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"you have three reasons for calling me:
you're bored (nothing is happening)
you need to tell someone about something clever you did (something good is happening)
something's wrong (something bad is happening)"
ok so all the time. all the time then. you're telling me he calls crowley All the time. what you're saying and what i am hearing is that they call all the time
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#like... all the time? every occasion ever? is what you are telling me#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#good omens meta
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"we need more nuanced and complex characters" y'all can't even handle the possibility that aziraphale chose to go back to heaven freely
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#he was literally making in-character decisions#if this turns out to not happen in season 3 and he actually was poisoned or manipulated thennnnn neil is wrong#sorry#just realised i spelled possibility wrong#good omens#good omens season 2#aziraphale
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listen that good omens lockdown phone call is literally WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING everything they tell each other goes in one ear and straight out the other it's kind of incredible
aziraphale hints so many times that crowley could come over if he wanted and does crowley get the hint? no! and then afterwards crowley says outright that he could visit him, and does aziraphale accept? NO! I AM GOING TO THROTTLE THE LIFE OUT OF THEM WITH MY BARE HANDS
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#this is part of the reason why i don't think the lie theory is real#they're just that stupid#also az genuinely believes he's doing what's right and i think for him to figure out his shit is a good character arc for him#instead of him just being manipulated by metatron#although he still is a little sinister i'm ngl#good omens#good omens lockdown#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#good omens meta
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what hurts about angel crowley is not even just that he used to be an angel. it's the fact that in that one scene, even though it's just him and aziraphale, you can tell that he's so different from the rest of them.
aziraphale is very obviously wary, cautious and maybe even a little standoffish, and he's so concerned about breaking heaven's rules. crowley on the other hand is so innocent and excited the whole time and he's not afraid of anything, and he doesn't see the harm in being inquisitive, rightfully so.
and also, aziraphale at that point in time, and i assume all the other angels as well, are in that small little box where they think everything that they make has to have a purpose to advance heaven's plan: when crowley makes the stars aziraphale is like "okay... but what's it for though?" but why does it have to be for anything? crowley made them because he genuinely loves them, because it brings him joy, because he sees the beauty in things.
it's exactly these things that set him apart from the other angels that caused him to fall. and they're such human traits too. the curiosity, the passion, the want to create things just because they can be created. anyway that's what hurts thanks for coming
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#don't talk to me ever again#also all my meta posts sound like i'm dunking on aziraphale so hard but i promise that is not the case#this IS a flaw of his though but that is exactly what will contribute to his character arc.#finally seeing how these harmless and maybe even desirable traits that heaven looks down on IS the problem#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#angel crowley#good omens meta
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instead of taking the fact that they only showed certain parts of the metatron and aziraphale talking to mean that aziraphale is omitting information. consider that those scenes are there instead to support what aziraphale is saying and prove that he's telling the truth. u feel me
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#like. THE pivotal setting in the final fifteen is the bookshop. so why not take all the scenes in the bookshop to be the Main Scenes#the metatron scenes are just there as supporting evidence. maybe. perhaps#i could be wrong. fuck if i know#the lie theory might actually be getting to me#but i feel like i haven't seen this interpretation of those scenes yet which is crazy#nothing wrong with seeing both sides like chanel#because then either way you're only half wrong#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#THIS IS A QUEUED POST. i am asleep
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at first i thought it was kinda funny in a way that crowley's wings got darker when he learned that they would be shutting everything down so soon since they can literally choose their wing colours. like it was a "ok i'm emo now. i hate you mom" sort of situation
and THEN i thought about the juxtaposition between black and the colours of the stars he created. of those colours he put into the dark universe to make it not so dark anymore. there not being even a trace of black on their clothes or the items they use to create. the whiteness of heaven. and i was like oh :)
because. because his wings getting darker is an unconscious separation from everything that he has identified with and been surrounded by in the past few billion years. the colour is an unfamiliarity that he starts to relate to for the first time. when he experiences, for the first time, things being ripped away from him, and that loss of faith is potent enough to physically manifest in his wings
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#like i know we all have been seeing the darkening wings as a loss of faith or whatever but like. colours. the significance of colours#and it's not even about white = purity. it's the familiarity of the colour and the brightness of everything that crowley has known#and has been drawn to and has created#and the loss of faith is a loss of faith in EVERYTHING. everything he knows#CAN ANYONE HEAR ME#anyway. it's fine#you know i'm going through it when i start thinking about angel crowley again#good omens#good omens season 2#crowley#angel crowley#the starmaker#good omens meta
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no you don't understand. *crying my eyes out* *visibly shaking* You Don't Understand you don't understand because for me THIS is one of the most heartbreaking parts of that whole scene:
i would like to clarify that this is not an aziraphale hate post But. the thing is. with the whole discussion about aziraphale leaving for heaven and crowley choosing not to follow, it's all very subjective, right? like both sides had their reasons, both left devastated and reasonably so.
but this scene right here, the absolutely heartbroken look on his face RIGHT HERE is so undeniable, and it's a product of centuries of aziraphale NOT LETTING HIM SPEAK. which is really funny for all that talk about how crowley goes too fast and wants to get everything done immediately, aziraphale is always the one interrupting him and dragging crowley along everywhere.
and for the past 6000 years crowley has been okay with this, but this is the point where him being able to say his piece really matters to him but he can't. even when he emphasises how important it is, that if he doesn't say it now he probably won't say it again, aziraphale is too preoccupied with what he wants to say that he completely disregards this. and you can see the effect that the years and years of them not listening to each other finally has on crowley.
his "really?" is like him saying "you're seriously going to ignore what i said even though i've told you how much this matters to me?" and it's worse because what matters to crowley is literally aziraphale. now i don't know how his mind works but if i (Overthinker) were in his position i would be like oh... what if this means i don't matter to him as much as he does to me? and then RIGHT AFTER THIS aziraphale insinuates that crowley would be happier as, or would want to be an angel again. not considering everything that has happened to him. it makes me so so freaking sad y'all
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#neil gaiman#good omens meta
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damn we really don't think enough about the major world events that crowley and aziraphale have witnessed on both ends. all the horrible things like wars, discrimination, natural disasters, genocide, etc. yes but also all the good: liberation, major political reforms, the invention of new genres and materials and technology and fields of study.
like oh my god. they were there for all the centuries that women had no rights at all and then they got to witness the suffragettes, the women writers and royals and inventors and activists. they got to witness the overturning of anti-lgbtq and racial segregation laws and the celebration of human rights and identities. they were there to witness international tragedies but also the solidarity from everyone all over the world rallying for peace for people they don't even know. they got to see humans create new forms of art and fashion and the printing press and electricity and poetry and and and coloured television and music and they got to see humans constantly find new ways to find connection and love and fun and passion and their own forms of expression.
like imagine being there for everything. how could you not love the world after seeing the fall and rise of humanity over and over again in every way shape and form for six thousand years. holy shit
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#and they didn't just witness all this they got to KNOW people from all these times. shakespeare and da vinci and jane austen#and just random people on the street or working as doctors or baristas or shopkeepers like how many STORIES have they heard#imagine knowing intimately how the world has existed from the beginning of time#I'M FINE#it's just#like do you get it. do you get it#it's so incomprehensible#it's like in their heads is an incredibly massive and infinite history book with thousands of personal experiences and forgotten dynasties#like is this blowing anyone else's mind rn#i don't think this post is even about good omens anymore#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#good omens meta
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rewatched s2 as one does and you know what... the metatron is so unfazed when saraqael announces that she can't find gabriel. he just immediately says "you're all just going to have to find him, that's all" as if he was expecting and also wanting it to happen that way. also as the literal voice of god wouldn't he know that gabriel doesn't have an office? thoughts are being thought
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#he's sooo freaking suspicious and it would make sense if he planned everything but the thing is i don't get why#or how he would have made sure that it all went the way he wanted#good omens#good omens season 2#the metatron#good omens meta
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honestly obsessed with what neil gaiman did with beelzebub and gabriel, because if we look at crowley and aziraphale, we've established that crowley is not nearly evil enough for hell or good enough for heaven etc etc. and aziraphale through the years has also rebelled against heaven multiple times.
someone could argue that crowley and aziraphale's relationship only came about because they weren't enough of either heaven or hell to be completely removed from things like love, or really anything that doesn't advance their respective sides' causes.
but the addition of beelzebub and gabriel destroys that notion completely; they prove that all angels and demons have that capacity. the fact that even The Ruler Of Hell and The Supreme Archangel could fall in love.... and it happened so quickly too, all because they met up a few times. it really shows that if all these demons and angels just got out and touched grass a little they really wouldn't be as black and white as they seem to be. and this isn't just about love and romance but about EVERYTHING, their supposedly innate good and evil characteristics.
(also evidenced by how adam was the literal antichrist, but because he grew up with a good family and friends in a town he loved, even what he was born to be couldn't prevent him from doing good in the end.)
anyway the POTENTIAL...... when crowley and aziraphale dismantle the institutions of heaven and hell or whatever in season 3 and there's peace between all angels and demons, it's going to be so fun
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#gabriel#beelzebub#good omens meta
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okay so i don't usually write final fifteen metas (anymore, at least) but i feel like i have to say this. wrote this really quick so it might not be all that coherent
with the final fifteen, the problem really isn't as much about miscommunication as it is a complete difference in beliefs. yes, there is and has been miscommunication for 6000 years, but some people focus on this way too much -- even if there hadn't been any, it would likely have ended the same way, with aziraphale going back to heaven and crowley staying. their miscommunication is a longstanding problem that they have to fix, but this difference in beliefs is the main problem of the final fifteen in particular. i don't think i really have to explain this, so i'll focus on the miscommunication aspect.
sure, i have my own gripes about the whole "hold that thought" situation. but when we look at just the miscommunication ('miscommunication'), the words themselves that were said, i don't think it's right to blame one of them more than the other for it.
i saw someone say that crowley didn't say things in a way that aziraphale would understand. personally, i don't see how "when heaven ends all life on earth, it would be just as dead as if hell ended it" and "we don't need heaven, we don't need hell, they're toxic" could have been said any clearer. sure, an elaboration could have gotten it into aziraphale's head maybe, but both of them had been through the same thing. crowley's statements were based on their shared experiences of armageddon and then gabriel. they were objectively clear, and i don't think the onus is necessarily on him to formulate them in a way that one specific person would understand. effective communication means meeting in the middle.
aziraphale is slightly less clear with this main purpose of going back to heaven here imo, and i have written a meta about all the different reasonings he goes through (i don't necessarily agree with the overall point of that meta anymore but the main idea is there). but at the same time, "i can make a difference" "i'll run it, you can be my second in command"... it's very obvious what he's trying to say. even the things that aren't objectively true or not what crowley wants to hear -- "[heaven is] the side of truth, of light, of good" etc. -- this isn't miscommunication. it's a very clear expression of his beliefs.
honestly the only true miscommunication that happened in this exchange was the "you can't leave this bookshop" "nothing lasts forever" shit. and even that is secondary to everything else that was said.
yeah their conversation could have been laid out, explained, elaborated, et cetera. the ideal scenario would be that this happens and they figure out a compromise, a better plan to work together to take heaven down or whatever. but this is an ideal that they have not reached (which is why i think this is good for them, honestly. the best way to change a mindset is through experience). and at the same time, you can't blame them for not being this ideal, especially in this moment, when both of them had just received big revelations after going through yet another insane experience.
tldr: final fifteen is much less about miscommunication than it is about a fundamental difference in beliefs
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#good omens#good omens season 2#final fifteen#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#good omens meta
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worth noting that when crowley does the apology dance it's not really because he thinks he's wrong, it's because he just got called to hell and realised how dangerous the whole situation actually was. and the only way to get back into aziraphale's good graces to protect him was to say he was wrong
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#literally alarm bells in his head the whole time#they were both in danger as far as he knew and if doing a stupid apology dance was what it took to be close to aziraphale then so be it#and in fact by doing this he is showing that aziraphale was the complete OPPOSITE of right by taking gabriel in#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#good omens meta
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okay i've had this theory stuck in my head for the past few days and i don't even think it's true but it would not leave my mind so i made it. here it is. does it make even the slightest bit of sense
if anyone knows how to ID this..... help
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#no but do y'all get it tho. like do you get it#you see because if they really wanted to have a War they could have wanted to have equal power on both sides#so it's predetermined that exactly half would fall#and it would be a spectrum so the bottom 50% of the angels in terms of Goodness would be cast out#doesn't matter even if they're still actually good#would this theory hold up in canon? no probably not#but i've been thinking about this exact graph for DAYS and so i had to make it#this might be the funniest and dumbest thing i've ever done#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#demon crowley#fallen angels#good omens meta
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okay but don't yall think it's interesting that during That Talk aziraphale doesn't even mention him being able to make a difference in heaven until like... a lot later?
the very first thing he says to crowley is "you can be an angel. you can be with me." it's only after crowley shows his disapproval that aziraphale switches to "i can make a difference" "WE can make a difference". i wonder if that's him trying to pander to crowley's interests:
1. himself: you can be the angel you once were. you can go back to heaven.
2. humans: oh, you don't want to be an angel? okay, but you could do good and protect everyone. even if you don't want to be an angel with me, even if you can't do it for yourself, do it for humanity.
3. and then, at the end, "i need you". if you can't do it for humanity, then do it for me.
if we see it like this imagine how aziraphale felt when crowley rejected all these things that aziraphale knew he loved
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#good omens theory#good omens meta
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The Alternate Coffee Theory
okay i've been thinking about this a lot. like an unhealthy amount. so: the coffee that the metatron buys for aziraphale is obviously significant. however.
i'm starting to think that its significance really doesn't have that much of a role to play in season 3's plot as we might think, or as the coffee theory might suggest. it might honestly just be important because of all that it symbolises in the last episode, aka earthly desires and by extension, the metatron's hatred of humans and crowley. hear me out
Give Me Coffee or Give Me Death, aka The Metatron Hates Humanity
when i tell y'all i genuinely even tried abbreviating Large Oat Milk Latte With A Dash Of Almond Syrup in case there was some subliminal hidden message in that order... yeah that didn't work out. but honestly i think the main thing to take away from this scene is that the metatron hates humans.
the metatron (so demeaningly): your establishment. i assume they always ask for coffee (eye roll) (deep sigh) (dripping with sarcasm)
nina: no one ever asks for death no :)
the metatron (mockingly): no i don't suppose they doooooo. sooo predictable
the metatron does not mention anything about the world or humans when he's talking to aziraphale (at least not what is shown to us, but if he didn't at all then it's very interesting that aziraphale didn't pick up on that, but that's a whole separate thing).
what this scene with the coffee mostly does is establish the metatron as The Antagonist of season 3. yeah, it's already hinted by the second coming bomb drop, but this solidifies it: he thinks of himself as superior to humans, he genuinely does not care what happens to them. and it'll be harder to change his mind (which aziraphale will undoubtedly try to) because of this.
"Where Would I Get My Coffee?" aka Aziraphale Exposing His Priorities, aka The Metatron Hates Crowley
this is where i think the coffee is REALLY important. it draws out some interesting conversations between the metatron and aziraphale that go exactly how the metatron intended. and also, while the previous scene shows how he hates humans, everything from that point on shows that he hates crowley.
"shall i?" "drink it? of course. i've ingested things in my time."
this has definitely been said before but to reiterate, the metatron is trying to appeal to aziraphale here with human things, which is funny considering we've established that he hates humans. i think from this point onwards, the metatron is trying to parse out just how attached aziraphale is to humanity.
you can kind of see his intent when aziraphale says the coffee is very nice and he replies "yes, i should jolly well hope so". when i first heard that i was all ???? why the hell did he say it like that? but i think it's him confirming that yes, aziraphale partakes in earthly pleasures. maybe there's something to be said here about gluttony being a sin? no idea. so yes, aziraphale loves the world. but then:
2. "where would i get my coffee?"
now THIS is interesting. because aziraphale says "no, i don't want to go to heaven. where would i get my coffee?" and the metatron doesn't say anything like "as archangel you can go wherever you want. you can come back to earth and drink coffee. you can manifest coffee in heaven."
NO. he says "you can have crowley with you". it's a very pointed segue. and if we take it that we are shown all the important parts of the conversation, that means that aziraphale accepts the offer pretty much right after learning that he can be with crowley.
so in the previous point, in the bookshop, the metatron confirms that aziraphale loves and knows humanity. now here, he confirms (this is what he thinks, at least) that aziraphale loves humanity, and he loves crowley more. and to him, this is A Major Problem.
The Offer, aka The Metatron's True Intentions
okay, now let's talk about the metatron's offer to 1. make aziraphale an archangel, and 2. make crowley an angel too.
yes, the second coming is the metatron's major goal. yes, he wants aziraphale to help. but not in the way he thinks: he wants aziraphale to help by getting out of the way. this means that the offer to make crowley an angel again was genuine, because no matter which way it goes, him and heaven benefit from this.
aziraphale and crowley, together, loving humanity, is literally all that stands between heaven and The Ineffable Plan, because that was the case for Armageddidn't. if the metatron gets both of them to go to heaven, fantastic! the troublemakers removed willingly from humanity and doing good (aka advancing the plan).
if crowley refuses to go with aziraphale, fantastic! he knows how much aziraphale relies on crowley. he thinks they're weaker when they're not together. by separating him from all that he loves and directing his attention elsewhere, that's when they can really start doing things.
Coffee Recap and What This Means For Season 3
ok so. tldr. the coffee was placed in the show for symbolic reasons, to set up all these scenes and conversations and show the metatron's true intentions. maybe the coffee even represents aziraphale's attachment to things that are decidedly not heaven, but are in fact heaven's rejects. heaven's fallen. the metatron has decided to make that his problem.
now maybe they really will brainwash aziraphale in heaven, or refuse to let him go back to earth or communicate with crowley in any way. but that doesn't take away from the fact that aziraphale went up there for what he genuinely believes is right, and that is what matters to me, honestly.
but this makes the metatron a lot more sinister than i originally thought. he's very smart; that offer he made wasn't an offer at all, because either way it went would have benefited him. and the fact that he's thought this through means that this is definitely not the end. crowley is probably in danger. aziraphale will be put under a lot of control that would be hard to break free of.
i don't think there's a possibility of them changing the metatron's mind, but i might be wrong. i do think that the season will end with humanity saved and heaven becoming a better place, maybe a joint partnership with hell, but whether they defeat the metatron or somehow make the whole of heaven and hell see sense is past me.
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#watch me be completely and utterly wrong#but i do think it's slightly more plausible than the coffee theory at least#it's 3am#good omens#good omens season 2#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#the metatron#the coffee theory#good omens theory#neil gaiman#good omens meta
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the good omens opening credits coffee cup
okay i don't know what kind of grip this show has on me but here's what i got from the opening sequence with regards to the stupid coffee cup.
at first i thought the coffee could represent humanity as per my alternate coffee theory, and it would explain why the cup is following along with the whole crowd. but then i realised that the coffee cup only appears after the coffee shop first comes into view here. if i'm not wrong, it isn't in any of the shots before this.
so then i thought, it kind of makes sense if the coffee cup, at least in the opening credits, represents the metatron. it only appears from here onwards, and it's also consistently at the front of the crowd with the higher order angels and demons.
and this might be a season three spoiler because at the very end, when they're ascending the ramp to ??? heaven??? the second end of the world??? the coffee cup starts to fall behind and then disappear completely.
i don't know if it was just a coincidence and i am just reading far too much into this because i am insane, but maybe the metatron becomes human or is cast out of heaven completely, because the coffee cup simply never makes it there (beelzebub vanishes too, curiously). or you know, he dies, which is also plausible and welcome
#fearandhatred#fearandmeta#felt like a mad scientist writing this#i hope the metatron isn't actually in the opening credits as a person because that discredits this entire post#i'm going crazy#good omens#good omens season 2#the coffee theory#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#crowley#aziraphale#the metatron#good omens meta
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