else to turn to. that doesn't necessarily mean that Abigail was going to somehow love Will like a father, but she did anticipate some kind of family dynamic, just like Hannibal had allowed Will to anticipate back in season 1.

while Will and Abigail both certainly have agency in what happened, i feel like people have a tendency to put the blame for their messy dynamic on Will instead of on the one who filled both Will and Abigail's heads with the idea that they would be a family. Hannibal is the one who named Will's feeling as "paternal", and he fed that as much as he could.

not to mention, Abigail is plenty capable of manipulating those around her. she knew exactly what she did, and she knew what she had enjoyed doing. she allowed everyone to believe she was the perfect victim, because it was saving herself to do so.

there's a lot more to say about the concept of Abigail having believed Will to be more like GJH when Hannibal was more like him, but i don't want to just end up rambling more than i already have LOL. i just believe that if the murder family became a thing, Abigail would probably end up manipulating the shit out of Will by feeding into his paternal feelings because it would save her, much like she did with GJH, and much like she did even with Hannibal. only, with Hannibal, nothing could save her.

really petty complaint here (I say knowing that is my MO), but it really bugs me that in season 1 of Hannibal, everyone talks about GJH’s victims looking like Abigail, with the same hair and eye color, same age, etc. and then you meet Abigail and she’s got these big blue eyes…yet all the victims have brown eyes?? some very poor planning on the casting/screenwriting there.

In today’s episode of “Stuff I Only Noticed Going Through The Show Shot-by-Shot“

In s1e4, when Will is talking about feeling synced with GJH, Hannibal asks how Will felt when he saw Marissa Shule (Hannibal’s kill in the antler room). Will says he felt guilty because he felt like he’d killed her.

Will goes on to talk about feeling like they were synced, like they were eating or showering or sleeping at the same time every day.

The flashbacks to GJH imply that he’s referring to feeling synced with GJH, but at no point in the dialogue did they switch back from talking about Hannibal’s kill. And Will knows Marissa wasn’t killed by GJH. He thinks about seeing Marissa on the antlers, then talks about feeling synced with the killer with an expression of furtive pleasure, even pride.

Hannibal asks, “Even after he was dead?” and the ambiguity is broken, but it’s interesting that even so early in their relationship, Will was subconsciously sensing the blurring of self with Hannibal.

will: i wasn’t forced back into the field

hannibal: manipulated would be the word i’d choose

this is one of those funny little bits of dialogue where you have to keep in mind that hannibal is always talking in double meaning. even though they’re talking about jack wanting will in the field, it was really hannibal that manipulated him into it by warning gjh and thus putting will into a deadly force encounter, landing him the commendation and the return to active duty. if only will had known to ask “manipulated by who?” if only.... 

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hhrrhrhrhrhr i need to talk about this stupid hannibal fic i'm writing so bad but to no avail WRAH pls it's got funny assassin plot and silly masquerade plot and abigail is alive in it but Will also ate GJH PLEASE IM A STARRR hear me out hear me OUT

I’m rewatching the show for the 473858393929th time and I don’t have anyone to soundboard off of so I pose you this question: When do you think was the first time in the show that Hannibal understands that he has real feelings for Will? I’m at the end of season 1 and I feel like it hasn’t quite hit him yet but there are inklings.

On the other end of the question, when do you think is the first time Will understands his feelings for Hannibal? It’s very obvious that it’s always there but like….when in between seasons one and the last episode of season two does it really happen in your eyes?

I think Hannibal seeing Will in "Aperitif" is the closest to love at first sight that I have seen. As far as him realizing/accepting his love for Will, I would say that happens in "Fromage". Hannibal is very much a "fuck around and find out" at someone else's expense. He sent Will to a known serial killer. He probably assumed a GJH 2.0 would happen, and that Will would come back needing more therapy/comfort from another fatal encounter.

But when Budge showed up at his office alive, there is a noticeable panic on Hannibal's face. He had no way of knowing that Will was accompanied by two officers, so when Tobias says he killed two officers, Hannibal's first thought is that Will is dead. And that hurts. More than he anticipated. He has killed plenty of people, but hasn't felt this level of loss and sadness in a long time.

When the ordeal is over, his expression and heart nearly shatters when seeing Jack come in, eyes begging that Will would follow. For a few seconds, his fear that Will was actually gone encompassed him. He visibly relaxes upon seeing Will actually alive. Hannibal saying "I was worried you were dead" was genuine; he really thought Will was killed and he was hurt.

That love continues to develop, making Will's betrayal that much more painful in Mizumono. Hannibal loved Will, and opened himself up to him, something he had never truly done with someone else. Yes, Hannibal framed Will for his crimes and sent him to prison in his stead, but that doesn't mean Hannibal didn't love Will. But Hannibal is very "preserve self at all costs". I think it is something he regretted, but also something he believed had to be done. Going to prison was not an option for him, and he knew Will would survive. Even the way Hannibal commits violence against Will is distinctly different than how he commits it against others, because he does truly loves Will.

Will's situation is a lot more complicated. I think in the back of his mind, deep down, he loves Hannibal somewhere in season 2. He cares for Hannibal, which is why he told Hannibal to run, why he still went to Hannibal's house, why he leaned into the knife and let himself be hurt and held. But I don't think he really acknowledged that love, not until s3. He called Hannibal his "friend" to Jack, which is true. He did consider Hannibal his friend, but it was so much more than that, too much for words, and not something he would want to admit to Jack. (hi, sorry boss, i love the cannibal teehee <3)

He forgives Hannibal in the catacombs, and I do believe that to be a genuine forgiveness. He even tells Hannibal they are blurred, and he isn't sure they could survive separation. That is a pretty roundabout way of saying "I love you". However, I think Will may not want to love Hannibal in that moment. Will makes an attempt on Hannibal's life, and I think Will associates love with violence. If he killed Hannibal, it wouldn't be out of malice, but a desperate attempt to free himself from Hannibal. Perhaps even to fulfill the promise of intimately killing him with his hands (knife is cheating, but shh). And the violence+love connection is perpetuated when Hannibal saws his head open to eat him, because to cannibalize is to love. Hannibal was planning to kill and eat Will even before he knew Will was planning to kill him, because that is how he knew how to love (apparently talking about your feelings isn't a possibility lol).

But still.... I don't think Will really acknowledges his love for Hannibal until near the end of the show. Because I think part of accepting his love for Hannibal is realizing Hannibal loves him, too. And once Will understood Hannibal loved him, his own love for Hannibal burst forth, unable to be contained.

And once Will realizes this, he gives Hannibal the best thing he can, given the circumstance. He pulls them both off the cliff, to be together, unified, into death or into the next life. Truly blurred and beautiful.

like I know it's a show about cannibalism but I will never get over the poetic and narrative genius of portraying love as the highest form of hunger in hannibal

(thinks about how hannibal manipulated and tormented abigail)

me: geez ok i’m worked up now

(thinks about how GJH manipulated and tormented abigail)

me: